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Shield of Time

Since this THSHLDFTMN1991 is a collection, I have added the contents. Cheers! ~Bill. --Bluesman 05:24, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The Shield of Time

Bluesman has updated your verified The Shield of Time to add "$5.99 in Canada." plus he added the stories/Contents (there were none listed before). I've merged the titles with the other copy of The Shield of Time that has contents. Note that he set the story type for Amazement of the World as NOVEL - presumably as it's 136 pages. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:09, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Ahh - I see he added a note above - I wonder why my search for an existing note missed this. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:10, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

After some discussion the title type for Amazement of the World has been changed back to novella. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Ray Russell story in Merril's 1957 anthology

Can you check to see if the story by Ray Russell in anthology has a comma in its title? My copy of it in this pub is simply "Put Them All Together They Spell Monster". Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:01, 4 Jan 2008 (CST)

I'll dig it out on the Sunday and have a look.Kraang 19:21, 4 Jan 2008 (CST)
My copy has the comma in the TOC and on the title page.Kraang 21:53, 10 Jan 2008 (CST)

Your verified pub Wonder Story Annual, 1951

Have made the following changes: Added artwork, assigned a cover artist, added information about editor in notes, unmerged "Twice in Time" and made it and the previous printing Complete Novels (nearly 50k word count). I might add that both Contento and Rock indicate that the Binder story was written by Otto alone but I have left it as it was because there is still some question about the actual authorship of stories that appeared in the late 30's.--swfritter 21:56, 9 Jan 2008 (CST)

Star Surgeon

In your verified edition of this book you list two content entries: the novel Field Hospital and the novelette Resident Physician. Are these titled as such in the book itself, or is it, as I suspect, a classic case of the fix-up? Perhaps you intended to list the pieces to indicate the sources for the "novel". I personally feel, until we can come up with a better way of handling fix-ups, that these sources be listed in the title record, and that both the title and pub record show the type as NOVEL instead of COLLECTION. I bring this up because this is among the records on the Data Consistency/Novel-Collection Mismatches page which I've been trying to clean up. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:38, 13 Jan 2008 (CST)

It's a fix-up. I've changed the title and pubs back to a novel, and added to the title note that it's a fix-up. I also added links in the title note for the two stories [1].Kraang 07:37, 13 Jan 2008 (CST)

I've got a copy of what looks like your verified edition of this book, Ballantine #F709, $0.50, 159 pp., stamped "This is an original publication -- not a reprint." on the back (and on unnumbered p2 facing title page), but also stamped "Printed in the U.S.A" on the back and "Printed in the United States of America" on the copyright page. How do you want that handled? Thanks. BTW, not my picture, but the cover of my book looks like this. MartyD 01:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Most of the Ballantines up to the 90's have two printings(US and CDN). For the most part they are identical except for the printing info. I have left a note in the past when I've had both such as "This publication has two printings US and Canadian, both appear to be identical." The printing becomes more important in the late 70's when the CDN printings had a higher price to reflect the difference in the currencies.Kraang 02:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Your Verified Pub, Amazing December 1947

I've modified your verified pub Dec. 1947, adding two departments, "The Observatory," and "Discussions." The story "The Green Man Returns" was changed from category "Serial" to "Novel," and the interior illustrations were also added.--Rkihara 23:05, 16 Jan 2008 (CST)

Did you perhaps mean to change it to "novella" since (a) it's under 40 pages and (b) novels published in magazines are entered as Serials as per the Help pages: "Novel length works (40,000+ words) printed as a single installment in a magazine are treated as serials and given the date of the issue in which they appear; the Title Type is "Serial" and the text "(Complete Novel)", preceded by a space, is appended to the title"? Ahasuerus 23:48, 16 Jan 2008 (CST)
It's really a novel (80,000 words by the editor's count). It runs from p.8 to p.45, and is continued on p.102, ending on p.167, 104 pages total. The Amazing pulps run 600-650 words per page by my count, so that seems about right. If complete novels in magazines are entered as type "Serial" with (Complete Novel) after the title, I'll have to go back and fix about a dozen that I've changed. I don't remember seeing that in the "edit pub" or "enter new pub" help screen. Maybe it's time to print out a new copy?--Rkihara 01:13, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
That one gets everyone. The reason it is given the date of the pub, even if it has been published before, is that reprints are often substantially modified - essentially it is the equivalent of a new edition for novels. You have to start worrying about your mental health when the (Complete Novel) Serial concept starts making sense.--swfritter 15:53, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
The "page numbers" versus "page counts" get everyone too, at least once. As there's no record of "continued on page X" people used to more conventionally ordered stories subtract one page number from another and end up with a much smaller number of pages than are actually there - or much longer, if they're looking at the entry before the continuation. It's a bit late to suggest that Magazines could have such breaks recorded I guess: but it might be wise to put a warning somewhere that we CAN'T assume a total length from first page numbers alone. Well, you usually can in books, e.g. here such a split work caused much attention but you must NOT assume it in magazines, some of which never seem to have any story finish where you want it to. I wonder how many "Novel" to "Novella" or "Novelette" categorisations I've been persuaded to change based on magazine "evidence"? Probably several, it took me a long time to learn not to trust page numbers so much. I now basically take them as a sign that somebody's actually checked contents - a sort of verification that a claimed verification is believable - but it's possibly no more than a check of the contents page. And with BOOKS those can be cloned all over the place without checking: I know it makes data entry easier, but it also makes it lazier. It's a fine balance - I know I want Magazine Cloning enabled for British versions, but I'd be happy if it didn't clone page numbers: and sometimes I wish Book Cloning didn't either. But we're not yet at the stage of being able to check that a clone is for a different market entirely and is probably quite different in date or publisher or page numbers, but contents are mostly similar: or that it's just another edition of the same book from the same publisher (even if under a different imprint) and probably DOES have everything but price unchanged. BLongley 16:36, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
Wow! Looking at that again, I seem to have suggested we could use MORE detail in magazines! I don't think I've done that since creating the first Asimov Essay Series... Feel free to take it as a suggestion for "more warnings in help" instead, I don't want to make everyone feel they should unverify everything and start all over again. (Although feel free to un/re-verify my magazines if you're just adding non-fiction data (ask if it's about the fiction)- I'm happy to stick to books for now.) BLongley 16:55, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
Incidentally, is the Number and/or Percentage of Verified Magazines/Pubs something that we should put on the Data Entropy measures page? BLongley 16:55, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
Sure, we could do that too. BTW, another reason why we record "Complete Novels" as Serials is to separate their magazine publication dates from subsequent standalone ones. Book collectors are very concerned with "true first editions" and genre bibliographers always distinguish between magazine publications from standalone publications. I am not sure it makes a great deal of sense, but that's how most reference sources are structured and we follow their lead to "appease" book collectors, at least in this case. Ahasuerus 21:27, 17 Jan 2008 (CST)
It took a careful reading through help: new pub to find the instructions for entering novel length publications in magazines, as the info was under the heading "date/serializations." I think this explanation should be moved/duplicated to "entry type/novels," with a pointer in "entry type/serials" to the former.--Rkihara 10:59, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)
Yes. The explanation should be in one place and the other place should refer to the place where the explanation is. A non-controversial change which does not affect policy. I believe this is Rkihara's first chance to update Help.--swfritter 12:35, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)

Past Master

I have added an image to your verified publication.

I also added a comment about the cover artist credit - mainly because I could not spot it at first...

What is your source for the printing date? Sometimes when I have a publication that does not state a printing date at all I'll set the date to match the copyright but also include the comment

  • The printing date nor number are stated in the publication. The printing date for this ISFDB record was derived from the stated copyright date.

What is your source for the comment "First Ace Printing?" My copy just has a short copyright notice and "Printed in U.S.A." but no other printing indicator. If I was doing the 1st verification for this record I'd probably add a note such as

  • The printing date and number are not stated. Prior to verification this ISFDB record stated "First Ace Printing" but the source of this data is unknown. Marc Kupper (talk) 18:29, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)
The image is correct, as for the "First" printing statement these Ace novels with the letters in this case "H" are easy to date. Based on my records H-20 to 42 are 1967 and H-48-95 are 1968. The later pubs of the 70's with the 5 digit numbers are more problematic. Your correct that I should put into notes that the "First Ace printing" is my opinion and not stated in the book. I've also finished the DAW books and will send the update sometime this week, along with the update are some observations about the Canadian printings, CDN prices(on cover) and number lines.:-)Kraang 21:38, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)
Thank you - It looks like we should start creating an Ace Page much like the DAW list that'll gather information such as your observations about the catalog #s. Marc Kupper (talk) 02:24, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)
We could do with a major rework of the publisher's pages so that we can add details of publishers as easily as we can add details of magazines or fanzines. I may not have accumulated much info so far, and it's all on my personal page as we have no place for it, but what I have accumulated looks useful - e.g. finding WHY an ISBN is invalid is a lot faster when you know the usual prefixes. So far I've mostly only checked British publications, but some other publishers clearly have patterns - e.g. an Ace ISBN often indicates the printing number, if not the date, it seems. It would be good to have this knowledge in one place. BLongley 16:30, 21 Jan 2008 (CST)
Keep in mind that Al had plans to create "variant publisher names" for the "publisher" table, so we probably want to check with him before starting a "Publisher" namespace in the Wiki. Ahasuerus 18:22, 21 Jan 2008 (CST)
Well, if such a plan is coming up, then I think that's good grounds FOR starting the Wiki pages. It's clear that imprints and publishers change over time: mostly small publishers becoming imprints, but publishers do create new imprints too. I'd be happy if we started with all the imprints and worked them back to publishers - but the timelines are going to be quite important too. BLongley 15:24, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)

The Star Dwellers

I have added a cover image for your verified publication but have a couple of questions:

  • What's the source for the printing date? My copy has a 1961 copyright but no printing information.
  • What's the source for the comment "First Avon printing"? My copy does not state this.

