User talk:Piedro01

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The Witch of Maracoor

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I had to reject this one - books are only eligible to be added 90 days before their publication. Publishers change their plans too often so adding earlier than that is rarely practical. Feel free to resubmit this one in early July. Thanks and let me know if you have any questions! Annie (talk) 12:19, 29 March 2023 (EDT)

Snow Tiger

Hi. I accepted your submission of Snow Tiger, but I made two changes to it. The important change was the link to the cover image. Your original submission had a link to a site where we do not have linking permission (see this help), so I changed it to use a link to the cover on Amazon.com. Please check and confirm that is the correct image. Also, while I was on Amazon.com I noticed they have a price of $12.00, so I added that with a note as to the source. Please correct it if that is wrong (and adjust the notes). If your copy is priced $12, you can also delete the note about the price's coming from Amazon. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --MartyD (talk) 08:52, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

Jewels of Darkover

Hi, there slipped some things through upon approving this anthology: you added [only as Rosemary and India Edghill] and [only as Leslie Roy Carter and Margarte L. Carter] to the list of authors of two of the items: in the first case we do recognize the 'and' as diferentiating the two authors to 'Rosemary Edgehill' and 'India Edghill' (like we do - for exmaple - for Arkady & Boris Strugatsky --> 'Arkady Strugatsky' and 'Boris Strugatsky'). For the second case we do record the spelling of the credit, even if it's a typo error. Please don't add things like the two mentioned aboveixed. I fixed those two & varianted the 'Margarte' to the parent Margaret L. Carter.

I also corrected two spellings of titles according to our rules of capitalization ('Berry-thorn, Berry-thorn' --> 'Berry-Thorn, Berry-Thorn' and 'Nor Iron Bars A Cage' --> 'Nor Iron Bars a Cage'). Please take some time to read the rules more closely. Thanks, Stonecreek (talk) 02:28, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

Alliance-Union sub-series

Hi. I accepted your submissions ordering some of the sub-series of Aliiance-Union. I made one change: You assigned #7 to Mri Wars, but according to the summary on Wikipedia, that should be #6, and #7 is a missing "Era of Rapprochement". I added that and changed Mri Wars to #6. Please adjust if you think that is incorrect. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --MartyD (talk) 07:55, 23 July 2023 (EDT)

Codex Derynianus

I have rejected this submission as there are only two titles in the Deryni Magic series, and we don't have single-title series. You're welcome to discuss this with the the primary verifier if you think the series name should be changed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:36, 4 August 2023 (EDT)

Mary Stewart Merlin / Arthurian Saga series ordering

Hi. I have two of your submissions on hold, The Wicked Day and The Prince and the Pilgrim, that propose to swap the order of these two in the series. What source do you have for that change? Everything I can find says The Wicked Day is fourth and The Prince and the Pilgrim is fifth, although events in the latter are set before events in the former. Thanks. --MartyD (talk) 08:56, 3 December 2023 (EST)

