User talk:Ofearna/Archive02

Image upload without a license tage

I think you may have uploaded this image directly to the wiki without using the "Upload Cover Scan" function that's linked in the publication record. You can see it doesn't have a license tag, which covers us against charges of copyright violation citing the fair-use statutes. If you upload from the pub record link, the system automatically creates a license tag, autogenerates a unique file name, and links the wiki image file back to the database publication record. If you choose to use the "Upload File" function from the wiki side of the database, (which you are free to do if you wish) you will have to manually create a license tag and a link the image back to the pub record. After you've got a chance to see this, I'll add the template that will do that for this file. Keep this in mind when uploading directly to the wiki in the future. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:32, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I see you've uploaded the image again. The problem wasn't with the image. It just needs an image license tag. I'll add that to the page. Mhhutchins 17:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Call of the Hunt

You removed the publication date of 2012-03-23 from this record. When the actual date is not stated in the book, it is correct to enter the date from a secondary source, and then record the source for the date in the note field. I'll return the date and source to the record. Mhhutchins 16:23, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

no, I changed it to match the book, which says Feb 2012.Ofearna 19:36, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

If you had done a primary verification of the record I would have known you were working from a copy of the book itself. When you didn't enter the page count I assumed you were working from a secondary source. Please update the record based on the data in the book and do a primary verification. Mhhutchins 04:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I've also returned the note about it being the "First Edition Thus". Also, you left the page count field blank, so I gave the page count from SFBC.com. Can you check to see if it's correct? Mhhutchins 16:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

What does it MEAN "first edition thus"? Ofearna 19:36, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

"First edition thus" is a bibliographic term to indicate that although parts of the work may have been previously published, that this edition is the first time that they have been brought together between two covers. Mhhutchins 04:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Czarny tron

I few things about the Czarny tron submission:

• OCLC/Worldcat always displays both the 10 digit and the 13 digit version of each ISBN regardless of the year of publication. Since this book appeared in 1996, 11 years before 13 digit ISBNs were introduced, I changed the ISBN to the 10 digit version.
• "Poznan" is the city where the publisher "Rebis" (or "REBIS") was based in 1996 (it looks like they were still there in 2008 - I have updated our publisher record.) The OCLC record lists the publisher as "Dom Wydawniczy Rebis", but "Dom Wydawniczy" simply means "Publishing House" in Polish.
• The "description" field of the OCLC record says "20 cm", so I changed the binding code to "tp". Mass market paperbacks (as we define them) are 18 cm.
• Translations are entered as separate Title records, which are then turned into variant titles of the original work. I have unmerged Czarny tron from The Black Throne, set its language to Polish and created a variant title relationship. I also added the name of the translator to the Notes field.

As you can see, translations have all kinds of quirks, but please don't let that discourage you. We have an active Polish editor, User:Zoltar, who I am sure will be happy to help with Polish titles. Also, a number of moderators are fluent in multiple languages, so they too should be able to help. Ahasuerus 16:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

so, how would I handle http://www.worldcat.org/title/cerny-trun/oclc/724292256 -- which is the same book, same title in the slavic alphabet but I don't have a cover for it? Ofearna 19:42, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

The title of the Czech translation that you linked above is somewhat different -- it's "Černý trůn" rather than the Polish "Czarny tron". The easiest way to add it would be to:

• Pull up the original Title record
• Click on "Add a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work to This Title" in the navigation bar on the left
• Change the Title field from "The Black Throne" to "Černý trůn"
• Change the date to 2006-00-00
• Change the language to Czech
• Wait for the submission to be approved, then pull up the new Czech title and use the "Add Publication to This Title" link to enter publication level data. The OCLC record matches what I see in the National Library of the Czech republic, notably the publisher ("Banshies") and the publication series ("Fantasy (Banshies)") fields.