BTW - I locate the cover images by going to From there I enter the title and a short version of the publisher name (Ace, Fawcett, Avon, etc.) I only enter an author name if the title is very generic and likely to generate spurious hits. The search usually gives me a short list of records. I use Ctrl-click to open all of them up into tabs and scan through the tabs looking for the ones that have the cover I want cover and then pick the best one. In this case I found

and also the same painting with a different cover style

The Jim Gardner images are nearly always very useful as he knows books and usually includes notes on things that may not be well known such as that the second cover is from 1965. He also agrees with you on that the first is a 1962 printing. Marc Kupper (talk) 02:41, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)

Ensign Flandry

Regarding your verified publication - what is the source of the comment "First Lancer printing?" I see that the copyright page says "A Lancer Book - 1967" at the top but there is no stated indication that this is the printing date and if this is the first printing. I'm going through verifying a stack of books and when I'm done will make a second pass to scan in covers for those I can't fine on Amazon. When I do that I'll update the publication comment to note that this is an assumed first printing done in 1967 citing what is stated unless you know of of a source we can use for removing the "assumption" word. Marc Kupper (talk) 20:25, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)

I think the word "assumed" will have to be added to a number of my verified pubs. Generally I only put in the first printing comment if I was certain about my information. In hindsight I should have noted the lack of printing history and that the first printing statement was an assumption based on my collecting history and other research. When I reorganize my collection I'll have a second pass at all the older pubs I own, that will give me the chance to fix some of my earlier errors and add images at the same time. For the moment any that you run across feel to make any changes that help clarify the printing info. :-)Kraang 21:38, 20 Jan 2008 (CST)
The cover image has been scanned/uploaded and "assumed" notes added. I've decided to start a practice (for myself, not ISFDB though people are welcome to copy whatever I do...) of linking to the Amazon record where I found or uploaded the cover image if it's that the same record as for the ISBN of the publication. I have no idea if I'll continue with this though there have been times I've seen a long random Amazon image URL and wondered what record it was associated with. For example, someone may have a pub-record for a 3rd printing. I have the 2nd with a slightly different cover and might as well upload my cover to the same Amazon record so that people can see 2nd and 3rd side by side. I also believe Amazon puts greater weight on records that have images and also get visited. If a record does not have images it seems to disappear from the Amazon search results after a while. I believe this is in reaction to some book sellers indiscriminately creating new records for their books (and usually at a far higher than standard market price for the book...) rather than looking to see if a record exists and posting their item for sale there. My thinking is if I add a second or third image (assuming it's appropriate for that record) then the odds are Amazon will keep it around and the links to it from ISFDB are likely to be valid down the road. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:35, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)
It's too short a time-period to be sure what effect I/we have on Amazon, but I do get a feeling that contributing images and/or fixing their data may help keep their stuff stable. (This is based on 800+ images for Amazon UK and 400+ for the US site (many overlapped though). I'm not sure how many data corrections I've sent: but I only recall 2 being refused.) When I first started helping Amazon rather than vice versa, corrections and additions seemed to take ages on the UK site and neither the US or UK site promoted my images to the title page (I STILL don't seem to make it to the search result pages, but they proudly state "Customer image from Bill Longley" on a LOT of editions now.) We'll never get a special dispensation from Amazon to make OUR links robust, but I do encourage people to scan their covers and upload them. Even if Amazon goes bust tomorrow, having the covers scanned will help us restart a bit more easily. (Although I'd STILL like a central repository in case I get hit by a bus tomorrow - my family probably wouldn't dispose of my books in the way I want, almost certainly wouldn't deal with fanzines, and would have NO clue about uploaded data.) BLongley 16:32, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)
I feel another pass of my books will be coming up soon - restricted at first to books with ISBNs that have no Cover-art URL entered. Then ones without ISBNs, but present on Amazon with ASINs. But there's all sorts of other improvements that can be made on my early verifications, it can wait till we agree on them a bit more. E.g. I never entered notes about printings if it seemed to be the only one. I think magazines have gone TOO far in the level of data recorded, but I'll still do some of those that don't have the Fiction entered - I might even add cover-art scans if they're lacking, but it's a lower priority than getting Fiction recorded. BLongley 16:32, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)

Retief: Emissary to the Stars

I have added an image to your verified publication. Unfortunately, I could not figure out how to massage this image URL so there's no border.

I also updated the comments to eliminate some assumption language and to note what the publication says. I agree that it's a bit of a hassle and also rather easy to slip into writing "First printing" when it's an educated assumption. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:44, 21 Jan 2008 (CST)

Doctor to the Stars

(Copied from User talk:DESiegel60) Added a cover image[2] is it correct? Thanks.Kraang 13:56, 24 Jan 2008 (CST)

Yes, that is the cover on my edition -DES Talk 14:35, 24 Jan 2008 (CST)

Maurice Sandoz's Fantastic Memories

Sorry, I am afraid I have deleted the second 1957 publication of Fantastic Memories before you could change it :( On the plus side, I have found its Contents and will add it shortly as part of the 1944 edition :) Ahasuerus 22:59, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)

The City and the Stars

I added an image for your verified image but also added a note as you had reported "Stated 1st printing of 1968 Signet ed." when Signet publications exist back to 1957. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:26, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)

I'm thinking this is the 3rd printing but please check the pub to see if this is stated. Here's a printing history.
  • 1st - S1464, $0.35, Dec-1957 - verified
  • 2nd - D1858, $0.50, Sep-1961 - not verified but Jim Gardner has an image
  • Some Amazon listings say "1967" but don't give more data. This might be a seller typo as there is on AbeBooks there's only one seller for 1967 and they say "Signet S1464, 1967 ... First Signet printing December 1967" meaning they gave the date for the Dec-1957 1st but called it 1967.
  • 3rd? - P3429, $0.60, Apr-1968, Jim Garder says this is the 3rd
  • 7th - Q5371, $0.95, undated, verified
  • 9th - Y6452, $1.25, undated, image on Amazon
  • 10th - W7990, $1.50, undated, image on Amazon
  • 12th - 0-451-09232-5, $1.75, undated
  • 13th - 0-451-12034-5, $2.50, undated
  • 14th - 0-451-13315-3, $1.25, undated, odd that the price went down
  • Unknown - 0-451-14822-3, $3.50, 1987, page count is much higher Marc Kupper (talk) 04:04, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)
I'll have to find the copy, that may take a couple of days. My copy probably states it just that, its a 1st printing of 1968. I agree with you that It's more than likely a third printing. Did I add the extra comment to the 1st printing statement or did you?
I did all of the comments for the 1st printing except for the one about Tuck and 1956. But - maybe you mean the note on the 3rd printing that says "(note - while it's stated 1st printing it's actually the 3rd printing.)?" Yes, I added that one plus second note on the 3rd printing that cites the record that the image came from. FWIW - The person who uploaded the Amazon image has the caption "First Printing December 1957" implying that perhaps the book does not state anything about it being a 3rd printing. Marc Kupper (talk) 01:51, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)

Canadian DAW

Kraang - one thought on your Canadian DAW is to date them the YYYY-MM of the first printing and the DD is the printing #. You could do this with your Canadian 2nds and that would get them dated. Of course, there's a publication note to explain this.

Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said

Kraang e-mailed me with "One odd one is "Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said" (Line#340.1). It appears to be a 1st printing but there's no DAW# on the cover & it has the later cover image. Unfortunately my copy has been defaced and the price is gone."

This is one of the very few publications where DAW printed for a while and then printed using a new DAW #. I know of
  • DAW # 146, First printing, April 1975, 1st printing (I don't have the number lines record for any of these)
  • DAW # N/A, First printing, April 1975, 3rd pr. (for a long time DAW did not state the DAW # for reprints)
  • DAW # 438, First printing April 1975, 5th pr. with note "Year of publication taken from Daniel Levack's bibliography of PKD"
  • DAW # 438, First printing June 1981, 5th pr (I should ask Don Erikson to re-verify this)
You reported
  • No DAW # - this usually means a later printing
  • Can you get the price from the spine right after the ISBN? Sometimes if a price was defaced with a black marker pen I'll use rubbing alcohol and a q-tip to see if I can lift enough ink off to read the price.
  • An ISBN, 0-87997-266-1, on the spine - DAW started doing this in November 1976 which also indicates you have a later printing.
  • You said it has the later cover image? I thought the first cover was by Hans Ulrich; Ute Osterwalder and the later is by Oliviero Berni but you reported Hans Ulrich; Ute Osterwalder.
It looks like I'll need to update the DAW list as there were three covers and not the two I initially thought. ISFDB has
A scan of AbeBooks finds the following with images
This is the correct cover with the $1.50 price. My copy has the price scratched off. The copyright page has the illustrators listed as "Hans Ulrich and Ute Osterwalder" but as you noted it's signed "Kresek". The number line is probably an error and it should have been "2" or "3". The Canadian printing would generally be smaller than the US so it would be more likely to see a US printing in Canada and less likely for you to see the Canadian printings in the US.Kraang 19:30, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)
I know I'm less likely to see a Canadian printing than you are to see a USA printing. What surprised me was every single AbeBooks record I looked at last night for Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said was a Canadian printing except one seller that did not state but the seller was in Canada. I'm curious, is Flow My Tears the official source in Canada for what "America is like"? :-) Marc Kupper (talk) 23:22, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)

I can't believe that every single copy on AbeBooks was from Canada. No wonder I've never seen a copy... Marc Kupper (talk) 03:35, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)

Web of the Witch World - Andre Norton

Didn't want to update your verification - my copy looks like [this] and Gaughan has the map, title page, first chapter and a back cover illustration as well. I don't know how complete we need to go. -- Holmesd 20:03, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)

That was an early one by me so add the cover image and interiorart by Gaughan. The "Artist" category includes front and back unless back is a different artist. One of these days I'll do a second pass of my paperbacks. :-)Kraang 20:18, 18 Feb 2008 (CST)

DAW's Canadian editions

Here's an example of what we were speaking about concerning the Canadian editions of DAW Books. This pub and another one are exactly alike except for the prices on the cover. Take a look at the cover scans of each and you can verify that the prices differ. Since neither pub have been verified, can we assume that the higher priced one is the Canadian edition? And should we note this in the pub records so that no one comes along, thinking one is an error and deletes it? This title comes after #299 (when Canadian pricing began) and before #406 (when Canadian printings were given a separate printing number.) So the only way to know if the higher priced one is a Canadian printing is to know what's printed on the copyright page. Right? BTW, Marc's DAW page shows this title had only one printing, but I suppose he doesn't note Canadian printings. Mhhutchins 21:05, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)

You are correct the $1.95 is US and the $2.25 is Canadian. The Canadian is probably a 1st printing(number line starts with 1), I say this because it appears that when they reprinted books they would change the cat. ID #(UJ408). I also updated Marc's list with about 200 of my DAW books but I don't know if he has updated the DAW list on the Wiki. If you don't have it have him send you a copy of his spread sheet. Here's a question, all the Canadian DAW books were published by "The New America Library of Canada Limited", does this mean that they should be listed as DAW Books/NAL(imprint/publisher or is it publisher/publisher)? :-)Kraang 22:16, 19 Feb 2008 (CST)
Let's not get into that! I've been lurking over the debate on the other pages, pretty much staying out until the dust stops flying. We do a lot of talking here, but coming to any definite decisions seems to be quite difficult. :( Mhhutchins 12:51, 20 Feb 2008 (CST)
yes, NAL/DAW sounds fine. I personally have used "DAW (Canada)" and ignored the NAL stuff. I never did figure out the relationship between NAL and DAW. It seems NAL either funded or owned part of DAW right from the beginning and wondered why only the Canadaian printings mention NAL. Marc Kupper (talk) 01:36, 7 Mar 2008 (CST)

Dorothy de/Di Fontaine

Kraang, could you please comment on this discussion when you get a chance? TIA! Ahasuerus 23:10, 2 Mar 2008 (CST)

My change to Masters of the Fist

You have submission #946589 on hold. I assure you that it was merely a correction of a typo in my previous submission, and I have the volume, with the original reciept (used as a bookmark, a thing I do fairly often) in front of me as i type. Is there any other questiuon about this submission that i can answer foe you? -DES Talk 09:19, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)

