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Would you please look at Nyarlathotep (2008)? Is this the same as the 1920 prose poem? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:39, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

   Interesting. In the only one of the pubs showing this as a short story that I own, it is indeed the "prose poem" (which also appears under that label in another pub that I own). My guess is that all of the other pubs showing this item as a SHORTSTORY are also the same prose poem. I would never realize it was a prose poem if somebody didn't tell me; it really doesn't have the sort of structure that other prose poems in my (rather limited) experience have. I'm changing the designation in the one pub I have, and I would support changing the other unverified appearances as well if the other verifiers also find their pubs to be the prose poem. Bob 17:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Door Into Summer

Not a change to your verified pub per se, but I've been going through many pubs of The Door Into Summer and capitalising the "into" to "Into". Thanks. PeteYoung 02:32, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

   Okay. I'm never sure if prepositions should be capitalized in titles. I tend not to, but sometimes do so. Bob 15:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Kreativity for Kats

Added the publication series to Kreativity for Kats. MLB 09:33, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

   And for this edition. MLB 09:40, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
       Cool! Bob 15:05, 15 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] "Two's Company"

In your verified publication Sharp End you have "Two's Company" as a novelette, but the online version is 7,137 words long. could you recheck that and change the length if necessary? Thanks! --Vasha 22:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

   You're right, it is a shortstory. Fixed. Bob 23:12, 15 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Typos

Hi, for the story Isis Unveiled I have changed the author Edward Hrisch into Edward Hirsch as it appears a typo. I also think that Michael Swanwich is a typo for Michael Swanwick, but was not able to check that directly. Could you please look it up?--Dirk P Broer 11:04, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

   The first one is definitely a typo. Thanks for fixing it. The second one is not really a typo, but the result of the typeface used in the pub and my unfamiliarity with the gentleman. I honestly thought it was an "h", but it clearly should be a "k". Fixed. Thanks for finding these! Bob 19:13, 20 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] In the Garden of Unearthly Delights: The Paintings of Josh Kirby

Hello, you'll notice that a large part of the items in this publication have a 1995 date which is uncorrect for a 1991 book. Two remarks: 1) when cloning or importing "backwards" in time you'll have to check the dates and modify them beforehand (when it can be done in one pass), 2) you'll have to attend to this problem, either by changing the date to 1991 for all titles involved or trying a more complicated maneuver (deleting all the contents of the 1991 publication, updating the 1995 one and re-importing the lot). Thanks. Hauck 09:06, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

   Wow, never ran into that one before. I'll fix it. Bob 15:25, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
       Usually it happens with a NOVEL title and is quick to fix. In your case, it's more troublesome. Think that someone (probably me) will have to approve your changes one by one ;-). Hauck 15:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
           That did occur to me (blush). Bob 02:41, 27 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Mebmoth the Wanderer

I approved your variant of Mebmoth the Wanderer to "Melmoth the Wanderer". However, is Mebmoth (with a 'b') correct? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:35, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

   Egad, no. It's Melmoth. Fixed. Thanks for catching this particularly dumb one! Bob 02:40, 27 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] La geste de Kadji

Hello, when you find and add new data to a PVed publication, our etiquette requires that you notify PVs (according to their stated preferences). Note also that, in such a case (the discovery of the artist) other contributors (including me) may be intersted by your finding (e.g. for updating their own database). Please remember this for the future. Thanks for finding the information. Hauck 06:45, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

   Sorry about that, didn't realize it was a problem. I've done a lot of art books, and Kirby's were the first ones where there were multiple illustrations where the book cover artist wasn't identified in the original pub. If fact, there were several pubs where the edition wasn't in the data base (although the pub itself was). In almost all cases, the missing i.d.s were for non-English language editions; in all cases, non-U.S. editions. And of course, there were multiple non-genre pubs, but those I've run into a lot before. I'll be sure to notify the verifiers when I add the artist in the future. Bob 18:01, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
       Thanks for the effort. Hauck 18:56, 28 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Galaxy Science Fiction, July 1956

In Galaxy Science Fiction, July 1956, converted the following three reviews to essays:

   "On the Nature of Man" by Dagobert D. Runes
   "A Gallery of Scientists" by Rufus Suter
   "Music from Out of Space" by Harry Revel 

These were all non-genre works by authors below the threshold. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:11, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks for taking the effort on these! Bob 15:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Intentional or a possible typo?