Unfortunately, this is where it gets tricky. The OCLC record reproduces the note from the National Library of the Czech Republic, which reads "Překlad z angličtiny Ivana Drábková" and means "Translated from English by Ivan Drábkov", but please note the difference in the spelling of the translator's name. You really need to know at least a little bit about the language in question in order to extract information from these so-called "free text" fields in library records. When you come across them and are not familiar with the language, it's best to post a question on the Help Desk. Ahasuerus 20:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Zapomniane bestie z Eldu

I have approved and then changed Zapomniane bestie z Eldu -- the changes were similar to what had to be done for Czarny tron. I also checked the records at the National Library of Poland and found that "Andrzej Sapkowski Przestawia" (which means "Andrzej Sapkowski Presents") is a publication series while the publisher is Mag, so I changed the record accordingly. Ahasuerus 20:16, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, please note that the HTML syntax is rather unforgiving. An error in the code can make your submissions unapprovable or mess up the display in various ways, so please test your HTML before you create submissions. There is a good primer on HTML at this site. TIA! Ahasuerus 05:02, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Confessions d'un linceul

I have made the following changes to this publication record:

• Moved the name of the translator (Hélène Devaux-Minié) from the Author field to the Notes field
• Unmerged the publication from "Books of Blood"
• Changed the language of the newly created Collection title record to French
• Turned the Collection record into a variant of Books of Blood, Volume III -- it turned out that this is a translation of the third volume in the "Books of Blood" series rather than the first one
• Entered the contents from this page, which is for a different edition, but the story titles are apparently the same
• Set up the new French titles as variants of Barker's original titles

Again, don't worry about the changes. Translations can be tricky and a certain amount of massaging is expected :) Ahasuerus 20:40, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

"Something in My Eye" variants

Hi. You have submitted a change that would make "Something in My Eye" interiorart a variant of this nonfiction (book). Perhaps you meant the cover? I have left the submission on hold for your reference. Please cancel and resubmit as whatever you meant to do. Thanks. --MartyD 11:26, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Numirti Italbare

Numirti Italbare has been approved with one change: the Lithuanian currency is the litas, not the euro :-) After examining the linked record, I added the following note:

• Data from http://www.knygute.lt/PFAF-210-Numirti-Italbare.34 , which gives the price as 9.99 Litas, but it seems to apply to the electronic version published in 2010 rather than to the paper version published in 2001.

Ahasuerus 16:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

added the cover artOfearna 17:17, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I think we could use price from publisher web page. Also there is a series title. BarDenis 08:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

And ISBN 9955100001 BarDenis 09:22, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Books of Blood

A few things re: your "Books of Blood" submissions:

• La Mort, Sa Vie, Son Œuvre is a variant of Volume VI rather than of volume V, so I relinked it accordingly
• In all cases the date of the first appearance of the French translation was a few years prior to the date of the edition that used the Whelan covers that you have, so I adjusted each Title record's date.
• In HTML, you can't use "<LI>" by itself -- it makes browsers grumpy. You have to start with a "<ul>", then use "<li>" for each line, then close the list with a "</ul>" -- there is an example on this Web page.

Sorry about the delay with approval. There have been a lot of submissions lately and relatively few active moderators. Ahasuerus 05:10, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I have answered your question on my Talk page. Ahasuerus 03:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Immortal Unicorn Volume 2

Please correct the spelling of author credited as "S.P. Somtow" (should have a space after each period), and correct the capitalization of the story titles in this record using the ISFDB capitalization standard. Mhhutchins 13:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, please add the pagination for the contents. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:50, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Dangit!, I thought I'd caught all the capitalizations. I should get my copy of the book back within a week and then I can add page #s. Ofearna 18:13, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Guardian Angels: Heart-Warming Stories of Divine Influence and Protection

I have approved this submission and made a few changes:

• Changed the title to Guardian Angels: Heart-Warming Stories of Divine Influence and Protection to reflect the way it is spelled on the title page as per Amazon's Look-Inside. ISFDB uses the title and the spelling of the author's (or in this case the editor's) name as they appear on the title page rather than on the cover.
• Similarly, changed the editor's name from "Martin Greenberg" to "Martin H. Greenberg". In this case the difference is quite significant: Martin Greenberg was a 1950s anthologist while Martin H. Greenberg was a 1970s-2000s anthologist.
• Changed "..." to ". . . " in ". . . Next on Channel 77" as per Help
• Changed "Bonnie Jean Perry" to "Bonnie Jeanne Perry" as per Amazon's Look-Inside

Could you please confirm that these changes match what you have in your copy? Amazon's Look-Inside has become less reliable lately as they slowly replace OCR'd scan of paper books with Kindle excerpts. I am sure they save lots of money in the process, but it makes our life harder... Also, in most cases Look-Inside only shows you the table of contents and not the first page of each story, which is normally what we use when entering contents. TIA! Ahasuerus 04:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks great! Ofearna 06:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Triskell Tales note