By the way, your talk page is getting rather long. You may want to archive the earlier sections. If I can be of assistance, please let me know. -DES Talk 09:24, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)

I was approving submissions this morning and ran out of time to leave a message on your talk page (have to be at my store on Saturday's). Your submission states it's a 1st printing Feb 1982 but the year is listed as "1989-02-00". Did you mean to change it to "1982-02-00". I can made the change and fix any typos ie. "untited" to "United". We wouldn't want anyone to think the US has changed it's name. And yes I would, my page is getting rather long if you could archive it for me that would be get. My knowledge of computers and things related is very limited. My solution to the long page was going to involve deleting old and resolved issues. Thanks!Kraang 20:10, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)
One other thing about the date that got my attention is the earliest Baen book I own is dated Sept 1984 and the earliest in the data base is Aug 1984. Yours is stated as first printing Feb 1982?Kraang 22:11, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)
Searces on Abebooks of the ISBN# or the title/Baen all return a date of Feb 1989. :-)Kraang 22:18, 22 Mar 2008 (CDT)
See my user talk page -- I must have been up too late that night. Correction submitted. -DES Talk 03:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Farmer's Doc Savage

Can you check your verified copy of this title for the gutter code? Someone just added a second printing for August 1973, and I think your first edition was probably around May or June. Thanks. MHHutchins 14:47, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)

The same person just submitted an edit providing the date of the first edition as May, based on the printing history of the Bantam paperback. I've placed the submission on hold until you get a chance to verify the gutter code. MHHutchins 14:50, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)
The gutter code is O24. The puts it on the fence near May or June 1973. Hope this helps.Kraang 18:04, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)
Great! I'll accept the edit. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:37, 3 Apr 2008 (CDT)
FWIW, this site says May 1973 too. BLongley 13:05, 4 Apr 2008 (CDT)

The Space Plague

I have updated your verified publication/

  • Title changed from Space Plague to The Space Plague plus this was separated out as it's own title record though I suspect the second printing is also The Space Plague.
  • Added notes and image.
  • Removed the note "First Avon printing" as this was not stated (maybe this note came from a secondary source). Marc Kupper (talk) 08:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Apollo at Go by Jeff Sutton

Can you double-check the publication date for your verified copy of this title? I just entered the SFBC edition which was the club selection in December 1963. Tuck gives the paperback date as 1964, which makes more sense as it would generally follow the hardcover by a year. I know Popular Library isn't very good at dating their puplications. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright page is as follows "G.P. Putnam's edition published in November, 1963" and next line "First printing: October, 1963" Would this first printing refer to the Putnam hc or this pb? I've see this before were the printing date precedes and publication date (when its put on sale). If this is the case than the above refers to the hc and the pb is probably from 1964. The Cat# SP 305 is 1964 or higher but probably 1964. Hope this helps.
I think the printing info refers only to the Putnam edition, which makes sense. It was printed in October, published (released to the stores) in November, and it was the December selection of the SFBC. Look at the bottom of the last page or so of the Popular Library paperback. They're known to sometimes print a code stating the printing date of this particular edition. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
No code in this copy.Kraang 01:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Letters and Miscellanies of Robert Louis Stevenson, Sketches, Criticisms, Etc Vol. XXII

Oops, I misclicked and accidentally approved your removal of as the cover image URL for this pub :( Sorry! Ahasuerus 20:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem I didn't even notice. The Stevenson page should be done in about a month and then I'll pay a visit to the Robarts or one of the libraries in the UofT and have a look at some of the series published by Scribner. I have some ideas about how to organize his non fiction but I'll let the percolate for awhile.Kraang 00:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Couldn't you have accidentally deleted Robert Louis Stevenson entirely instead? :-( I'd be quite happy if we pretended Amarantha Knight wrote the first Jekyll and Hyde - although I see that's a bit of a mess too as it's Nancy Kilpatrick, and we've got "The Darker Passions" and "Darker Passions" series separated, and the pseudonyms haven't been done... have you found a Vampire-Shagger Specialist Editor yet, Ahasuerus? BLongley 21:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I am afraid not; I assume they are all too busy shagging vampires :-( The good news is that has just finished revamping (no pun intended!) their Webservices interface and Al has already changed Dissembler to take advantage of various improved and streamlined features, so we may be seeing more vampire shagger submissions from Dissembler. If not, we can always go back to Al and say "Hey, I wonder why Dissembler missed Undead and Undersexed this month?" Ahasuerus 23:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Dissembler's tastes are showing: I'm sure Al rejected Erotic Fantasy Art FOUR times today. I'd much rather deal with that than Amarantha Knight - although I think I have that sorted now - as far as I care to at the moment, anyway. BLongley 00:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I assume it had something to do with Amazon listing it as "Comics & Graphic Novels > Graphic Novels > Science Fiction" :( Ahasuerus 00:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Brackett's Coming of the Terrans

I've added cover art to your verified edition of this title. Also, I think you may have overlooked my previous questions about books by Jeff Sutton and Sydney J. Bounds. Thanks. MHHutchins 15:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

That's the correct cover and I've not forgotten about the other titles just put it off till there was more than one or two to look up. Twelve to fifteen boxes randomly sorted is a pain to look through :-)Kraang 01:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
I know exactly what you mean. I've pretty much given up shelving paperbacks and periodicals, so they're all boxed in the garage (though probably in a somewhat more organized manner then random.) No hurry about answering the queries. MHHutchins 01:41, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Los thanatonautas & co

  • The Thanatonautas change was hyphenating the ISBN (it should be 84-8237-026-X).
  • The price for L'Ultime secret is the one they're showing on the Albin Michel website, copy-pasted straight in.

Circeus 01:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Albin Michel doesn't list prices directly on its books anyway; I should know: I own that volume. AFAIK, in the world of French publishing it is only usual practice for MMPB (fr. Livres de poche, "Pocket books", a well established niche there) publishers to do it. I'm actually tempted to write a page on the differences between Anglo-American and French publishing now (e.g. that it is exceptional for fiction to be published in hardcover). Circeus 02:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and I forgot to mention I'm a long-time Wikipedia editor, so I'm much more familiar with answering on someone else's page. I'll try to remember about your preference next time you leave me a note, though. Circeus 02:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

The Road Goes Ever On

Could I ask why you are holding submisison #969539? The intent was merely to make the title without the sub-title a varient of the title with the sub-title. Did I miss something? I don't see any obvious error in the submission. -DES Talk 02:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Mixed title types. Cover/Collection don't mix well. Although I see what your intent was. :-)Kraang 02:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Arrgh. I should have seen that. Rejected, will resubmit if the proper records are there. Thanks for spotting this. -DES Talk 02:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

The Dying Earth

Please look at ISFDB:Community Portal#The Dying Earth if you have a chance. I want to change this work from a Novel to a Collection, and you verified one of it's pubs. -DES Talk 15:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

The Mask of Circe by Kuttner (first Ace edition)

In your verified copy of this title, you note the interior artist's signature, but she is fully credited on the title page as Alicia Austin. BTW, I added a link to the cover. Thanks. MHHutchins 02:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Forgive me, I just noticed that you did credit her in the contents. I gotta slow down and look more carefully every once in awhile. :-) MHHutchins 02:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Startling Stories January 1951

Added interior artwork, columns, book reviews, etc. The only significant change was the editorship - Oscar J. Friend to Sam Merwin, Jr. who is credited by both Day and Ashley. Friend last edited the magazine in 1944. Please let me know if you have another source but I suspect this was existing data.--swfritter 01:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

It was existing data, all I did was probably add page numbers. I own exactly 8 pulps and zero magazines, the main reason I stay out of this area of the database.Kraang 02:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
You might run out of things to do! I have been going through my novels a few at a time and out of the first 300 or so I think about two-thirds were pubs that have been verified. I added two marginal titles, a probable first printing paperback, and only one title that I was surprised not to see in the database. So about 98% per cent of my books are already covered.--swfritter 19:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The publishers will keep me busy for months, I'm only at "B"(and things they link to) and I've fixed, merged or deleted a hundred or so names or variants.Kraang 00:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
We should probably have a chat about the Publisher work at some point - I think you're consolidating a bit differently from me, and I'm not seeing as many Publisher Wiki entries from you as I create (although Marc's already criticized me for leaving them messy at the moment, but as you say it'll take months!). General discussion seems to have petered out into apathy, and I must admit at times I go look at a publisher I've corrected out of existence only to see it return from another Dissembler run or some unknown editor's actions. :-( BLongley 18:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
There's a few editors responsible for a lot of variations: Clarkmci and Thomas_conneely come to mind, as does Marc Kupper's "(nth printing)" experiment: I've mostly avoided changing any active editor's verified entries for the moment, but if the few of us active in this area can agree a few things then work should speed up a bit. BLongley 18:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Since the publishers page includes Wikipedia, Web page and notes I've not been using the Wiki. Generally my consolidations have not changed existing data only standardized the names. Charles Scribner's Sons(8-10 variants) is an example which up to 1975 was clearly an independent company. Since 1994/5 it has been an imprint of Simon & Shuster I believe, now just Scribner. Not having data from the ISFDB in a searchable table form has stopped me from making any attempt to figure out the ISBN #'s and the range of dates, this data would be best in the Wiki. At the moment I'm inclined to leave Clarkmci's publishers names since they show the imprint/publisher relationship. These can be used later. Do you have any ideas about coordination?Kraang 00:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Do we have a list yet of what names are considered canonical publisher names, and what are the common incorrect publisher names? Publisher names from Dissembler tend to be very regular, it always uses 'TOR Books' instead of 'Tor', or whatever the preferred publisher name is. It would be quite easy to remap undesirable publisher names to desireable ones, but it still isn't going to help on the variant names submitted by human editors.
Years ago, when all of the ISFDB data was typed in vi, I had a tool which searched for common non-canonical author names. I had a file with common mispellings, common variants, and pseudonyms, and a tool that would parse the data files and flag the undesireable names. That later evolved into a mapping file, so that the tool could find the bad names and replace them with the good ones. If we had something like this for publisher names, we could make an automated tool the located known bad publisher names and displayed them alongside suggested good names, and an editor could select checkboxes on those name swaps that should be applied. For example. Alvonruff 00:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
No list yet, we'll have to cleanup a good chuck of the variants names first. A publishers directory based on the canonical names would be useful I think. Some of the more common names could be set such as 'Ace' instead of 'Ace Hardcover'. Books with imprint/publisher may cause a problem. The recording of this relationship and how its displayed needs to be figured out first.Kraang 01:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
What I've been doing is keeping the imprint on the pub, and making sure the Wiki page for the imprint has the publisher information on: or the parent imprint, whose Wiki page leads to the publisher: or however many levels it takes, and however many owners the imprint has passed through. E.g. Corgi has always been an imprint of Transworld, and even though Transworld is now owned by Random House, the Corgi imprint is all I need to know really, I don't need to see "Random House/Corgi" and "Transworld/Corgi" separated (and really DON'T want them separated unless we get display functionality for "All pubs by publishers like '%Corgi%' " and suchlike.) The Sub-Imprint "Corgi Yearling" does look useful if accurate, as does "Corgi Childrens" - but I'm sure Amazon has back-populated older records with publisher information from CURRENT ISBN range usage, even though it is totally inappropriate for the time - and we've got a lot of those errors imported. :-( BLongley 18:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I could have a stab at listing some of the current publishers in groups that I think should be regularized, or deregularized - e.g. I think someone's been moving things to "Bantam UK" without keeping the separation between "Bantam Press" and "Bantam Books". That's a pretty big list though, and my opinions about canonical names are mostly clear from what I've done in the Wiki - before we had publisher edits/merges I created Wiki redirects for non-canonical names to the most common version, if I then added lots of notes to it that's probably an OK name for me. If you want that, I'd like a look at Al's current mappings so I don't contradict them without considering the alternatives. BLongley 18:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Kraang, I can also create publisher lists with ISBN prefixes and year ranges as well as the number-of-pubs for each: I do those for the ones I'm working on anyway, and it's no trouble to create one huge one for all publishers for the ISBN-relevant years. For almost any significant imprint or publisher it's shown stray pubs published before the publisher existed, or where someone's cloned a pub from one publisher to another and missed changing the ISBN, etc. It's good sanity-checking data which is why I record it on the Wiki pages. Even pre-ISBN data is good - the Publisher names, if correct, often provide a clue as to the possible years. Even Scribner - the years WITH "Charles" but without " & Sons" come before the "& Sons" and those are before the plain "Scribners", I think: although I own precisely none of them to check. BLongley 18:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Leiber's Green Millennium

