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Weapons of Choice

Added an image to [this]. The link to the publisher's website was no longer functional so deleted it from the notes. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you ...--clarkmci / j_clark 06:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Sean McMullen's Voices in the Light

I added the publication month from Locus and the copy count from Chalker & Owings to your verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:46, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. (Note to self: Dig out copy & see if it's numbered.) --clarkmci / j_clark 12:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Gary Crew's chapter books

I thought I would let your know I am working on cleaning up some of you verified chapter books under Gary Crew. Perhaps you can look them over later when I have reorganized them (I shall post here again) and make sure they still match reality. Thanks. Uzume 13:17, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, after starting with Gary Crew, I think I am going to try and take on After Dark. There are many chapter books in that that are just wrong. In the series comment you say this is a publisher series. If that is true should this not be an actual publisher series and not a title series then? Was this entire series put together by Gary Crew (and later Franklin Watts)? If so then I could have methinks he should be credited with the chapter book titles in each case and let the contained short fiction title be credited to the authors (as a sort of broken up anthology). Uzume 14:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

It definitely needs some more work - a publication series of chapbooks might look OK, but the current Title Series mixing Shortfiction and Chapterbooks is wrong - it should be one or the other, and using Canonical titles only. E.g. "Cory Daniells" entries rather than "R. C. Lindquist". BLongley 17:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I am leaning towards a title series of chapter books which is basically an editorial-based series but conversion to an actual pub series is possible too. The one problem with making it truly a pub series is the fact that it seems like it is a few related series. One from Crew and Lothian, one from Franklin Watts, and perhaps one or two from Stone Arch and Turtleback (currently I didn't see any Turtleback pubs in ISFDB but doing research, I noticed them). I also noticed there are a number of related pubs missing though User:Clarkmci seems to have all the Crew/Lothian ones entered. I noticed I messed some stuff up to in fixing the chapter book mess as I converted the wrong way and awards are sometimes on the chapter book instead of the short fiction. I am mending that too (by swapping the title data since I cannot move the award).
As an editorial series I am wondering if it makes sense to have the chapter book titles all be credited to Crew (and of course leave the contained short fiction titles credited to the individual authors). This sort of makes things look funny though and chapter book titles are displayed as "Author" not "Editor" as they probably should be. Further chapter books are confusing as the actual book itself probably does not mention Crew as the editor much since it mostly just contains the single work of short fiction (unlike an anthology; in a collection it is usually unambiguous as the editor is also the author of all the included works and we seem to do magazine editorial series completely differently). Uzume 18:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi Uzume, Thanks for reminding me about these. The After Dark "series" is the way it is :-( because it was entered before chapterbook handling was fixed (used to only just sorta work, sometimes), and before we could enter publisher's series. I just haven't got back to them since then - I've not been very active lately.
A factor to consider ... The numbering by the original Australian publisher (Lothian) "After Dark" isn't the same as the numbering for the UK Franklin Watts "After Dark" editions, as far as I can infer from Amazon UK. It is the Aust'n numbering that is currently in ISFDB as a title series. (I have only Aust'n editions.) I infer from Amazon US that there are a couple that were also published by a US publisher - the Stone Arch ones - but with no series (from memory). I don't know how the publisher series displays on the pages when done, so I don't know how this would turn out.
Not sure about using editor. Personally, I view them as books rather than as short fiction, so would personally prefer to see them under each author's "Chapterbook" or "Book / Chapterbook series" section. However, it's probably best to wait for opinions re editor series vs publisher's series vs author title series from the regular moderators / ISFDB gurus. --clarkmci / j_clark 12:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Pamela Freeman's Victor stories

I have made both books in this series into CHAPTERBOOK type and added a shortfiction record to both. One of them was a chapterbook and the other was novel. The chapterbook was missing a shortfiction content record. Your verified records here and here were updated. Mhhutchins 19:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)


I added the missing content record for this chapterbook. Mhhutchins 19:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Firebirds Soaring, ed. by Sharyn November

I'm updating the existing "Firebird" published books to "Firebird / Penguin" to follow the ISFDB standard of "imprint / publisher". This changes the publisher of your verified publication of this book. According to my copy of this book, this agrees with the imprint statement in this book, but please let me know if this doesn't match your copy of the book. Chavey 02:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you --clarkmci / j_clark 23:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

The Children Star

Scanned n an image and added notes to [this]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:52, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you --clarkmci / j_clark 05:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Mainly in Moonlight by Nicholas Stuart Gray

Can you check your copy of this publication to see whether "Faber Fanfares" is a publication series and not the publisher's name. The OCLC record gives the publisher as Faber and Faber, and "Faber Fanfares" as a series. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 17:05, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I will look for my copy. --clarkmci / j_clark 06:29, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Finally found my copy & it looks more like an imprint to me - it's on the bottom of the title page. --clarkmci / j_clark 09:32, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Later: Also, copyright page states "First published in 1965 by Faber and Faber Limited ..." then "First published in Fanfares edition 1979" --clarkmci / j_clark 09:45, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

"Angus & Robertson" publishers

We have two different listings for "Angus & Robertson" publishers, one under that name, and one as "Angus & Robertson (Australia)". They are primarily an Australian publishing house, and are listed as such on their publisher profile. In addition, most of the books we list by them are listed just as "Angus & Robertson". Consequently, I am merging these two publishers together under the shorter name. (Our policies recommends this approach, using only the publisher name, and posting the location on the publisher page.) This affects 5 books verified by you: The first 3 verified editions of Pigs Might Fly, The Best-Kept Secret, and Fire in the Sky. I hope this is acceptable to you. Chavey 03:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

This is fine. Thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 23:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Aurealis / Chimaera Publications

You have verified two books from this imprint, The Black Crusade and Out of the Silence. Unfortunately, the former is listed as by "Aurealis / Chimaera Publications", and the later as by "Aurealis Books / Chimaera Publications", so they don't sort together by publisher. I was hoping you'd be willing to change one of them so they agreed on the imprint name. (I would suggest "Aurealis", but either is acceptable.) Chavey 15:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll think about this one. Black Crusade was Aurealis magazine, IIRC. --clarkmci / j_clark 23:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

The Risen Empire by Scott Westerfield

I am changing the page count from 352 to 341.--Teddybear 17:52, 1 June 2012 (UTC) Also changing from tp to pb.--Teddybear 17:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Good spotting! I must have been asleep that day. Thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 06:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Uncredited cover art

Just a reminder: when a publication's cover art is not credited, the Artist1 (cover artist) field should remain blank. You have the option of recording this fact in the record's note field. I've removed "uncredited" from the cover artist field, and added a note to these verified records: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], and [8]. Mhhutchins 20:54, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Noted - thanks for alerting me to this convention. --clarkmci / j_clark 11:46, 4 July 2012 (UTC)


Having run into a bunch of Tashi submissions from Fixer, I'm going through them. One thing I've discovered from the Tashi Books site is that each book contains two stories. They seem to be considered separate, and in some of the later Big Big books, the write-up clearly counts each (i.e., 10 stories from 5 books). I'd like to change your verified Tashi from a Chapterbook to Collection and add "Dragon Breath" as a second shortfiction entry. Is that ok with you, and, if so, what page does it start on? Thanks. --MartyD 01:28, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Re change to Collection - OK. Re start page of 2nd story - I'll have to dig out my copy (It's "somewhere"). (and the copies I have of some of the others) ... --clarkmci / j_clark 11:44, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Welcome template

