User talk:MLB/Archive/2015Jul-Dec
Analog september
Hello, I've approved your submission (and linked review of Sparhawk's collection to a created record) but I saw you've credited the reviews to DAN Sakers, shouldn't it be DON Sakers?.Hauck 13:32, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
- Oh gosh yes. Will correct. MLB 01:51, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
High Adventure
Hi Mark. I see that you, I and Biomassbob have entered the issues for High Adventure magazine. When you look at the grid, there are three different ways the issues are shown. I was hoping we could agree on a standard format for the sake of consistency and appearance. Most of them now are in the format "High Adventure #88" which ends up showing the whole title in the grid, which seems like overkill to me. Following what was already there, I entered mine that same way. Bob has entered the format "High Adventure, #88 May 2006" which shows up as "#88 May". I think the latter is the way to go. The number of the issue seems to be emphasized more strongly than the date, so I think it's appropriate that it be included along with the date. I will invite Bob to join the discussion. What do you all think? Doug / Vornoff 04:10, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Doug, I'm not sure I come up with where the comma is deliberately, but I agree that it seems to be a useful way to go for 'zines that come out on a somewhat irregular schedule like this one. Bob 16:55, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- However you came across it, Bob, it seems to me like a good way to go. In a conversation on Michael's talkpage he mentions that if a periodical makes a point of putting the issue number on its cover, it is recommended that the number be given in the title. It's not required but that was a very helpful observation to me. Basically, if you have to go searching around for the number inside, don't use it in the title (unless of course there's no date at all) but when it IS displayed on the title, like so many of the fanzines/semiprozines do the way you've done it seems the best way to me. I know that we're not consistent all the time but this might be a way to start. That's why I started this conversation, so I hope we can come up with some consensus when Mark jumps in. Doug / Vornoff 18:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- Seems to me that the number of the issue is always on the spine of the issue, and it's always on the title page. I've seen issues of magazines, not High Adventure, listed as "High Adventure, #88 May 2006", "High Adventure, #88, May 2006" and "High Adventure #88, May 2006". And I have been guilty of not being too consistent myself, so, if it is decided to list the High Adventures as "High Adventure, #88 May 2006" I'll go along with that and go back and change my listings. MLB 02:13, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, there doesn't seem to be any numbers or dates on the covers - probably going for that original look. But the # is definitely more prominent than the date, so why don't we go ahead and change our respective issues to "High Adventure, #88 May 2006. I'll go and submit mine now. Thanks for your input, Doug / Vornoff 04:01, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Seems to me that the number of the issue is always on the spine of the issue, and it's always on the title page. I've seen issues of magazines, not High Adventure, listed as "High Adventure, #88 May 2006", "High Adventure, #88, May 2006" and "High Adventure #88, May 2006". And I have been guilty of not being too consistent myself, so, if it is decided to list the High Adventures as "High Adventure, #88 May 2006" I'll go along with that and go back and change my listings. MLB 02:13, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- However you came across it, Bob, it seems to me like a good way to go. In a conversation on Michael's talkpage he mentions that if a periodical makes a point of putting the issue number on its cover, it is recommended that the number be given in the title. It's not required but that was a very helpful observation to me. Basically, if you have to go searching around for the number inside, don't use it in the title (unless of course there's no date at all) but when it IS displayed on the title, like so many of the fanzines/semiprozines do the way you've done it seems the best way to me. I know that we're not consistent all the time but this might be a way to start. That's why I started this conversation, so I hope we can come up with some consensus when Mark jumps in. Doug / Vornoff 18:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Blood 'n' Thunder # 25
Changed type on Epistolary Exchange from shortfiction to essay for the above. Doug / Vornoff 06:30, 21 July 2015 (UTC) Also added artist For "Sentinel" on issue 34 interior art as Mitch Foust. Signature is visible and matches sig on this record. Doug / Vornoff 06:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. MLB 03:24, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Facsimile of the March 1939 issue of Startling
I'm holding an edit to add the cover artist for the March 1939 issue of Startling Stories based on the credit in your verified copy of the facsimile of the same issue. I'm curious as to how or where the credit is noted in the facsimile. Is there some additional material aside from the facsimile of the issue itself that notes the artist? Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:50, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
- As soon as I can track it down I'll check. MLB 22:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
- I'm shocked, Shocked, SHOCKED!!!, I found the facsimile on the first try. There is no credit on the facsimile's contents page, and the cover is not signed, however, the credit is given as Howard V. Brown on the back cover. Hope this helps. MLB 23:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Redsine