Please verify the spelling of the title in your verified copy of this title. Like several editors I "added a pub" to the title which was incorrectly spelled as The Green Millenium. I've changed my verified copies but there are several more verified copies that I want the original verifier to check out. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:01, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I added the existing cover image and just checked the pub and it also has two n's. Why I entered it with just one "n" I don't know. :-)Kraang 00:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
You probably did the same thing I did... 1) I went to Leiber's page to find the title. 2) I saw "Green Millenium" (until today that was the only title spelling for this novel on Leiber's author summary page.) 3) I added my pub to the growing list of mistitled pubs. Simple. :) MHHutchins 03:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Change to verified pub Cobra Strike

I have added a cover art URL to your verified publication Cobra Strike, as I have a copy that matches your verified record, as fa as i can tell. Please check that my art matches your copy, when you have a chance. -DES Talk 20:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Close enough, my copy has the US price of $3.50 blacked out and the Canadian price of $3.95 printed over top. Baen did this with some editions for Canada before all publications were printed with both currencies. You offered to archive this page a while back, can you do everything up to the end of 2007? Thanks.Kraang 01:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes that is a difference, but a very minor one.
Sure, I'll create an archive for you. -DES Talk 13:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Archives created, see link at top of page. -DES Talk 13:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Great, thanks!Kraang 22:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Damon Knight's The Rithian Terror

Locus #141 (May 11, 1973) states that the Award edition of this title was published in 1972. Thought this would help in updating the pub record. MHHutchins 00:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks updated.Kraang 03:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Alien Dust by E. C. Tubb

Was the publisher of Alien Dust credited as "Boardman" or "T. V. Boardman", perchance? Ahasuerus 02:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Spine-"Boardman", Front flap-"Boardman", Title page-"T. V. Boardman & Company Limited" & Back flap-"T.V. Boardman & Co., Ltd.". It appears the common use in the database is "T. V. Boardman". Here's a Wikipedia link "Boardman Books"[3]. What is the common use for the book sellers?Kraang 03:00, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
What you are describing is very similar to what I found in their edition of Triplanetary earlier today. I went with "T. V. Boardman" as the currently preferred version, but also noted the fact that "T. V. Boardman & Co., Ltd." was used on the title page. No idea what used book sellers may use at this late date, I am afraid. Ahasuerus 03:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Did a quick random sample of books, "T. V. Boardman" and "T. V. Boardman & Co." appear to be the most commonly used. "Boardman" & "Boardman Books" are next in that order. I think we should change them all to "T. V. Boardman".Kraang 03:33, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to me! Ahasuerus 05:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Mask of Circe (redux)

I've come across a review of this pub in the December 10, 1971 issue of Locus. It doesn't give a publication date but we can be somewhat certain that it was published in 1971. Hope this helps in dating the pub. MHHutchins 00:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I've adjusted the date and left a note to indicate its source. Thanks.Kraang 01:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The Wizard of Anharitte

I messed with your verified pub a bit. Mainly because of the sudden SNAP! moment. BLongley 19:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Scatterbrain by Niven

You verified the 2003 hc ed of Scatterbrain. In it you listed a story "Ice and Fire: Collaboration with Brenda Cooper(Excerpt)" and an essay " Discussion with Brenda Cooper Re: "Ice and Fire"(Scatterbrain)". I have, and am redy to verify, the 2004 MMPB edition of the same collection. The contents appear to be the same, except that the above items use "Ice and Mirrors" for the name of the underlying story, not "Ice and Fire". Is this a difference between the two editions, or was ther an entry error in yours? Can you check? I am holding off verifing mine until I know ehther i need to change the titles, or create variants. -DES Talk 16:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

There both "Ice and Mirrors" why I entered "Fire" I can't say. The whole book was a pain to enter, I just hope these authors and their publishers don't start to publishes their blogs. I picked it up as a remainder (cost $4.80 CDN) so I don't feel like I was cheated to much.Kraang 02:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it. I have entered a number of things that seemd like wastes of paper, but completeness is everything. However, in this case I disagree, while I didn't buy this in hc, I bought it new from amazon in pb, and was glad to have it. Indeed, i have already read aloud from it ("Handicap", "What I tell librarians", and "Smut Talk") and I've owned it only a couple of weeks. -DES Talk 03:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Exiles at the Well of Souls/Quest for the Well of Souls

I checked these and my versions have appendix references. Exiles has one. Quest has two. Does your version? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

All the versions have them, I just felt that they were part of the story and not worth mentioning.Kraang 00:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Bill said much the same about Timemaster. I think I understand the viewpoints. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Downtiming the ?

I need to understand the title on Downtiming the Nightside Jack L Chalker on my title page. Yet my publications page has what appears as Night Side. I checked Amazon and ABE and they alternate it everywhere. What is the moderator reasoning? Most confused. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The Tor edition has "Downtiming the Night Side" on cover, spine, title page and the clearest on the copyright page. The font and the way they have printed it makes it look like "Nightside". The Baen book is a bit less clear the cover, spine and copyright page are "Night Side" but the title page is clearly "Nightside". In this case I think it's clear that the authors intended chose was "Night Side" and the title page was printed that way by error. Also the Afterword in the Bean edition also spells it "Night Side" , signed and dated May 8, 1992 by Chalker. Hope the helps explain the title.Kraang 23:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I found that also, but so many references are one way or the other. I was hoping there might be some supreme source. Thanks, I understand a little of how to display letters and the spacing has to meet a visual standard. In other words, spacing between letters is not always the same. If it was the same you get real odd effects. Maybe this is what happened to Downtiming. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The Dream Master by Zelazny

I've added the cover art and month of publication to your verified copy of this title. Date comes from the 1973 Ace third printing (which I state in the pub notes). MHHutchins 23:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The cover is correct and if we can find enough of these dates for the early Ace books we should be able to fill in some of the other months were the numbers fall between known dates.Kraang 00:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Victory on Janus

I was working on reconciling MELVYL's Norton data with ours and noticed that your verified first Ace printing of Victory on Janus says "1968-00-00" and there is no comment in the Notes field re: the date. According to MELVYL, it would appear that the publication date is not printed in the book and had to be derived from a secondary source. They also state that it was published in March 1968. Does your copy have a publication date, by chance or, if not, do we want to change the date to 1968-03-00 and add a comment to Notes? Ahasuerus 02:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

That's correct no printed date. The first Ace book with a "G" I have dated for 1968 is 688 and the last is 766 so 703 would be place it nicely in March.Kraang 02:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)Kraang 02:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, updated! Ahasuerus 02:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Sentinels of Space/ The Ultimate Invader

Sentinels of Space/ The Ultimate Invader and other Science-Fiction.
Sentinels from Space 179 pages, copyright 1953 by Eric Frank Russell.
magazine version copyright 1951 by Better Publications, Inc. 1951. starts page 5. xxxxxxxxx

The Ultimate Invader and other Science-Fiction.
copyright 1954 by Ace Books.
139 pages.

copyright acknowledgements:
Design for Great-Day (The Ultimate Invader) by Eric Frank Russell.
copyright 1953 by Love Romances Publications, Inc.

Alien Envoy by Malcolm Jameson.
copyright 1944 by Street & Smith Publications, Inc.

Dead City (The Malignant Marauder) by Murray Leinster.
copyright 1946 by Standard Magazines, Inc.

Bridgehead (The Temporal Transgressor) by Frank Belknap Long.
copyright 1944 by Street & Smith Publications, Inc.


Contents page.

The Ultimate Invader by Eric Frank Russell pg 7.
The Alien Envoy by Malcolm Jameson pg 70.
The Malignant Marauder by Murray Leinster pg 88.
The Temporal Transgressor by Frank Belknap Long pg 115.
I have a copy and noticed that this will cause a lot of changes and that you did a catalog verification. Please advise. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I've added the page numbers and updated which title has which pages[4]. Is this this what you had in mind?Kraang 00:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks very good. Thank you. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Matheson's "When the waker sleeps"


As you may have guessed I'm brand new here, and I don't really know how to do things.

I would think that Matheson's "When the waker sleeps" is the title most used, so it should be the parent, but if you think otherwise, I don't mind, as "The waker dreams" is the original title and both positions could be defended. I would be grateful if you did the change, as I'm quite busy just now - I'm using the website to complete my doctorate's bibliography (on golden age SF).