I noticed you're using the older template to welcome new users (compare this one with this one.) The most recent template gives more information. Just enter {{welcome}} ~~~~ into the new editor's talk page, and the most recent version of the welcome statement and your signature is automatically entered. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:07, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Tip much appreciated. --clarkmci / j_clark 00:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate series name

As far as I can tell from the Recent Integrations list, you may have recently added two titles by Andrew Peters to a series which was already in the database: Ravenwood. I believe they should have been given a different name, as it appears there is no connection between the books. It looks like the Mia James titles can be changed to a new series "Ravenwood Mystery" without much trouble. Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 03:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for spotting this - definitely not the same series. Fixed as you suggested. --clarkmci / j_clark 01:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

The Sending

Would you please check the ISBN on The Sending? It is listed as 978-670-85359-5 which is 12 characters. I believe it is missing a "0" after the 978 per the publisher's website. If you would either correct the ISBN or, if it is on the publication as shown, add a note that the error is in the publication and not the data entry, it would be appreciated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:08, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll dig out my copy. --clarkmci / j_clark 12:30, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
You are correct; now fixed. Thanks for spotting/alerting. --clarkmci / j_clark 03:34, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Steve(n) Proposch

Hello, can you confirm the surname of the author of this short story: Steve (as per Locus) or Steven (as per your PV) ? Thanks. Hervé Hauck 09:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I'll dig out my copy of _Intimate Armageddons_. --clarkmci / j_clark 12:29, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Finally came across it. His given name is stated as "Steven" in the TOC & above the story. --clarkmci / j_clark 11:37, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


I changed this record from NOVEL to CHAPTERBOOK, and added a SHORTFICTION content record, per ISFDB standards. Mhhutchins 19:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 08:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Kemlo and the Masters of Space

Can you confirm the name of the publisher as credited in this record? The ISFDB records of the earlier books in the series all credit "Thomas Nelson & Sons", which is the ISFDB designation for the UK publisher. Circa 1970, the first books from a US publisher by the name "Thomas Nelson" began. This is either a separate company or the US division of the UK publisher. I was wondering if it would be more convenient to have the publisher credited in your verified record conform with the other volumes in the series in order for them to appear together under the same publisher name. Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 21:32, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll dig it out & check. (Might take a while - my acquisitions have overflowed my system, yet again :-( :-) ) --clarkmci / j_clark 22:59, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing OCLC and other outside databases

When you get a chance, please read the message I posted on the Moderator's Noticeboard about the standard entry format for sourcing outside databases. I've noticed that you're using the incorrect format "OCLC Number: xxxxxxx". Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this. If I understand the examples in here correctly, I would meet the 2nd pattern of the four, if I just remove the string " Number" from my pattern. Yes? --clarkmci / j_clark 00:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, just remove the "Number" and close the space, having the colon directly after "OCLC". Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I presume it is OK to include target="_blank", so that a click opens the link on a new tab, like the "Other Sites" links on the left hand side do? (i.e.
OCLC: <a href="" target="_blank">12345678</a>)
I find it easier to check things when I'm working towards verification, if it gives a new tab. --clarkmci / j_clark 00:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Using the "target="_blank" means that the links entered by you do not act like the links entered by all other editors. The principle of "least surprise" includes the idea that the system should not act in some places in ways that surprise a user, e.g. because it acts differently every where else. Chavey 03:25, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Clicking on an author website or wikipedia page, a title's wikipedia page (& presumably web page), the "Other Sites" down the left-hand side when viewing a publication, and the Upload cover scan link, they all now end up in a new tab. So _I_ am now surprised when a Worldcat link within a publication's Notes doesn't. Perhaps opening-in-a-new-tab could be considered as the new convention for editor entered links? What do you think? --clarkmci / j_clark 03:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
If that standard had been established years ago, I would have gone for it wholeheartedly. But because 99% of the current links in Note fields don't open a new tab, it would be, in my opinion, somewhat surprising when a user stumbles across one that does. If there could be a universal change that would update all of the Note links in the database, I'd go for that as well. But I don't know if that's even possible. Perhaps it might be an interesting discussion to start on one of the community pages. Mhhutchins 19:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Entering CHAPTERBOOK records in series

I'm cleaning up this script which finds CHAPTERBOOKS which have been entered into series. It is ISFDB standard to enter only the SHORTFICTION record into a series. (See this latest clarification of the standards.)

I've discovered quite a number of the records on the list are Australian publications and many of those have been primary verified by you. When you have a chance, please look over the results of the script, and if they are your primary-verified publication records (or those you entered) please remove the series data from the CHAPTERBOOK title records and move it to the SHORTFICTION records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

