User talk:Thoshmore

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Welcome!

Hello, Thoshmore, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Hauck 07:34, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Other Stories

Hello, I've put your submission on hold. Can you confirm that all the stories listed are spec-ifc? Thanks. (After this will be set, there will be other points to evoke).Hauck 07:36, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Not sure how best to respond. Ah -- you meant to say "spec-fic" rather than "spec-ifc" which I was misreading as a typo for "specific"! Yes, they're all SF/F; or at least they all have fantasy elements. They're also not particularly good, and much more experimental than most of his writings. It's a very peculiar little collection, and obviously quite scarce: I can't find another copy. Found this one in a library book sale years ago, and it seemed worth adding when it reappeared in my cleaning out a box. I can send pix if that would help. Cheers, Tom Whitmore
Thanks for answering (I've even invented a new genre!). Lets tackle the next phase, I've approved your submission but corrected the following:
  • Set number of pages to "(xii)+76" (there's a looooong part about page numbers in the help that you may want to check).
  • Deleted data about cover art (if there's none, we just don't enter anything and sometimes state the fact in the note).
  • Set the titles of the stories "straight" (we do not use such inverted notation).
The result is here. Thanks for entering such an obscure gem. Hauck 07:13, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! I've a few other obscure things to put up (an unrecorded dw variation on THE PETRIFIED PLANET, for example, which I need to check how to upload pictures of: it's apparently early, as the less-known one is on a review copy). Slowly, slowly....

Science Fiction Fandom

Hello, I've placed your submission for Science Fiction Fandom on hold; it appears to be a duplicate entry for this record, although your submission has more content (and details) than the current submission, which seems incomplete. I would advise adding your additional details to the current record, and leaving a note on the Talk page of the primary verifier as to what changes you're making. As for your question regarding bibliography or glossary entries, you are correct to assign those to ESSAY types as far as the ISFDB is concerned... is it somewhat of a catchall for shorter non-fiction items. Albinoflea 04:36, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I've approved the submission. The contents were incomplete because I've not yet reached this part of my refernce shelves (I'm in the "R" section) so the partial data likely comes from another contributor (probably Darrah). Please remember to verify the publication. Hauck 07:41, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Three Shouts on a Hill

I've approved your submission of Three Shouts on a Hill, but I've added a content entry for the play itself, as CHAPBOOKS are a bot of an oddity. See the CHAPBOOK section of the Pub Type help page for more details... but the gist of it is that unlike adding a new NOVEL, a CHAPBOOK requires the specific addition of the short piece it contains. Also, you have the binding listed as "unknown"; since you indicate that you were involved with the publication, can you update this to reflect the actual binding used for the 150 numbered copies? If you're unsure which to use, you can see a list of options with their descriptions on the New Pub help page. Thanks. Albinoflea 05:04, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Moderator Note for Three Shouts on a Hill.

Your editing question is answered above. Re, editing your talk page, there seems to be no problem. Have you checked to see if you're signed in?--Rkihara 00:54, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I've made the change to the format; pamphlet is just listed as "ph".
The Wiki requires a separate login from the main site, so if you're just seeing "Log in / create account" in the upper right hand corner of Wiki instead of "Thoshmore - My talk - My preferences - My watchlist - My contributions - Log out" then be sure to login again... the sessions aren't always the same between the wiki portion of the site and the main site. Albinoflea 04:29, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Essays having no author, and essays with "standard" titles

Hi. These comments will apply to a few of your recent submissions, which I will accept and fix up, but I started with Fear, so you can look at that for reference. For works where the publication does not identify the author, we use "uncredited", not "Anonymous" -- see the first couple of bullets of Help:Screen:NewPub#Author.28s.29. Use of Anonymous is reserved to the situation where "Anonymous" is the explicit credit (which is rare). Also, for essays having generic sort of titles like "Introduction", "Afterword", and so on -- the help calls these "Standard" titles -- where the same title is likely to appear in multiple publications over different text, we disambiguate the titles by including the publication title in parentheses. So, for example, "Introduction (Fear)". See the very last bullet in the Title subsection of Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles. Just something to keep in mind for future submissions. Thanks. --MartyD 10:38, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