Hello, Bob! Is this title right? Stonecreek 13:57, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

   Amazing how I can just look past something that dumb! Fixed. Thanks for finding this silly mistake. Bob 17:57, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
       Ha! We can easily compete on sillyness. I've done my share on amazing typos, believe me! Christian Stonecreek 18:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] "Xanth" drawing

Hi Bob. Did you perhaps mean to change the date on this Xanth interiorart to 1989? The submission incorporated that into the notes but left the date unchanged (unlike your other submissions in that batch, which changed the dates, too). Just double-checking in case. --MartyD 11:34, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

   Sure did. Thanks! Bob 17:05, 4 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Sea Hag

Added the LCCN and the ISBN to The Sea Hag. MLB 05:27, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks. By the way, somehow you stuck an "é" in the address. Bob 17:52, 5 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Terraforming Earth

Hello, I've got a hc of Terraforming Earth that, contrary to your PVed copy has stated "first edition" with full numberline. Can you check your copy and see if it may be a second printing or a BCE (this one?)? Thomcomstock 15:08 6 February 2017 UTC

   You're correct, my copy also has the first edition statement and full number line. I didn't check, but trusted Willem. Sorry about that! As far as I'm concerned, please feel free to make the changes. Bob 17:26, 6 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Name check needed: Spectrum 23: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art


Can you check in your verified Spectrum 23: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art that the artist of Mars Attacks Occupation is Alex Harley and not Alex Horley. Thanks! Annie 16:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

   It is indeed "Horley". Fixed. Bob 18:06, 6 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Sleeping Dragon

Your verified copy of The Sleeping Dragon does not give the source of the Cover Artist or the Map Artist. Is it worth pointing out that other versions have said that the cover is "in the style of Darrell Sweet". As far as the map artist is concerned there is a reference in the second book (The Sword and the Chain) to Susan Bissett, thanking her for the maps. Is that the source? --AndyjMo 18:33, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

   Looking at this pub, I realize I have the third printing; although the copyright page says "First printing, November, 1983". the number line indicates third printing. I cloned the pub and noted that neither the cover artist nor the map artist are identified. If you can identify either artist, please do so and add a note on the source of the information. Thanks for bringing this up! Bob 18:51, 6 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Jim Tiernay vs Jim Tierney

Hi, considering the body of work from Jim Tierney, could you please double-check your copy of The Witch's Vacuum Cleaner and Other Stories, where Jim Tiernay is credited for the cover art?--Dirk P Broer 20:42, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

   Right you are! Fixed. Bob 22:27, 7 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Leopard of Poitain

Hi Bob. Regarding this duplicate page for the above, I see that the stories themselves are different but is the art different as well? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 16:05, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

   Good question, Doug. The illustrations are completely different. I've added notes. Bob 17:44, 12 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Art of Ken Kelly

Hello, just in case (as I suppose that you're going to variant its content to covers), remember to variant all the contents to the canonical as the whole lot appear in one of our cleanup reports. Hauck 11:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

   Understand. It's a real shame that the canonical name was chosen with the middle initial. It does seem that the name he uses most often doesn't contain the middle initial. Bob 00:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] April 1975 Galaxy

I'm changing the author credit of this essay in the April 1975 issue of Galaxy from "Frederik Pohl" to "Fred Pohl" which is how it appears in the issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:57, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

   Fine! Thanks. Bob 18:34, 16 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] D. L Wheatley vs D. L. Wheatley

Hi, for your verified copy of The Barbarian Scroll, #2 July 1988 I have issued a change request for the essay and interior of D. L Wheatley. According to me they are typos for D. L. Wheatley.--Dirk P Broer 02:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks! Bob 04:37, 18 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] August 1975 Galaxy

I'm changing the author credit of this essay in the August 1975 issue of Galaxy from "J. E. Pournelle, Ph.D." to "Jerry Pournelle, Ph.D." which is how it appears on the title page. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:33, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

   Cool! Bob 19:33, 18 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Those Dreadful Eltdown Shards Cover

Could you double check the credit for the cover artist of Those Dreadful Eltdown Shards. You have it as "Allen Kozowski" whereas he usually appears as "Allen Koszowski". I'm certain that he's the same person. If the credit is as you have it, you should go ahead and create a new pseudonym and variant. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

   Another dumb typo. Fixed. Thanks! Bob 15:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Richard Clifton-Day

In Mechanismo, you credit the illustration on page 42 to Richard Clifton-Day. Should this be Richard Clifton-Dey? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:47, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

   It surely should be. Fixed. Bob 03:52, 20 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] De Camp's Warlocks and Warriors

I've added the Reginald number and linked the LCCN and Worldcat number's to De Camp's Warlocks and Warriors. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks, Ron! Bob 01:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Balance of Trade?