I see that the After Dark series has been entered as both a title series and a publication series. It would seem to be more of a publication series, IMO, unless all of the books share a common setting or characters. If that is the case, the SHORTFICTION records can be entered into a title series, but not the CHAPERBOOK records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:23, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
In this list of the Bottlesnikes and Grumbles series, you can see that the titles appear twice. First as a CHAPTERBOOK and then as SHORTFICTION. Removing the series data from the CHAPTERBOOK records will solve the duplication problem. Mhhutchins 19:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
I have removed the series data from the After Dark and Bottlesnikes series. This did not affect your verified pub records. In a few days, I'll start removing series data from those CHAPTERBOOK records which still contain it. Again, this will not affect your verified publication records, only the title records. In these cases, the series data will be lost, because I will not be updating the SHORTFICTION records which are contained in your verified publication records. I'm hoping this will give you a chance to transfer the series data before I start the clean-up project. Here are the series which will be affected:
Australian Gnomes
Ben and Tim's Magical Misadventures
Creepers / TINOTS, The International Network Of The Supernatural
Emily Eyefinger
Gibblewort the Goblin
Jake and Pete
Miriam Aster
Shapeshifter (Fiona McIntosh)
Space Sports
Storytelling Charms / Fairy Realm
Tania and Troy
The Adventures of K9
The Sorcerer's Tower
The Sunken Kingdom
The Windmill Trilogy
Wicked Missions
Wolf Kingdom
Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Pity I missed the discussion on this issue, 'cos I would have argued that a lot of these are junior novels rather than chapbooks. Most readers of this type of book would consider the book as the unit of fiction, rather than the single shortfiction content. For most of them (junior novels/ chapter books), it is extremely rare that the shortfiction would appear in an anthology. Of the many junior chapter books I've entered, I can only think of one or 2 that appeared in a collection or anthology; none in junior chapter book series.
Further, for many junior chapter books, the accompanying illustrations are part of the reading experience, so the series is the text-plus-interior-art not just the text. Bottersnikes & Gumbles is particularly relevant example. Australian Gnomes is another example.
Also, I feel it looks odd to see a not-in-a-series list of CHAPTERBOOKS on an authors page, with the series information not visible until one scrolls down.
I've just had a look at the Debbie Dadey page to see how the 90-odd Bailey St Kids & spin-off chapter books looked displayed as a list of not-in-a-series CHAPTERBOOKS, followed, after several scroll-downs, then the several SHORTFICTION series & find that these junior chapter books have been entered as novels. Hey Ho, off to change all my junior-chapter-books-in-series to novels-in-series! --clarkmci / j_clark 04:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
re "After Dark". These were entered before we had a Publisher's Series field. Although, thinking about it, a lot of our anthologies-in-series are really publisher's series (eg Best of ...) - the stories in the series of "Best of" anthologies certainly don't have common characters. What do you think? --clarkmci / j_clark 04:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Later, Wicked Missions - I don't know this series, but own up to all the others. --clarkmci / j_clark 04:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
You've always had the option to make a "junior novel" into a NOVEL type. Nothing in the rules (that I'm aware of) actually requires you to make them CHAPTERBOOKS. (I see plenty of such records typed as NOVEL in the database.) But once they've been typed that way, they have to follow the standards for CHAPTERBOOKS. Feel free to change the types of these works. That would require deleting the SHORTFICTION content record.
About whether certain anthology title series should have been typed as publication series, I see your point. But for the most part, I believe those series of annual "Best of" anthologies and anthology series like Universe and New Dimensions should remain as title series, because otherwise they would only be displayed on the editor's summary page mixed in with all of his other anthologies. And as you have pointed out, the publication series function hasn't always been with us. So in cases where in the past a work had been entered into a title series, but is actually part of a true publication series, I've made the corrections. If you run across any of these cases, don't hesitate to change them. A question to ask yourself before doing so, if this work were (or will be) republished in later years would it remain in the same series? It's one I ask myself when making such a decision. If Dozois's annuals were reprinted in 2113 by another publisher would they still be part of the same title series? I believe they would. Also, nothing prevents a title from being in two different publication series. Look at this one. In Australia it was part of the "After Dark" series, but in the US it's part of the "Shade Books" series. It was wrong to have these CHAPTERBOOK titles in the "After Dark" series, so I had no problem in removing them.
As to whether your input at the time of the original discussion would have affected its outcome, perhaps it would have. I see you started here only a couple of months after I did, so you probably had the same opportunity to affect the standards as I did. Even so, I can assure you that I've been at the losing end of several discussions over standards, but once the majority have come to a decision, I "go with the flow". Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:14, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
re After Dark: I don't have too much problem with them being taken out of a series if CHAPTERBOOK series is now deprecated, although it's ironic that another user, some time back, suggested I change them to one story anthologies (see above "Gary Crew's chapterbooks").
re junior novels: I've been entering then as CHAPTERBOOKS, because I've had a (junior) NOVEL less than 100pp changed to a CHAPTERBOOK (see above also - though possibly the decision was more re consistency than length per se?) Anyway, for all but 2 of "my" chapter book series listed above, I have no problem with converting them to novels flagged as "jvn". The knotty ones are:
1. "Miriam Aster" series. These are actually adult novellas/chapbooks & published as such IIRC. The knot is that one of the books was short-listed twice for Novel awards! So is it a "NOVEL" series, a "CHAPTERBOOK" series or a "SHORTFICTION" series? (They are from a small press. I don't think they would be re-printed in an anthology, though might end up in an omnibus/collection.) What do you think? --clarkmci / j_clark 22:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Since there's no such thing as a CHAPTERBOOK series, that leaves NOVEL and SHORTFICTION. Nothing in the standards establishes that a determining factor in typing a publication as a CHAPTERBOOK is its qualifying for reprint in a larger work. Also, the ISFDB doesn't use the category a work was placed in for an award consideration to determine its designated length. This is based solely on word count, although it's certain that exceptions have been made, and you have that option here. There are two choices: 1) change the publication records to NOVEL, remove and delete the SHORTFICTION content record, and change the CHAPTERBOOK title record to NOVEL, retaining the series data, or 2) leave the publication records as CHAPTERBOOK, retain the SHORTFICTION content, and move the series data from the CHAPTERBOOK title record to the SHORTFICTION title record. Mhhutchins 05:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
2. "The Adventures of K9" books are even younger in approach than juvenile chapter books; they are Picture Books. The interior art as well as the text is part of the reading experience. It would be extremely unlikely that just the text would be published in an anthology. I think these should stay as a CHAPTERBOOK series, otherwise the art needs to be added to the series, giving a mixed series of shortfiction & interiorart with the same titles. (Haven't tried art in series so don't know how it would display.) May the topic of CHAPTERBOOK series be re-opened for further discussion? --clarkmci / j_clark 22:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
All topics are always open for discussion. The problem here is the work it would take to make changes to thousands of records, and requiring multi-step submissions for each one. Still, feel free to start a new discussion on the matter. As for picture books, I personally don't understand why they're even in the db, but again, that was something decided before either of us came here. It is perfectly OK to create separate content records in such publications: one for the text as a SHORTFICTION record, and one for the pictures as an INTERIORART record. That has been done for hundreds (maybe thousands) of records in the db. As for how to handle series, again, the current standard is to place only the SHORTFICTION record into a series, because CHAPTERBOOK records represent the publication and not the work (i.e. the title). The software currently can't handle INTERIORART or COVER series. (If you try it, you'll see they don't display correctly on an artist's summary page.) I believe someone in the past requested such a feature, but I'm not sure, and I don't think it's been discussed. Mhhutchins 05:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

[unindent] Still waiting for your decision to change these juvenile novels into NOVEL records and remove the SHORTFICTION content or to keep them as CHAPTERBOOK records and move the series data from the CHAPTERBOOK title record to the SHORTFICTION title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:16, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I plan to change most of them into novels. (Real Life has intruded.) --clarkmci / j_clark 06:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Across the Nightingale Floor

I added notes to Across the Nightingale Floor. Bob 20:46, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. --clarkmci / j_clark 00:00, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

CHAPTERBOOKS without a contained SHORTFICTION record

Working on this clean-up script, I left those primary verified records of yours which are missing a SHORTFICTON content record. Please add one when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:01, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Have done all that were on the list in mid November. --clarkmci / j_clark 06:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Yesterday's Men - Turner

Added panoramic scan to Yesterday's Men.SFJuggler 03:47, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

The Immorality Engine

Added cover artist credit (and associated note) to your verified The Immorality Engine based on the The Steampunk Bible (Abrams Image, 2011). -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. --clarkmci / j_clark 06:22, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Misaligned ISBN

Can you check to see if the ISBN-13 is given in this book? Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:51, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

My copy isn't where I thought it would be; will have to dig into the storage boxes. --clarkmci / j_clark 00:30, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
[note to self: Traci Harding Masters of Reality; not in 6, look in 4 --clarkmci / j_clark 06:33, 11 October 2015 (UTC) ]

Once Upon a Time in the North by Philip Pullman

Could you please add cover if possible to this publication as the Amazon link is dead verified publication. Thanks --Chris J 06:14, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Will add to the list of items to dig out of storage. --clarkmci / j_clark 05:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Wendy Harmer