Thanks in advance


For the ISFDB the first appearance of the title is the parent all others after that are variants. I'll reverse the titles which for me is quick and easy. If you have any other questions you can ask on the help page. Thanks!Kraang 21:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Silverberg's Book of Skulls

I've added cover art to your verified copy of this title. MHHutchins 04:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!Kraang 02:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Also added cover art for Silverberg's Master of Life and Death and added the printing statement in the notes. MHHutchins 03:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
And the cover for Time of the Great Freeze. (I guess you can tell that I finally got around to pulling out the box with the "S" paperbacks!) MHHutchins 03:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Sheckley, Silverberg, Cordwainer Smith queries... OMG, you're about to get to Doc Smith! With all the "E"s and single and double quotes and stuff, and whether it was Eklund or not... Let me go hide till you get to at least L. Neil Smith... ;-) I've tried to fix my Spinrads and Stablefords in anticipation and will go burn the Stasheffs before you get that far. (Well, maybe not all - I have a soft spot for Saint Vidicon.) Hang on - I don't recall Saberhagen, Schmitz and Shaw queries, and you only mention one box - perhaps your tastes bypass mine and I don't have to rummage around the double-stacked "S" bookcases before you get to "Sterling"? BLongley 23:35, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Calm down. I don't have any Saberhagens and Doc Smiths (not my tastes), and I've finished the Schmitzes and Shaws. I'm only up to Smith (working on Cordwainer earlier today, and will be working on Thorne later tonight). Somtow, Spinrad, and Sterlings are on the way, so hold on tight. This may be a bumpy ride. MHHutchins 23:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
There's Steele and Stephenson on the alphabetical way as well, but I'm not keen on Somtow. There's singletons in there too. But I'll make sure the Spinrads and Sterlings are available for checks. I'm fairly completist on those. BLongley 00:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I believe I have everything ever published by Saberhagen and Doc Smith, including the posthumous "collaborations", the Advent stuff, etc. I will be on the road (and very busy) in August, but I will be checking my collection at least once a week, so yell if you need to have anything checked. Ahasuerus 14:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think Mike is proposing to do ALL the "S" section alone, just his box's-worth of paperbacks. (I wonder how big the box is?) I'm revisiting some of my "S" authors (there were a lot of easy early verifications there for me, but I return to them for cover-art and foreign prices now, and checking for artist credits. And punctuation.) A coordinated attack on a particular section of ISFDB seems to work well though (see swfritter and Rkihara for instance) and it can be collaborative as they do, or reactive ("Why is this guy questioning stuff? Oh, I see now - must improve...") or preemptive ("must fix my pubs to current standards before he gets to MY verifications"). Of course, I reserve the right to say "I don't actually care which page number the Nth illustration by Emsh actually appears on, and I'm not going to go find where my cleaner has put it this week for such a query". But mostly I like to be helpful, so when an editing pattern occurs I like to be slightly ahead of the pack. I've seen other editors do this too - how many people know how far Don Erikson has got so far for instance? If I was wearing my team-leader hat, I'd suggest "Edit, Inspire, Improve!" as our current "team" Motto or something. But we're rather thinly stretched for such, so temporary overlaps are rarely organised but can be productive if you see them happening. BLongley 21:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm discovering that the first thousand or so volumes that I verified will have to be checked again, as there was some information that I neglected to include, such as edition statements. I've been jumping around so much lately (to keep from going nuts doing the same thing day in day out) that it may be some time before I get back to those first hardcovers that I entered. I've also discovered more than a few pubs that I entered complete information for...then failed to verify!
The last pubs that I recall Don entering were in the Js, but he may have moved on since then. MHHutchins 22:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Cordwainer Smith's Quest of the Three Worlds

Can you tell me if your edition of this title appears to be a collection or a novel? Is there a table of contents, and do each of the stories have a title page? My edition is packaged like a novel, with no table of contents, and no title page for each part. Thanks. MHHutchins 16:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I have the same edition as Kraang. I believe it's a fix-up, but I can't compare with the credited magazine content. I'll give it a try if someone wants to compare. But based on these two samples, moving the SHORTFICTION links to Title level and redoing these publications is fine by me. I can afford another UK version if people want to wait for another view. BLongley 23:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm up there with you in calling this a novel, if not necessarily a fixup. It appears that we never got around to defining the differences between a fixup and a "related collection". The one criterion should be the use of titles before each story, making it a collection. MHHutchins 23:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I'll have a look at this pub. but I would think it's a fix-up. Back when I verified it I was unsure about how to handle these thing so I just left it as I found it. As I look at my page it would appear that I should have a seperate section for adding covers.Kraang 00:13, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I think you'd have to ask DES about a separate PAGE... ;-) - But I do appreciate I ask a lot about covers, I just don't like adding them without question when there may be international differences. I know I've seen some pubs with identical details but seen a Canadian emblem on some cover-scans. BLongley 00:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Baen and Pocket as examlpes printed separate Canadian editions for awhile and both put a white maple leaf on the cover, here's an example [5].Kraang 02:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
I spent too long on A. E. van Vogt, and the Icshi site explaining them all, and how each chapter matches with the first publications. But if I go too far the other way we have to redo all the "Foundation Trilogy". Definite separation into "chunks" (consecutive chapters) that match existing recorded shortfiction is needed to make me support a collection, I'm sure. Requiring Titled sections I'm not quite sure of yet, but I suspect I can be persuaded. It's a matter of "what's recorded" versus "what's useful to know" again. BLongley 00:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Zelazny's Isle of the Dead

According to Locus #160 (June 3, 1974), your verified edition of this title was published in March, 1974. Price, catalog #, and page count all match their listing. MHHutchins 02:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Levack's Zelazny bibliography also gives the year as 1974 (but doesn't state the month). MHHutchins 02:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
The date I left in notes was only a guess. I'll change the date and add in the above info, but not tonight it's almost 2am in the morning and I need to be up by 7am.Kraang 05:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Submissions from Bluesman

Please keep an eye on the Badger/Fanthorpe submissions from User:Bluesman. I had to reject many (and create new submissions) because they were entered under the wrong title record. At least one that you accepted Chaos was entered under the Fanthorpe title record and not the "Thornton Bell" title record. Also, none of his submissions have the pound sign before the catalog number. I've left him messages, but he seems to have not found his way to the wiki talk pages. Maybe he'll get the messages that I left on those that I rejected. Thanks. MHHutchins 02:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just read your message on his talk page, so I see you're aware of the situation. Both of our messages were posted within minutes of each other! MHHutchins 02:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I put a couple of his in the reject awhile back also with the intent of leaving a message, maybe this time it will work. I knew the Chaos title was in the wrong place , I just figured I'd fix it when I returned to Fanthorpe's bio.Kraang 02:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
We probably ought to rework the Badger SF serial numbers to make them a bit more consistent, 17 have a hyphen and the rest don't. I chickened out on the Supernatural Stories as that might be considered a magazine - as I don't own any I'll leave that to others. Bluesman also seems to be entering the artist as "Henry Fox", which is probably the correct name but probably NOT what it says on the pub, based on my limited experience. (If he puts a name to the second signature though, point it out to me.) BLongley 19:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

The Angry Espers/The Puzzle Planet

I have noticed you use a format for the Ace doubles. This book does not reflect the Roman and Arabic numberals. The forward is shown as bp for page. I would have thought page ii or 2. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

All the Ace and Ace Doubles start with page 5 and 1 to 4 are unnumbered. In this case the page number to my mind is irrelevant so I've used this abbreviation "bp" (before pagination) --unpaginated pages that precede pagination.Kraang 01:10, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
I realized the numbering, but I would never have thought of before pagination. I did think back page. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Rogue Moon

I have the number s1057 on the Gold Medal bar left top cover. Also S1057 on top spine. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, all fixed.Kraang 01:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

The Forgotten Planet-Murray Leinster

Apologies. I have the Carroll & Graf version and uploaded the image from Amazon Uk. I am highly suspicious as I have two copies that are best described as super mint cherry. The Uk site says reprint edition 14 Mar 1996. If the image I loaded is correct then I suspect that Carroll & Graf is reprinting it's science fiction without attributing dates or/and they have recently dumped a (very)huge inventory on the market. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC) I also have several other books which you verified which no longer have pictures. Would you mind if I load the images and then you could verify or reject them? Sorry for being a pest, but our interest in books is very similar. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Mine is dated 1990 and the price of $3.95 would also support this. A pub from 1996 would be priced around $5.99. There could be a reprint, what's the cover price on yours?Kraang 01:25, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
My pricing is the same as yours, but I have noticed some Carroll & Graf reprints for other subjects that stayed the same as the original and did not show they reprinted it. I have often wondered it Carroll & Graf were pulling a scam on the owners of the material. They definitely can misrepresent it to the buyer. I just wanted to share my perceptions. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:18, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Farmer's Behind the Walls of Terra

According to Locus #170 (March 15, 1975), your verified copy of this title was published in January 1975. Hope this helps. MHHutchins 03:50, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info I'll add the date and change the note to explain the year. Thanks!Kraang 00:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


I've updated your verified Specimens

  • I changed the note about there being no credit and no signature to that the signature is legible.
  • I added the artist credit for Faragasso.
  • I added a cover image.
  • I'm tired and am powering down for the night but tomorrow I'll add a couple more notes about the derived ISBN and that it's an assumed first printing. (there's no number line). Marc Kupper (talk) 06:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I'll find my book and see if the signature was cut off at the bottom. Thanks.Kraang 00:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Only the very top of the signature is visible on my copy, cut short on the bottom and very easy to miss until I looked at it with a magnifing glass.Kraang 00:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Ninety Trillion Fausts Price?

In verifying my copy my price says $4.99 and C$5.99. You have $5.99. [6] .Thanks, Harry --Dragoondelight 15:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Mine is the copy with the cover that was printed for the Canadian market, it has only the Canadian price C$5.99. I'll update the pub and leave a better note. Thanks.Kraang 02:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you, I was unaware of how this would be handled. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:54, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

The Integral Trees

In checking my copy against the others, You have three verifications each with a different price and same date, and one with the same date not verified. I am confused by this. Mine is the same as the $3.50 price copy. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I have all three copies and they are as stated. The 3.50 is probably the US 1st, the 4.50 (printed in Canada) is the Canadian priced version. The 4.75 (printed in Canada) that states it's a first is a bit of a puzzle. The extra 3.50 listing is just a duplicate and I'll remove it.Kraang 00:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought they were printed in Canada with U.S. prices. Thanks Greatly, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Prior to 1988 when the U.S./Canada Free Trade Agreement (FTA) went into affect you would see books that stated $3.50 and would need to check the copyright page to see if it's Canadian or U.S. dollars. If a publisher manufactured a book in both the USA and Canada then then each edition started at printing #1 and maintained their own printing numbers though often the first printing date is the same. The FTA eliminated the tariff on books, among other things, meaning we now see dual priced books and the country where it was manufactured does not matter. Publishers made the transition to dual pricing before 1988 but I believe they still manufactured in both the USA and Canada up to 1988. I believe the dual pricing was a convenience in case they needed to move stock over the border (and pay the tariffs). Thus for the earlier books I look at the country field to determine if the price is U.S. or Canadian dollars. Note that the FTA has since been superseded by the NAFTA which also includes Mexico. I rarely see books for the USA market manufactured in Mexico though. Marc Kupper (talk) 10:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The Quincunx of Time

Does your verified The Quincunx of Time have a preface titled A Critical Preface: To Be Skipped by Friends of Fiction? I'm trying to understand why the copyright statement for my 1976 Arrow pub says "Copyright 1957, 1973, 1975." 1957 would be publication of the short story Beep, 1973 would be publication of novel The Quincunx of Time, and I'm trying to see what material was added/revised in 1975. Marc Kupper (talk) 07:21, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Mine also includes the preface on page 9 plus on the contents page "Prologue: a Frame on Randolph" page 15, next the title "The Song of the Beep" followed by ten chapters with titles and the page#(example-"Chapter One: A Little Slip of a Thing" page 29), it ends with an epilogue(An Epilogue: Which Asserts Nothing page 121). The copyright page has the following: Copyright ©1953,1973 by James Blish, This book is an expanded version of a shorter work entitled "Beep," originally published i Galaxy Magazine. Hope this helps.Kraang 02:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you - that adds to the confusion. I'll think a bit about this. Marc Kupper (talk) 10:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Planet of the Dreamers

