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Hello, Paul Fraser, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Astounding Science-Fiction, February 1940

Hello, I've approved your submission for this magazine. Please note that ISFDB etiquette requires you to notify the primary verifier(s) of the modifications on the publications they own. Such data may interest them or they may not agree with you. I've done this for you here. If you own the publication, please think of becoming yourself another PV. Thanks for contributing. Hauck 19:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I made another suggested change before I knew about contacting the people concerned: will do so in the future. Paul Fraser

Something Else#1

Please ignore change to Soemthing Else#1, finger trouble.

Something Else #1, second attempt

Mods: second attempt correct. Sorry, couldn't work out how to add art and non-fiction so added to notes to moderator. Regards, Paul Fraser

Sub approved. For the interior art, you'll have to use the "Add Title" button (after "Edit This Pub") and enter each piece of interior art separately (page#, title=the title of the work illustrated,date will be put by default, type = INTERIORART, no length, artist), I've done this for the Harrison art. For the nonfiction, same procedure, enter each piece as titled (not the contents, though), as an example, I've entered the editorial (note type=ESSAY and disambiguation). Perhaps that a note should be entered for the Moorcock piece at title level to avoid confusion with the novel, ditto for Harrison's (here just for information's sake). The Aldiss short stories are to be entered exactly as on title page (your title seems to come from The Locus Index), can you confirm what you entered? After this, we'll have either to merge them (if the titles already exist) or variant them.
You can see the #2 issue here. If you own a copy, please think of becoming its PV. Hauck 15:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Startling Stories, May 1951

Hello, I've put your submission on hold as I want to make sure that I understand what you're wanting to do (or wanting us to do for you). Do you mean that (as per the lettercol in a later issue) the artist for The Seed of Space is Stevens? Thanks. Hauck 10:32, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

Hi, My intent was to change the note, as I wasn't sure what the threshold for attribution was. If you think this is sufficient in terms of evidence, then changing the artist for the story would be in order. Even if the latter option is taken, I would suggest leaving the note in as evidence, which I'm sure you would do anyway.Thank you,Paul Fraser
And the answer to your question is yes: Stevens artist for SOS.
Just to be sure, about which "stevens" are we talking about? (this one?). Hauck 15:16, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
Yes. Since your comment I have compared the artwork with known examples of the artist's work (a couple of issues of FFM are all illustrated by him) and am sure it is this artist.Is that enough evidence to go forward with adding an attribution? Should I do this or will you? I have also managed to identify some of this artist's other work--in one magazine, one of the three artists is identified and the other two, one of which is Stevens, have quite dissimilar styles--is it acceptable to change the attribution in the magazines concerned if I explain the deduction process in the notes? Thanks for your time in sorting this.
I've made the changes for The Seed of Space and revamped the note (note that we credit directly to canonical in such cases). For other credits, we usually "accept" such deduction processes if they are explained (in the note of the publication proper for users and in the "Note to Moderator" in order to assist in the decision-making process). Hauck 11:41, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

Thanks! I'll try not to cause so much work for you in the future.

Mary MacGregor

Hello,

I had put the submission temporary on hold until I get some clarifications. I will update the pseudonym and break the relationship but wanted to make sure that both pieces we have now credited to Mary are actually hers: over here. Is the essay also hers or does it need to remain attached to the husband? Thanks! Annie 17:05, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

Hi Annie,
The letter (I can send you a scan if you wish) is from Mary McGregor (Jameson), wife of Malcolm Jameson, claiming ownership of the :story. Both the letter and story are hers, not Malcolm's.
To clarify, the essay is a letter and it is Mary's.
Hi Paul, we record letters as essays here - with the word Letter in the title. So ep - it is recorded as a letter. No need for a scan - I will break the pseudonym relationship and add notes that the two of them are a husband and wife as well. Thanks for the answer! Annie 19:03, 28 July 2017 (EDT)
All done I think. Please let me know if you see something else still incorrect. For future references, you can request a removal of a pseudonym by going to the pseudonymed name you want to remove, clicking on "Make/Remove a Pseudonym" link in the Editing menu on the left and clicking remove inside of the newly opened page :) Then you need to break the variants (go to the variant title and type 0 as the new parent). Alternatively, you can post in Community Support and someone will help. :) Thanks a lot of the update of this one. Annie 19:11, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the update and the tips.

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, July-August 2017

I accepted your edits to The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, July-August 2017, but made some changes to match ISFDB conventions:

  • Only a single price (the primary currency) goes in the price field and without a country name. Any additional prices go in the notes field.
  • Works without an author credit should be entered as "uncredited". Anonymous is only used for works actually credited as Anonymous.
  • Common titles (columns, introductions, etc.) are disambiguated with the publication name.
  • We normalize title case. See "Case" at Template:TitleFields:Title

For the two review columns, you should also enter the individual reviews in the reviews section of the publication edition. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:55, 17 November 2017 (EST)

Thanks.

Double submission?