Hi, I have no idea if I'm doing this right as I couldn't find any instructions in the help files about how to reply to a user talk.
As to the order of he two books... that's the whole point: the events of "The Prince and the Pilgim" take place before "The Wicked Day", so in the series internal order, "The Prince and the Pilgrim" is fourth and "The Wicked Day" is fifth. The writing order is the opposite, of course. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prince_and_the_Pilgrim it is stated that "The tale is a self-contained novel taking place during Arthur's reign (possibly during the events in The Last Enchantment), and does not continue the story of The Wicked Day. It covers the time before Merlin the Enchanter's defeat." --Piedro01 (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2023 (EET)
You did fine! :) To better separate different comments, it helps to indent each comment/response an additional level by adding leading colons (":"), one per level. I added that to your reply and am using two colons on this response, which will let you see how that looks. For this particular numbering situation, the title series numbering should reflect the "official" series order, not the ordering of events. Amazon clearly labels The Wicked Day as Book 4 and The Prince and the Pilgrim as Book 5, but Amazon isn't official for anything. I poked around on the publisher's site and found The Wicked Day. The last line of the description there is:
"Mary Stewart's stunning Arthurian Saga began with The Crystal Cave, The Hollow Hills, The Last Enchantment and The Wicked Day. It concludes with The Prince & the Pilgrim."
which is rather definitive about the ordering. There is also The Prince and the Pilgrim which says it is the "final installment" of the Arthurian Saga.
So based on your feedback and that additional information, I think what we should do is leave the series numbering as it is but incorporate the time ordering information in the title notes. I am going to reject those two proposed changes and make adjustments to the titles' notes. Let me know if you disagree, and we can discuss further -- it will be easy to recover those changes. Thanks. --MartyD (talk) 11:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)
The publisher's as well Amazon's blurbs refer to the publishing order, of course. It is what it is, defined by the publication date. That doesn't need any series title numbering. What the series numbering is needed for is just to bring forth the internal chronological order of the titles in the series. And here "The Prince and the Pilgrim" clearly comes before "The Wicked Day". In "The Prince and the Pilgrim" King Arthur is still alive: the novel is about how the Prince Alexander whose father has been murdered by his uncle, King Mark of Cornwall, sets out to travel to Camelot to seek justice from the High King Arthur. In page 333 of "The Prince and the Pilgrim" (my copy is the Hodder & Stoughton Coronet mass market paperback edition, ISBN 0-340-65411-2) in the Epilogue there is a line "Alexander was already deep in the other letter, which was indeed from the High King. It was long, beautifully penned by Arthur's scribe. In it the King thanked Alexander---" and then goes on to mention Arthur's "trusted nephew Mordred". In "The Wicked Day", King Arthur dies by the hand of the said Mordred. So which one comes officially first, Arthur living or Arthur dying? --Piedro01 (talk) 3:49, 10 December 2023 (EET)
I return to this ordering issue. According to the ISFDB "Field-by-field guide to creating and updating publication records":
"Series Num
Series Number - If you know the order in which the titles in the series are supposed to be read, you can number them starting with 1. You can use decimal numbers like 4.5 to place a title between the titles numbered 4 and 5. No Roman numerals (like I or IV) or letters (like "1a" or "A") are allowed. Please note that some series are very linear (e.g. Harry Potter) and it's easy to tell how to assign series number to individual entries. Other series can have multiple possible numbering schemes reflecting the series' publication order, internal chronological order, intended publication order, "author recommended" order, etc."
This is what I had in mind when updating the series numbering. We do not need numbering to reflect the publcation order. We can figure that order just fine from the year of the publication which is shown right there next to the title of the publication. What the numbering should be used in this situation is to reflect the internal chronological order of the series. That should be entirely fine, if I read the Help files correctly. If I have misunderstood something, can you please explain, what? I have seen numerous entries in ISFDB where the series numbering has been used exactly the way I was using it. How do those particular situations differ from this particular situation? --Piedro01 (talk) 5:09, 1 March 2024 (EET)
I apologize. I lost track of this. Let me seek some additional opinions about it. --MartyD (talk) 16:23, 12 March 2024 (EDT)
Hi again. I checked with the other moderators (see here), and the recommendation is to discuss this series' numbering on the Community Portal. In fact, the next sentence in that Help text you cited says to do that when wanting to change the way a series is numbered if there is "ambiguity" around which numbering scheme is appropriate. So that is the process to follow in this case. I don't know how game you are for that. I'd be happy to do it in your stead, using some of what you say here, if you would be uncomfortable. Whichever of us posts it, one thing I would suggest is framing the topic as a request to change the order (or a statement that the order should be changed) rather than an open-ended "How should this series be numbered?" sort of question. Then at some point we can call the question and get a clear "yes change it" or "no don't change it" answer. Let me know how you would like to proceed. I can see you feel strongly about it, and I'm happy to help. --MartyD (talk) 18:59, 14 March 2024 (EDT)
Hi, what you say sounds good but I really wouldn't know how to do that, so I'd be really thankful if you'd care to do it. Piedro01 (talk) 2:16, 19 March 2024 (EET)

Cover image links

When adding links for cover images to a publication, please be sure to follow the guidelines on ISFDB:Image linking permissions. We can only "hotlink" to specific sites that have given us permission to do so. If the site isn't on that list, you will need to upload it yourself. Please let me know if you have any questions. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:38, 17 January 2024 (EST)

~~ Thank you, this was very helpfull. Piedro01 (talk) 14:41, 12 March 2024 (EET)

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