Hi, bluesman is adding/has added a catalogue number #943 to your verified Pocket publication here. I've also found an image on Amazon & we'll add that if he confirms it matches his copy. Further, I've raised with him whether the publication month is May or July (Date field has May, notes say July). ...clarkmci/--j_clark 00:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

g'day mate! Just chiming in here to grovel for forgiveness for editing a verified record without letting you know first. Had a discussion about this very thing with DES barely five days ago and thought just adding would be okay without notifying first. As to the record in question, I did not change the publication date info, though it does seem backward, with the printing date in the record instead of the notes and vice-versa for the publication date.--Bluesman 20:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Fleet of Worlds

Added $C price to FLTFWRLDSH2007 . Curious if the ISBN on your copy splits differently than the pub record? My copy has 0-7653-1835-3, or does the Wiki transform it to the 1-3-5-1 format automatically? Won't make any difference to a search...--Bluesman 19:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

ISFDB (not the Wiki) does display the ISBN in some sort of "approved" format. It'll do the ISBN-10/ISBN-13 conversions too, whichever is entered. I believe the searches strip out the dashes but now you mention it I'm not sure that searching for one format will give you the other when it'll have a different check-digit... some research needed here, I think. BLongley 22:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
A quick check suggests that ISBN-13 searching is not as good as I hoped. E.g. 978-0-8037-3151-6 doesn't work but 0-8037-3151-5 does. And the dashes aren't stripped out, as 8037-3151 finds nothing and 80373151 does. BLongley 18:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
The four groups of digits in 10 digit ISBNs are easy to decode:
  • The first digit stands for the "region", e.g. 0 and 1 are reserved for the English speaking world;
  • The second group represents the publisher: major publishers like Ace and Knopf get a three digit code while minor publishers like Kakabeka get a 6 digit code.
  • The third group represents a unique numeric ID assigned by the publisher. Major publishers have 5 digits to play with (i.e. up to 99,999 unique IDs) while minor publisher have only 99 unique IDs assigned to them.
  • The fourth group always consists of one character, which can be a digit or an "X", and is a calculated checksum.
The ISFDB software has a list of major publishers built in, so it knows that, e.g., an ISBN code which begins with "0441" is an Ace publication and adds dashes accordingly. It's possible that the algorithm doesn't work too well for medium size publishers who are not included on the list, but are big enough to merit more than 99/999 unique IDs, but Al would know more about it. Ahasuerus 23:44, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Has ISFDB really got the major publishers? I thought it was just working from the formatting rules for certain number allocations. If it really knows the publisher ranges those should be pulled out and documented, if not coded for as another submission or display check. BLongley 18:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I am not entirely sure. I recall Al struggling with this issue at one point and finding something on the Web which helped him come up with a solution, but I don't recall the details :( Ahasuerus 00:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Marc looked at this for his ISBN conversion utilities, I think. Somewhere I have his spreadsheet that shows the working in detail, I just can't find it at present - but I'm pretty sure it wasn't on a named publisher basis. Of course, even if such data is based on publishers, it won't necessarily help with imprints/later publishers. I've traced the same ISBN through three or four publishers before. Even if we do establish the major prefixes we'll need some work on the later ownerships. :-/ BLongley 18:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

(Unindented) My copy is the same as yours and it appears the ISBN is converted to 0-765-31825-1. Some of their publications have the ISBN # as (0-7653)-1825-1, why the moved digit I don't know.Kraang 02:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Stopping at Slowyear

Added $C price to BKTG13641 . Isn't this a little long at 151 pages to be a chapbook? Or does the original length of 118 pages put it in that category?--Bluesman 17:35, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was nominated for the Hugo award in the novella category, so the Hugo people presumably did the math for us. Granted, they have some leeway in this area, but it's a reasonable first approximation. BTW, the Publication type is currently set to NOVEL, so there is no link back to the Title record. Ahasuerus 17:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
As long as someone is doing the math, who am I to quibble?? lol Wondered about the link as I couldn't find the pub until I did a title search. Would cloning it, adding it as a new novel then changing the pub type to shortfiction/novella/chapbook get it there? --Bluesman 18:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
No, CHAPTERBOOKs are currently inherently unstable. The discussion here suggests that people might finally have realised this is the current reality and a single-content ANTHOLOGY or COLLECTION might be an acceptable workaround in the meantime. But as always when I point at a thread where any sort of agreement has been reached, I worry that it might invite further disagreements ... BLongley 18:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Still, your problem finding the publication is one of the reasons I think we should adopt A workaround, so do feel free to join in. BLongley 18:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Bill is quite right that CHAPTERBOOks are currently unstable, but as an FYI, here is how the linking logic works for Publications at this time. It examines all Titles in the Publication -- one at a time -- and the first one that "matches" is linked. Thus, COLLECTION pubs get linked to COLLECTION Titles, NOVEL pubs get linked to NOVEL titles, CHAPTERBOOK pubs get linked to SHORTFICTION titles, etc. However, a NOVEL pub will not be linked to a SHORTFICTION title, which is why this pub is currently not linked back to the Title. Changing its type from NOVEL to CHAPTERBOOK will do the trick, but then we will have the stability problems that Bill mentioned. Ahasuerus 18:41, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
At the risk of confusing Bluesman and Kraang any more - is that logic searching for "first" going by record order, type order, alphabetical order? (I really should read the code sometime. I know it's in a language I've never used before, but apart from APL, PROLOG, and to some extent LISP, I can normally read code well enough to determine some of the underlying logic.) BLongley 19:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I am afraid I am not sure how it sorts the Title records internally, but -- in theory -- there should be only one NOVEL Title in a NOVEL Publication, one OMNIBUS Title in an Omnibus Publication, etc. If we have 2+ COLLECTION Titles in a COLLECTION Publication, then the latter should probably be changed to an Omnibus and an OMNIBUS Title created. Which reminds me that I need to get back to my correctness-completeness scripts now that I have some free time... Ahasuerus 19:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Gateway Trip

Added $C price to GATEWAYTP1990 . Since you are also a moderator: I also have a BOMC copy of this edition that is identical in every way with the trade edition other than there being no jacket price and on the copyright page where it says First Edition: November 1990, and below that the number line the BOMC edition replaces that with "BMOC offers recordings and compact discs, cassettes and records. For information and catalog write to BOMC, Camp Hill, PA 17012". Should this edition be entered as a separate entity with it's own pub record?--Bluesman 23:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes it should be entered.Kraang 02:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Just did a Transient Verification of WSPNHPXBKK1959 and have a question. Not about the book per se, but about the data entry. The publication date field has the printing date and the note has the publication date. Shouldn't it be the other way around? I have gathered in my short time here, that the actual date of publication is preferred as a book could be printed way ahead of actual release. I know that, in a lot of cases, the original dates of printings can only be had from the histories put in later editions/printings, and are accepted in lieu of a verifiable release date, but when both are immediately present...??--Bluesman 18:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

I decided to go with the printing date and note the publication date.Kraang 02:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Space Plague

Just did a transient & Currey verification on SPCPLGKKCT1957 and thought I would pass on that Currey calls this version "abridged" and notes the "revised" statement from the title page. Not sure if it's worth adding...? Some day I have to get a scanner working as my cover is cleaner than the one shown.--Bluesman 01:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The convoluted history of this novel is explained at the Title level, but more details is always a good thing :) Ahasuerus 02:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The High Destiny

This. [7] . My copy has 425-02434-075 on bottom spine. The 5 is 1/4 cut off by edge. On the front cover at top right I have 425-02434-075(symbol here) and what looks like a H with the left top line missing above the center line. Have you any idea what they were up to there? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 00:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The theory I came up with (more just a wild-assed guess) is that these were used in aiding optical scanning, either in distribution or in logging returned torn off covers. Later simular numbers and then later pre-UPC bar codes appeared on the inside front covers also probably for aiding returns. This is all just conjecture though.Don Erikson 16:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Away and Beyond

Just did a Transient on WYNDBYND1959 and checked the signature on the cover "rmpowers" and was wondering if it shouldn't be credited that way? Seem to remember something from another moderator about all the variant ways Powers has signed and can't recall one where he used both his initials like this...?--Bluesman 14:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Mission to the Stars

Was about to do a Transient & Currey on MSSNTTHSTR1955 but my copy has a cover price of $0.25, not $0.35. Is this a typo? Canadian edition? --Bluesman 01:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

The cover price is $0.35 and it's printed in Canada. Is yours printed in the US or Canada?Kraang 02:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
In the US. Will add a separate pub record. Thanks! --Bluesman 04:48, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

The Outcasts of Heven Belt-Price difference

This. [8] . My copy matches yours, but my price is $1.75. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll add this to the other books I have to check. Is your copy US or Canadian? The difference in price may be the country it's printed for.Kraang 03:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
My copy is printed in the U.S. with no other pricing. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Arthur C. Clarke's Venus Prime, Volume 1: Breaking Strain---cloned for 5th printing

This. [9] . I cloned off of your verification, but my edition appeared differently. My clone is a mess, but I submitted Breaking Strain: An Afterword by Arthur C. Clarke instead of what yours stated. I also added Avon + Byron Preiss Visual Publications, Inc. due to a discussion I had about books with concept publishers. I also modified the page count to reflect, with explanation, of what I saw. This is an advisory of what I did, and does not reflect on your verification as such. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Fred Pfeiffer's signature

FYI, User:Gloinson has apparently found Fred Pfeiffer's signature on the cover of your verified Bantam edition of A Specter is Haunting Texas. Ahasuerus 04:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I have. It's on the upper right side of the cover under the second moon. --Gloinson 04:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I've added a cover image.Kraang 15:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Galaxy Blues

I've updated your verified Galaxy Blues:

  • Changed the date from 2008-04-01 to 2008-04-00 to match what's stated.
  • Changed the page count from 321 to [10]+322 to match what's stated.
  • Changed the note "Stated 1st printing(per number line) of 2008 Ace ed." to include "April" in front of 2008.
  • Added an interiorart, Coyote Federation Spaceship: Pride of Cucamonga, by Rob Caswell on page [9].
  • Added an essay, Timeline: Coyote History (Galaxy Blues), on page 317.
  • Added an essay, Acknowledgments (Galaxy Blues), on page 321. While I usually don't include Acknowledgments when they are at the beginning of a publication I do when they are at the end and it will help accurately bracket the length of the preceding section (the Timeline in this case).
  • Added the following to the notes:
    • Stated
      Copyright © 2007 by Allen Steele.
      Published in serial form in Asimov's Science Fiction.
    • The copyright includes the following credit: "Illustration by Rob Caswell and Allen Steele." The illustration is on the unnumbered ninth page preceding the story and states "Illustration by Rob Caswell. Design by Allen Steele." As ISFDB does not have a way to credit illustration designers only Rob Caswell is credited for the artwork.
    • Timeline: Coyote History on pages 317 to 319 is an in-universe time line / essay and is fictional from our point of view.
    • The story title on the half-title and title page is stated as (Galaxy Blues) with the parentheses. Likewise, the titles for (Timeline: Coyote History) and (Acknowledgments) are stated with the parentheses. The parentheses appear to have been added for artistic affect and so have not been entered as part of the titles for this publication record. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Omega Point Trilogy