You have "Liaden Currency and Time" as SHORTFICTION in Balance of Trade and I think that must be a slip. --Vasha 18:48, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

   Must be. I've changed it to ESSAY. But sometimes I wonder, since the material is certainly fiction, if that makes a lot of sense. Bob 20:08, 22 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Startling Mystery Stories #11

This is mine and this is yours and mine belongs to this series which I created. I have additional data in my listing. You might want to check out both and see which one should be kept. Or we could merge data from both. Let me know. MLB 23:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

   I've been adding and subtracting info as I obtain the facsimiles from the Pulp Tales Press as I created most of these entries from the website. If you go to the publisher's website you'll find that the publisher likes to play shell games with his publications, so I picked Pulp Tales Press as the most consistent one. I've seen the publisher listed as CreateSpace, Lulu, Pulpville, Pulp Tales Press, Fiction House Press, ERBville Press, and Jerry Schneider Enterprises. And that's only the ones that are involved in f&sf, which is why I use Pulp Tales Press for most of Schneider's publications. MLB 00:00, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
       I'm happy to leave it to yours. I'll verify that one. The one thing that bothers me is that I bought this from the Lulu site, not directly from Pulp Tales Press, so your note that the 'zine is only available from the publisher was not true back when I bought mine. Bob 00:10, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
           Okay, I can change that. While going through some of the pubs by this publisher I found this. Virgil Finlay? MLB 00:20, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
               Sure looks like. Bob 03:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Startling Mystery Stories Fall 1970

Bob, I hate to keep bothering you about these magazines, but in my entry of Startling Mystery Stories Fall 1970 there is a letter by Ted H. Straus that I posted to this site, and in Magazine of Horror, Summer 1970 which you primary verified, the writer is listed as Ted H. Strauss. There is no use asking Seniorlady, as she is no longer active. If yours is correct then mine will have to a variant, or vice versa. Let me know. MLB 07:11, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

   No problem at all, that's how we keep things straight. In this case, my verified 'zine credit had an extra 's', now corrected. In fact, if you look at the cover scan, the name is right there! Bob 20:22, 24 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Women of the Woods

Bob, I accepted Women of the Woods, but I'm thinking the pub type might be more appropriately ANTHOLOGY (sort of like MAGAZINE) than NONFICTION. I don't really know, but it seems strange to have a NONFICTION that contains SHORTFICTION. --MartyD 02:26, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

   Yeah, that bothered me as well, although I bought it not for the stories, but for the artwork. I'll change it. Bob 04:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Long Cosmos

You notes for The Long Cosmos say that none of the art is credited. The back flap of the dustjacket notes that the photographs of the space background and planet Earth are from NASA and the landscape and figures are from Shutterstock. The copyright page notes that "Specifications of the USN space vessel Uncle Arthur on p. ix illustrated by Richard Shailer"SFJuggler 04:15, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

   I did miss the INTERIORART attribution, and have corrected it. I saw the cover photo attributions, but of course the photographers were not credited. I added a note for the source of the photos. Bob 05:00, 25 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Spectrum 19 and Chrissie Zulo

If you have it easily at hand, would you check a piece in your verified Spectrum 19? I'm wondering about Cinderalla: Fables Are Forever 4. Two things: Is her name spelled "Zulo" or might it be "Zullo"? Is it "Cinderalla" (with an "a") or "Cinderella" (with an "e")? A pseudonym submission for Zulo -> Zullo came by, so I'm wondering if we've got typos or actual variations. Thanks. --MartyD 12:51, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

   The entry is as given next to the artwork in the pub. However, the artist index at the back of the pub gives her name as "Zullo", so I could live with either a variant to the correct name (as is currently shown) or just changing the spelling of the name. This is not an uncommon sort of error in the Spectrum series. Bob 18:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Kingsgate: The Art of Keith Parkinson

Hi, Bob. Somehow the contender NONFICTION title got removed or overwritten. I added a new one. Christian Stonecreek 20:06, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks, Christian. I'm sure it was somehow my mistake, but I'm not sure how. Bob 22:00, 25 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Carrie Schechter vs Carie Schechter

Hi, I've changed Carie Schechter into Carrie Schechter for Etiquette & Espionage because it looks very much like a typo, based of this entry for Etiquette & Espionage (and the rest of the Carrie Schechter entry).--Dirk P Broer 00:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

   Good decision! Thank you. Bob 01:28, 28 February 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Pegasus, November 15, 1968


Can you check in your verified Pegasus, November 15, 1968, if the artist on pages 8 and the one on page 13 and 16 are really different? It is Joe Zalabbak vs Joe Zalabak and I wonder if there is a missing b somewhere or too many in the other names. Thanks! Annie 01:16, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

   Annie, sorry this took so long. Those one off pubs are more difficult to find on my bookshelves. You are correct, the single "b" is correct, and has been fixed. Bob 17:41, 2 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] "Drunkard's Walk"