Hi. I accepted your submission of Triskell Tales, but did you really mean to change the limited edition run size from 2000 to 2 in the notes? 2 seems a bit odd for a $40 book.... --MartyD 10:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, no I didn't change the notes. I'll look and make sure it's OK.Ofearna 16:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, approved. Ahasuerus 16:44, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Evelyn Vaughn - Von Jocks - Yvonne Jocks

Hello, I've approved some of your submissions concerning French Harlequins. I took the liberty to rectify the publisher from "Harlequinn" to "Harlequin" and the publication series from "Sexième sens" to "Sixième sens" (sixth sense). I also took the liberty to crrect the title of this pub from french to italian. Note that it's probably better to unmerge this title and make a vt of it.Hauck 16:14, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

There were quite a few things that needed to be done with these titles, probably too much for a new editor to handle, so I went ahead and moved things around to set everything up. Ahasuerus 16:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

And by the way, there is another series called "The Circle", so I have changed this one to "The Circle (Von Jocks)". Ahasuerus 16:45, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Ofearna 17:00, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

And now it's "The Circle (Evelyn Vaughn/Von Jocks)" :-) Ahasuerus 17:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

The covers say "by Evelyn Vaughn" and the copyright (her real name!) is Yvonne Jocks -- so what do we make it say for-true?Ofearna 17:44, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Unlike title records and publication records, there are no specific rules for entering series names, no "variant series" or anything of the sort. We just pick the name that the series is known under and use it. If the same series has appeared in different guises, e.g. Catherine Fisher's second series is known as The Book of the Crow in the UK and as Relic Master in the US, then we use slashes to concatenate the two (or even three) names. The only limitation is that the database field that stores series names is 64 characters long, so anything beyond the first 64 characters will get truncated. (Coincidentally, I am hoping to get it expanded this weekend to allow longer series names.)

In this case, I added "/Von Jocks" to the series name simply to ensure that when people see this series on the Von Jocks Summary Bibliography page, they immediately know what it's all about. It's not cast in stone, though, and can be changed if anyone has a better idea :) Ahasuerus 03:03, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Entering pubs under the proper title record

The submission adding this record was entered under the title record credited to Von Jocks. I have moved it to the title record credited to Evelyn Vaughn. When entering a new pub for an existing title, be sure that both the title and author match before using the "Add Publication to This Title" function. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:24, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

The books themselves don't say Von Jocks ANYWHERE, but since for some reason Von Jocks is the "parent" name all the books are there and none are at Evelyn Vaughn.Ofearna 23:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Crediting illustrators

I accepted your submission of changes to Now We Are Sick, but I reverted your proposed change to the editorship credit that wanted to include "Andrew Smith (Illustrator)". Two things about that:

1. The author/editor entries have no concept of explanatory text. So entering "Andrew Smith (Illustrator)" would not be understood by the system to be referring to "Andrew Smith", with a parenthetical explanation. Rather, it would be understood to be an author named "Andrew Smith (Illustrator)". So unless we're trying to distinguish two different Andrew Smiths (where one is, say, a writer and the other is, say, an artist), no additional information should be included with the name -- definitely nothing about the person's role in the book.
2. We don't generally give illustrators/artists authorship-level credit. To record a book's illustrator, we would make one INTERIORART record credited to that artist, giving the record the same title as the book (and no page number).

Since you entered several INTERIORART credits for Andrew Smith, no additional record is necessary. If Smith were explicitly credited as illustrator somewhere, you could record that credit in the notes (e.g., "Illustrated by Andrew Smith on cover" or "Illustrations copyright by Andrew Smith on copyright page"). --MartyD 12:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Mistaken variant II?

I have another variant submission on hold, for "White Trash Zombie" artwork. It wants to make this interiorart a variant of this novel. --MartyD 10:25, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

the Daniel Dos Santos cover yes, not the whole novel.Ofearna 10:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Headers in Bio and Author wiki pages

I noticed that you created a bio page for Ardath Mayhar, but you removed the BioHeader template which creates a link back to the author's database summary page. When you clicked on the "Bio:Ardath Mayhar" link on the summary page, you were sent to the wiki page to create the biographical page. In the dialogue box there was the BioHeader template, below which there was the following warning:

DO NOT DELETE the above header template. It is used to link this page back to the author's database summary page. If you remove it, there will be no link. This message will not display once the page is edited and saved. PLEASE start additional text below this message.

