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"phalium arium ssp."

Could you check Event Horizon 2018 for the title of "Phalium arium ssp. anam(s)"? I would like to double-check whether there is an s at the end: it has appeared both ways in different publications. Thanks. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 19:21, 1 January 2019 (EST)

It has an 's' in that pub. The Cast of Wonders link shows it was an 's' there also. Looking at the Amazon Look Inside for Luna Station Quarterly (the one that didn't have an 's'), it shows it with an 's' there in the ToC. Looks like it has always been an 's'. I've merged the two records. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:20, 1 January 2019 (EST)
I am pretty sure that it does say "anam" at the head of the story in LSQ--I checked that when I entered the magazine. I can't double check now because I am trying to work on a mobile device. If you open the preview of the print edition in Amazon (while logged in) and use the search feature at the left, you should be able to see how it is printed. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 20:41, 1 January 2019 (EST)
The only two results both show "anams". However, it won't actually show me the page with the second one. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:14, 1 January 2019 (EST)
OK,good enough. Sorry to bug you, thanks for you patience. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 22:17, 1 January 2019 (EST)
No problem, anytime. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:18, 2 January 2019 (EST)

The SFWA European Hall of Fame

There is apparent a typewriting error in Your PV pub. In contents there is p.252 "Verstummte Musik" and in notes "Verstummite Musik". Can You have a look, please? --Zapp 09:01, 6 February 2019 (EST)

My verification is a transient one which means I do not possess the book to check. As the tp version has also been verified, I am assuming the contents are correct and have changed the notes to match. If you have a question on the actual name, you will have to ask Willem H. as he is the only active permanent verifier. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:24, 6 February 2019 (EST)

Gail Carrager Photo

I have at least one book with that same photo of Gail Carrager, as I recall on the rear jacket flap. If you want me to, I'll scan it in. Bob 20:41, 1 October 2019 (EDT)

Appreciate the offer. Ahasuerus found an alternate URL so we're good for the moment. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:02, 2 October 2019 (EDT)

The Year's Best Fantasy & Horror: Seventeenth Annual Collection

You are a primary verifier of this edition: I have submitted a OCLC external ID & amplified the pub note. Mike 11:27, 9 October 2019 (EDT)

I see your edit was rejected over the date. I'm not sure why. It would have been better to have approved it and the reverted the date vs. loosing all your changes. I have gone ahead and copied them from the rejected edit into the pub. This was one of my early verifications. Thanks for expanding on it. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2019 (EDT)

'Add Artist' button

Hi, thanks for your welcome message. I'm trying to co-credit a second artist here but when I go to the Edit page, the 'Add Artist' button is not there. The coverart guidance doesn't seem to cover it.

What am I missing here? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 11:52, 15 November 2019 (EST)

Sorry, I've posted this on the community portal, so no need to respond here :) Kev. BanjoKev 12:16, 15 November 2019 (EST)

No problem. I wasn't around so Help Desk was better choice. ;-) -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:21, 18 November 2019 (EST)


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Thanks for the info. Enjoy. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:39, 24 November 2019 (EST)

Partial images

Taking this discussion aside as it is tangential in the context of your assertion that "We treat cropping, extracts, color changes, etc. as still the same art.". It's hard to find any statement of such a policy, I couldn't find one. The Help entry for MakeVariant states "Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or a different author.". It provides no explanation for either the translation (TITLE) variants or image (COVERART or INTERIORART). Would you add your statement and a similar one for translations to the help entries to make this a bit clearer?

You used the phrase "the most common title or first appearance" without suggesting which. My only reason for raising the images is that it introduces a new alternative that applies to images - completeness. Not that I care which it is, but I figure if I wonder, so will others, so I asked the question.

Another aspect is INTERIORART vs COVERART - we don't keep the images for INTERIORART and it's usually a collective thing rather than single thing so likely needs to be kept separate from the COVERART rules. But cover art is sometimes selected from the interior art of the same or an earlier edition (I've run across it often with Jules Verne). Would those be variants in some way?

In summary: Art takes on the title of the pub and date of first publication of the image under that title. Art without pubs (e.g. originals in galleries etc) is whatever date is assigned to the artworks 'completion'. For varianting, my preference for parent would be earliest published as a) we've little that refers to originals and b) it won't change back and forth as we discover more printing/publications. Thanks for listening. ../Doug H 15:42, 8 December 2019 (EST)

You bring up a number of topics:
  • Variants vs. Translations: Translations are not covered in the variant help, because they have their own help. Translations and variants use the same varianting process, but they are different things. As such, they are covered separately.
  • Merging Cover Art: It may not be spelled out in the help, but it has been standard practice for a long time that we merge minor differences in artwork vs. leaving as separate records. It is the same principle used with non-art records (where if there are only minor changes, we merge with a note) only we are more aggressive in our cover merges. This is because we are predominately a written database and not an art database. Also, I personally find it more user friendly. It's easier to go to your Battlefield Earth example to see all the covers vs. having them separated out into multiple, independent records for the minor differences.
  • Cover Art Parent Title: First appearance is a good choice in most cases. However, sometime a given image is best known under a different name. This can happen when it's associated with a better known latter work, has been given a title by the artist, or is taken from a classical artwork. In those cases, using the better known name is probably a better choice.
  • Interior Art: Interior art can be entered as a single record for all art in the publication or as individual records for each separate artwork. It's up the verifier.
  • Cover & Interior Art Variants: If an image has been used as a cover and as interior art, we variant them together. This requires the interior art to have been entered as separate records for each artwork. Here is an example of an image that has been used for three different publications and as four separate interior artworks.
Clarifying the help is always a good thing, but it requires a R&S discussion first. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:55, 8 December 2019 (EST)