A merge removed the variant relationship from this Drunkard's Walk (well, from the one merged into it) to this one. I couldn't tell if it was deliberate or accidental, so I figured I'd mention it just in case. --MartyD 01:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

   I was afraid that would happen. Thanks for the heads up! Bob 04:18, 2 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Cinderella, Inc. vs Cinderella, Inc

Hi, I've merged Cinderella, Inc with Cinderella, Inc. as the copyright page indicated that it was a 1952 story and though it is mentioned as 'Cinderella, Inc' in the TOC it says 'Cinderella, Inc.' on the title page.--Dirk P Broer 13:49, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

   Just fine! Bob 17:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] An author called "untitled"


Can you verify in your PV'd Testament: A Celebration of the Life & Art of Frank Frazetta that the author of "Huns" (page 154) is credited as "untitled"? If it is not, then this should really be "uncredited" instead :) Annie 19:47, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

   Blush! It's uncredited. Bob 00:15, 3 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Second Earth cover

The submission I have on hold wants to change the cover art URL from an Amazon image link to an ISFDB publication record. :-) I'm guessing you want to link to that pub's cover instead of the Amazon one? I didn't want to go on that assumption and lose the original URL if I'm wrong, so I figured I'd ask first. --MartyD 00:18, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

   Yes, I did want to replace the Amazon image with the ISFDB one. Bob 00:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC) 
       Ok, I rejected that submission and linked to the ISFDB image. --MartyD 02:02, 5 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] "The October Pumpkins" in The Diversifier #28-29

In your verified The Diversifier #28-29 is a short story "The October Pumpkins" by Michael Capobianco. Apparently, there are two Michael Capobiancos, and this one is Michael "F.". I'm thinking about how to set up the disambiguation. Is there any mention of "F." anywhere in the magazine that would let us use it in the credit instead of the dreaded "(1)"? --MartyD 01:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

   Sorry, no hint of an "F" on the story, the toc or the editorial. Bob 04:15, 5 March 2017 (UTC) 
       Ok, thanks for checking. I changed the credit to use "(I)", since this is the only story for this guy, leaving the prolific one with no disambiguator. --MartyD 11:23, 5 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Dream Palace

Hello, an interiorart record titled Dream Palace appears twice in this publication (note that this will likely appear on one of our cleanup report). Can you first confirm that? Thanks. Hauck 17:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

   Confirmed. The illustration appears twice, once opposite the introduction, then again where the artist discusses it. Bob 17:42, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
       Thanks, I've tried to adjust things (there is no solution to such a problem, so I've updated the notes and deleted the extra record). Hauck 17:50, 6 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Page Length

Re-hello, as your page is now quite long, perhaps is it time to archive some of its contents. Hauck 17:54, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

   I agree, but I never can remember how to do it. Help!! Bob 17:56, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
       Done (to your liking?). Hauck 18:41, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
           Thank you!!! Perfect. Bob 18:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Additions to notes for "The Turn"

Hi, I have added to the Notes for your verified copy of The Turn - Canada price, source of cover artist, subtitle. BungalowBarbara 01:28, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

   Great! Are you going to verify it? Bob 04:24, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
       Yep, just did that! BungalowBarbara 22:25, 12 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] There and Back Again

I approved your edit to There and Back Again: The Map of Tolkien's "Hobbit". However, I suspect that "J. R. R. Tolkein" is a typo. If the credits are with an "ei" in the book, we'll need to create a pseudonym. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

   Somehow, I got the misspelling caught in my mind. Fixed. Bob 00:40, 18 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Pearl and Sir Orfeo

I'm holding your edit to add Pearl and Sir Orfeo as a chapbook. Aside from the misspelling of Tolkien as "Tolkein", there are several other issues. First, "Pearl" and "Sir Orfeo" are two different poems, which would make this an anthology rather than a chapbook. As an anthology, we should credit the editor (which may be uncredited in this case. The reader should only be credited in the notes. Tolkien's translations for these two poems are already in the database and are contained in this title. I'm thinking that this is probably too much to fix if I approve the addition, but I will if you want to go that way rather than re-adding this as an anthology. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:46, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

   Reading the description of the pub on Amazon, it wasn't clear to me that there were two poems; I recognized that there were broader pubs, of course. I'll reenter the pub as an anthology with an uncredited editor. Actually, I was considering crediting the pub to "uncredited" with the date 1330, and mentioning Tolkien in the notes as well. But the other translated poems didn't do this, so I stuck with the earliest dated mention of "Pearl" and "Sir Ofreo", and credited Tolkien. Oh well, live and learn. Bob 00:38, 18 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] On Frazetta's Art

This weekend I disambiguated an American 1970s/80s illustrator as Charles Robinson (I) 248725.