Was it a conscious choice to delete the template, or did you simply fail to read the warning?

Then I saw that you created a author page for Ardath Mayhar, but kept the AuthorHeader. Good for keeping the header, but this page is for bibliographic information, not biographical data, which is the purpose of the "Bio:Ardath Mayhar" page. There's no logic in repeating data from one page to the other. They each have their own purpose.

You will have to add the BioHeader template back to the "Bio:Ardath Mayhar" page, and then delete the "Author:Ardath Mayhar" page. Mhhutchins 14:08, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

You also deleted the AuthorHeader with the page created for Adam Stemple. And besides, the data you entered there was not bibliographic. It should go on a Bio:Adam Stemple page, and the tone of the information should also be neutral. Regardless of how one feels personally about Jane Yolen as either an author or an individual, the ISFDB is not the place to express it. Mhhutchins 14:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Terazin / Terizan

Hi. I saw your submission go by that changed the series name to Terizan. On what basis did you make the change? The thief character's name is "Terazin", as the series was named before your change. You can see on this cover that it's a-then-i. Are you sure the other way around is correct? --MartyD 15:08, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I was the moderator who accepted the change. When I Googled "Tanya Huff" and "Terizan" I came up with 901 hits. "Terazin" came up with 348 hits. I could not find an authorized website for Huff, so I assumed Ofearna had read the books and was familiar with the spelling of the character's name. So I accepted the submission. Maybe the character's name is spelled differently in different stories? Mhhutchins 21:30, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Interesting. If you search for Terazin Terizan Huff, the first two hits are this review and this Amazon page. Notice the Amazon product description uses "Terazin", but check out the 2nd reviewer's comments on that page. --MartyD 22:34, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

That explains everything. Either Ms. Huff isn't sure what to name her character or she's a bad typist with both a bad proofreader and a bad editor. Mhhutchins 23:28, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Looking at one of the stories now... Terizan is the spelling consistently thru the story.Ofearna 08:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Drawing Down the Moon by Charles Vess

Since you added the image for this publication, I'm hoping you have a copy of the book (the record hasn't been verified so I don't know who entered or updated it.) Can you confirm the contents currently listed there? It has interior art records by Charles de Lint and George R. R. Martin, neither one being known as artists. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

It's in the pile I'm working on ^_^ Ofearna 08:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Title dating

Hi. I have your proposed date change to The Cheese Stands Alone on hold. Copyright date does not necessarily mean date of first publication. The two may differ by several months, and it would not be unusual for something published in early 1982 to have a 1981 copyright. Does Shelf Life say anything about where it was first published? We may have to do a little research to see if it appeared anywhere before that March 1982 Amazing Science Fiction Stories appearance. --MartyD 10:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I added, in the notes, exactly what the copyright page has. Ofearna 11:08, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, since it doesn't tell us when or where it was published, and it looks like our captured publishing history (having the March 1982 publication as first) is corroborated by Contento, I'm going to accept the additional notes but put the date back to 1982-03-00. Thanks for checking. --MartyD 13:50, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

We don't use the copyright statement for dating a record, unless there's no other source for the publication date. Mhhutchins 14:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

ReVisions

Hello, I've put your submission to change artists of this pub from "Kenn Brown" to "Kenn Brown" + "Chris Wren" on hold. As the copyright page indicates only the first name I was wondering what was the source of your data. Can you tell me more ? Thanks. Hauck 12:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The author and that artists' webpages is my source.Ofearna 10:09, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Submission approved and notes modified. Don't forget to notify the primary verifier of your modifications. Hauck 10:29, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Shelf Life

I'm holding the submissions to change the dates of the introduction and foreword in this collection from the publication date (2002-11-00) to 2002-09-08 and 2002-09-05, respectively. What is your source for the dates? Were the pieces published elsewhere before they appeared in this anthology? Mhhutchins 14:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Same situation with the introduction to The New Dead. Mhhutchins 15:15, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The introductions are dated. kind of like our comments here are.Ofearna 10:10, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

We don't use the date the work was written. It should be the date the work is first published. I'll reject the submissions. Mhhutchins 13:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Naked Came the Phoenix

I will be rejecting the submission to add a record of this title to the database. It falls outside the ISFDB Rules of Acquisition #5 as stated here. Mhhutchins 14:53, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Vampires in Love

Submission adding this record was accepted.