Are you certain that you're updating this record based on the original Australian edition and not a US reprint? Mhhutchins 00:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- There are two versions?!? Who knew? On the back cover the price of the magazine is in US dollars, but the magazine's address is given as PO Box 1287, Toowong, QLD 4066, Australia. The ISBN is the same. I also have the tenth issue. Let me know. MLB 00:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- I didn't know until you changed the publisher name to Prime Books, a US company. I think you should make a separate record for them and then merge the titles. Mhhutchins 02:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Does your copy explicitly credit Trent Jamieson as the co-editor? This page only credits Nurrish. Mhhutchins 02:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Realms of Fantasy, February 2008
Hi Mark. Can you check your verified copy of the above? You have two essays by "Reesa Nelson" and one by "Resa Nelson", the name that is used in all her other appearances. Thanks. Doug / Vornoff 00:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
- Wow! That magazine may be in storage, I'll start looking for it. I may have to withdraw my primary verification if it doesn't turn up. MLB 02:27, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Inhuman
Please confirm the publisher given for this issue and the author credit for "The Horror in the Attic" on page 31. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Contents page: "A Die, Monster, Die! Publication". Yes, you're right. The story is credited to Robert Silverberg this time around. Will change. Sorry. MLB 03:01, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Please change the publisher credit to "A Die, Monster, Die! Publication". Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:03, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Changed. Although, would we list a DAW book as A DAW Book Publication? MLB 03:06, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yes we would, if that was how the publisher was given on the title pages of the majority of their books. Mhhutchins 03:16, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, now I know. MLB 03:28, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Variants and pseudonyms
Don't forget: you can't make a variant unless you also make sure that the pseudonym relationship has been created. It's not done automatically. Please do this for Allen K. and Allen K. Both of them are sitting there without any titles, just waiting to be made into pseudonyms. You don't have to wait until the submissions to variant have been moderated. It can be done simultaneously (and should be lest you forget.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:44, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- Will do. Also, my computer is malfunctioning somewhat today. For some reason it ate the corrected page count for the Northern Frights submission. Will correct when approved. MLB 03:56, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Contributers?
Please check the spelling of the content you added to this record. Also, is this a substantial work that warrants a record? Otherwise the policy frowns upon such content records. Mhhutchins 05:26, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's three pages in length. MLB 02:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Analog 2015-10
Hello, I've changed the title of McAllister's story from _My Brother's Crab_ to _My Father's Crab_. Note also that I don't think that the editorial is really made of reviews (if it's so any text discussing others should be classified this way), but it's your call. Hauck 08:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for changing McAllister's title, I guess I messed up. However, as I explained in the notes the stories are given detailed plot synopsizes and editorial opinions, but you're right in that I should elaborate on what the editorial is about and I will change this. I'm sorry that I took so long to get back to you. MLB 04:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Ghosts & Scholars #29
Can you confirm the two credits for Douglas Walter in this publication (cover and essay)? He is credited as Douglas Walters for the back cover, and in all other publications (in this periodical and others). Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 16:46, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, you're correct. Will change. MLB 04:00, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Improper cover image upload
This file was improperly uploaded. Please use the link on the publication record. Let me know when you've done this so that I can delete this file from the server. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- I believe that I got it right this time. Sorry. MLB 02:23, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Adding a NOVEL content record
You created two publications yesterday for novels (Enchanted by the Wolf and The Immortal's Redemption), and then added a content record of a NOVEL-type for each of them. A title reference for the NOVEL is automatically created by the system. By adding another content for the NOVEL, there were duplicate title records, two identical ones in each publication. Mhhutchins 20:17, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, now I know. Sorry. MLB 02:11, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Missing data in primary verified records
Please add the publication format/binding data missing from the records of publications which you have verified. The publication records are linked in this clean-up report under your user name. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 19:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- Done. MLB 01:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
David Longhord / Longhorn
Can you confirm the credits for this author who is variously credited in the same issue of Ghosts & Scholars? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 04:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
- Ah yes, the joys of typing with your fists. Corrected. MLB 03:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Allen K's Inhuman #5
Hi. In your verified pub of the above, I have some questions:
1. As I understand it, if interior artwork is untitled it should be given the name/issue of the magazine it's found in, not "untitled" as you have done throughout the issue. So instead of, for example, on p. 12 you have: untitled (Allen K's Inhuman Magazine #5, Fall 2011) [3], shouldn't it be: Allen K's Inhuman Magazine #5, Fall 2011 [3]?
