User talk:Dirk P Broer/Archive-2014

New Worlds 165

Hi Dirk, a few things on your verified New Worlds 165. The Aldiss story 'Amen and Out' is as by "Brian W. Aldiss", not Brian Aldiss as the record currently states, and there are pieces of interior art by James Cawthorn, as by "J. Cawthorn", illustrating several individual stories. Also, the letters at the back contain several familiar names: Stableford, Harding, Strauss, Poole. I can go ahead and add all these, if that's acceptable to you. Thanks. PeteYoung 23:33, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Please do improve the record as suggested!--Dirk P Broer 12:37, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Done. PeteYoung 14:21, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Cherryh's Brothers of Earth

I've added the interior art and a possible cover artist to the Note for our verified pub. PeteYoung 20:56, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I found a webpage where a certain David Fairbrother-Roe claims to be the artist.--Dirk P Broer 12:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Good find, duly updated. Thanks. PeteYoung 14:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Fantastic Universe, March 1958

Have added a a cover scan of my verified copy to http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?91931 Prof beard 11:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Again, a better scan than my original could have provided! You must be the first owner of that copy, and/or it must have been better preserved.--Dirk P Broer 20:04, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Shadow Puppets

Hello, I've replaced the amazon scan and changed number of pages from 147 (?) to 477 for your verified here. Hauck 14:50, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Must have been a severe case of thick fingers...Thanks for correcting!--Dirk P Broer 00:16, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Matthew Paris

Hello, Dirk! Is there really some signficant hint that this author lived in the 13th century? Stonecreek 14:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I guess we're being spoofed by Hilary Bailey and friends...--Dirk P Broer 14:21, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Also, please note that semicolons no longer work as URL delimiters, so the software treats "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Paris;http://www.nndb.com/people/377/000096089/" as a single URL. Ahasuerus 15:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Corrected that, thanks!--Dirk P Broer 15:50, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

The Rebel Worlds

Have replaced the Amazon link with a scan of my verified copy in The Rebel Worlds http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?117841 Prof beard 14:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Knave & the Game

Added notes, links & cover scan to Knave & the Game.SFJuggler 05:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I see the cover, but no notes or links. What are they about?--Dirk P Broer 08:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

The Courts of Chaos

Can you check the price on your copy of http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?351290 please? My copy has £1.95 AliHarlow 19:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I checked, and it is as I stated in the record: reprinted in 1983 and 1984, so a 3rd edition (I can even add that the price in Malta is also £1.50). You may have an even later edition, or you have also a 3rd edition but the price is overprinted over the original one. I bought my copy on 18-12-1986 and the price is on the lower part of the backcover on a 4.5 by 11 cm white rectangle including the ISBN-10 above the barcode and a code that is identical to the ISBN-13 below it. Below the IBN-10 there is 00150, indicating the price.--Dirk P Broer 20:28, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks; new publication created. --AliHarlow 22:43, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Anna Kath[a|e]rine Green pseudonym

The Saved by the Belle content entry, with the "e" misspelling, isn't verified and does not cite a source. I cannot find any contents listings for it anywhere, either. If you don't have any objections, I am inclined to assume a data entry typo, until proven otherwise, and to correct the spelling instead of making the pseudonym. Let me know what you think. --MartyD 01:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to think it was a typo by the original editor (at least partly supported by this).--Dirk P Broer 10:33, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Ok, I will reject the pseudonym and fix the spelling instead. Thanks. --MartyD 12:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

The Courts of Chaos by Zelazny

Can you confirm the price given in this record? Another editor has added a 1984 printing, but priced at £1.95. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. I see you've already responded to the same situation a couple of topics. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

The Green Pearl

Hello, I've added some notes, a new scan and changed title to match title page for your verified here, ditto for _Planet of Adventure_. Hauck 18:42, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Helliconia Winter

Can you check the author on your copy of 16821 please? My copy has Brian Aldiss (No middle initial) on the title page (as well as the copyright page and spine. Thanks. --AliHarlow 21:17, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

You are right, my copy also has 'Brian Aldiss' (No middle initial) on the title page (as well as the copyright page). The spine just says 'Aldiss' though.--Dirk P Broer 19:52, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --AliHarlow 20:21, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Native Tongue

In this edition you show 301 pages which is the novel itself, but shouldn't the three page appendix (From: A First Dictionary and Grammar of Láadan) be included somehow? Thanks --AliHarlow 20:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

You are absolutely right...--Dirk P Broer 21:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I have your submission to add this ESSAY, but it was entered as NONFICTION. I'll accept it and then change it to the correct type. You should also update the page count field if you're going to include material which isn't included in the novel's page count. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:35, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Is it an essay? I'd say it is part of a dictionary, as the title suggests. That qualifies as non-fiction with me, an essay is prose. The three pages with the Appendix are all unnumbered, I'll change it to 301+3.--Dirk P Broer 10:04, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Using the current ISFDB definitions, a nonfiction work which is contained in a larger publication is entered as ESSAY (except if it's a review). NONFICTION is the publication type of a publication record (a container) for a book-length work of nonfiction, even if it's a single essay published as a stand-alone publication (in that case, the publication would be typed as NONFICTION and the content would be typed as ESSAY.) Mhhutchins 18:49, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, the page count field should be entered as "301+[3]" with the brackets indicating the pages are not numbered. Mhhutchins 18:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Oké, done as suggested.--Dirk P Broer 09:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Dmitriĭ Glukhovskiĭ

Looking at Dmitriĭ Glukhovskiĭ's Bibliography page, it would appear that you may have been misled by the way OCLC records translations. The way they do it, the actual printed name is found in the "Responsibility" field rather than in the "Author" field. If you check the Web, the German translation, the Polish translation, the Czech translation, the French translation, and the Spanish translation are all attributed to "Dmitry Glukhovsky". "Dmitriĭ Glukhovskiĭ" is a transliterated form of the author's name which is used by OCLC to record Russian editions, although they seem to be in the process of embracing Cyrillic and other alphabets.