• You'll need to remove the white frame from the Amazon image (instructions here under Amazon).
• The page count will have to be changed to "x+430" (I'm assuming the roman-numeraled pages came first in the book.)
• If there is no printed price on the book, record that in the note field.
• You'll have to split the cover artist credit into three individual credits or just credit the person. We try not to credit corporate entities in the artist or author fields unless there's no way around it. In this case, you can give the additional credits in the note field.
• Merge the content title records with any that may be in the db.

Mhhutchins 15:01, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Graven Images

In your submission to update this record, you've edited two of the content records. In the first, you want to change the type of the contributors' notes to ANTHOLOGY. That wouldn't work. You can't have an additional anthology record contained within an anthology publication (there's already one there). It should remain as an ESSAY. I'll change it back. In the other edit, you've changed the introduction title to "Acknowledgments / Introductions". I'll accept it, but please confirm that that's the way the piece is titled and that it's one piece and not two. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't change any "types" and the Introductions/Acknowledgements are together like that.Ofearna 10:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

It may have been a mistake, but the submission changed the notes essay into an anthology. I've already accepted the submission and changed the record back to essay. Mhhutchins 13:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The Ultimate Witch

The submission updating this record has been accepted, but I have a question. How is the publisher stated on the title page? Byron Preiss was a packager, not a publisher. Most sources give the publisher as Dell. Mhhutchins 15:17, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, is the piece by Lars Hokanson on page 222 ("Close") shortfiction or interiorart? Mhhutchins 15:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

It says on the binding/spine, the cover, the back and the copyright page Byron Press Productions and all the work by Lars Hokanson is interior illustration.Ofearna 10:13, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Please re-read my question: How is the publisher stated on the title page?. I thought it would be clear by now that that is where we get the publisher data. I'll correct the Hokanson piece. Mhhutchins 13:30, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

On the title page it says Byron Preiss.Ofearna 17:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Then do a primary verification of the record so that any future editor will know you're the one who confirmed the publisher as being "Byron Preiss Visual Pulications [sic], Inc." Mhhutchins 18:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Was just waiting for the change to show up to do the primary verify.Ofearna 18:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The artwork on page 118 is for a story on page 132 and they have different names. Mhhutchins 20:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The artwork titled "Seven ways to Constantinople" is for the story "Easy Tom and the Seven Highways to Constantinople and All Points South" and both are on page 132. Each story has one illustration on its first page. Ofearna 20:43, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

In most cases, an interiorart record should be titled the same as the work it illustrates. Where did the title for this artwork come from? Mhhutchins 21:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The artwork.Ofearna 21:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. Trying to get a straight answer out of you is becoming a bore. I'll let another moderator deal with your submissions from now on. Mhhutchins 21:48, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I can change the title of the artwork to match the title of the story, if you want.Ofearna 23:43, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Lasting Impressions

Amazon has this title by Deveraux categorized as "Romance - Fantasy" and there's a "ghosts" tag on it. Are you certain there is no spec-fic element in the novel? Mhhutchins 15:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

There's no ghost and the title isn't even Lasting Impressions. It does NOT belong here as SpecFic at all. Neither does Holly, Legend, or Moonlight in the Morning and I'd not include Someone to Love, either.Ofearna 10:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. The submission to delete the publication was accepted. I've also deleted the title record. Mhhutchins 13:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Kelley Armstrong's Stalked

I have placed your edit to merge this title and this title on hold. In that merge, you are changing the date to 2007 where as the earliest listed publication is 2008. Do you have a source for the 2007 date? -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I added it to the notes on that story. The copyright info on that story said that it was (C) 2007 originally published at KelleyArmstrong.com. And the 1221749 pub has copyright date of 2007 b/c I usually just go with the earliest one there for the proper date, so someone accepted 2007 at some point. Ofearna 18:02, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I accepted the merge. However, you did not add a note to that affect; nor do I see one pending. Since you have the information, please add the note about the original source. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:16, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Now that it's accepted I'll go change it to the earliest published date, which (I believe) is what it's supposed to be. THANKS! Ofearna 22:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Follow "clear" directions

