https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:How_to_verify_data&feed=atom&action=historyHelp talk:How to verify data - Revision history2024-03-29T09:29:31ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.6https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:How_to_verify_data&diff=154252&oldid=prevDESiegel60: /* Why not verify when submitting information? */ reasons old and new2009-06-16T22:07:14Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Why not verify when submitting information?: </span> reasons old and new</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I saw the update to this page and wondered, why not verify first as you submit? The warning is actually a big clue to me that the submitter 'has' a copy in hand and isn't working (only) from secondary sources. The provided explanation that the moderator may approve your edit and then change it, well If anyone changes a verified record, then the verifier should be notified. The further explanation that your edit may be rejected is also misleading, because you will again get notification of the rejection on your talk page. Does anyone feel strongly about the instruction 'Wait to Verify'? I know it was annoying when I was entering items in hand, and as a moderator, I feel much more comfortable approving an edit submitted by the already flagged verifier. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 22:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I saw the update to this page and wondered, why not verify first as you submit? The warning is actually a big clue to me that the submitter 'has' a copy in hand and isn't working (only) from secondary sources. The provided explanation that the moderator may approve your edit and then change it, well If anyone changes a verified record, then the verifier should be notified. The further explanation that your edit may be rejected is also misleading, because you will again get notification of the rejection on your talk page. Does anyone feel strongly about the instruction 'Wait to Verify'? I know it was annoying when I was entering items in hand, and as a moderator, I feel much more comfortable approving an edit submitted by the already flagged verifier. [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 22:00, 16 June 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:How_to_verify_data&diff=154246&oldid=prevKpulliam: /* Why not verify when submitting information? */ new section2009-06-16T22:00:07Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Why not verify when submitting information?: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Kpulliamhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:How_to_verify_data&diff=117530&oldid=prevMarc Kupper: Unprotected "Help talk:How to verify data"2008-04-14T07:23:23Z<p>Unprotected "<a href="/wiki/index.php/Help_talk:How_to_verify_data" title="Help talk:How to verify data">Help talk:How to verify data</a>"</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*I would put the following section into this page before the '''Verification Rules''' section, were it not locked. Pretty much all of this is adapted from [[ISFDB:Help desk#Change and verify?]]. I request a moderator/admin to review this change and insert it if it seems a good idea. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*I would put the following section into this page before the '''Verification Rules''' section, were it not locked. Pretty much all of this is adapted from [[ISFDB:Help desk#Change and verify?]]. I request a moderator/admin to review this change and insert it if it seems a good idea. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:How_to_verify_data&diff=109324&oldid=prevDESiegel60: edit made to help page2008-01-29T21:58:10Z<p>edit made to help page</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I would put the following section into this page before the '''Verification Rules''' section, were it not locked. Pretty much all of this is adapted from [[ISFDB:Help desk#Change and verify?]]. I request a moderator/admin to review this change and insert it if it seems a good idea. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">*</ins>I would put the following section into this page before the '''Verification Rules''' section, were it not locked. Pretty much all of this is adapted from [[ISFDB:Help desk#Change and verify?]]. I request a moderator/admin to review this change and insert it if it seems a good idea. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">== Primary Verification ==</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">*Now </ins>that the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">help </ins>page is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">unprotected</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">i have inserted my suggested text into </ins>the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">page</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">If anyone thinks </ins>that <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">it needs further change</ins>, the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">matter </ins>can <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">be discussed here</ins>, before or <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">after such further </ins>change is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">made </ins>to the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">help page</ins>. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">-[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 15:58</ins>, <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">29 Jan 2008 </ins>(<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">CST</ins>)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">**Additional reasons for not verifying changes that have not yet been approved: If a moderator rejects a </del>change<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, or accepts but adjusts an edit, it's '''YOUR''' name there on the verification and '''YOU''' will get questions. Adding data </del>is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">usually fine. Correcting data - well, be careful about contents, you're working on every entry for that title we have, NOT just the entry in the work in front of you. We all got caught out with that at least once, and the workaround (Add new title, remove old title, merge new title if necessary) does mean a bit of a wait for approvals at times.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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</table>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:How_to_verify_data&diff=109323&oldid=prevDESiegel60: /* Primary (Transient) Verification */ other use2008-01-26T00:29:34Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Primary (Transient) Verification: </span> other use</span></p>
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</table>DESiegel60https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:How_to_verify_data&diff=108955&oldid=prevDESiegel60: /* Primary Verification */ Primary (Transient) Verification2008-01-25T21:48:20Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Primary Verification: </span> Primary (Transient) Verification</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*It is a matter of courtesy to inform the verifier of changes you make to their verified pubs and it is strongly encouraged that you notify them first if the change is particularly significant.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*It is a matter of courtesy to inform the verifier of changes you make to their verified pubs and it is strongly encouraged that you notify them first if the change is particularly significant.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Please feel free to verify any pub that you have in hand and from which you are entering information, whether that pub record was previously created or one which you created yourself. But '''wait''' until all submissions have been accepted by a mod before verifying the pub. A mod gets a warning message if a submission changes a verified pub and the moderator has to take an extra step to make sure that the person making the changes is the same one who verified it.