Ideally, we would also use the original Cyrillic name, but there are some technical issues which we need to overcome first (hopefully later this year.) For now I think we would be better off if we continued using Dmitry Glukhovsky as the canonical name. Ahasuerus 02:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I must have goofed-up, my intention was really to have Dmitry Glukhovsky as the canonical name and Dmitriĭ Glukhovskiĭ as an alias.--Dirk P Broer 10:07, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

The underlying problem is that, AFAIK, there are no publications attributed to "Dmitriĭ Glukhovskiĭ". In most languages his name is spelled "Dmitry Glukhovsky" -- e.g. see this Turkish edition -- in Serbian he is "Dmitrij Gluhovski", and perhaps there are other versions, but "Dmitriĭ Glukhovskiĭ" is not used. It's just the way OCLC decided to transliterate his name based on their (far from universal) transliteration rules. What we want to do is enter his name the way it appears in these translated pubs and then create pseudonyms if necessary. Ahasuerus 15:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

As per the discussion above, I have changed the affected pubs and titles based on OCLC records and various cover scans available on the Web. Ahasuerus 06:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Looking good now! You even managed to find more aliases...--Dirk P Broer 21:59, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

The Einstein Intersection

I've added overseas prices to the note for our verified pub. Thanks. PeteYoung 06:43, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

West of the Sun

I've added overseas prices to the note for our verified pub. Thanks. PeteYoung 16:50, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Best Science Fiction Stories of Clifford D. Simak

I added Armand Weston as cover artist to this verified pub. Bill (Bluesman) tipped me here. --Willem H. 20:44, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Good find!--Dirk P Broer 23:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Best from F&SF, Eighth

Added an artist credit to [this] from initials on the cover. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:24, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

The Syndic

Hi, I discovered Eddie Jones' signature on the guy's belt on the cover of this Sphere 1971 edition. For a good magnification, look here. Could you perform the update? Thanks! Horzel 23:16, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Since the record states that the cover isn't credited, you should note the source of the credit ("a visible signature"). Mhhutchins 01:46, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Cover credit for All My Sins...

I changed the cover art credit of this record from "Peter A. Jones" to the canonical form of the name, since he isn't credited in any form in the publication itself. Mhhutchins 23:58, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Same situation with this record. We only credit pseudonymous forms of a name if that is actually used in the publication. Mhhutchins 23:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Seven Trips Through Time and Space

Hi. I have corrected the page number of the Introduction of your verified (1 to 3). Thanks. Linguist 09:33, 29 March 2014 (UTC).

The page in question is A. Not numbered and B. Not page 1 by any means of counting, but an un-numbered page 3 instead. I think the correct way of representing should be [3].--Dirk P Broer 10:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Right, I'll add the brackets. Thanks. Linguist 10:48, 29 March 2014 (UTC).

The Year's Best Science Fiction No. 1

Replaced Amazon image with new cover scan for your verified. Thanks. Linguist 13:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC).

Follow-up to creating pseudonyms

After you've made one author into a pseudonym of another, please follow that up by making the pseudonymous title records into variants under the canonical author's name. I waited a few days, but then went ahead and made the title published by "Matthew B. Tepper" into a variant. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:53, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry!--Dirk P Broer 20:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was a simple oversight, because you're one of the most conscientious editors when it comes to doing this. I wish others would do as good as you. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [1]. Also made a note of the probable cover artist.Don Erikson 23:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Seeing that the 'i' and 'u' are next to each other on the keyboard: Brice or Bruce Jensen?--Dirk P Broer 20:51, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Gail Kimberly

What is the source for the new birthdate which you want to give to this author? Neither of the websites which you link support that date. In fact, SFE3 gives it as ten years later, and the obituary doesn't give a birthdate at all. Mhhutchins 21:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Ah ha. Just as I posted this you linked a source in the bio page. I'll accept the submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:30, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome--Dirk P Broer 21:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

The Complete Assignment in Eternity Stories

I added the contents and some notes to this verified pub. Hope you like it. --Willem H. 14:12, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks perfect to me this way.--Dirk P Broer 14:42, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Frank Sheridan and John De Morgan

Can you provide a source that Sheridan is a pseudonym of De Morgan? The only thing I could find online is a scan of Bleiler's reference which states that no proof of the attribution has ever been proven. Mhhutchins 20:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Most certainly: www.erbzine.com, The Dime Novel Companion: A Source Book By J RANDOLPH COX, www.authorandbookinfo.com.--Dirk P Broer 22:56, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

These probably use the same sources that Bleiler dismisses as not be authoritative. I'll approve the submission if you'll create a Bio page for Sheridan to link these sources. Mhhutchins 23:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Adding SFE3 links