Would you happen to be familiar with Wendy Harmer's work? Fishpond lists a number of chapterbooks that we don't have and I was wondering if this may be up your alley. Ahasuerus 23:40, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with her books; however, give me a heads up when Fixer enters more of them & I'll deal with them. I think she started out as / is also a stand-up comedian. Skimming the Fishpond page, looks like she also writes non-genre / non-fiction. The Ava Ann Appleton series looks non-genre?? What's already on her ISFDB page looks reasonable. --clarkmci / j_clark 00:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Well, that's how I first came across Wendy Harmer's books: Fixer submitted them as "new" publications, but when I looked them up on Fishpond, I discovered that they had been out since 2004-2006. Apparently Amazon is in the process of making all kinds of Australian books available in the US/UK, but, unfortunately, they list "date of US/UK availability" as the publication date.
There is still a bunch of Pearlie stuff that we are missing -- "Pearlie in Paris", "Pearlie and the Fairy Queen", "Pearlie and the Silver Fern Fairy", "Pearlie and the Flamenco Fairy", "Pearlie and the Cherry Blossom Fairy", "Pearlie and Great Aunt Garnet", "Really, Really Pearlie", "Pearlie in Central Park" (the original title of "Pearlie in the Park"?) -- and I am not sure when Amazon may get around to making them available in the US/UK. Ahasuerus 01:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
I have now acquired one of these - "Pearlie and Jasper" - and the data you compiled was accurate. Thanks. --clarkmci / j_clark 22:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

"The Dragon Paths", by Frena Bloomfield

I added the cover artist to your verified tp edition of this book, because the artist is credited on the hc edition, on the dj flap. I changed the note about the artist to reflect that. Chavey 20:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. --clarkmci / j_clark 23:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Submission in the queue

One of your submissions has been sitting in the queue for the past week or so. It appears to be related to a subject which I posted here concerning the creation of false records to credit the editor of another author's story collection in order to link award records. When you get a chance please respond to that posting. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:37, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

The Wordsmiths and the Warguild

Hi. I see you are the primary verifier for 50441, verified in 2012. There is also 145461 which was verified in 2007/2009 by editors whom are no longer active. I have a copy of the book and would like to add a verification, but I can't tell the two publication records apart. Could you please check your copy of the book and see if it might be appropriate to merge the two records? Many thanks. --AliHarlow 17:51, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Good spotting. I can't see a difference either, other than the month added for 50441, & the notes. Now, let me find my copy ... (might take a while). --clarkmci / j_clark 21:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Added family tree to Wild Invitation

Hi, I noticed when verifying the e-book version of "Texture of Intimacy" that there was an illustration, "Lauren Family Tree." I checked a copy of Wild Invitation (where the story was first published) and sure enough, it was there too. Added to contents of Wild Invitation which both you & I had verified. BungalowBarbara 17:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you --clarkmci / j_clark 22:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

M. R. Carey > Mike Carey

I removed the author data of "M. R. Carey" because it's a pseudonym. All of the author data should be entered in the canonical author's page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:45, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. (Sorry, got distracted.) --clarkmci / j_clark 03:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Andromeda #17

Can you confirm that the reviewer on page 126 of this publication is credited as "Lyn Triffit"? (With one final "t" instead of 2 as in Lyn Triffitt. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 06:13, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Yep. One 't' on the review (& 2 on the story) --clarkmci / j_clark 07:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
A pseudonym should be created. I'll do it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks - thought I'd done that, but must have got distracted. --clarkmci / j_clark 22:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

After the World: Killable Hours

Is there any mention the review that this is a graphic novel? If so, the REVIEW should be deleted and replaced by an ESSAY record. That way there won't be an unnecessary titleless author in the database. If it is not a graphic novel, please add a publication record based on the data given in the review. I've been able to find very little about the publication on the internet. (This was listed on the cleanup record which finds authors that are in the database solely because of a review.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:00, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Graphic Novel published in Australia AFAIK. Changed to essay as you suggested. --clarkmci / j_clark 02:04, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
But the review record remains in the database. I'll delete it. Mhhutchins 06:10, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 06:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Allen & Unwin Australia

Do you know if Allen & Unwin (Australia) is the same publisher as George Allen & Unwin Australia? Your verified record is the only one under the latter publisher name. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 00:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Not sure when the name changed - possibly through the management buy-out? In my understanding, was a subsidiary of the UK George Allen & Unwin, but now Australian owned (& now much more prolific in in-genre fiction). Thus, in my view, they are different. (In a slightly different comparison, I suspect the publications in ISFDB under just Allen & Unwin from the past 20-odd years with £ prices are really A&U Oz, but have £ prices 'cos taken from Amazon UK - I think A&U Oz has a UK office, but don't know if the UK office publishes [&/or if it clones & prints a £ price on].) --clarkmci / j_clark 05:30, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Based on the notes of the first publisher, it appears that any book published before 1990 should be credited to the second publisher. Thanks for the clarification. I look at the records for the UK publisher to see if their OCLC records indicate an Australian publication and move them over (if they're not primary verified.) Thanks again. Mhhutchins 16:09, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. --clarkmci / j_clark 20:57, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Cover artist for "The Deep", by Helen Dunmore

Your verified edition of this book lists the cover artist as "Corbis". Generally, when we know the names of the photographers involved, we give precedence to the people over the company. In this case, the other editions of the book are listed with the the three photographers, and I would encourage you to change the artist credit to agree with them, and merge your cover with those other three. Chavey 19:32, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Will dog out my copy ... Thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 21:12, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Reviews on clean-up report

The three reviews for series in this publication are showing up a cleanup report because they are linked to CHAPTERBOOK records and not the SHORTFICTION record. They can be cleaned from the list (using the "Ignore this title" link) if the review focuses on the publisher's work (the book itself) and not the author's work (the fiction portion of the book). But based on the titles, they appear to be reviews of series and not individual works. Reviews of series which focus on the entire series and not the individual works should be entered as ESSAYs. If the reviews comment on individual works, you'd create REVIEW records for each of the titles, and then link each review to the individual title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:06, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

I have moved the links from the CHAPTERBOOK title records to the SHORTFICTION title records. If you've determined that the reviews are for the series and not for the books to which you first linked the review, please replace the reviews with essays. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm pretty sure the reviews are about the publications (with the interiorart, not just the text). I'll check when I get home tonight. --clarkmci / j_clark 00:17, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

"Very Very Pearlie" by Wendy Hammer

Your verified publication is a collection of 3 smaller books by Wendy Hammer, but you entered those contents as chapterbooks instead of as the actual stories themselves, so I changed those contents to the short fiction titles. Also, you had this listed as an omnibus, but since it contained only short fiction, it is properly a collection instead, so I corrected that. I made the same changes in your inferred first printing of that title. Chavey 14:08, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