Hello, I've put your submission on hold. It seems to me that you wish to enter this alraedy existing publication that I've bring up to our standards. Is it the case? Thanks. Hauck 08:29, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Hi,The one that is there is my submission (it has me as the verifier). I didn't intentionally make a double submission.
While I'm here, and for future reference, how do I make the Laidlaw story the ninth in his Gorlen series?
To do this, go at the short story title level there, then use the "Edit Title Data" link on the left, then enter the series' name (as exists i.e. "Gorlen Vizenfirth") in the "Series" field and the the rank in the "Series Num" field.
Actually, strike that, can you point me to the best section of the community portal for this and other future questions, please? Thanks for your time, Paul Fraser
You can use the help desk or do as you just did by communicating with a moderator.
PS What do you mean by "this alraedy existing publication that I've bring up to our standards"?
What did you have to change apart from the 'deLint' spelling error?
A quite long list of different operations: (IIRC) Added Title series, varianted title to the editor's canonical name, changed titles (issue, editor record, cover art) to specify pub date, merged title by year, corrected titles of essay in series (deleting series' name that was IN the title), put them in series (e.g. changed It's a Wrap [Films (F&SF)] into It's a Wrap then put them into "Films (F&SF)" series).Hauck 11:17, 8 February 2018 (EST)

>> Added Title series

OK, I think I see how to do that.


>>varianted title to the editor's canonical name

No idea. It says to put the editor's name as per the magazine.

Yes, but for us "C. C. Finlay" is a pseudonym of "Charles Coleman Finlay" so anything by the former should be varianted to something by the latter, that's why you've got this that is varianted to that.

>>changed titles (issue, editor record, cover art) to specify pub date, merged title by year,

Again, no idea what you are referring to here.

you entered the ISSUE as being titled The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, I've added the date in the title to change it to The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, November-December 2017. The second part is purely technical and is not to be bothered with at this stage.

>>corrected titles of essay in series (deleting series' name that was IN the title),

Some of the essay titles are in the form "Science: Blah, blah, blah" -- I put in "Blah, Blah, Blah" as that matched previous records.

In fact no, you put Blah, Blah, Blah [Science (F&SF)] as title, this should be entered as simply Blah, Blah, Blah then this text should be put into the "Science (F&SF)" title series.

>>put them in series (e.g. changed It's a Wrap [Films (F&SF)] into It's a Wrap then put them into "Films (F&SF)" series).

How do you do that?

Go at the essay title level then use the "Edit Title Data" link and add the correct series (here "Films (F&SF)") in the "Series" field.

Long story short: is it worth me contributing these contents list if there is so much wrong with them?

It's strictly up to you. Noboby (IIRC) has submitted an error-free issue of a magazine on the first submission, so there is ample hope. As submissions are moderated and we have a system of cleanup reports, there will always be someone to correct (or make you correct) what's wrong. Hauck 06:53, 10 February 2018 (EST)
      • Thanks for taking the time to reply. OK, I think I have a better idea of what to do next time so we'll see how it goes.***

F & SF, Nov-Dec 2017

Hi, Paul. On your verified F&SF, Nov-Dec 2017: 1) Added cover image; 2) Corrected page number for "Musing on Books" from 94 to 90. 3) Added reviews for that column. 4) Changed R.I.P. to Rip on p.173 as shown on cartoon. 4) Changed around the p.256 title for the Index to reflect how it is actually shown. (It also conforms to the other titles for the indexes to the mag, sometimes it's good to check what others have done) I left in your (F&SF) qualifier, though none of the other titles have it. I think that adds clarity. We'll see if anyone else agrees :) Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 10:27, 10 February 2018 (EST)

Thanks for catching my mistakes. I'll try and do better next time.

Not a problem - it’s tough at the beginning but after a wile you’ll catch on, but you, like the rest of us, will always make some mistakes. Two things which will help when you talk on these pages here. One, always end your remarks with four tildes in a row - that’s the ~ on your keyboard. That automatically signs your post. Two, to indent when you reply to someone, start the line with one more : than the previous reply. See how I started this paragraph. You can see it in edit mode. Hope that helps a little. Doug / Vornoff 20:11, 10 February 2018 (EST)
Thanks got the tips.Paul Fraser 15:57, 11 February 2018 (EST)

Blast Off

Hello, I've made the necessary changes (there were a bit complicated). In the future, it's best that you ask directly any active moderator (or in such cases someone like me who own the publication to be changed) to do the required changes instead of submitting a "void" submission (which may be confusing to some). Thanks for spotting this. Hauck 05:08, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Thanks again for your help. Will do. Paul Fraser 08:53, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Cover Images

When uploading cover images, please use the "Upload new cover scan" link on the publication page. This will upload the image to the correct location and properly fill in the image license template. I have deleted Image:FU196002x600.jpg. It turns out the cover was already uploaded at Image:FANTUNIVFEB1960.jpg using the correct method, but the link was never added to the publication record. I've resolved that. Thanks for finding this issue. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2018 (EDT)