There's a clean-up script which finds articles on SFE3 for authors which aren't linked from their summary page on the ISFDB. This is right up your alley, and you've been adding these links without the benefit of the script. But honestly, I'm not sure if it's available to non-moderators. If it is, please feel free to help out. Keep in mind, if there is no data on the SFE3 page, then there's no need to link it to the ISFDB author. Those cases occur for pseudonyms and authors which are only mentioned on other authors' bio pages but having no data on their own SFE3 page. Those can be "resolved" (removed from the list) by clicking the button on the right. Let me know if you're able to get to the script. If it's restricted to moderators, and you want to help, I'll ask Ahasuerus if he can do some tweaking that allows you to participate. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Alas: "Sysop permissions are required to moderate changes"--Dirk P Broer 21:24, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Let me take a look... Ahasuerus 21:42, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, I think I got it. Could you please give it a try again? Ahasuerus 22:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I see 4419 lines to try out. Thanks!--Dirk P Broer 22:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

That's down from 5000+ when it was first loaded, so some progress has been made. If you can help, it's much appreciated. Mhhutchins 22:51, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

(unindent) Everything is looking good so far, but please don't forget to change the author's working language when updating French, German, etc authors :) Ahasuerus 23:11, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The Purple Pterodactyls

Hello Dirk,

it may be possible that your verified 2nd printing is the same as this other 2nd printing. Perhaps were you misled by the subtitle (not of my doing). If it's the case, you can use your own scan (mine is quite bad) for the most detailed entry and delete the superfluous one. Hauck 08:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I deleted my verified 2nd printing and transferred the scan to this other 2nd printing (yours), the most detailed entry.--Dirk P Broer 13:20, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Al Bernstein

Since there are no records in the database for "Al Bernstein", why not just give the author's full name? In any case, you're creating a new author, so you may as well give the complete one, regardless of how he's given in SFE3. Even their listing gives the full name in the bio section. Mhhutchins 22:43, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

It was my meaning to create a new entry 'Al Bernstein' to match with SFE3, and to give his full detail with that entry. I find plenty of partial mismatches in the work as described above as it is.--Dirk P Broer 22:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I understand. My question was "Why not make Albert Bernstein the canonical name?" Mhhutchins 22:53, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

A pure matter of trying to match the data on isfdb and SFE3 as close as possible.--Dirk P Broer 22:55, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of how SFE3 handles it, there is no logical reason to create a canonical author without credits on the ISFDB and make that into an informal version of his name. I'll change it to "Albert Bernstein". Mhhutchins 22:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

David Klass

Where are you getting the birth date for this update? SFE3 lists 1960. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Searching Google, LibraryThing. But it does indeed not match this Puffin books 'about the author'. --Dirk P Broer 06:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I, Robot

Hi. Added note about cover artist (Dennis Rolfe) to your verified, as it is given by the 1968 pub. Thanks. Linguist 20:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC).

François Pagery

Hello, I've modified your pseudonymous link for this author which was to Gérard Klein alone. In fact it's a commun pseudonym shared by three authors (PAGERY = PAtrice rondard + GErard klein + RIchard chomet). I don't know where your data comes from (SFE3 visibly) but it's false. Don't hesitate to ask when you've got questions pertaining to the french domain. I've left the pseudonym unlinked deliberately as I'm not completely sure of who wrtite what for this author. Hauck 16:46, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Shall I contact SFE3 with this information, or do you want to do it yourself?--Dirk P Broer 19:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

You probably have a better link with them than me. Hauck 20:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

They'll know by now.--Dirk P Broer 20:46, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

"Greg Reeves" stories

I'm not certain that these five stories were written by Garfield Reeves-Stevens. Why would someone of his stature be publishing in magazines that pay with contributor copies? I've varianted the novel Dark Matter, but need further proof for these stories. I'll see if they are referenced on the author's website. Mhhutchins 00:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I could find nothing online. Unless you're able to find something more reliable, I would suggest that we disambiguate the author of these short stories. Mhhutchins 00:32, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Just my 2c: Could you find another author online that was a different Greg Reeves?--Dirk P Broer 00:35, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

The name "Greg Reeves" is too common, and would have too many hits. Almost 30,000 hits when combined with "author". So I combined the name with a story title, and the only hits were those on the ISFDB and Locus1, for example. Mhhutchins 00:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll take it that you will -rightly- not approve of a 1997 story by a Martin Smith to attribute it to Martin Cruz Smith either.--Dirk P Broer 00:56, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Without corroborating evidence from a reliable source, no. It's better that it remains as is, than to guess what it might be. Mhhutchins 01:37, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

The evidence as it stands now points against attributing it to Martin Cruz Smith. As I wrote it's about a 1997 story and Martin Cruz Smith added the 'Cruz' far earlier in his career to distinguish himself from other Martin Smith's.--Dirk P Broer 06:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Farmer novel

I'm holding the submission to update this record. According to the OCLC record, there is a second comma in the title. Please inform the party who sent you the note which you reproduced in the Note to Moderator field that we use the title page and not the cover. Also, we don't have permission to link to files on the SFE server. At least they're not on the list of permitting websites. Have you asked them? Mhhutchins 16:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I have changed the title to match the OCLC record, unmerged the pub record and varianted its title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I have downloaded the cover image from the SFE3 website, cleaned it up a little, resized it, uploaded it to the ISFDB server, and linked it to the record. So I've rejected the submission. Thanks for bringing the data to my attention. Mhhutchins 16:58, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