Is your verified pub THMGPNTTRL1983 a Canadian edition? I have a first US edition and the price on it is $2.75. Otherwise identical. Didn't want to change anything without knowing. Also, wouldn't "Mirror Of Minds" be a novella at only 77 pages? Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:51, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Ace never did any Canadian printings, but they did print some titles with two different covers, one with a US price and the other with a CDN price. My $2.95 was meant for the Canadian market. I'll change it to C$2.95 with a note. It's hard to tell which one you have, until another one with a differnt price turns up. The other title you mention appears to be a novella and I'll also adjust that. Thanks!Kraang 00:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Mine has both the contents and cover printed in the US. I'll enter it as a separate pub. Thanks! ~Bill. --Bluesman 05:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Adventures in Time & Space

Was about to do a transient on your verified pub DVNTDSPC141954 when I found a small error, but when checking what changing it might cause, I had ... pause. The story "Mechanical Mice" is by Maurice A. Hugi in the ToC but it is credited to Eric Frank Russell in the pub record with an AKA by Maurice G. Hugi. There is an actual author by that name, but both forms are credited to Russell as pseudonyms, both for this single story and no others. What will correcting this do? It should eliminate the "G" pseudonym, and eliminate two variant titles. But then...?? I'm a little hesitant to just go ahead with this. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:32, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Hugi was indeed a real person and wrote some SF, but this particular story was written by Russell and published under Hugi's name. To make things even more interesting, the story has been published using both "A." and "G." as the middle initial, apparently a typo. These cases are not very common, but they do happen, which is one reason why we have to create variant titles in addition to pseudonyms. It would make life much easier if we could simply say "All works published as by A were actually written by B", but no such luck...
In any case, the safest way to correct these types of issues is to follow the remove-add-merge routine. In some cases there are shortcuts that can be used -- if you understand the underlying database structures -- but we don't need to go there quite yet :) Ahasuerus 05:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
It looks like this is now missing a title.Kraang 01:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Quite correct, but now the story in question is back in. With so many anthologies I have found it useful to put a Post-it® on any book with changes and leave it on my desk, where I have to see it, but I didn't start that until about half way through. Thanks for noting this! Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:45, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Now that Kraang has approved the addition of the "A. Hugi" version, I have set it up as a variant title and it looks like we are all set :) Ahasuerus 03:15, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Year of the Unicorn

Just a note that Don has found the publication date of your verified second Ace printing of this book. Ahasuerus 23:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.Kraang 00:12, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The Other Side of the Moon

The editor Markwood has updated your verified The Other Side of the Moon to

  • Add the cover artist Richard Powers
  • Add the note "Cover art by Richard Powers per page 120 of 'The Art of Richard Powers' by Jane Frank." --Marc Kupper|talk 21:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Noted, thank!Kraang 00:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

6th Annual Edition: the Year's Best S-F

I see that you have Bluesman's proposed change from "A Rose by Other Name . . ." to "A Rose by Other Name" on hold, presumably because it would change all other appearances of this title. Would you like me to explain this to him if you are in a hurry? I have been working with him on this class of issues for the last few days and he is making progress :) Ahasuerus 01:03, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

And here I thought I'd be in the corner with the dunce cap on forever!!! ;-)--Bluesman 15:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Just left a note on his talk page about this. If you would like I can let you handle any further changes to this pub., this way he won't have to many people giving similar instructions. Thanks!Kraang 01:46, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
No worries, I simply had some free time over the long weekend, so I spent it decompressing on the Wiki, which seems to be therapeutic. Never got to work on Fixer, alas, and now it's back to saving the world. Or is it destroying the world? Hm, I'll have to check my schedule for the week... Ahasuerus 01:57, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Vault of the Ages

Added content to VLTFTHGSLV1969, an essay by Anderson: The Time Capsule. An oddity: the essay starts on page vii and ends on page xi, then a blank page then the novel starts on page 13. Don't think I've seen this kind of numeral mixing before. Put in a note about this. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:55, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

John Grimes omnibuses from the SFBC

Can you check to see whether these two collections have an ISBN? According to Locus1. John Grimes: Reserve Commodore has the ISBN 0-7394-3965-0, and John Grimes: Rim Runner has the ISBN 0-7394-4794-7. Back in the mid-90s the SFBC began assigning ISBNs to their original publications. In these cases the catalog number (from the dustjacket) would be placed in the pub record's notes field. Thanks. MHHutchins 01:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I did the set at two different times, half one way(club #) and the other half with the ISBN#. I've standardized all six volumes and put the book club # in notes. Thanks!Kraang 04:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

2nd Foundation: Galactic Empire

Added a note to NDFNDTNGLC1958 that this was originally published as Second Foundation and changed the designation of the pub from "Collection" to "Novel". It's definitely not a collection; not sure what this will do to the title record. The artwork sure looks like Powers. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Sean, I'm leaving this in the queue for you to approve/reject. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Bill have a look at this Wikipedia[10] article, it will give you a better idea why this is classified as a collection. If I change this to a novel then I'll have to change all the others. There was also a discussion about this in the past and the consensus fell towards a collection.Kraang 02:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Aha. I knew there had been a serial, just not that it wasn't for the whole book. The note is still valid, but reject the designation change. Thanks for the feedback! ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I approved the original update and then edited the publication to change the type back to COLLECTION. The net result is the addition of the note "Originally published as Second Foundation" on the title page. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Asimov's The Stars, Like Dust

Can you double-check to see if your verified copy of this title has a comma in the title? I just accepted another Fawcett Crest printing that had no comma. Thanks. MHHutchins 06:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. The submitter checked and his has a comma in the title. Thanks anyway. MHHutchins 06:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

A Million Open Doors

I approved an update by Bluesman to your verified A Million Open Doors to add "$5.99 in Canada." to the notes. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Kraang (Sean) is one of 5 eds/mods who asked me not to bother leaving a note when the only addition is the price. I still let all of them know of any other changes/additions. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Manifold: Space

Used LOCUS to source the artist for MNFLDSPC2002 and left a note to that effect, plus one about the excerpt in the back. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Approved. Thanks!Kraang 01:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


Eggleton's signature is on the cover of RAFT1992 about 1/3 the way up on the left side just outside the ship. Massaged the notes to add that and the usual $C price. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Approved. Thanks!Kraang 01:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


Added a couple of notes to RING1996 about the interior illustration(s) and them being credited to Les Edwards. Also added the Author's Note from page 497. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 06:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Sean - I left this on hold for you to look at as I'm wondering why Bill did not use an INTERIORART. Maybe it's a really minor drawing though as it's credited I'd assume an INTERIORART should be used. Please review/approve/reject as you see fit. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
To me it (a glass orb sitting on a tripod with something inside it) is more a decoration, especially when it's on every part title page (3/4" wide and 1" tall). Maybe that's why it wasn't entered before? It's not in the HC edition. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
That's fine - it looks like Kraang approved your update and then added the Les Edwards interiorart credit plus a cover image. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
All fixed. It's really very minor art work to get credit for, the least he could have done was make each one different!Kraang 04:01, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

If you look at the above, maybe take a second to check the title page of VCMDGRMSXZ2001 as it has "Tales of the Xeelee Sequence" on it, as the other pubs have. ~Bill, --Bluesman 06:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

In Alien Flesh

Just an FYI that Bluesman has changed "Afterwords(Not in content page)" to "Afterword (In Alien Flesh)" in your verified In Alien Flesh. Ahasuerus 04:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and sorry Sean, had only added the C$ price and noticed this at the end and just missed dropping a note.~Bill, --Bluesman 05:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Bedlam Planet

Just did a transient on BDLMPLNT1968 and corrected a mis-spell in the notes (staed to stated) and finished the spine #, adding-050 to the end. Glad to see someone else types like I do. Swear there are days when i can't type my own name without mis-spelling it , twice!! Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:10, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Into the Slave Nebula

Added a note to NTTHSLVNBL1968 that the artist was uncredited but Freas' initials were on the cover, just to identify the source. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The Traveller in Black

Added a note to TVLRNB1971 quoting the copyright page that this was a completely revised text. I also deleted the previous note from (DWE) = Don Erikson?? about the artists as they are credited on the back cover. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:18, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Added artist: Leo Dillon+Diane Dillon
  • DWE's note replaced. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:58, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Worlds for the Taking

Added Gaughan's interior art piece for WRLDSFTT1966. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Approved - I personally would have done the interiorart as credited to JG and VT the thing. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Captives of the Flame / The Psionic Menace

I approved a Bluesman update to Captives of the Flame / The Psionic Menace

  • Add EMSH to artists - the pub notes already had "Artists signature on cover "EMSH" Ed Emshwiller." --Marc Kupper|talk 21:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

FWIW - the image link is broken. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

From outer Space

Added some notes to FRMTRSPCLT1957 re: cover statements; lack of publishing/printing data (though Currey has the date as 1957). ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Tomorrow's Gift

I have a US edition of TMRRWSGFTL1958 and it has the same 'blacking out' as the Canadian printing, but then both covers were printed there. Left a note anyway plus one that Currey has the catalog # as 297K. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Beyond the Stars

Found GAUGHAN on the cover of BYNDTSTRS1963 and added him to the field with a note (Just to the right of the 'control mechanism') ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Zelazny's Dilvish the Damned

Can you double-check the price of the first 1982 printing of this title? Geis' fanzine SFR #46 states the price as $2.50, and Bill Longley has verified the 1985 edition as $2.95. Thanks. MHHutchins 22:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It's $3.25. This is one of those printings from Del Rey that's done in the US but has a Canadian price.Kraang 03:35, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
So do you think perhaps we should change the price to C$3.25 on your verified copy? Then we can enter the US first printing with the $2.50 price. Thanks. MHHutchins 05:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

== The Web of the City

Added the introduction to the contents of WBFTHCTY1983. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:47, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Invasion from Mars [2]

Added "Interplanetary Stories" to the title of ANCL00315 to match the title page and cover. Oddly enough, that's all there is on the spine. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Behind the Walls of Terra

Added Gaughan's artwork on the title page of BEHWLLST1970 to the content with a note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The Day of Timestop

Added a note to WMNDWPPHNT1968 that Currey mistakenly has the title as "The Day of the Timestop". ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Not in Solitude

Massaged the notes for NTNSLTDCBM1961 as it doesn't have any statement of printing, just the Berkley publishing date. The artwork looks like Powers, but I'm not sure of that. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Utopia Minus X

Added Gaughan's interior art to the contents of TPMNSX1966 with matching notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Waldo: Genius in Orbit

Found EMSH on the cover of WLDOMGI1958 and added notes citing Currey for the pub's date, artist, no printing data, reprint of Waldo & Magic Inc. and the page #'s of the two stories. ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Soul Catcher

Found Bob Pepper's signature on SLCTCHRRTW1973 and added that with a note. Also added a note about the printing as the copyright page doesn't state first printing, though first edition seems a given. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The Planet Wizard

Added the uncredited/unsigned interior art piece from THPLNTWZRD1969 to the contents, and a note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The Time Bender

Magnified and verified the signature as Powers on THTMBNDRWP1966. Adjusted the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Submissions to change three of your verified pubs on hold

I've placed these on hold so that you can participate in the discussion. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:12, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

World Out of Mind

Corrected the artist's name on WRLDTFMNDF1955, we both verified it with "Robert Powers" instead of "Richard Powers". I won't tell if you won't..... :) ~BIll, --Bluesman 15:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Zahn's Manta's Gift

Can you verify the spelling of the cover artist in your copy of this title? We have both "Stephen" and "Stephan" (which is the correct spelling according to his website.) Thanks. MHHutchins 05:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The spelling is correct on "Manta's Gift" it's "Stephen". I have the hc of this and it's spelled "Stephan".
Same situation with Ben Bova's The Asteroid Wars and Ian McDonald's River of Gods. Thanks. MHHutchins 05:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
These two I've corrected to "Stephan".Kraang 02:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

The Quantum Rose-added Author's Note/cover image.