?? This is a bind-up of 3 publications - with the original page numbers and artwork, so to me it is an omnibus of the chapterbooks (which are juvenile novels). --clarkmci / j_clark 21:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
We have a precise definition of an omnibus: It must contain a novel.
OMNIBUS. A publication may be classified is an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, NONFICTION or NONGENRE. However, generally this category should not be used unless the other categories do not seem appropriate. For example, if a publication contains stories that have previously been published independently in pamphlet form, this should be classified as an anthology. A collection such as Robert Heinlein's "The Past Through Tomorrow" should be categorized as a collection, although one of the works is a novel. "Omnibus" is appropriate for such publications as the Science Fiction Book Club's collections of three independent novels by different authors under one set of covers; or for a single-volume edition of all the Amber novels by Roger Zelazny. If none of the contents have been published before, the inclination should be to classify the publication as an anthology, rather than an omnibus, but this does not have to be an absolute rule. The distinction between "Omnibus" and the other types is somewhat subjective and may require discussion and consensus on the publication biblio wiki page.
This does not meet the definition. If you believe an exception should be made for this book, you should bring it up in the "Rules and Standards" discussion page. Chavey 06:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


Knight's Curse

I added the contents to this publication record. (It came up on the cleanup report which finds OMNIBUS records without contents.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:21, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 22:25, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

"The Magicians of Caprona", by Diana Wynne Jones

I added a note to your verified publication that it was first edition. Both your edition and my US edition have no date other than "1980", so it's not immediately obvious. But my edition specifically says that it was first published by Macmillan UK, i.e. your edition. So I thought that was worth documenting on both publications. Chavey 18:07, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you --clarkmci / j_clark 05:53, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Rowling's Rowling's Fantastic Beasts and Quadditch Through the Ages

Please join this discussion about the best way to handle these titles. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

followed --clarkmci / j_clark 10:51, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

William I. Lengeman, II and William I. Lengeman, III

Could the author of the poem on page 69 of this publication be the same as William I. Lengeman, III? The works of both are contemporaneous, although that doesn't rule out the possibility of father and son, and there's no record of a poem for the "III". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 18:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll check in a day or 2 when I'm again co-located with the magazine. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Have just checked ... All 3 occurrences of the name (cover, TOC & title block above the poem) are II. --clarkmci / j_clark 09:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Very likely a typo. Here is the same poem credited to "III". I'll create a pseudonym and variant. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 02:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for following this up. --clarkmci / j_clark 03:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

"Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them", by J.K. Rowling

Since you verified two editions of this book, you might wish to join this conversation. Chavey 07:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

followed --clarkmci / j_clark 03:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

"Strange Universe", by Amabel Williams-Ellis & Michael Pearson

I added a price to your verified publication, from the price on the dust jacket of my copy. Chavey 13:11, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you --clarkmci / j_clark 21:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Queued submission

You've had a submission in the moderator's queue for about a week. It looks like it may have been a doubled-submission. It happens occasionally, which means checking the queue before quitting your session would be a good idea. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:01, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

--clarkmci / j_clark 08:09, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


Works like this and this should be entered as CHAPBOOKs with SHORTFICTION content records. You can pretty much be sure that a book with less than 80 pages is not a NOVEL. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:54, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Nele Schütz cover artist

Hi. Regarding the publications you primary verified and recorded with Nele Schütz Design as cover artist: could you please check if she's really the cover artist and not just the cover designer? I'm asking because the "Nele Schütz Design" record I just mentioned and another record for Nele Schütz actually mean the same person. You might either want to delete the reference to "Nele Schütz Design" from the publication records if she's only done the design, or change it to "Nele Schütz" if she co-created the cover art. See also the discussion on the Help Desk page. Thanks. Jens Hitspacebar 16:27, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'll dig out my copies, though, at the earliest, it won't be until late tomorrow (in Australia). The note I put on the Crimson Crown verification makes me think I interpreted it that "Nele Schütz Design" put together 3 images (one from in-house & two from a service) to make the final artwork, which, to me, makes "Nele Schütz Design" one of the artists. --clarkmci / j_clark 22:26, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


This should have been entered as a CHAPBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. I'll fix it. Keep in mind that a children's book with less than 100 pages is 100% of the time a CHAPBOOK. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:42, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Douglas Hill

Replaced Amazon covers for this book and this book with ones scanned from my own copy. --Mavmaramis 17:54, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks good. Thanks. --clarkmci / j_clark 05:56, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Strange Universe

Replaced cover of this book with full(er) wraparound version from my ex. library rebound copy (dust wrapper cut & pasted without flaps onto board). --Mavmaramis 18:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Graham Dunstan Martin

Replaced Amazon cover of Dream Wall with full wraparound version scanned from my own copy.

Replaced cover of Time-Slip with full wraparound version. --Mavmaramis 08:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, they look good & as I recall. I'll dig out my copies when I get a chance. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Catharine or Catherine Denvir

Can you confirm the credit of this record? Catherine Denvir is the more common usage. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Will dig out my copy when I get a chance (not for a day or 2 at the earliest). --clarkmci / j_clark 05:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Have you had a chance to confirm this credit? Mhhutchins 05:35, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Wasn't in the box it should have been in. :-( Will have to search further. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:26, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Since it's been sitting in the clean-up report for so long, I'm going to leave it as you recorded it, and make it into a variant. If you ever find it, and discover it should be "Catherine", please make the correction and remove the variant. Mhhutchins|talk 01:51, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

The Ruins of Gorlan

Probably a typo in the date field of this publication record. (The work was first published in 2004.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:50, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for spotting this. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Entry standard for subtitles

I just informed a new editor (who was entering subtitles with a space before and after the separating colon) about the entry standard. As explained here, the standard is to enter just a colon and space between title and subtitle. So I did an advanced search and found that more than a small percentage of those titles with two spaces were Australian publications which you had verified. (There were also a lot of French titles with the extra space, but I'm not ready to handle another language yet.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:14, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I've been following what seems to be a librarians' convention on Worldcat; the usage being as an artificial separator, rather than a grammatical colon. --clarkmci / j_clark 03:44, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, that's not the ISFDB standard. Librarians' conventional entry isn't always the same as ours, such as their capitalizing only the first word in a title. If it were up to me, we'd used a pipe to separate title from subtitle with a space on both sides, since, as you said, using a standard grammatical punctuation mark as a separator can be confusing. But it's too late to change that now. Mhhutchins 06:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Storm by Brigid Kemmerer

For Storm, I added some information to notes about what's on copyright page & back cover. Also these minor corrections: Canada price is $10.95 per back cover, not $10.99. Novella "Elemental" starts on p. 359 not 358 (358 is the end of the "Beyond the Story" section for Storm). BungalowBarbara 03:55, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Good spotting. Thanks. --clarkmci / j_clark 04:29, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Default display of non-English translations

When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion? The proposal basically boils down to changing the behavior of the Summary Bibliography when the viewing user is not logged in. Currently only English translations are displayed for unauthenticated users. The proposal would change it to displaying all translations. The downside is that the Summary page could get longer and harder to navigate.