You verified Ariel, A Fantasy Magazine, Autumn 1976 P3021, which includes "On Frazetta's Art" by illustrator Charles Robinson. I allocated this to Charles (I) because the other known contributors are contemporary to Frazetta.

Yet the title does suggest that the essay may compare Frazetta with a renowned illustrator of long ago, which would be Charles Robinson (Charles Heath, 1870-1937). --Pwendt|talk 17:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

   Looking at the illustration, I believe it was crafted by the older Charles Robinson because of the style. The illustration appears next to a section titled "Comparison to Fantasy Illustrators", and although there is no direct mention of the illustration in the text, the wording is a comparison of Frazetta's style to that of fairy tale illustrations of an earlier era. Bob 18:11, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
       Thanks. I restored that one to Charles Heath with copy-paste most of your last clause. Feel free to credit yourself formally, or paraphrase, etc. T1480157 --Pwendt|talk 18:44, 18 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World

Are The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World and Seven Wonders of the Ancient World the same pub? -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:23, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

   They surely are. I deleted the newer entry. Bob 18:31, 19 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Tolkien's World

Hello, I've put your submission on hold, perhaps is your proposed entry the same book as this one, can you have a look? Thanks. Hauck 10:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

   Yeah, it is. What threw me was the "uncredited" author. I'll delete it and enter the book's author. Thanks for finding it. Bob 18:35, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
       I have a problem though, from poking around with this Tolkien related material. There is a series "The History of the Lord of the Rings", that included 4 books: The Return of the Shadow, The Treason of Isengard, The War of the Ring and The End of the Third Age. The books were published with the series heading on the cover individually, and there was also a 4-book set. Authors were J. R. R. and Christopher Tolkien. Unfortunately, the first three titles in the series are also titles of books in the series "The History of Middle Earth" by the same authors. I don't know if the books in both series with identical titles are identical or not; I guess I suspect they are. If you look at the covers, for example, see The Treason of Isengard, you will see that some (in the case of Treason, 2) of the covers have "The History of the Lord of the Rings" above the title. So is there some way to show both series? I created entries for many of the books in "The History of the Lord of the Rings", but not the set of the whole series yet. Bob 18:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
           Both series, no. You can go for a nested relationship between series which may lead you to such a splendid mess. Hauck 18:58, 20 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The History of the Lord of the Rings

I accepted The History of the Lord of the Rings, but I switched it from COLLECTION to OMNIBUS. Boxed Set is already sort of naturally an omnibus, and all four of them had been published separately previously, so that seemed the best treatment. --MartyD 01:03, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

   I understand. Each of the four is a collection, so I thought even the four together formed a collection as well. But I certainly can't object to omnibus. Thanks. Bob 02:39, 21 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Cover images for Titus Groan / Titus Alone ...

... look the same, but I do wonder if this wasn't put up by mistake by an unknown hand, as the title on the cover actually reads Titus Alone instead of Titus Groan. Do you know more? Stonecreek 19:32, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

   I think you must be correct, but I haven't been able to fine the book on-line. Probably the best thing to do is dump the cover scan altogether. Bob 00:23, 27 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] "Diplodocus"

The merge you submitted for the "Berni" versions of "Diplodocus" included a Dutch one, along with the English. So I rejected that and redid it with just the three Engish ones. I also cleaned up all of the "Bernie" ones, leaving this. Please check that it looks ok. I'm not entirely confident I fully understood what you wanted the end result to be. Thanks. --MartyD 00:59, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

   Yeah, looks fine to me. Thank you for taking the trouble! Bob 14:26, 27 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Hobbit: A 3-D Pop-Up Adventure


Does The Hobbit: A 3-D Pop-Up Adventure contain the full text of the novel as the content of your verified indicates? Annie 17:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

   No, just pieces of it. Bob 17:56, 29 March 2017 (UTC) 
       Then I will remove the novel from the record and pull the publication from the novel title and variant it instead (As we do for abridgements and translations). Any issues with this? Annie 18:01, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
           Nope! Seems fine to me. Bob 18:15, 29 March 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Falkenberg's Legion/Falkenberg's Legions and Future History

Hi, according to me Falkenberg's Legions (1990) and Falkenberg's Legion (1990) are exactly the same and both variant titles of the OMNIBUS Future History (1980), containing The Mercenary and West of Honor.--Dirk P Broer 23:55, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