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Please feel free to verify any pub that you have in hand and from which you are entering information, whether that pub record was previously created or one which you created yourself. But '''wait''' until all submissions have been accepted by a mod before verifying the pub. A mod gets a warning message if a submission changes a verified pub and the moderator has to take an extra step to make sure that the person making the changes is the same one who verified it.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Additional reasons for not verifying changes that have not yet been approved: If a moderator rejects a change, or accepts but adjusts an edit, it's '''YOUR''' name there on the verification and '''YOU''' will get questions. Adding data is usually fine. Correcting data - well, be careful about contents, you're working on every entry for that title we have, NOT just the entry in the work in front of you. We all got caught out with that at least once, and the workaround (Add new title, remove old title, merge new title if necessary) does mean a bit of a wait for approvals at times.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**Additional reasons for not verifying changes that have not yet been approved: If a moderator rejects a change, or accepts but adjusts an edit, it's '''YOUR''' name there on the verification and '''YOU''' will get questions. Adding data is usually fine. Correcting data - well, be careful about contents, you're working on every entry for that title we have, NOT just the entry in the work in front of you. We all got caught out with that at least once, and the workaround (Add new title, remove old title, merge new title if necessary) does mean a bit of a wait for approvals at times.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*It is a matter of courtesy to inform the verifier of changes you make to their verified pubs and it is strongly encouraged that you notify them first if the change is particularly significant.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*It is a matter of courtesy to inform the verifier of changes you make to their verified pubs and it is strongly encouraged that you notify them first if the change is particularly significant.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I would put the following section into this page before the '''Verification Rules''' section, were it not locked. Pretty much all of this is adapted from [[ISFDB:Help desk#Change and verify?]]. I request a moderator/admin to review this change and insert it if it seems a good idea. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I would put the following section into this page before the '''Verification Rules''' section, were it not locked. Pretty much all of this is adapted from [[ISFDB:Help desk#Change and verify?]]. I request a moderator/admin to review this change and insert it if it seems a good idea. -[[User:DESiegel60|DES]] <sup>[[User talk:DESiegel60|Talk]]</sup> 07:01, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Please feel free to verify any pub that you have in hand and from which you are entering information, whether that pub record was previously created or one which you created yourself. But '''wait''' until all submissions have been accepted by a mod before verifying the pub. A mod gets a warning message if a submission changes a verified pub and the moderator has to take an extra step to make sure that the person making the changes is the same one who verified it.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Please feel free to verify any pub that you have in hand and from which you are entering information, whether that pub record was previously created or one which you created yourself. But '''wait''' until all submissions have been accepted by a mod before verifying the pub. A mod gets a warning message if a submission changes a verified pub and the moderator has to take an extra step to make sure that the person making the changes is the same one who verified it.</div></td></tr>
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</table>BLongleyhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Help_talk:How_to_verify_data&diff=108935&oldid=prevDESiegel60: /* Primary Verification */ remove/reword "I" comments2008-01-25T20:12:48Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Primary Verification: </span> remove/reword "I" comments</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># ISBN field for older works (roughly pre-1970) may be absent. Supply a catalog number if one is present on the cover, spine, back cover, copyright or title page. (Enter that with a "#" in front to stop the bibliographic warnings.) Magazines may use an ISSN instead.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># ISBN field for older works (roughly pre-1970) may be absent. Supply a catalog number if one is present on the cover, spine, back cover, copyright or title page. (Enter that with a "#" in front to stop the bibliographic warnings.) Magazines may use an ISSN instead.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Price field if there is no printed price on your copy. If your copy has no dustjacket or is price-clipped, note that in the pub's note field. (<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">I rarely verify </del>a <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">pub </del>of this type, hoping that someone else who has a more intact copy will come along.)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Price field if there is no printed price on your copy. If your copy has no dustjacket or is price-clipped, note that in the pub's note field. (<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Some editors refrain from verifying </ins>a <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">publication </ins>of this type, hoping that someone else who has a more intact copy will come along.)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Cover artist, where the artist is not credited within the pub. You can make an educated guess if there is a visible signature, but make a note to that effect in the pub's note field. </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># Cover artist, where the artist is not credited within the pub. You can make an educated guess if there is a visible signature, but make a note to that effect in the pub's note field. </div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If the work is an anthology or collection, you should enter all contents before marking the pub is verified. </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div># If the work is an anthology or collection, you should enter all contents before marking the pub is verified. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Please feel free to verify any pub that you have in hand and from which you are entering information, whether that pub record was previously created or one which you created yourself. But '''wait''' until all submissions have been accepted by a mod before verifying the pub. A mod gets a warning message if a submission changes a verified pub and <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">we have </del>to take an extra step to make sure that the person making the changes is the same one who verified it.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*Please feel free to verify any pub that you have in hand and from which you are entering information, whether that pub record was previously created or one which you created yourself. But '''wait''' until all submissions have been accepted by a mod before verifying the pub. A mod gets a warning message if a submission changes a verified pub and <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">the moderator has </ins>to take an extra step to make sure that the person making the changes is the same one who verified it.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*It is a matter of courtesy to inform the verifier of changes you make to their verified pubs and it is strongly encouraged that you notify them first if the change is particularly significant.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*It is a matter of courtesy to inform the verifier of changes you make to their verified pubs and it is strongly encouraged that you notify them first if the change is particularly significant.</div></td></tr>
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