I am trying to get a sense of how widespread the support for this change is. TIA! Ahasuerus 01:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the "heads up". Got to it after the tally. No strong opinions. Regards. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:06, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Astra Lacis

Could you please check if Astra Lācis is credited as "Astra Lacis" in your verified The Riddle of the Trumpalar? If she is credited as "Lācis", we could get rid of the variant title and the pseudonym. TIA! Ahasuerus 00:57, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll dig out my copy; might take a couple of days. --clarkmci / j_clark 03:01, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
No problem, thanks! Ahasuerus 03:31, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Cover designer (Cairo Jim series)

In several of the "Cairo Jim" books, you list both the cover artist and the cover designer as "artists" for the cover. This seems to be counter to the standards that say "The cover designer is usually not entered except if, and only if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field." There's nothing in the notes field for these books that imply that the cover designer also drew portions of the cover. The affected books are (at least) here, here, and here. Chavey 08:46, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Will dig out copies. --clarkmci / j_clark 00:13, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Angelo Renaldi or Rinaldi

Can you confirm the two credits for Angelo Renaldi? The artist is usually credited as Angelo Rinaldi. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 00:46, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Will dig them out (Ann Coburn) --clarkmci / j_clark 04:19, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Have found my copies. Both definitely Angelo Renaldi. --clarkmci / j_clark 23:36, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

"Geodesica 2: Descent", by Sean Williams , Shane Dix

I've been working on the project of converting "Cover" and "Cover2", when two artists are credited, into a single Cover record with those two artists. Your Geodesica 2: Descent was one of the books in that report, because it was listed with two artists. Except that your note states that one of them was the cover designer. Our policy is that The cover designer is usually not entered except if, and only if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field. At least reading the note, there is no reason to believe that Darren Holt drew any of the artwork -- e.g. he presumably did the layout and the text blocks, but not the actual art. As such, I deleted him as an artist, and left your note about him as the cover designer. Chavey 06:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Same statement about "Jane Waterhouse" being credited as a cover artist for Ghosts of Parihaka. Chavey 06:53, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

And about "Darren Holt" for the cover of Hammer of God. Chavey 06:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

And about "Craig Fraser" for the cover of Heart of Obsidian. Chavey 06:59, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

And "David Stevenson" for the cover of Ice Song. Chavey 15:28, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

And "Ruth Grüner" for the cover of In the Jaws of the Sea. Chavey 15:30, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Unlinked reviews

There are four reviews in this publication for titles not in the database, two of which create authors which are not in the database (as reported by this clean-up report). When you get a chance, can you create publication records for these titles from data found in the reviews? Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 04:45, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

in progress --clarkmci / j_clark 07:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
done --clarkmci / j_clark 20:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Marcia Borell

You made Marcia A. Borell into a pseudonym, but didn't variant the titles under that name. Please do so at your first convenience. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 04:05, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Noted, but still debating in my mind which version should be canonical. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
She uses the initial in her personal blog. That should be considered when choosing which is canonical. I'll remove the pseudonym until you decide which way to go, to avoid those titles showing up on a clean-up report. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 18:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Gwyneth Jones's Spirit

I have created a series for Gwyneth Jones Buonarotti Transit stories in which Spirit is included, and I've moved and expanded upon the note you added to the title record for Spirit regarding the book's link to her Aleutian Trilogy (which I've read and can confirm). Thanks. PeteYoung 16:53, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Great. --clarkmci / j_clark 05:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


Only a brief period of time left for this year (but it sure can wait until the next): do you have any indication of who the author of this shortfiction is? There are two Linda Steele, a) the author of Ibis and b) Linda Moorcock (wife of Michael Moorcock). Or can it be c) a new author? Do you have some time (this year or the next) to go into detective mode? Stonecreek 07:17, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, it's next year here, now, but I have located my copy of ASIM #39. The bio for Linda Steele says "Linda Steele was born in snowy Wisconsin ... Her publications include a science fiction novel, several fantasy stories, ...", so seems to me she's likely to be (a). --clarkmci / j_clark 11:18, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for looking! Stonecreek 05:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Possible Typos

Would you mind double checking these possible typos?

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:25, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Remarkably, all the pubs were located where they should have been. :-) So ... oops, stet, oops. Have fixed the typos & put a note for the misspelling. Thanks for bringing to my attention. --clarkmci / j_clark 05:46, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Author birthplace field

When updating the data of authors born in the United Kingdom, the abbreviation "UK" should be used instead. Otherwise it appears on the cleanup report which finds "invalid birthplaces". I've corrected the data for Annabel Smith. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 16:21, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Didn't know that. Thanks. What about New Zealand / NZ ? --clarkmci / j_clark 23:15, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
The only abbreviations that are software-mandated, as far as I know, are "USA" and "UK". "USSR" may be as well, but it's never come up on a cleanup report. Mhhutchins|talk 01:00, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. --clarkmci / j_clark 01:32, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Memory is that the restriction on "UK" is part of making sure that placenames are associated with country names "Kingdom of England", "Kingdom of Great Britain", and "United Kingdom" as appropriate depending on the date. To make the checks easier for the software, we needed to have a consistency on how "United Kingdom" was entered, and I suspect for conciseness, folks decided on "UK". "USA" had to be standardized because so many editors enter "City, State", and stop there when it's the U.S., so cleanup reports looking for that error needed to always see the same thing for when it was right. Most other nations, such as New Zealand, don't have those some regular confusions, so no tight standardization has been necessary. Chavey 02:32, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Dragon's Heart

I updated the notes for clarity and more info, updated the page numbers, and corrected the name of the interior artwork. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

A Monster Calls

I noted that the Greenaway and Carnegie Medals were won by illustrator Jim Kay and writer Patrick Ness respectively. (And recently similarly for the Jim Kay INTERIORART T1581739, "... Greenaway Medal for British children's book illustration".) --Pwendt|talk 00:23, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


found for this pub. --Zapp 18:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 02:30, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Cover art for Matched

Does this publication credit both artists for a single cover or are there two separate credits? If the former, one of the cover art records should be deleted, and the remaining record updated to credit both artists. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 18:22, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

fixed --clarkmci / j_clark 23:13, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Titling bimonthly periodicals

I noticed that several publications which you have primary verified for bimonthly magazines (like Andromeda Spaceways Inflight Magazine) using a slash (/) instead of a dash (-) to separate the months in the title field. It is IFSDB standard to use the dash, i.e. "January-February 2016" and not "January/February 2016". I've changed about a dozen of them and will continue to search for them. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 00:38, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh! Not what's on the title page? --clarkmci / j_clark 09:09, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The dash (or hyphen) has been the standard since before I came here in 2007. Here's the documentation. Look under the Missing or variant dates subsection:
"A hyphen should be used between two months used for a bimonthly issue."
99% of all such records use the hyphen. I noticed the slash in some records and further research showed that many of them had been yours. Mhhutchins|talk 19:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Queued submission

You have a submission in the queue that should be hard-rejected. The system wouldn't let me do it. Mhhutchins|talk 07:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

fixed --clarkmci / j_clark 09:09, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Possible Typos 10-Apr

Here are some possible typos:

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:24, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for finding these. Will have to dig out the pubs for #1 & #2. #3 is correctly incorrect & noted in the mag's pub record. Have fixed #4 --clarkmci / j_clark 06:42, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Later (much): #1 - fixed.
'#2 - is correct (I haven't read the story, but the author wrote a lot of horror, so ...) --clarkmci / j_clark 07:17, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Cover art credit for The Farseekers