As a matter of fact I looked up the title page on Amazon and noticed that the second comma is non-existant on the title page (at least on the edition I checked). The second comma is in fact given on only one of the various covers, but that has no weight in this. We should check all title pages I'm afraid.--Dirk P Broer 18:17, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Please provide a link to the Amazon listing showing the title page for the edition to which I was referring. (I was only referring to the title of the one edition. If other editions are different, then they should be varianted.) Mhhutchins 02:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Linking at unpermitted websites

I removed the link you gave for a photograph of this author because the website is not on the list of permitting sites. Mhhutchins 02:41, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The Bug Wars

Hello. I've replaced the Amazon image by a new cover scan, and added some notes to your verified. Thanks. Linguist 09:55, 27 May 2014 (UTC).

The Terminal Beach

Replaced scan of your verified (correct dimension, better definition). Thanks. Linguist 10:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC).

The Light Fantastic

Added some notes to your verified, and replaced the scan by a better one. Thanks. Linguist 09:39, 28 May 2014 (UTC).

Star Light, Star Bright

Same thing for this one. Thanks. Linguist 09:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC).

Darwin's Radio

Added the 3 essay contents and cover art credit to your verified pub. PeteYoung 14:08, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

The Golden Apples of the Sun

Added some notes to your verified, and replaced the scan by a better one. Thanks. Linguist 09:40, 31 May 2014 (UTC).

Keep up the good work!--Dirk P Broer 20:46, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

James Reynolds work

Hi. A question about what you're doing with the two James Reynoldses: I found at least one WorldCat reference that gives the birth date of Ghosts in American Houses as 1891. Are you thinking of re-crediting some/all of that bibliography to James Reynolds (19th Century)? Which works should not be attributed to the one who was born in 1891? I'm thinking the prolific one should perhaps not have the disambiguated name. --MartyD 10:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Don't you think it strange what is grouped now under James Reynolds? Work from 1919 together with totally different work from decades later.--Dirk P Broer 10:41, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I do think it is strange. But I do not find it strange that something published in the 1950s or 1960s was written by someone born in 1891, so I am not inclined to doubt the OCLC information without evidence that it is incorrect. What is your overall plan for the bibliography? --MartyD 10:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I would like to bring the cover art under James Reynolds (19th Century). I wonder what the presents links for this entry are.--Dirk P Broer 11:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

You can use Show All Titles from his page. The only entry is Equality, which is unfortunately varianted TO "uncredited", rendering the display mildly useless. The entry doesn't provide the original date for that piece; from the info in the title, it sounds like this might be a one-work author for our purposes. It might be best to make a James Reynolds (artist), with unknown birth date, and move the artwork to that, leaving the undisambiguated James Reynolds as the author born in 1891 (w/OCLC as at least one source of the birth date for someone with that name credited to the Ghosts in ... books). --MartyD 11:21, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Who ?

Added some notes to your verified, and uploaded a new cover scan (larger, better definition). Thanks. Linguist 12:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC).

Another thing : I would enter page count as 189, not 192, as the last three pages are just adverts. What do you think ? Linguist 12:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC).

I agree, I'll change it.--Dirk P Broer 14:41, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Patternmaster

Hello Dirk, the cover art of this also appears here where it is attributed to Nick Fox. As far as I know, Matthew Fox does not exist, although there was a Matt Fox who illustrated some Weird Tales covers. Horzel 21:53, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I wonder where we have the signature telling it would be Matthew...Your example seems pretty convincing.--Dirk P Broer 22:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

And also see noosfere.com which also credits the cover art of "Le Rêve du Vorkul" to Nick Fox. Horzel 21:26, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

You don't need to convince me anymore, I just wonder who the source is/was for the signature..---Dirk P Broer 21:28, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

The Wizard of Venus

Added some notes to your verified, and uploaded a new cover scan (larger, better definition). Thanks. Linguist 12:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC).

Star Rebel

Added Australian & NZ cover prices to your verified pub PeteYoung 09:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Jean / Jules Richepin

Hello Dirk. I fell upon a pub record of News from the Moon, which you verified in Locus1. In this collection, “The Metaphysical Machine” is credited to “Jules Richepin”, but there is no doubt that it is in fact Jean Richepin, who did write La machine à métaphysique. Can you confirm that it is indeed credited to “Jules” and not Jean ? If it is, I'll make a pseudonym of it, but if not, it will have to be corrected, and the Jules record deleted. Thanks in advance. Linguist 13:39, 11 June 2014 (UTC).

Do not delete the Jules! As per Locus:

News from the Moon ed. Brian M. Stableford (Black Coat Press 978-1-932983-89-0, Mar 2007, $22.95, 319pp, tp, cover by Gil Formosa)

Anthology of nine French proto-SF stories from 1768 to 1902, translated from the French by Brian Stableford. Three previously appeared in English. Authors include Albert Robida and Guy de Maupassant. This is a print-on-demand edition, available online at [www.blackcoatpress.com], or from Hollywood Comics.com, PO Box 17270, Encino CA 91416.