The L. Ron Hubbard Classic Fiction series

To answer your note to the moderator on The Kilkenny Cats Series submission, and to follow up on the above topic about the essay titles:

  • I took the price information from your note to the moderator and inserted it into the publication notes for each of your four submissions. That is how we handle secondary sources of information: Record the data as "fact" (here, the price), but then document the source in the publication notes if it did not come from the publication itself.
  • The document-secondary-sources concept extends to entire publications. So if you do not have some of the volumes, yet information in other volumes, catalogues, Amazon -- wherever -- is sufficient to allow you to create a record, by all means do so. You just need to document the source(s) used in the publication notes. And you would not make yourself a primary verifier for any book you do not have.
  • For the essay titles I mentioned in the previous topic, I did the same disambiguation in all of your additional submissions. BUT... If the essays are identical from volume to volume, we should merge them and assign a different sort of disambiguation. For example, if the introductions were all the same, "Introduction (L. Ron Hubbard Classic Fiction Series)" might be appropriate. What should go into the disambiguation is a bit of an art/judgment call. If the text differs, then the titles should remain different.

There are various ways to merge. Here, where the author is "uncredited", I'd suggest editing the titles in place, then using Check for Duplicate Titles from one of the publications once the edits have been accepted. That would probably be simplest. If you need help or have questions, just ask. --MartyD 11:13, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

The Kingslayer

I have rejected your edit to change The Kingslayer from a COLLECTION to a NOVEL. This entry is for two publication which include the The Kingslayer (novella) along with three other stories. Regarding your moderator note, only the novella (and not the other three stories) is what was published with "Pebble in the Sky" in Two Complete Science-Adventure Books, Winter 1950 per other verifiers. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

Thank you. I'm still learning my way around -- I've got a lot of peculiar books, and I'm not always sure how things work here. I'd rather get the info out than keep it hidden.

Multiple Additions

I have processed your recent editions, but had to make a number of changes:

  • Anonymous should only be used as a credit when the credit is specifically stated as "Anonymous". We use "uncredited" when there is no credit. Based on these entries, I have changed them to uncredited. If that is not correct, please let me know.
  • Essay should be entered with a title type of "ESSAY" and not as "SHORTFICTION".
  • As MartyD mentions above, common essay titles (Introduction, etc.) need to be disambiguated.
  • Publications containing a single shortfiction work (ex. a novella) are entered as a CHAPBOOK containing the shortfiction; not as a novel.
  • Several entries were missing binding. I changed them to hc based on the other, but please double check.

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:26, 8 October 2017 (EDT)

Thank you back. I'm still learning the conventions here -- they're rather idiosyncratic, but that's going to be true of any bibliograpic venture. Yes, all the books are hardcovers; yes, the introductions are all different, and relevant to the book, but the two items at the end ("About the Author" and "Classic Fiction by L. Ron Hubbard") appear to be uniform. I haven't taken the time to go over them line by line to make sure that's true, but it's a good bet.

I'd disagree about listing THE KINGSLAYER (e.g.) as a chapbook. It's a standard-size hardcover, with all the hallmarks of a full book. Calling it a chapbook does a disservice to the person looking for it on a library shelf. I would be quite okay with calling (e.g.)the boards edition of ARKHAM HOUSE: THE FIRST 20 YEARS a chapbook (the wraps edition certainly is, and the boards edition only differs in the binding) -- but with this being a uniform series, consistent in binding and presentation, I'd want them all to be the same type of book. I can send you pix if you'd like to see what I'm talking about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thoshmore (talk • contribs) .

Chapbook is not an indication of format or quality, only of content length. Lengths (novel, novella, etc.) have establish word count requirements. The Kingslayer (story) is a novella and not a novel. You can upload your cover images & add them to the publications (see help). Also, please sign your posts (either by clicking the button that looks like a signature in the toolbar above the editing box or by typing --~~~~). Signatures make it much easier to follow conversations. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:38, 12 November 2017 (EST)
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