You have primary verified this cover art by Connell Lee and Mary Callahan and this cover art by Connell Lee and Ann Wojczuk, and they are identical. Are the books incorrectly credited? Mhhutchins|talk 04:34, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

will have to dig out my copies from storage. --clarkmci / j_clark 09:53, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

"In the Shadow of [the?] Stones" in Southern Blood

Hi. Would you check you verified copy of Southern Blood and see if Rosaleen Love's story on p. 189 may be "... of the Stones" rather than "... of Stones"? The Look Inside for The Traveling Tide has the "the", and its acknowledgments refer to "The Shadow of the Stones" in Southern Blood. Thanks. --MartyD 21:22, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Definitely "In the Shadow of Stones" in Southern Blood --clarkmci / j_clark 07:18, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Cover art v. design

This publication appears on a clean-up report because of the two artists. According to most sources Butterworth was responsible only for the design and typography, and Young for the art. If so, ISFDB standards state that only the artist should be credited in the COVERART field, and the designer's contribution should just be noted. Mhhutchins|talk 15:13, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Similar situation with this publication Mhhutchins|talk 15:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

The Farseekers Cover Art

You have verified 4 editions of The Farseekers: 255875, 435551, 268608, & 435553. They all have the same cover art shown, but two are credited as Connell Lee and Ann Wojczuk and the other two are credited as Connell Lee and Mary Callahan. Since the artwork matches exactly, it looks like either there is a miscredit or the wrong artwork has been uploaded for two of the pubs. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

The same question was asked three posts above. Mhhutchins|talk 05:33, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

An Older Kind of Magic

This concerns two books I have in library copies that I should return next week, primarily the one now in hand, which I have not added to the database. I am here almost daily now.

You verified An Older Kind of Magic (Puffin 1st printing?). I have another "apparent first printing". But it differs from what you describe.

This copy gives the same four prices on back cover and also seems to be first printing in the sense of your second item. Your first two Notes fit. In contrast to your third item, however,

  • "PUFFIN BOOKS" appears alone on the title page (which is dominated by b/w illustration that spans two pages)
"Made and printed in Australia at // Alexander Bros, Mentone, Victoria" are the last two lines on the copyright page, top

The copyright page, bottom, is a notice that presumably violates US copyright law, I infer from a note displayed on the back cover. Regarding which, the back cover shows among other things:

  • "For copyright reasons this copy is not for sale in the U.S.A." (blue, above summary)
  • 'Cover illustration by Jack Newnham" (black, below summary)
  • same 4 prices you state (red)
  • back cover illustration seems to me a line drawing to which one purple has been added, a different type of illustration from both the front cover and interior

First things first, I wonder whether the database should have two nearly identical records of apparent 1st printings.

That back cover illustration of An Older King of Magic, now in hand, is a contrast with Down to Earth (Puffin 3rd), whose back cover is illustrated by black line drawing --and I take for granted that your Note on your 5th printing concerns the front cover only. For that book I cloned your record of the 5th and modified your Notes to fit (eg, printed in Hong Kong rather than Australia).

--Pwendt|talk 20:44, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

In my experience, Puffin/Penguin aren't always consistent with editions/printings. I think these are in storage. I'll have to make a trip there soon. --clarkmci / j_clark 04:57, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Kemlo and the Masters of Space

You verified P309397. Momentarily I will submit change of publisher from the American Publisher:Thomas Nelson to the British Publisher:Thomas Nelson & Sons. --Pwendt|talk 15:26, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Haven't located my copy yet, but UK sounds right. Thanks --clarkmci / j_clark 07:21, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

The Nargun and the Stars

You verified the 1973 Hutchinson Australia ed. 233433. Evidently that is 1st ed., perhaps joint 1st ed. by Hutchinson AU and UK.

Do you know whether Hutchinson AU and UK commonly shared ISBN? Else is it plausible that Library of Congress staff looking at a copy of the book you have would catalogue it as same ISBN and "[London] Hutchinson [1973]"? See LCCN 74-166411. (You link OCLC 28999642 which gives "Richmond, Vic., London : Hutchinson, 1973.")

Map. Both of the linked library records state "maps on lining papers". I have in hand a copy of 0-14-030780-X, Puffin US, tp format. Per back cover "Cover illustration by Stephen Marchesi // Copyright (c) Viking Penguin Inc., 1988". [We have two records with same ISBN, which do not fit this book.]
Front material includes a two-page "Map by Noela Young" per lower left corner. It is a birds-eye drawing of Wongadilla --representing trees and terrain in relief-- with several labels including Nargun's Gully and Nyols Caves in mountains at top right; two dashed lines "Wongadilla Boundary" across the pages from bottom center at about 10:00 and 1:00 o'clock.
Do you have that map as endpapers? The map is not mentioned on the copyright page of the 1988 book, nor is Noela Young named elsewhere, nor is there any other illustration in the book.

Will have to locate the books. I recall having difficulty deciding re Hutchinson AU or UK. They likely viewed themselves as same? &/or printed some in UK & some in Australia. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

--Pwendt|talk 20:58, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

By the way, do you know of same ISBN used for pb and tp formats? This is afterthought re last hour submission of a Wrightson book that I do not have in hand [9]. --Pwendt|talk 21:00, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Have had same ISBN pb & tp with Penguin &/or Puffin (eg Victor Kelleher &/or Isobelle Carmody IIRC). pb 1st, then tp for later "printings"/"editions" (sometimes with printing number reset to 1!) Also same ISBN UK & Oz. (I'll get back to you about the Wrightsons in the earlier item - I've located 3, but I'm not at home at the moment).
However, need care with pb/tp if basing off Worldcat records, because there are a quite a few Worldcat records for Aust'n books that have "19 cm" but the books are definitely pbs (i.e., 18 cm - I usually note this next to the OCLC). I would think "20 cm" in Worldcat, though, would be be very likely to be really tp. --clarkmci / j_clark 07:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Ted Hughes's The Iron Man and The Iron Woman

As verifiers of publications of both these titles (1, 2), I propose we change the publication type from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK for both. The first is probably a novelette, the second somewhere between a novelette and a novella. What do you think? (I've asked the same question to Mavmaramis regarding The Iron Man). PeteYoung 07:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Discussion of The Iron Man here. Also, a word count for The Iron Woman puts it at around 22,000 words, making it a NOVELLA ("A work whose length is greater than 17,500 words and less than or equal to 40,000 words"). PeteYoung 09:55, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


re:, I also verified, and added Pub Note about the printing gutter code. Markwood 18:56, 17 July 2016 (UTC)


I uploaded a cover scan of this pub. --Zapp 18:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

The Man Who Melted

Added a few minor notes to our verified pub. PeteYoung 08:00, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Harland's Taken by Force

I've solved your evident woes about the poor quality cover scan for our verified pub, as mentioned in your Notes. Yes, it was a bugger to get right but I ended up oversaturating the jpeg and it now looks much more like the real thing. Buy me a beer. :) PeteYoung 17:49, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Cover photographer found

of Bloodflower and cover artist changed. --Zapp 19:55, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Cover designers

Hi, I guess cover designers or stock image platforms should not be cover artists, see this cover. So I changed it. --Zapp 21:09, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Same here --Zapp 19:38, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Witches Incorporated

I've added a few notes to Witches Incorporated and included the Excerpt. --AndyjMo 17:23, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


Added extra Notes to Aramaya. --AndyjMo 21:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

N/A Marked Primary Verifications

In the following pub, you have marked a primary verification slot as N/A:

I assume you meant to click verified? If you could update it, it would be appreciated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:55, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

The Wizards' Den

Re that 2001 anthology you verified 248265:

Probably "Professor de Lara and the Twopenny Spell", p21-32, is "The Twopenny Spell", Oswald Bastable and Others (1905), p167-80 with one plate facing p170 (e-copy at HathiTrust).