   Not quite. "Falkenberg's Legion" in the book The Prince probably contains "West of Honor", but I can't be sure since I don't have a copy of that book any longer. But it does contain only the first 12 chapters of The Mercenary in a second section titled "The Mercenary" (strangely enough). The Prologue is used as the Prologue for the entire "Falkenberg's Legion". The rest of the original The Mercenary appears as the second half of "Prince of Mercenaries" in the section titled "Sword and Septre". Fortunately, I have a hardback copy of The Mercenary, so I can confirm this split. I think Pournelle was trying to put the entire series in chronological order in The Prince, so rearranged parts of The Mercenary. 
   In case you're interested, "Falkenberg's Legion" in The Prince begins with a section titled "Part One: The Codoinium Years". It begins, "Princeton, New Jersey. United States of America. / The student lounge was noisy as usual." And ends, "Yet—while it is easy to denounce the CoDominium and its endless cynicism. It is not so certain that whatever replaces it will be better. Indeed, we must wonder just what would survive the collapse of the CoDominium . . ." Bob 01:16, 2 April 2017 (UTC) 
       This is the case. There is The Mercenary (1977 col.) made out of The Mercenary (1972) novelette, Peace With Honor (1971) novelette and Sword and Sceptre (1973) novelette] and there is West of Honor (1976). These two were combined in Future History (Omnibus, 1980), a UK-only publication. 10 Years later the same gets published in the US as Falkenberg's Legion (Omnibus 1990 -but presented as Novel in Isfdb). As presented on The Science Fiction Timeline Site - Pournelle's Future History - Bibliography:
           West of Honor. 1976, 1978. Later absorbed into Falkenberg's Legion (details below). 
           The Mercenary. 1977. Later absorbed into Falkenberg's Legion (details below). 
           Falkenberg's Legion. 1990. Abbreviated as "FL". Jerry Pournelle. Only one version under this title (Baen Books): 432 pages. 
           Prologue (pp. 1-12). Originally appeared as The Mercenary, prologue. 
           Part One, Ch. 1-2 (pp. 15-27): new. 
           Part One, Ch. 3 (pp. 28-37). Originally appeared as West of Honor prologue. 
           Part One, Ch. 4-19 (pp. 38-202). Originally appeared as West of Honor Ch. 1-16. (This may have appeared in magazine form in 1976? -> = Laser Books publication) 
           Part Two, Prologue (pp. 205-209): new. 
           Part Two, Ch. 1-4 (pp. 210-243). Originally appeared as "Peace With Honor", Analog 1971. Next appeared as The Mercenary, Ch. 1-4. 
           Part Two, Ch. 5-11 (pp. 244-334). Originally appeared as "The Mercenary", Analog 1972. Next appeared as The Mercenary, Ch. 5-11. 
           Part Two, Ch. 12-22 (pp. 335-432). Originally appeared as "Sword and Sceptre", Analog 1973. Next appeared as The Mercenary, Ch. 12-22. 
           The Prince is a Omnibus of Falkenberg's Legion (itself being omnibus of The Mercenary and West of Honor), Prince of Mercenaries (both by Pournell alone), Go Tell the Spartans and Prince of Sparta--Dirk P Broer 09:57, 2 April 2017 (UTC) 
               Dirk, as I said above, Chapter 12 of The Mercenary (at least the hardcover version) appears as the last chapter in "Falkenberg's Legion" in The Prince, NOT in "Sword and Septre" as part of "Prince of Mercenaries" in the same pub. I don't care what some website says, I verified this directly from the books. Bob 12:43, 2 April 2017 (UTC) 
                   Where do I write Prince of Mercenaries?--Dirk P Broer 21:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
                       I am trying to establish that Falkenberg's Legion and Falkenberg's Legions are both seen as variant titles for Future History because they all have the same content. I'll cite the copyrigt page of Future History for you:
                           The Mercenary copyright ©1977 by Jerry Pournelle 
                           West of Honor copyright ©1976,1978 by Jerry Pournelle 
                           Portions of The Mercenary were previously published 
                           in Analog Magazine as 'Peace with Honor' copyright 
                           ©1971 by Conde Nast; 'The Mercenary' copyright 
                           ©1972 by Conde Nast and 'Sword and Sceptre' 
                           copyright ©1973 by Conde Nast. 
                       You may find a likewise copyright section for the content of The Mercenary in your hardcover copy.--Dirk P Broer 21:20, 2 April 2017 (UTC) 