Why is it so difficult to understand the instructions I've given for how to use this page? I've brought this to your attention before, but you continue to ignore me. Until the point you're able to follow instructions, do not make changes to any record which I've primary verified. Just leave a note on my talk page. The note you attempted to add to the record ("copyright page clearly states...") is quite snarky, and is "clearly" a remark aimed at me. A simple note on my talk page would have sufficed. I'll make the changes to the record. Mhhutchins 20:00, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I was not trying to be snarky. I was not absolutely certain it we used "photograph" as cover art credit. Sorry for sounding snarky.Ofearna 20:08, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

The Urban Fantasy Anthology Title Record Edit

I have rejected the addition of the following note to The Urban Fantasy Anthology:

I made the cover by compiling photos purchased from various royalty-free stock sites, primarily dreamstime.com and istockphoto.com. Stock means that the artist/photographer put these images on the web for sale so that graphic designers like myself can incorporate them into their designs. Royalty-free means that we do not pay an additional fee for re-using the image once we have purchased it, and that others are free to purchase the same images for their own use. The individual elements of the cover--the model, walkway, blue spotlight, etc--come from different artists/photographers and we paid to use them (except for the shirt the woman is wearing, which I created from scratch), but the compilation of these images as they appear on the Urban Fantasy cover is mine. This is why I am credited as the designer, not the photographer. I hope this answers any questions you may have Thanks for your interest, Elizabeth

I'm not sure this level of detail belongs in the database (it may be better suited for the wiki), but if it is to be included:

1. It wouldn't belong in the anthology title record's note. It would go on the cover title record's note.
2. It should be re-worded to be third person, provide context, and be much more concise.

However, I recommend that if you want to re-submit it, you re-word it to a more acceptable format and, prior to submitting it, bring it up at the Rules and standards discussions to see if there is consensus for this level of detail. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:03, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I actually emailed the folks (specifically Elizabeth Story) asking who did the artwork and above was her answer, so I added her to the cover artist field. In the book itself it just says "Cover and interior design by Elizabeth Story" -- thought it'd be nice to add her note, but I can see why you rejected it; thanks for your help.Ofearna 05:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

The Urban Fantasy Anthology Publication Record Edit

I had to reject your edit to The Urban Fantasy Anthology publication record. First, the cover artist should be recorded in the cover artist field. Second, you had a subsequent edit that changed the note field again. Edits are not additive. You need to wait for one edit to go through before you edit the same record again. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:14, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look it over in the morning with the book then verify it. Can't usually do that detail-oriented checking once the meds I have to take in the evening check into my system--though if I skip the meds I can work til sunup.Ofearna 06:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

“The Ship Who...” ?

Hi! Your submission to change the series title to “The Ship Who...” would change every series title, is this your intention? The original appears to be well established. Did you want to make “The Ship Who...” a parent title and use “The Ship Who Sang” as a sub title? I ask this because a later submission added one of the shortstories to the “The Ship Who Sang” series. Thanks!Kraang 02:12, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

"The Ship Who Sang" refers specifically to Helva, but some of the novels/stories in this series have no Helva. PartnerShip "stars" Nancia, The Ship Who Searched is Tia/Hypatia Cade, The City Who Fought is Channa The Ship Who Won is Carialle. So, the series is The Ship Who... not Sang, since that was just Helva. Oddly enough, the Brain/Brawn Ship Who books crosses over into the Crystal Singer Universe in one of the Helva stories (opera related), the FT&T Universe when a shell-person is transported by a Talent in one story and the Doona Universe in "Duty Calls" where the shell-person's brawn is Hrruban. I don't know if those stories are considered Canon, so they can stay separated. Thanks! Ofearna 17:54, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll approve the submission. Thanks!Kraang 00:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Mirror of Dreams

I noticed you entered the contents for this artbook. I added (cover) to most of the items to conform with the ISFDB standard, and vt'd them to the original cover art. Also added notes, pagenumbers and the frontispiece. Please check. Thanks, --Willem H. 17:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, I was going to link the interior arts to the covers they were painted for like all the other art books I've seen here. Also, there are no page numbers. Gracias!Ofearna 17:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh! Hey!!! you already did the links! Ofearna 17:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrections, approved the last of them this morning. Book looks a lot better now. --Willem H. 07:27, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I have an entire bookshelf of art books, most of which are collections of cover art. I also have trading card sets but they don't belong here, so....Ofearna 17:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