(I expect to add some number of the "Others" stories to the database this week.) --Pwendt|talk 21:40, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

next week? I am still working on other Nesbit. --Pwendt|talk 22:02, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


I have altered the titles of two of your Shades entries to the ISFDB standard way of giving them -- from Shades :: 03 :: Ancient Light, to Shades 03: Ancient Light. --Vasha 18:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

SQ Mag, Edition 21


There was a mismatched " in the second link in the notes of your verified SQ Mag, Edition 21 causing the rest of the note to be invisible. I submitted an update to fix the link and now it is fully visible. Annie 07:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

And a similar problem in Under Stones is also fixed. Annie 05:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Dimension6 #3

My edit to this publication was to correct a typo in the title. --Vasha 18:06, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Day-dreaming on Company Time"

I have changed the date of first publication of "Necropolis" according to revised information about the volume it was published in, from Library of Australia and the author's bibliography. --Vasha 19:20, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Immaterial: Ghost Stories

I have corrected the first publication date of "The Calling"; the author's bibliography indicates that Redoubt #3 appeared in 1988, and sources such as this agree. --Vasha 19:47, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Agog! Smashing Stories

I have changed the length of Robert HOod's "Regolith" from short story to novelette according to the author's indication and my own counting of the words in the Peripheral Visions publication. --Vasha 20:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Yorath the Wolf

Updated the Printing History and added source of the Cover Artist to Yorath the Wolf. --AndyjMo 17:18, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

Cover of Winter Be My Shield

I'm going to add Darren Holt as an artist for the coverart record for your verified Winter Be My Shield. Your notes mention that he is credited with cover design. My understanding is that Shutterstock is mainly a provider of stock photos and I expect that Holt is responsible for arranging them into the overall artwork for the cover. My ultimate reason for wanting to do this is that Holt received a nomination for a David Gemmell Ravenheart award for this cover in 2013 (it's in the long list). Let me know if you disagree and we can arrange the award in some other way. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:58, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

Down Under Headline

Hi. When you have a free moment, could you please have a look at this discussion and share your enlightened view (if any) ? TIA, Linguist 04:49, 12 August 2017 (EDT).

Dates of SQ Mag

I've been going through back issues of SQ Mag that you added and changing the date to the cover date, as is standard for magazines (so if it said "January 2015" on the front, it's 2015-01-00). --Vasha 10:52, 25 August 2017 (EDT)

The Uncrowned King

Re The Uncrowned King, which you verified; if you still have it around, can you check if it is first printing, by number line? the copy i have is, so i jumped ahead and edited the pub listing, but if it isn't i'll make a new entry. thanks. gzuckier 03:27, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

The Martian Ambassador

Replaced the Amazon Cover Art of The Martian Ambassador with a scan of my copy. The title is readable, even with the gilt covering. Also added the Copyright statement and moved the OCLC. --AndyjMo 05:55, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

Harding's Children of Atlantis

I have found that many (if not all) of this author's juveniles are in fact not novels but novellas, including the one in the heading. I'll change them if there's no further evidence that they are set with many, many words on the page. Stonecreek 15:38, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

Run for Cover

I changed the publication title of Tomorrow Girls: Run for Cover to match the title record Run for Cover. Nether of the should have the series in the title. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 23:44, 27 June 2018 (EDT)


Price £2.95 from "Naomi Lewis reviews a choice of fantasy fiction" The Observer 1975-11-30 p27

--as I would note it.
And I find a second report of the same price in another review column, "Possible futures" by Brian Ball The Guardian 1975-12-04 p14.

I suppose that is Brian N. Ball. --Pwendt|talk 20:13, 11 July 2018 (EDT)

Editors of collections

Hi Clark -- I noticed that in a number of cases (this, this, this and probably others?) you entered a collection with the editor as one of the authors. But a collection should have only the author of the stories as the author; see Help:Screen:NewPub#Author(s) where it says "If the book is a COLLECTION or a single-author OMNIBUS, but also credits an editor, that credit can only be noted in the Note fields of the publication record and the title record." Please correct the problem with these titles ... --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 01:35, 11 August 2018 (EDT)

Never mind--I have realized that the addition of the editor is because they were given an award for the work. I apologize for not spotting that sooner and for assuming you didn't know what you were doing! --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 12:15, 6 November 2018 (EST)

Delete The Bailey Game?

Hi, The Bailey Game is not supernatural horror, so is not eligible for inclusion. As you have PV'd the pub, can you delete the pubs & title? Thank you! MagicUnk 07:23, 23 November 2018 (EST)
Same for Truth or Dare. I can't find any speculative element. Can you confirm, and delete if not spec fic? Thanks! MagicUnk 07:29, 23 November 2018 (EST)

Touch - cover artist question

Hi, you've PV'd Touch. Could you check your copy and confirm who Sophie Burdess really is? Is she the cover designer, or is she effectively credited as artist in your copy? If she's the designer, I would like to remove both her (we don't normally track designers) and Shutterstock (not very useful) as artists. Thanks! MagicUnk 10:23, 2 May 2019 (EDT)

Space Hostages

Image URL added to this pub. --Zapp 05:38, 23 July 2019 (EDT)

Circle of Magic / The Wizard Apprentice -- books 7 and 8

A quick note about your verified editions of books 7 and 8 in the Circle of Magic / The Wizard Apprentice. They were published as by "Debra Doyle and James D. Macdonald", but, as per Macdonald's communication with SFE3, they were actually written by an unidentified author. Doyle and Macdonald were neither informed about nor paid for these two books. I have updated the records. Ahasuerus 10:32, 11 October 2021 (EDT)

Moderator flag

Checking your last User Activity date, I see that you were last active on 2019-02-28, i.e. over two and half years ago. According to Moderator Policy, "Moderators who have been inactive for over 12 months lose moderator privileges". I have disabled the moderator flag on your account, so when you come back, you won't be able to moderate submissions. No need to panic, though :-) We have a list of Moderator Qualifications and you can reclaim the ability to approve submissions once you go through the process. Hope to see you again when you have time for the ISFDB! Ahasuerus 18:19, 14 October 2021 (EDT)

The Serpent

Cover art for this is Mick Van Houten. I emailed him and he replied thus "I forgot about those early covers. I did maybe 5 of those for Jane Gaskell. You are correct about the lack of credit. I can’t remember doing any later work for Futura. Most of my later work was for Granada and New English Library, who always were correct about such things, and were good at supplying me with work that I enjoyed doing." --Mavmaramis 00:53, 17 June 2022 (EDT)