• News from the Moon (1768) · Louis-Sébastien Mercier; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · ss
• The Embalmed Hand (1867) · Adrien Robert; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · ss
• The Future Phenomenon (1866) · Stéphane Mallarmé; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · vi
• The Metaphysical Machine (1877) · Jules Richepin; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · ss
• The Monkey King (1879) · Albert Robida; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · ss
• The Historioscope (1883) · Eugène Mouton; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · ss
• Tony Wandel’s Heart (1884) · Georges Eekhoud; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · ss
• Martian Mankind (1887) · Guy de Maupassant; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · ss
• The Red Triangle (1902) · Fernand Noat; trans. by Brian M. Stableford · ss

• Also per publisher webpage

OK, thanks a lot for checking. I suppose some clever guy expanded J. Richepin to Jules Richepin without checking. It'll have to be a “pseudonym”, then ! Linguist 20:14, 11 June 2014 (UTC).

Lynette Hemmant

Hi, Dirk. I can find no source for the artist's birthplace at all. But the available data at least seems to point into the direction of Australia. Stonecreek 10:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

My source is the new link I provided. All sources say she spend her childhood in New South Wales, Australia. This does not mean she was born there.--Dirk P Broer 10:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Dark Universe

Expanded the notes for your verified. Thanks. Linguist 09:16, 24 June 2014 (UTC).

Split Second

Added some notes for your verified, and uploaded a new cover scan (whole wraparound). Thanks. Linguist 08:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC).

Beautiful scan!--Dirk P Broer 10:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Gemini God

Same thing for this one. Thanks. Linguist 09:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

You may make more of those wrap-arounds for Penguin-SF publications! Fantastic scan, bright and sharp.--Dirk P Broer 10:29, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I had to do three scans for each book, though (front, spine and back), and reassemble the picture (didn't want to break the back !) Linguist 10:51, 1 July 2014 (UTC).

Guessed as much and have thought of that approach myself. Didn't do it because I thought it wasn't worth the effort. Glad to have been proved wrong though!...--Dirk P Broer 23:17, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Twists in Time

Uploaded a new cover scan of your verified (correct dimension, better definition). Thanks. Linguist 16:22, 4 July 2014 (UTC).

Vektis Brack

The reason that Odyssey in Space doesn't appear on "Vektis Brack"'s Summary page is that its title record is currently set up as a variant of Bruno G. Condray's Odyssey in Space. According to SFE3, the authorship is "insecurely identified", so I am not sure whether we want to keep the VT link or break it. Ahasuerus 11:07, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

The other two titles for 'Vektis Brack' are not written by 'Vektis Brack' either, it is just not known at the moment who the actual authors were.--Dirk P Broer 11:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Right, and that's why we don't have VTs set up for them. With Odyssey in Space, we kind of/sort of think that we know who wrote it, which is why a VT is in place, but it's tentative at best, so perhaps we would be better off removing the VT and relying on Notes to explain the situation. Ahasuerus 11:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Rather shady outfit, Gannett Press...--Dirk P Broer 11:24, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

UK authors used an awful lot of pseudonyms in the early 1950s and they have been a pain in the neck for bibliographers ever since :) For now, I have set up a pseudonym relationship and added a Biblio note to make our data internally consistent. Ahasuerus 11:33, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

When the Moon Died

Uploaded a new cover scan (better definition, fewer creases and scuffs) of your verified. Thanks. Linguist 08:43, 13 July 2014 (UTC).

Cosmic Kaleidoscope

Added some notes to your verified. Thanks. Linguist 09:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC).

Note this remark for the title "The US editions drops the short story "The Brink" and add "Element of Chance" and "Deflation 2001""--Dirk P Broer 09:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Capricorn Games

Added some notes to your verified, and uploaded a new cover scan (correct dimension, better definiton). Thanks. Linguist 08:39, 15 July 2014 (UTC).

Pluto in the Morning Light

Added some notes to this one, and replaced the Amazon image with a new scan (whole wraparound). Thanks. Linguist 10:17, 16 July 2014 (UTC).

The Secret Sharer

Same process for this one. Linguist 10:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC).

Looks perfect, thanks!--Dirk P Broer 20:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

The World Inside

Added some notes and uploaded a new cover scan of your verified. Thanks. Linguist 08:12, 17 July 2014 (UTC).

The Time Hoppers

Same thing with this one. Thanks. Linguist 08:26, 17 July 2014 (UTC).

The Men in the Jungle cover art

Hello. This site credits Victor Prezio for the cover art of The Men in the Jungle. What do you think of it ? Linguist 08:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC).

Looks convincing to me: "Horzel (also isfdb member): This cover art (minus aircraft) was first used, uncredited, for comic Space Man, Mar-May 1964. Pulpcovers.com has tagged it with "Victor Prezio", don't know why... Found it: According to savedfromthepaperdrive.blogspot.com/2012/02/space-man-3.html all covers of this series were by Victor Prezio."--Dirk P Broer 08:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll add the credit and the link. Linguist 09:29, 21 July 2014 (UTC).

Bug Jack Baron

Added some notes and replaced the cover scan of your verified. Thanks. Linguist 08:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC).

Of All Possible Worlds

Added some notes for your verified, and replaced the Bookscans image with a new cover scan. Thanks. Linguist 09:32, 23 July 2014 (UTC).