O.K., "Prince of Mercenaries" in The Prince starts without a prologue, has 27 chapters, then a section titled "Sword and Sceptre", which does have a one-page prologue, then Chapters 13-22 of The Mercenary. "Sword and Sceptre" is part of "Prince of Mercenaries" in this pub, it is not listed in the TOC and the page heading continues to be "Prince of Mercenaries". Sadly, there is no detailed copyright, simply a declaration that the contents of four books are included. My only dispute with your above description is that it is the first 12, not the first 11 chapters of The Mercenary, appended to Falkenberg's Legion. And in fact, the web site you used recognizes this. The text says 11 chapters, but the table below indicates 12. So "Falkenberg's Legion" in The Prince is composed of the text of West of Honor, the Prologue and 12 chapters of the text of The Mercenary, and a small amount of unique material. Bob 22:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

   As I read it Falkenberg's Legion has 1.The original prologue of The Mercenary 2.Two new chapters (chapt. 1-2) 3.The full text of West of Honor, including its original prologue (chapters 3-19) 4.A new prologue to the second part 5.The full text of The Mercenary (chapt. 1-22). Chapter 22 ends with "Falkenberg stood and raised his glass. They drank the toast while below them New Washington turned, and a hundred parsecs away Earth armed for her last battle." This is on my page 223 of Future History, should be on page 432 of Falkenbergs Legion (wrongly listed as page 352 in the table, but see the 'FL' entry itself) and page 610 of The Prince. In The Prince they have wedged Prince of Mercenaries between the first 11 and last 11 chapters of The Mercenary.--Dirk P Broer 23:16, 2 April 2017 (UTC) 
       O.K. except the first 12 chapters of The Mercenary are in Falkenberg's Legion and the last 10 chapters after the text of Prince of Mercenaries. It's not 11 and 11!!! Bob 23:46, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
           No, that is an error by Baen books, as explained on the website. 'Sword and Sceptre' is eleven chapters long. Chapter 12 (page 136 with me) starts with a citation from Crofton's Encyclopedia.--Dirk P Broer 00:27, 3 April 2017 (UTC) 
           Yes, and the chapter with that citation is the last chapter in "Falkenberg's Legion" in The Prince. "Sword and Sceptre" in The Prince (p.533) begins with a one page prologue containing quotes from "The Anatomy of Military Merit" and "The Strategy of Technology", then Chapter 1 begins, "Tanith / Heat beat down on sodden fields...". A Baen error? Could be, but that's the way the book reads. All I'm observing is material in the books I own. Bob 01:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
               And that is the first line of chapt. 13 of The Mercenary in 'Future History', so they have wedged Prince of Mercenaries between the first 12 and last 10 chapters of The Mercenary. They made a real mess out of the original sequence in order to improve the timeline....Main Baen error lies in printing "Prince of Mercenaries" above pages that contain the part 'Sword and Sceptre'.--Dirk P Broer 15:07, 3 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Duplicate title

Evidently you repeat title The Enchanted Mountain by Omar Rayyan pp 130 135. --Pwendt

Same for title On the Road same artist. --Pwendt

   Two illustrations with the same title. Fixed. I appreciate the information, but would appreciate it more if you would provide information directing me to the item I need to fix. Bob 20:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Soldiers

Added some notes to your verification of Soldiers. MLB 00:41, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

   Great, thanks! Bob 00:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Three-Cornered War

Added the LCCN and the ISBN to your verification of The Three-Cornered War. MLB 00:53, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks! Bob 00:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Publess Covert Art Records

Please check the following publess cover art records (created from variating interior art records):

   Is this the cover art to this pub?
   Is this the cover art to this pub? 

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

   Yes to both. I don't understand how this came about. Bob 18:35, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
       Both fixed. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC) 

Found another one:

   Is this the cover art to this pub? 

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:52, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

   Again, yes. Bob 19:03, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
       Also fixed. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:07, 5 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Menton 3 vs menton3

Please see Menton 3 and menton3. Could you please check the credits on these and see if they are actually the same in the pubs, but have been entered differently or whether a pseudonym needs to be established? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Also, could you verify if it is the same artist as this? If so, I will add the link to the canonical name. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

   Very interesting case. The name is given as follows: Spectrum 18 uses "Menton3" in the Artist Index, "Menton 3" in the text; Spectrum 20 uses "menton3" in the Artist Index, "MENTON 3" and "menton 3" in the two text uses; Spectrum 20 uses "menton3" in both artist index and text. All are the same artist shown in the website; some of the book artwork is shown on the website. Apparently, the artist uses the "3" as a superscript, but both his e-mail address and website address use "menton3", so I suggest using that as his canonical name. Bob 18:54, 6 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Bill Read

I have an edit on hold that would change the credit of this interior art and this essay from "Bill Read" to "Bill Read (artist)". Is there anything is that pub that would indicate the author and the artist are the same person? If not, I'll approve. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