This. [11]. I added the 'Author's Note: Quantum Rose' as it appeared to have some substance. Added notes and cover image. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Ben Bova's The Multiple Man

Can you check the publication date on your verified copy of this title? Locus #205 (October 1977) states the book was published in September 1977. Thanks. MHHutchins 06:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

It's September. Thanks!Kraang 02:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The Greks Bring Gifts

User:Bluesman added a cover image to your verified The Greks Bring Gifts. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Did you intend to append my auto-biography?? :-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
No and I'm thinking Sean needs to archive the page. If you look at the edit history there's no reason for the text to show up and you don't see it here in the edit session either. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
That was my mistake. I was in a hurry and used {{User:Bluesman}} instead of [[User:Bluesman]]. The first version called up Bluesman's page as a template. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Debt of Ages

I uploaded a new cover image for the ebook edition I cloned off your verified pub Debt of Ages. If my image is more correct than the one from amazon (the amazon image doesn't have the title text on it for some reason) feel free to copy the link from the ISFDB wiki. Kevin 04:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Engine City

Added the artist, Stephan Martiniere, to ENGINECTY2003, he is credited on the jacket. Plus a note on edition and that LOCUS has a different date of publication. --Bluesman 21:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Life Force

As part of a long thread elsewhere you posted "The last book "Printed in Canada" that I have is dated Sept 1988 Daw# 757, after this there all printed in the US.Kraang 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)"

Is that this publication? My DAW spreadsheet has an unverified 1st at $2.95 and an unverified 1st at $3.95. For both I left the country blank but would assume the $2.95 entry is USA and $3.95 is Canada. If you have your copy handy can you take a look?
  • Does your front cover have a pair of lines in vertical text that read "SF 88677-UE2297" and "(CANADA $3.95) • U.S. $2.95"?
Yes to the above but the price is "(CANADA $4.95) • U.S. $3.95"
  • Also does the front cover have a DAW logo with 757 under it?
  • Does the spine have "0-88677-297-4 396" as a single line?
No.The US price is above the CDN price the the ISBN#.
  • On the title page to they have the thing about North American Libary just above the address?
No that is gone.
  • Is the address on the title page Donald A. Wollheim, publisher / 1633 Broadway, New York, NY 10019?
The address is also gone.
  • Is the copyright 1988?
  • Is the number line 1 to 9?
Thank you! --Marc Kupper|talk 06:12, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Marc keep in mind that all the Canadian printings up to this point from DAW#407/411 all start with "2", the last this way is #695 that I own. There may be others after this. So this is a return to the 1 to 9 type numberline for CDN and the last CDN printing that I'm aware of.Kraang 02:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I did not know that. So you are saying from #1 to ~407 Canadian editions started with 1, that from ~411 to ~695 they start with 2, and that since ~695 they are starting with 1 again? --Marc Kupper|talk 07:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes to all of the above. Any of the CDN printings between ~407/411 and ~695 that start with a "2" I would be inclined to entered them as 1st printings, ones that begin with a "3" I would enter as unknown(0000-00-00). It maybe that some bright spark at DAW felt if there was a US and CDN printing then the US should be recognized as 1st and the CDN 2nd even if they're printed and issued at the more or less the same time.Kraang 23:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


Added the month of publication to XLTNTSNKRC2005 from LOCUS, adjusted the note accordingly. --Bluesman 22:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The Multiplex Man

Added a very tiny cover image to your verified BKTG06354 that has no discernable discrepancies from my copy of the same 1st edition. To say it "matches" would significantly overstate the amount of legible detail... --MartyD 21:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The Martians

I identified a new short story in your verified pub THMRTNSGXT2000. 'Discovering Life' did not appear in the hardcover edition and was added without much fanfare. My copy in hand matches all the points for your pub, but this is the biggest change to a verified pub I've done so I wanted to make sure you were aware of it. - Thanks Kevin 21:03, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I would also like your opinion on converting the title "Some Worknotes.... by Charlotte Dorsa Brevia" to a piece of fiction with 'by Charlotts Dorsa Brevia' as part of the title, and then attributing the work to Kim Stanley Robinson instead of the (to me) fictional 'Charlotte Dorsa Brevia'. - Thoughts? Kevin 21:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Mike went ahead and made a decision on this issue after I brought it to his attention on his verified hardcover edition. Here is a link to our brief discussion on his talk page. Thanks - Kevin 01:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I saw the first change when I approved it. Thanks for the heads up on the second one.Kraang 03:02, 9 March 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for that template. It has actually streamlined the "process". --Bluesman 00:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I just discovered it when I looked at one of the other Mod's entry. I then went and found DES's( I think) templates. As you say it streamlines the "process".Kraang 01:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The Shiva Option

I updated your verified pub SHVAPTN2003 with notes and I added an interior art content item for the two maps. The maps are uncredited in the paperback edition, but per the verified Hardcover record, they can be identified with an artist. - thanks Kevin 19:27, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The X Factor #G-646

I am trying to date the #92551 printing of Nortons 'The X Factor' - The ads in my copy mention Ace A-10 (pg 159), G-630 (pg 2) and G-634 (pg 160) as the last item. Since each of these items precedes the original paperback printing G-646,, or is contemporary to 1967 (your printing year) I was thinking that this reprint may have just reprinted all the same ads. Could you please check you copy of THXFCTR1967 and see if those same ads are printed in your copy? - Thanks Kevin 17:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Your correct, the ads are identical to my 1st printing G-646.Kraang 16:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I have updated the notes on my pub to indicate the ads are reprinted as well. Kevin 04:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Dan Simmons' Lovedeath

I changed the note at the end of this collection to reflect that it's about the story "The Great Lover" and not the entire collection. In changing my title it changed the one in your paperback copy as well. If it's different in yours, please let me now and I'll return it to the original title. Also, I wondered if your copy has the camel-back "D" in the title. Mine doesn't, so I changed the record for the hardcover. Thanks. MHHutchins 03:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

No camel-back "D" either, so I changed my title to match. Thanks.Kraang 20:06, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Big Planet cover artist

Hi. While adding this image to BIGPLN1967 I saw your note about the unknown source of the Ed Emshwiller credit. In my copy's cover, I see what might be a cropped EMSH: "EM" in the lower right corner. You can see it in the image, too, although it's a little washed out. The edge of my copy is a little bit rubbed right in that spot, so I can't tell if there might be the beginnings of an "S". Maybe your cover is in better condition? --MartyD 12:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The "SH" are missing on my copy but the "EM" are classic Ed Emshwiller initials. Go a head and update the note. Thanks!Kraang 16:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, done. Thanks for checking it. --MartyD 19:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


I went to 2nd verify your pub Scatterbrain and it's a bit turned around. I would like to make many title changes to the contents and update the notes. (If you would rather do this, just let me know, otherwise ...) I will get to it in a few days. Thanks Kevin 04:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

This sounds like a major rewrite. What's wrong with it?Kraang 00:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
All but the first content items with (Scatterbrain) or (Excerpt), need additional spaces in the titles, one (Scatterbrains) needs to become singular. Many of the essay's do not need (Scatterbrain) added to the title (unless there is a documented other essay with different content of the same name). Notes need updated to document which items don't appear in the table of contents (The Saturns War stuff comes to mind at a minimum, Has a single TOC entry, but it's listed as two items), and I would doublecheck that other items don't need double entries (once for essay and again for the fiction). Basically it looks like someone new-ish to ISFDB entered the contents, and then both you and DES verified a clone of those entries, that's all. I asked first in this case because it's not a simple or single title fix, and I wanted to check in with you first before I started, that's all. Thanks Kevin 03:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good go ahead.Kraang 00:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The Exile of Time

Regarding your verified publication.

  • I added a cover image.
  • I have added three notes. Probably the biggest puzzle is the Alex Schomburg artist credit. You verified this, Jim Gardner on Amazon also says it's a Schomburg work but the only credit I could see is "Alex" on the painting. Marc Kupper (talk) 17:55, 25 Mar 2008 (CDT)
Found this book in the first box I pulled out and it was it looking right at me. That other book I was going to check for you has been rather hard to find and I,ve looked twice.The name "Alex" is chopped off on my copy so I probably found the name already in the data base and checked Abebooks to see if it was supported by others. This being an early edit/verification there are bound to be a few errors/mistakes/omissions. :-)Kraang 19:41, 25 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Added cover credit

I added cover credit for your verified Ace edition of Reynold's AFTER UTOPIA (FTRUTOP1977) from the signature.Don Erikson 20:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

The Dark Night of the Soul = The Genius Heap

One of the stories in this verified pub is The Dark Night of the Soul by James Blish. According to my copy of the book it is a variant of The Genius Heap. I submitted this change. Thanks Willem H. 15:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!Kraang 01:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Thuvia, Maid of Mars

Didn't Krenkel do the cover art for Burroughs' Mars series published by Ace? This record credits Abbett who did the Ballantine covers. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The wrong publisher was listed , it should be Ballantine, all fixed. Thanks!Kraang 01:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Menace from Earth

[This] pub record seems incorrect. There are two other Signet printings with 50¢ prices that are '62 & '64 printings. Shouldn't this one be after that? The 8th printing was in '75 and the note quotes a seventh. ?? ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:07, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I put my verification on the wrong one. It should be on the D2105, fixed now. I've also changed the date to unknown for the incorrect one. Thanks!Kraang 03:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

A Canadian thing

Can you check [[12]] this out and maybe add a C¢ or two?? I am stumped. MartyD is a new editor and this is a good tooth-cutter. ~bill, --Bluesman 03:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)