2. P.92- Schweitzer's poem should be "poem" instead of "interior art"
3. The interior art you show as on p.93 is actually on p.95.
4. The interior art on p.139 you have credited to Schweitzer; it should be by Koszowski.
5. The interior art you show as on p. 160 is actually on p.72.
6. The story you have on p.187 should actually start on p.186, the page where the interior art for the story starts.
7. The story you have on p.201 should actually start on p.200, the page where the interior art for the story starts.
8. As to your total pages, there aren't any Roman Numerals, so why not just give the pages as 212, the actual page count as it says in the help for magazines and just make a note that pagination does not include the covers?
So, let me know if you agree with any of this. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 00:55, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
- Sadly, due to the chaos that is happening in my life right now, that magazine seems to have disappeared in my storage space. Also, this one of my first postings on this site, so I'll correct my mistakes based on your knowledge. Thanks for the tips. MLB 01:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
- How can the artwork on "page 160" be on 72 if the story it illustrates is still on page 160? Also, as I can't find my copy right now, please feel free to correct the page count. MLB 01:43, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Default display of non-English translations
When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying all translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.
I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! Ahasuerus 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Title of Allen K's Inhuman Magazine and other points
Hi Mark. Looks like you and I are inputting data for Allen K's Inhuman Magazine - or - Inhuman (depending on how you look at it). I've been honestly wondering what the title should be. On the one hand each issue's cover shows "Allen K's Inhuman Magazine" (with "Inhuman" shown in large letters), each issue's spine & ToC page shows the same wording. On the other hand, each issue's indicia shows either "Inhuman" or "Inhuman!". The help for titles for magazines says: "For the title of a magazine, the best source is the information (often below the table of contents) about the publisher, giving the address; this often says something like "IF is published monthly by . . . ."" It goes on to say if this is not available use the cover, ToC or spine title. I've been going by the 'letter of the law' and started titling some issues I've done as "Inhuman" or "Inhuman!", leaving a note saying what the title is in the other locations. I'd really like your opinion on this because whichever way it goes it should probably be uniform.<bc>
On another related point, I've gotten advice saying that if the magazine number is displayed on the cover, either with or without the date shown (in this case not shown) that the title should have a comma after the name, with the number (and date if any) after it, thereby revealing the issue number in the grid. Would you be in agreement with this? You can see the results of the couple I've done in the grid. Having the whole title show up (whichever it ends up being), like in #6, when the title is in the header above, seems a little overkill.
Also, I see you've re-done #5 and removed the "untitled" and made other corrections. The only thing I would say would be that the parentheses around the interior art records that you changed should be eliminated to conform with all the other similar untitled interior art records in the db. Also, I my screw-up between page 72 and 172 caused one interior art record to be dropped (the one on p.72). If you want, I could make these corrections, add the art back in and adjust the disambiguation numbers, but I wanted to check with you first. Thanks for any input. Doug / Vornoff 17:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- Please go ahead. MLB 23:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- I made the changes as talked about above. Also mentioned my title question to Michael, about whether to change to Inhuman or leave it as Allen K's Inhuman Magazine and he said, "I believe the title should remain, since it is so prominently used on the cover. The rule about using the indicia title is too esoteric in my opinion. That was hidden in the standards when I first arrived here, but I don't recall ever looking at an indicia or masthead to get the "official" title of a periodical in the hundreds of records I've created. Running headers/footers are almost always abbreviated so that's inconsequential." So I changed back the two that I had title "Inhuman" and made any contents changes necessary. It should all be pretty consistent now, keeping the longer title throughout. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 05:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Author uncredited
Two of your recently PV'd publications have an item attributed to uuncredited (with a double u). These are the only works in the database attributed to uuncredited. Could you please double check them. Thanks Kevin 18:34, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
- They have been corrected. MLB 23:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
"Imprint / Publisher"