It's good to have an editor actually entering his her art collection. I have some 250 SF-art books, but it will be years before I can do some serious editing. The Dutch collection has priority now, and then there's the ever ongoing Perry Rhodan series, and the reference library... Finding the original cover art, and linking the illustration takes an awful lot of time, more than I have at the moment. Keep up the good work! --Willem H. 19:08, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm a "her", but this is a great source site for building fanpages and it couldn't hurt to help others.--Susan Ofearna 16:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. We don't see many women here. --Willem H. 18:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Kissing Frogs

Hello, you submitted a change for the above titled piece. What is the exact title of the piece (stated probably on page 9 of the book)? Is it Kissing Frogs (Introduction) or Introduction: Kissing Frogs or just Kissing Frogs? I have put your submission on hold while waiting for your answer. Stonecreek 12:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

It's "Kissing Frogs ¶ Introduction" Ofearna 16:21, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, is that what you'd like to see after your sub.? Stonecreek 17:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what you're asking...Ofearna

The Wind Between the Stars

Hi. I accepted your submission of The Wind Between the Stars and made a couple of changes to it:

• I altered the publisher from "J.M. Dent & Sons, Ltd" to "J. M. Dent" to match the sole entry we have. We've recently been trying to keep down the proliferation of variations of publisher names, where reasonable. Here, the notes for J. M. Dent already covered the "& Sons", so it seemed reasonable. Also, don't forget spaces after periods on initials.
• I copied the OCLC numbers you provided in the moderator notes into the publication notes. Notes to the moderator disappear when the submission is processed, so anything that ought to be preserved should go into the publication notes.
• CHAPTERBOOKs are a little bit like 1-entry collections. They need to be given an additional content item that is the short work published as the CHAPTERBOOK. I added that and merged it with the existing record for the short story.

Thanks. --MartyD 22:36, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

The World of the Dark Crystal

What was your source for the price given in this record? Mhhutchins 15:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

The "collector's edition" has the same price? Mhhutchins 15:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

And this British edition has the same price in US dollars. Mhhutchins 15:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I left the price alone when I cloned b/c the source was Worldcat.org I have no clue what the cover prices were on these. Thanks!Ofearna 16:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Checked with FantasticFiction.co.UK and was able to get a price on the collector's edition -- have edited all 3 for minor details and put $ as price on the other two since I'm clueless. BTW, Morning! UghOfearna 16:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Price field

You should leave the price field blank if you don't have a source for it. The only exception is adding the currency symbol, but you must be certain of it. Don't enter a question mark into the field. Mhhutchins 17:05, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

thanks!!! Ofearna 18:21, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Brian Froud's Goblins and How to See Faeries

Are you certain that these works have no fictional/facetious content, making them nonfiction instead? The first is a children's pop-up book, and would not likely be nonfiction. But I have neither book and can't know. Perhaps you have more information that can help determine how to type the book. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

After work, I'll check.Ofearna 22:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the one I've got is Brian Froud's Goblins, but it and the Lady Cottington books (album, book, letters and strange stains) are all fiction. World of Froud, Faeries, The Runes of Elfland, and Good Faeries/Bad Faeries are all facetiously non-fiction describing the personalities and attributes of certain individual Faeries and types of Fae. But, since they're mainly text to accompany art and not the other way around, I'm not sure how I'd classify them. Your interpretation? I'll check back in the morning for your reply. Thanks! Ofearna 04:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Most children's books that are mainly art with accompanying text are entered as chapterbooks, with two content records: one for the art and the other for the text, which is usually typed as shortfiction. I would suspect that Goblins (the pop-up book) would qualify as such. A description of How to See Faeries in a customer review on Amazon implies that there is a sort of narrative, not just captioned artwork. In that case, I would recommend that it remain typed as chapterbook with the current two content records. Mhhutchins 05:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

So I should cancel those two?Ofearna 06:11, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

If you agree that the book is more fiction than nonfiction, I think you should, but that's up to you. I can release the hold and let another moderator look it over. If they were just artbooks without any fictional text or captioning, they would be typed as nonfiction. Mhhutchins 15:01, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Lady Cottington's Pressed Fairy Book