I had just my copy replaced with this edition.--Dirk P Broer 12:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Tales From Nights Black Agents

User DavidCRead found credit for the coverart of Tales From Nights Black Agents in Jane Frank's 'The Art of Richard Powers'. The initials on the cover don't match Power's signature however, so no cover credit was given, only a note added. --Willem H. 19:58, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Looking at all 1961 Ballantine covers it does indeed stick out like a sore thumb. And there's also the 'G.A.' as already mentioned in the notes.--Dirk P Broer 07:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

The Languages of Pao

Added some notes to your verified. Thanks. Linguist 09:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC).

The Shores of Space

Added cover scan to replace the Bookscans one on The Shores of Space.SFJuggler 00:28, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks--Dirk P Broer 08:32, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

A. D. Divine and David Divine

Hi. I have your modifications to the above on hold, just as a reminder to myself. I notice that the legal name in the A. D. Divine record uses Arthur "Durham", while the legal name in the David Divine record (even with your proposed changes) has Arthur "David". It looks to me like "Durham" is correct. Does that sound right to you? If so, I will fix or delete that while accepting your changes. Thanks. --MartyD 16:21, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! But it is the other way around:

Author: A. D. Divine ISFDB Author Record # 171908

Legal Name: Divine, Arthur David (wrongly so)

Author: David Divine ISFDB Author Record # 146710

Legal Name: Divine, Arthur Durham (right)--Dirk P Broer 23:16, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, I misspoke. I accepted the submissions and changed David on A. D. to Durham. --MartyD 03:02, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

The Wizard of Linn

Added some notes to your verified. Thanks. Linguist 10:10, 1 August 2014 (UTC).

The Best of John Wyndham 1951-1960

Added some notes to your verified, and uploaded a new cover scan (better definition). Thanks. Linguist 10:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC).

Triple Detente

Hi, the cover art for your verified this is the same as for Les derniers des Zwors, so the cover artist must be Jim Burns. Could you perform the update? Thanks. Horzel 18:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

The Island of Doctor Death

Hello. I have replaced the cover scan of your verified by a new one (whole wraparound). Cheers ! Linguist 10:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC).

Thanks, as always!--Dirk P Broer 10:17, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

This Is The Way The World Begins

Hi, the cover art for this publication is by Vicente Segrelles, as can be seen on the artist's site (image CF_212). It's also the same cover art as on E.C. Tubb - The Space-Born (Avon Equinox 1976). Horzel 10:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Three Worlds to Conquer

Found artist for your verified here. Hauck 16:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Tales of Nevèrÿon

Could you please check whether in this pub that you verified the preface title actually contains any double quotes? This is the title record I am talking about. I think I also have the book, but in my copy there are no double quotes, i.e. the title is just

Return . . . A Preface

and not

"Return . . ." A Preface

If your book does not have the double quotes, I would like to suggest that we remove them from the title record as well. What do you think? If you agree, then what about the master title record which also includes double quotes? The only other PV'ed books that reference the master title record do so using a variant title, so they would not be affected by any modifications. Thanks for your help, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 18:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

No double quotes in my copy. Feel free to remove them.--Dirk P Broer 07:08, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

The Fall of the Towers

Another one by Delany that we have in common is this pub of "The Fall of the Towers" omnibus. Could you please double-check the following things in your copy?

• Do you really have the "Author's Note" title on page 2? Because I don't.
• Do you really have an "Afterword" title on page 415? I don't, I only have the epilogue title, which is a fictional essay.

Then I wonder whether prologue and epilogue should actually be separate title entries. Did Delany write these specifically for the omnibus? I doubt that specifically wrote the prologue, because this critical essay compares two versions of the prologue as they appear in the original 1963 and the revised 1967 versions of "Captives of the Flame". Both of these publications predate the first printing of the omnibus. So if we assume that a prologue exists in the first novel, then why shouldn't there be an epilogue in the third novel? What do you think? Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 19:23, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I noticed that there are PVs on the first and third novel that I could ask - unless you think it's all nonsense... Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 19:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Removed both the "Author's Note" title and the "Afterword" title. The Omnibus version has but one prologue and one epilogue -for the three titles- on the pages mentioned. If you can establish whether the content of prologue and epilogue is identical to that of those earlier published for the first novel you can make them variants of the earlier prologue and epilogue.--Dirk P Broer 07:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the titles. As for the prologue/epilogue: There are no earlier titles that could be varianted because we never create title records for such things in a novel (we also don't create title records for chapters in a novel). That's why I believe that the prologue/epilogue title records should be deleted from the database! Of course I will (try to) establish that prologue/epilogue already exist in the first publications of the 1st and 3rd novel before I submit changes that will upset everybody :-) Thanks for your input, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 11:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

For the record: I do not hold that believe (that the prologue/epilogue title records should be deleted from the database).--Dirk P Broer 22:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Could you please say why in this discussion on the community portal? Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 16:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

The Puppet Masters

I formatted and updated the notes of this pub that you verified. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 12:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Becoming Alien

See this notice about Rebecca Ore's novel. I think user Horzel is right. The credit for the cover image to Doug Beekman was probably cloned from the hardcover edition, there's no credit mentioned in my copy of the book. I'd like to change the artist to Maren with a note about the source. Any objections? Thanks, --Willem H. 13:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I am convinced.--Dirk P Broer 21:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Change made. Thanks, --Willem H. 06:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Prelude to Space

This pub that you verified did not contain any notes. I added some. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 11:43, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Century Rain