The publisher format given in this record would indicate that Thorndike Press is an imprint of Thorndike Clean Reads. Actually, the publisher is Thorndike Press and Thorndike Clean Reads is the publication series. I left it as submitted so that you can see the difference. You can correct it or I will. Your choice. Mhhutchins|talk 04:41, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- I have corrected this. I was unsure how this was done. Now I know. MLB 04:49, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- But you made "Thorndike Clean Reads" into an imprint. It's a publication series. Look at what should always be your first choice for a secondary source, the OCLC record. Mhhutchins|talk 06:22, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'll correct the record. Mhhutchins|talk 15:07, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
For this record, the publication series appears to be "An Avalon Mystery". Was the name you gave from a source different than the cover image? There's no mention of a series in the OCLC record, and the LoC website appears to be down at this time. Mhhutchins|talk 04:46, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- Saw it here. Maybe I was wrong. I can correct. Unfortunately, Amazon's look inside feature is of no help. MLB 05:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- The only thing I see is "An Avalon Mystery", not "Avalon Mysteries". Or is it somewhere else other than the cover image? (As I asked above.) Mhhutchins|talk 06:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- No, I was mistaken. I'll correct. MLB 06:09, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- I have read the second book in the series and while it states that this book is an Avalon Mystery, nowhere in the book does it state this. I suspect that this is just a generic publication description, not a real series. MLB 06:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Chimeraworld #3
Can you confirm the author credit for the story "Feed the Machine" in this publication? Could it possibly be Michael de Kler? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 01:29, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
- This place wouldn't be the same without you. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. MLB 02:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Book dealer listings as source
It's probably been brought to your attention before, but you may have forgotten that we try to use book dealer listings as a source for data. Especially in a case of such a recent book as this one. Your first secondary source should be OCLC. If you had checked there you would have seen that the ISBN you gave is incorrect (should be the ISBN-13 for a 2011 publication). I'll correct the ISBN and give the OCLC record as the source. Please keep this in mind when creating records for books not in your hands. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 03:56, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
ISBN from Amazon
Re the ISBN you gave for this record: your source (Amazon) states: "Page Numbers Source ISBN: 0765366134". That doesn't mean it's the publication's ISBN. It means that the number of pages came from another publication (a printed one). I will remove the ISBN from the record. Even if this were the ISBN of the 2010 ebook, it would have been an ISBN-13 and not the ISBN-10. Please keep that in mind when using secondary sources for data. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 04:50, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
Amelia Gallant
I could find nothing about this publication, either on the source you give or the authors' website. Please provide a link to the source here. Also, did you "blow-up" the cover image? That may be why it's so bad. Mhhutchins|talk 00:52, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I couldn't find anything about this book on Amazon or the publisher's website either. I suspect that this was an eBook and either withdrawn from the market by the publisher, or canceled by the authors. The review can be found here:. I wonder if the review was based on a promo copy. The publisher does exist however and can be found right here. I stumbled on this site will looking up something else.
- I "lifted" the image from this site, but it didn't look good to begin with. I can add a note stating that information on this book is sketchy. MLB 02:12, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
- I suppose you could contact the authors through their website to see if the book was every commercially available. I just found it odd that they didn't list it in their bibliography. Mhhutchins|talk 04:09, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Another bad ISBN
Re this publication: a book published in 2001 can't have an ISBN-13. Please keep this in mind when using secondary sources for data. Please correct the record when you get a chance. Mhhutchins|talk 07:55, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Zoo
A few problems with this publication: It was entered as English, probably as a user default. The publisher should just be "Goldmann", and "Thriller" shouldn't be part of the title. Also 384 is the print length, not the page estimate. I recommend using the exact statement that Amazon uses: "Print Length: 384 pages". It is also optional but recommended that you add Amazon's ASIN in the Note field. I'll let you fix the record when you get a chance.
I suggest that it may be "above your pay scale" to create records for non-English language publications from secondary sources, but I'll let you make the final decision.