I rejected the submission adding the Barnes & Noble edition of this title, because there already is a record for it in the database. Also, a 64 page story is a chapterbook with a shortfiction record content, not a novel. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:58, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I accepted the submission adding this new edition but changed it from NOVEL to CHAPTERBOOK. Are you certain it's hardcover, for £4.99? That's a bargain, even in 2000. Mhhutchins 15:02, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

It's a a "pocket" hardcover...Ofearna 16:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see it's a miniature printing. Mhhutchins 15:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

You saw ^_^!!!!Ofearna 16:50, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Master Snickup's Cloak: A medieval story

Hello, I rejected your submission regarding the above mentioned interior illustration. MASTER SNICKUP’S CLOAK should stay normalized in a spelling without capitals only. In addition, the title remains unclear: is it ’A medieval story wherein everyone dies horribly’ or ’One morning it was... The Middle Ages’, as the caption suggests? Stonecreek 18:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

There's not really a title... the picture itself says "one morning it was ... The Middle Ages", but the caption to the side describes what I'd put. I don't know what exactly to use as the title... Ofearna 18:56, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

de Lint's Pastiches

I'm holding the submissions to place four stories into a series titled "Pastiches". Is this an author-recognized designation for these stories? Is there any common thread about them other than that they're pastiches? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

In the book Woods & Waters Wild, he's broken these early stories down into series with the last stories labelled Miscellany. The introduction explains that these stories occur in basically the same derivative world collectively modeled after the fantasy works of Lord Dunsany and William Morris among others. Ofearna 00:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this grouping of the stories would constitute a real title series. I'll keep the submission on hold if you'd like to start a discussion on one of the community pages. Mhhutchins 01:49, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

SFBC printing of The Harlequin

There's already a record for the SFBC printing. You should not have tried to change the record for the second printing of the trade edition into a SFBC printing. Mhhutchins 01:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I did an ISBN search to find the one to edit... is there any way I can SEE the information I'd entered that you rejected? Thanks. Ofearna 01:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Not once it's rejected. Maybe someone higher up can pull up. Keep in mind, and I've pointed this out to you several times, SFBC printings are not entered the same way other editions are entered. Go to the link that I gave you in this message for the explanation of why they're handled differently, and how to do it. To recap, if the SFBC reprints another publisher's edition, we record the SFBC ID number (usually printed only on the back of the book's dustjacket, but not inside) in the ISBN / Catalog # field, and the ISBN of the trade edition (if stated on the SFBC printing's copyright page) goes into the Note field. I rejected the submission because you wanted to change the record for the second printing of the trade edition into the SFBC printing. Go to the link that I gave you above for the record of the SFBC printing and see if it matches your copy, then update it if necessary...but DO NOT record the ISBN stated in the book in the record's ISBN / Catalog # field. That number goes in the Note field. Mhhutchins 04:58, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. Still makes no sense to me why it was decided to ignore the ISBN, but I'll probably remember it better from now on. Ofearna 06:49, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Only ignore the ISBN if the book is a reprinting of another publisher's edition. Quite often the SFBC (or its parent Bookspan) will publish books that are unique to the club, and when they do they more often than not assign their own ISBNs to the publication. This include books that are hardcover editions of other the original publisher's softcover edition, even they will still credit the original publisher, even though the SFBC is the exclusive publisher of the hardcover edition. On the SFBC entry help page, I've listed the SFBC-assigned ISBN ranges. Those numbers should be entered in the ISBN/Catalog # field of the record. Then the SFBC ID number (printed on the back of the dustjacket) goes into the note field. This is all explained on the SFBC entry help page. Mhhutchins 20:00, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

I accepted the submission to update the SFBC printing. In the Note to Moderator you said "no clue where the price came from". It comes from Locus #569 (June 2008), which was stated in the Note field before you updated the record. I should know, because I created the record. Mhhutchins 05:05, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I've noticed that sometimes the price changes from one month to the next in the SFBC flyer, so using the Locus guide as a source seems reasonable and (gasp ^_^ ) logical. Thanks for answering the questions and explaining the reasoning.Ofearna 06:49, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Because the books themselves are not physically priced, we have to use a secondary source: either the SFBC catalog (the most reliable) or the listings in Locus (although they don't get copies anymore so all info must come from the club's catalog.) And we only list the price when it was first offered, because, as you say, the price can change over a period of months or years. Only when the title has a new edition do we create a new record for it. Again, this is explained in more detail here. Mhhutchins 20:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)