This pub that you verified: I took the liberty of changing the title of the essay from "Acknowledgements and Further Readings" (note the plural in "Readings") to "Acknowledgements and Further Reading", assuming that the previous title was a typo. Please let me know if my correction was hasty and this was not a typo. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 22:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

My edit has been rejected, I was told to check first with the primary verifiers. So could you please look up the exact spelling of the essay title in your copy of the book? Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 11:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Rightly spotted! Thanks.--Dirk P Broer 15:19, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Flandry of Terra

Changed the title of one story in [this] from 'A Plague of Masters' to 'The Plague of Masters', matching the title page. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I did the same for this edition. Cheers! --Willem H. 19:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Rightly spotted too! Thanks.--Dirk P Broer 20:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Wyndham's Outward Urge

You've got a primary verification on this copy of John Wyndham's The Outward Urge, which he wrote as a collaboration with his own pseudonym, Lucas Parks. We've correctly got the collection credited to Wyndham and Parkes. However, the individual stories are credited to Wyndham alone. Per our policies, I believe these stories should be credited to both Wyndham and Parkes and made variant to the titles by Wyndham alone. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 02:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I think we should (re)establish under what name the original stories were published/copyrighted. If that was solely under the name John Wyndham, I see no reason to change.--Dirk P Broer 09:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

The original stories all appeared in New Worlds as written by John Wyndham alone. Wikipedia: "The novel's stated authorship has a peculiar history. It was published as co-written by John Wyndham and Lucas Parkes, but they were different pen-names for the same writer. He had used the pen-name Lucas Parkes earlier in his career. Unlike most of his novels, The Outward Urge was conventional hard science fiction and his publishers decided that they wanted to use the Wyndham and Parkes byline because it was "not your usual Wyndham style".[1]" Lucas Parkes is just a quirk from the publisher used for publication of the collection, not a real author (even John Wyndham himself!).--Dirk P Broer 09:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't have a problem with making the original titles, crediting Wyndham only, as the canonical title. However, for your edition, Penguin is one of the publishers that presented the stories as by Wyndham collaborating with his own pseudonym. In discussing this with other editors, I also noticed that for other Penguin editions, the first story appears as "The Space-Station: A.D. 1994" (with a hyphen) and I would guess yours has it that way as well. Our policy is to reflect the title and authors as they appear in the publication. The actual author is reflected by variant relationship. Since there are several editors who have copies of these stories, you may want to start a new discussion about making the original magazine titles canonical. However, I did just find this help page (see the Asimov example under #5) which would suggest that perhaps the titles in the collection are more appropriate. Go ahead and start a discussion, though as folks may disagree with that assessment. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 02:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

The present record ought to make you happy...--Dirk P Broer 16:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Endangered Species

Altered the note about the artist slightly as Elson's initials are on the spine portion of the artwork [bottom] for [this]. The copy I picked up is a little sun-tanned but the initials are still quite clear. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

On the spine....argh! --Dirk P Broer 16:10, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

The Best of Harry Harrison

I removed my primary verification from this pub. You are currently PV2, so you may wish to take over the PV1 slot now that it is free.

The reason why I removed my PV1 is that I have a first printing, but at some time since my verification in 2007 the pub record has been changed so that it is now a second printing. I am telling you this because I don't know whether you actually have a second printing - if not and you have a first you will want to shift your verification as well, to this pub record. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 14:02, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

I do indeed hold a copy of the 2nd (1980) printing (cover art by Chris Achilleos). --Dirk P Broer 21:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

The Syndic

Replaced the Amazon image for this pub that you verified with an ISFDB cover scan. I also added some pub notes. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 21:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Emphyrio

Replaced the Amazon image for this pub that you verified with an ISFDB cover scan. I also added some pub notes. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 22:58, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Jack L. Chalker's Vengeance of the Dancing Gods

Replaced the Amazon image of Jack L. Chalker's Vengeance of the Dancing Gods with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary4 reference. Doug 00:26, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

The Pirates of Zan

Replaced the Amazon image for this pub that you verified with an ISFDB cover scan. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 19:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Lawrence Watt-Evans's The Chromosomal Code

Replaced the Amazon image of Lawrence Watt-Evans' The Chromosomal Code with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary2 reference. Doug 15:09, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Author update for Lech Borski

I accepted your author update for Borski, but because you were editing someone with no default language, the system tried to set that to English. I changed it to Polish. Chavey 20:57, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

An all to common mistake, only editing the missing information and overlooking the defaultly popping up 'English'...--Dirk P Broer 21:03, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Yup. Done it several times myself. Chavey 21:24, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Roger Zelazny's Frost & Fire

Replaced the Amazon image of Roger Zelazny's Frost & Fire with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary2 reference. Doug 03:39, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Secret Harmonies

Found Peter Elson's initials , visible through the barcode block on the back cover [bottom center] and amended the record for [this]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:49, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Also mentioned here.--Dirk P Broer 11:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Other Worlds

Hello, Dirk! You are the second verifier of this. Since the fiction features are considered as NOVELs at wikipedia as well as in various editions, it seemed logical to transform the COLLECTION into an OMNIBUS and variant this to the original. Christian Stonecreek 12:18, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

You are quite right.--Dirk P Broer 15:26, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Arthur Bennett's place of birth

And hello again! What is the source for changing the place of birth for this author? SFE3 has the old one and the new web page seems to not state anything on this topic. Christian Stonecreek 12:24, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

I've notified SFE3 too about Padgate. http://www.allthingswarrington.net/Poetry/Poetry/heaveninwarrington.html#.VGcfAfmG98E states "Hailing from Padgate (where a field with his name still exists in the shape of 'Bennetts Rec')". I furthermore found another source which I mentioned to SFE3 too and there is this source which can be found whilst searching for 'Arthur Bennett Padgate'.--Dirk P Broer 15:25, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

David Langford thanked me for my mail, you may soon see the content of SFE3 changed.