Also, don't forget to variant the title to the English title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 06:52, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'll try harder in the future. MLB 04:11, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Ghosts & Scholars #29
Re the cover art credit of this record: is the front cover a collaboration between two artists, or did you intend that the second cover art credit to be for the back cover? Mhhutchins|talk 06:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I don't know. Due to reasons beyond my control, including the hospitalization of myself, and the multiple hospitalizations of my mother, some things seem to have gotten lost or misplaced. I'm looking, but until then I'll transient verify this entry, and I'll correct it when this issue is located. Again, I'm sorry. MLB 01:57, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Legal name field
Re this author: the legal name field must be in the format "LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME". I can't tell which of those is the last name, so please update the data when you get a chance. Mhhutchins|talk 05:12, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Review of PKD "Second Variety"
Is the review in this issue of the collection or the short story? The system looks for matching book titles before it looks for shortfiction titles. If the review is of the short story, you'll have to manually re-link it to the correct title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 03:43, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
- Hopefully it's corrected now. MLB 03:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Analog December 2015
Hello, I've uploaded a scan, changed Crispr to CRISPR in Cramer's essay and created a title record for Awke Chimera and linked review for this issue. Hauck 16:20, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you. MLB 06:00, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Asimov December 2015
Hello, I've uploaded a cover scan and make minor corrections ("Wave" changed to "Waves", "Away" to "Aways") to this issue. Hauck 15:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
- I'm so embarrassed. I thought I had downloaded a cover scan. Thank you. MLB 06:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Gardens of Earthly Delight
Hi Mark. In your verified above, do you want to change the publisher as you show it (Raw Dog Screaming) to the normalized name Raw Dog Screaming Press? Yours is the only one without "Press". Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 22:31, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
- Done.MLB 06:05, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Blood 'N' Thunder #36 & 37
Hi! In the above, I submitted a correction for the title of the Bedford-Jones essay and added that it was an excerpt (from the complete 1929 non-fiction book) Doug / Vornoff 23:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Poems as part of a novel
Re this publication: Please remove and delete the poems which you've added as contents. They are part of the novel and shouldn't be considered as separate works. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 08:17, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
- Are you sure? Many of these verses, like "Jabberwocky" have been reprinted separately elsewhere see The Hunting of the Snark and other Nonsense Verse as an example. MLB 05:38, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Just because a piece appears separately from the novel doesn't make it not part of the novel. By the same same logic, would you add content records for excerpts from novels to a publication record for the novel? Would you add content records for the previously published works that were used to create a fix-up novel to the publication record? Would you add a content record for "Baby Is Three" to every edition of More Than Human? I would say no, because a novel is an entity unto itself, whole and complete. If you would say yes, please start a discussion on the Rules and Standards page. Mhhutchins|talk 08:33, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
- Ah heck Mike, if you wanna fight dirty and use logic and all, then how can I argue my case? I still think exceptions should be made, but I ain't gonna let this be my Waterloo.
- **Grump**Grump**Whine**Whine**Snivel** Okay, will do. MLB 03:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- You can use the Note field of the parent title record to list and link all of the poems included in the novel. This data is title specific, not publication specific. This will save you from adding a note to several hundred publication records. See, I can use logic and be downright helpful, too! :) Mhhutchins|talk 04:11, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- Started the process. Will do half now and the other half later. MLB 05:22, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
- All done, the only poems left that are listed are those that are not included in the body of the novel. MLB 05:57, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
- Halfway there. Now you have to delete all of the records you created and then removed from the publication. They're the ones (like this one) which don't have a publication record attached to them. Mhhutchins|talk 17:30, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Treasury of American Mystery Stories
Please flag those stories in this publication which have no speculative element as "non-genre". I've also changed the credit for the introduction, based on the assumption that "The Editors" was just a shortcut for "the editors" and not a pseudonym. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 20:17, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Done. I have also got the new Analog and Asimov's today and will enter them soon. MLB 08:48, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Ghosts: Recent Hauntings
Regarding Ghosts: Recent Hauntings: I added the cover image. I also made two changes to the contents:
- page 15: I changed the credit from Rick Bowes to Richard Bowes
- page 348: I changed the title from "Mrs Midnight" to "Mrs. Midnight"
Both changes are to match the respective story title page within the publication. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
- Okay. Thanks for the corrections. MLB 08:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
Stories for Girls
I'm not sure what would be the value of adding a publication record for a non-genre anthology which contains a single story of speculative fiction. You can imagine that there are thousands of such publications. Such records tend to dilute the purpose of the database. Not only would you be adding a title record for a non-genre publication, you're also adding author summary pages (for the editor and illustrator) for persons who have no, or very little, connection to the sf field. If you just want to add a title record for the spec-fic story, there's a better way to do that without adding a publication record, and without going through the effort you've made here. If this were a significant story which has been republished within the sf field, an justification could be made to accept such a record. Or perhaps I'm overlooking a reason to add this non-genre publication to a spec-fic database? Mhhutchins|talk 03:39, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
- I pass absolutely no judgment on any publications worth. At least not here. Just because this publication is full of stories for young girls, and the editor, the illustrator, the author, and the cover artist, at present, have little connection with the speculative field is a weak argument for exclusion. If this database is to be as complete as possible, it also has to as inclusive as possible. If you check out my link to my Amazon reviews you will find that I read a wide rainbow of crap, er, um, popular literature. If we were to use your suggested guidelines then somebody will have to go through this site like the grim reaper and start eliminating all men's and women's magazines that contain just one piece of speculative fiction. Ditto for story collections and other more mainstream anthologies. I was given the impression that this was a reference site, and I know that it was a vital source at the late lamented Borders, and has been used at Barnes & Noble, and as such, it shouldn't be exclusive to only recognized authors. This is a slippery slope, after all, what about singleton authors of novels? Are we to say that we're cluttering up the database with their works, and if so, how many pieces of fiction does one have to publish to be considered for this database? What if any of the contributors suddenly make a comeback and publish a great deal in this genre? Who is anybody to judge somebody's worthiness? Is porn not worthy, while the explicit sexual, and erotic, content of some of the mainstream publishers is worthy? Again, a writer's worthiness should not be judged by their genre (young adult, erotica) or their presently perceived obscurity. I've agreed with many of the rules of this site, and I know that I'm still just a newbie at this, but this idea of judging an author for inclusion based on their "knownability" just sounds wrong. MLB 05:35, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- I think we're having a misunderstanding here. I didn't judge either the story or the author of the story. In fact, I didn't question the admission of the spec-fic story at all. It was for the publication. We currently do not have any guidelines for adding non-genre book publications, as we clearly have guidelines for adding non-genre perdiodicals of "men's and women's magazines that contain just one piece of speculative fiction." Those rules make sure that the editors aren't credited, thus avoiding the situation that I hope that I'd clearly made in my original post. As for non-genre collections, they are covered under the rules, if the author is considered a spec-fic writer (like Asimov's mystery collections.)