Edward Mackin

Hi, If there are two Edward Mackin (one perhaps Edward MacKin), please distinguish between the two by giving one the suffix (I) and assign his work to that author record. I have yet to find a work by the US Edward Mackin though, they seem to have been done all by the UK author. And when entering a legal name, please do it in the correct way:

Legal Name - This field should contain the most recent legal name for the author. For example, James Tiptree, Jr. was a pseudonym of Alice Sheldon, who was born Alice Bradley. Alice Sheldon is the most recent legal name for this author. Use the format "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames", with all names being given in full. The reason for this format are names like "Patrick Nielsen Hayden" where you can't readily tell whether the last name is "Hayden" or "Nielsen Hayden." No prefixes should be used: "Capt.", "Mrs.", "Sir", and so on, are not recorded in this field. Suffixes that are not part of the legal name -- for example, "Sr.", educational and professional designations such as "Ph.D." or "M.D.", ranks and orders such as "Col.", "K.G." -- also should not be recorded. Certain suffixes such as "Jr.", "II", "III", etc., may or may not be part of the legal name. We assume they are not, unless we have reliable evidence to the contrary. If a suffix is part of the legal name, use the format "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames, Suffix". --Dirk P Broer 19:39, 7 September 2018 (EDT)
Legal name entered, and the note slightly reworded. I think I may have made a triple submission while going back and forth. I don't know if it is in the works, but it would be useful to see the changes page and then have a "confirm submission" button. Sometimes I see things on the changes page that I don't see on the one that I'm editing on. Paul Fraser 10:38, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
Actually, now I think about it, the original note I wrote gave the attribution of the information to the ifc of a specific copy of New Worlds--is there any particular reason this was removed? Should statements such as these not be referenced so others can confirm it if they wish? Paul Fraser 10:49, 8 September 2018 (EDT)

The Peristyle columns

Hello Paul,

First: Thanks for identifying the author to those columns! However, I had to change the way the edits were done a bit. We always credit based on how the publication credited an author - with two small exceptions:

  • Normalizing the author name (suffixes and initials and so on)
  • Authors with the same name (we use differentiators for them everywhere they are mentioned)

When an author of a text piece is not credited, we always record as uncredited and we discover who the actual author was in secondary sources:

  • For covers: We use the canonical name of the author as in the DB (we do not record covers as uncredited - we just do not create a record if we do not know who the artist is
  • For text pieces: We leave uncredited in the publication and variant to the actual name (and document that). You can see the result of my update here (and you can check the other 2 via your "Recent Edits".

You can see this page for some more details. Thanks again and let me know if you have any questions or if I can assist further! Annie 10:29, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

Surface Tension

I had to reject this edit as there was no change. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

>> Sorry, my finger trouble I think.

About your note on author canonical names

About your note here.

We tend to go by sheer numbers - whichever name has the most credits, gets the "canonical name" status - it does not matter what/how the name was changed (legal proceedings, marriage, new pseudonym and so on). However we can bend the rule a little bit for cases like that - and we had done it a time or three. The author has a lot of titles and it is not trivial (but it is doable) to change the canonical name (we will need to variant every single title into the other author name). I'd say to follow our usual process of changes like that:

  • Post in Comminity the intention to change the name and the reasoning
  • If noone objects in a week or so, proceed and do the changes. If you are unwilling to do the work, mention that in the initial post so someone can volunteer to do it.

Let me know if you have any questions.

PS: Posting in Community is the way to go for questions like this - so everyone can see it. A note inside of a submission will not be seen by anyone but the handling moderator. Annie 15:58, 8 February 2021 (EST)

Thanks for your reply, Annie. As you have a previously established procedure for deciding on canonical names, and it will be a lot of work for whoever does it, I'll leave it alone. Thanks for your time. Paul Fraser 09:13, 9 February 2021 (EST)
I had been thinking on that... I will probably start a discussion again on the topic over the weekend. It is a best known name in the genre and we can argue that the new name IS supposed to be that now. The work is there to be done -- so if we agree on a change, it can be done - I've reversed canonical names with a lot more titles in them... Thanks for bringing that up again! Annie 11:02, 9 February 2021 (EST)

Science Fantasy, August 1963

Hello,

Thanks for adding the editorial but a few changes had to be made

  • All non-fiction pieces inside of books/magazines are added as essays
  • When adding a commonly named essays, the name of the publication is added as a differentiator.
  • We have a few special designations for page numbers and ic is not one of them (and even if we did have that one, the field only shows the starting page of the text, any other notes are in the notes field. So I fixed the numbering and added a note explaining the situation. We may be able to use "fep" eventually but I am not sure if the pagination of this magazine includes the covers...

The result is here. Let me know if you have any questions/concerns. Annie 16:30, 13 October 2021 (EDT)

Hi Annie, Thanks for tidying up my sloppy submission. Paul Fraser 17:54, 13 October 2021 (EDT)
Anytime :) Some of these are not exactly obvious if you do not work on magazines often enough. So I try to explain and provide help pages links where possible :) Thanks for adding the missing part of the magazine! Annie 18:14, 13 October 2021 (EDT)
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