-------- Original Message --------

• From:* dirk_p_broer@hotmail.com
• To:* drl@ansible.co.uk, jclute@gmail.com, grahamsleight@gmail.com,

petenich@bigpond.net.au, sfe@beccon.org

• Date:* Sat, 15 Nov 2014 10:46:09 +0100

Hi,

According to http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ENG-LAN-WARRINGTON/2008-02/1 204125089

Arthur Bennett was born in Padgate, Warrington, Cheshire, England

kind regards, Dirk Broer

Thanks!

best: David

David Langford

SFE site http://sf-encyclopedia.com/

--Dirk P Broer 15:36, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

SFE3 has been edited: see here.--Dirk P Broer 00:01, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Great work! Thanks for the effort! Christian Stonecreek 18:42, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Charlotte Winheller

Thanks Dirk for updating this author. However, I reversed the surname from Franke-Winheller back to just Winheller. The author was some years married to Herbert W. Franke but the two were eventually divorced. My information (and the one you supplied in the link to Münchener Stadtbibliothek) states that she dropped the Franke part with that. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 18:27, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

I had taken the last published works as reference as to what the last legal name of the active author was.--Dirk P Broer 21:16, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Miske

It appears that you made Jack C. Miske into a pseudonym of J. Chapman Miske when the latter name is already a pseudonym of Jack Chapman Miske. Please reset the relationship of the first name to the last name, and move all author data to the canonical author's summary page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:25, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I, Vampire

I updated I, Vampire to correct the page count from 216 to 206 plus added notes (there were none before). --Marc Kupper|talk 06:40, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

You mean I, Vampire, I guess?--Dirk P Broer 17:37, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I added other prices to your verified

I added other prices to your verified Son of the Tree.Don Erikson 20:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

I added other prices to your verified

I added other prices to your verified [2].Don Erikson 06:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Added an OCLC link to The Jupiter Theft

Hey there, I added an OCLC link to The Jupiter Theft - --Thync 18:50, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Did you already know that that is actually a bit redundant when the book is entered and under 'Other sites' in the menu a link to WorldCat appears? That link will bring you -most of the times, but not always- to the same publication. So there is only a need for a manual edit in the notes field of a OCLC number when that link goes to the wrong publication, IMHO.--Dirk P Broer 22:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Names that include "de"

When you get a chance, can you take a look and add your perspective to this discussion? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Tik-Tok

Replaced the Amazon image for this pub that you verified with an ISFDB cover scan. Also added the New Zealand and Australian price from the back cover. Cheers, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 14:08, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Changing the canonical names of three Hungarian authors

I'm holding the submissions to change the canonical author credit for three authors, two of which have primary verified records in that name. If you believe the editor made an error, please present evidence for the case to change the names. (It's been almost a year since the editor last contributed so he probably won't respond to a talk page post.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

The problem lies in the lack of publications outside Hungary for the three authors. In all three cases the [now standing] canonical name is build up as Intial-Surname-Given name, a habit unknown in the rest of Europe.--Dirk P Broer 09:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

This isn't concerning the form of the name. It's a matter of changing a primary verified record which gives the credit differently. If you want to create a new canonical name, that's fine. But my accepting the submissions will change the verified publications. That is, unless you can show that the editor who verified the record was in error, and the credits in the publications should be changed. Mhhutchins 18:13, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

I can't say the editor in question was wrong, as the names he submitted are on -and in- the books he entered. It is just my opinion that that name should not be used as a canonical name, because an eventual translation for the foreign market will show another -and the family/sorting name as entered is totally wrong too. Let me present the problem for you this way: Say your first book will be published in Hungary as by H. Hutchins Michael, would you like that to be your canonical name in our database?--Dirk P Broer 22:28, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm just not making my point clear. If you change an author's canonical name it changes every title record in the database credited to that name. (I assumed at this point you knew how the database works.) I'm going to reject the submissions so that you can make these authors into pseudonyms of whatever you perceive to be the correct name, whatever that may be in your estimation. That way the primary verified records are not changed. Mhhutchins 03:01, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Okay, then I will correct the 'Family name' field for those three records, as it is now occupied by Zsofia, Zsuzsa and Zsuzsanna -which are obviously not family names.--Dirk P Broer 12:43, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Dirk, I accepted these, but I think Michael is suggesting something else. If he authored a book that said "by H. Hutchins Michael", we would record "H. Hutchins Michael" as the author credit in that primary record. But rather than fixing up that author entry to have "Hutchins" as the family name, we would simply make that entry a pseudonym for a "Michael H. Hutchins", having that be the canonical name. You could do that with these. Having a canonical record that presents the name in its native fashion/order seems quite appropriate. --MartyD 13:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I do see his point, but I hope he -and other editors who enter such names- see mine too. Or perhaps we should do something about the algorithm that provides the so-called 'Family name' field.--Dirk P Broer 17:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)