- Again, I'm not judging the "worth" of the author and the spec-fic story. If you'd re-read my original post, that was never the problem. It was about the integrity of the database and its purpose. I don't believe anyone would (or should) expect that the ISFDB contain a record for non-genre publications of this kind. As I said, there is a way to add a record for the story and not the publication. So I have created a record for the story. Please look it over and see if it satisfies your desire to add it to the database. If so, please cancel your submission. If not, I'll continue to hold the submission, so that you can start a discussion on the ISFDB:Rules and standards discussions page. Mhhutchins|talk 16:26, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
- It's been more than a week without a response, so I'm assuming you're satisfied with the addition of a record for the spec-fic story. I've rejected the submission adding a record for the non-genre publication. Mhhutchins|talk 05:35, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
- No, I still disagree, but due to things happening in my life right now I really can't do much about it. The girl's stories book is the second of three, so if the others contain a speculative story each do we just continue to ignore the editor? I'm a true obsessive bean counter, so take that into consideration. Discovering really obscure things to put on this site is one of my joys, even if it makes some moderators want to tear out their hair.
- By the way, if I list my email on this site will it be public or only seen by the moderators? MLB 07:30, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
BCE of Masterpieces of Fantasy and Wonder
Can you check the front flap of the dust jacket of this publication to see if it carries the slug line "Book Club Edition"? I'm trying to narrow down when Doubleday stopped indicating that in their book club editions. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 20:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry to take so long to get back to you. Family medical problems. I am looking for this book. Recently much stuff went into storage and this book will probably turn up when I least expect it. Still, I'm looking. MLB 07:05, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
- Take your time. No rush. It's more an intellectual exercise than anything necessary for the database. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 03:26, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
- Will "Wonders" never cease. See way below about viruses. However, moving along, I found this book while getting at my computer. There is no slug line of any kind on any of the flaps. MLB 23:41, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Angela Harbum
Would you please double check the spelling of the cover artist for Analog Science Fiction and Fact, December 2015? Is it given as "Harbum" (m) or "Harburn" (rn)? The artist real names is Angela Harburn as can be seen from her Shutterstock page which has the same art. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:59, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
- You are giving me facts that I did not know. None-the-less, Analog definitely lists the artist as Angela Harbum/Shutterstock. Since you found her art on her Shutterstock page, I'm assuming that the Harbum is a misprint of Harburn. I guess as long as they didn't misspell her name on the royalty check. . . Whatever, please feel free to list the Analog cover as a pseudonymous work, or I can do it later. Good catch. I didn't even think to check the Shutterstock page. MLB 07:14, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Beachheads in Space
Hi, Mark. In my copy of your pv'd Beachheads in Space, I show:
1. p.19 story as titled "Breeds There a Man ... ?" (with the quotes) on the title page. This is one of the already existing variants.
2. p.158 story as titled And the Walls Came Tumbling Down ... (with ellipsis), also an existing variant
3. p.176 story is credited to Nelson Bond, not Nelson S. Bond
Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 02:05, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- The corrections are being made as we type. When all is typed and corrected I guess you can primary verify #2. MLB 07:56, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. MLB 07:03, 1 January 2016 (UTC)