   The Bill Read who wrote the essay about himself in that pub was still in high school in 1974, born in and living in Toronto. My guess would be he is NOT the same person as the author. Despite his enthusiasm for art at that time, I guess he didn't become a professional artist; there are a number of Bill Reads on the internet, but none of them seem to be him. Bob 21:34, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
       Thanks. Edits were approved. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [1].Don Erikson 21:37, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

   Thank you, Don! Bob 21:39, 22 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Stormlight Archive ISBN

Bob, your The Stormlight Archive submission had ISBN 978-0-795-3916-74, which got flagged as being invalid. I checked on Amazon, and they have 765 instead of 795, so I changed it. If that doesn't match the book, you might want to add a note. --MartyD 01:46, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks for fixing it. Another damn typo! Bob 02:08, 23 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Weinberg Tales

Hello, I've had to variant quite some of the items entered here. That should have been done by you and not by a moderator. Note also that I can't find the corresponding cover for this record. Can you check? Hauck 18:09, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

   I wish you had waited for me to finish entering the content. Then I would do the variants, as I do for virtually all the pubs I enter. I don't enter more content at one time because I've found that when I do that, I'm likely to lose part of the content and have to enter it a second time. Sometimes I begin finding merges and variants before I finish entering the contents, but not usually. It depends on how quickly the entries are approved. I prefer to do the variants of art myself when possible because then I can compare the content to be sure there isn't some error in the citation. Now I'll have to review your variants for the same reason. I don't understand why you were in such a hurry this time. Bob 20:07, 23 April 2017 (UTC) 
   Incidentally, the reason you couldn't find the cover is because the editors misidentified the artist. But comparing the artwork to the covers (and knowing the year from the caption), it was easy to correctly variant the illustration. Bob 21:49, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
       I wasn't in "such a hurry this time", as these records had the time to sit on a cleanup report, that's why I corrected them (it means that they were close to a day late). Don't worry, from now on I will no more touch your submissions and/or their results so you'll probably be best served. I also notice that I was right in spotting something fishy for the Schultz. On a parting note, this record and that one are still to be corrected. Hauck 06:15, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
           Sorry you're upset. The contents for this pub were long enough it took three batches to get all the content entered. And I do have other things to do that limit how long I can spend on line. More importantly, I don't see that the two entries you flagged need further correction. The entries are as given in the pub, the variants correct the information. What needs to be done? Bob 14:21, 24 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Davids Kyle

Your two submissions I have on hold would make interiorart by David L. Kyle variants of coverart by David A. Kyle. Is that correct? There's no pseudonym relationship between the two, so I wanted to be sure. Thanks. --MartyD 02:11, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

   Marty, I don't even know where those came from! Corrected. Thank you! Bob 17:46, 26 April 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] "HPL", "A Tribute ..."

I added a month of publication and notes about that date and about the LCCN to your verified publication. I also added the second sentence on your first note. Chavey 13:16, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

   Interesting. Thanks for letting me know. Bob 14:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Star Courier

Star Courier: Updated notes to change "Cover art is credited to Feibush on the copyright page" to "Cover art is credited on the copyright page". The problem was the stated credit is "Ray Feibush". I thought about changing the note to be "Cover art is credited to Ray Feibush on the copyright page" but figured as the credit is spelled out directly above the notes that the full name was not needed. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:13, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

   Good choice! Thank you. Bob 17:40, 12 May 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Stardragons

I added the "artist's notes" to the contents of The Stardragons. --Willem 20:10, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

   Good idea! Thank you. Bob 00:16, 18 May 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] "A Gnome There Was", by Lewis Padgett

I added 1 1/2 notes to your verified publication -- the second sentence of note #2, and note #3. Chavey 20:33, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

   Cool! Thanks. Bob 23:12, 23 May 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] "The Stormlight Archive: A Pocket Companion ...", by Brandon Sanderson

In the notes to your verified publication you commented on the "copious illustrations", and said that they were uncredited. The eBook edition does, at the very end, credit the two artists responsible, so I have added those two as InteriorArt content items to your book. Chavey 16:56, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks. It's interesting that these same two artists are also credited with the illustrations in Sanderson's Arcanum Unbounded, both the U.S. and U.K. hardcovers. Bob 19:27, 24 May 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [2].Don Erikson 23:32, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

   Thank you! Bob 18:14, 30 May 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment

Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.

Firstly, there's Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural (verified copies: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:

   "Taboo" by Geoffrey Household - An eastern European community is terrorized by a series of murders. The mystery is solved, but the terror, and other psychological effects, linger on. Non-supernatural - Stories for the Dead of Night; The Penguin Book of Horror Stories; The Dark of the Soul; The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories; Stories for the Dead of Night; Griezelverhalen 2; Van Lichtelijk Luguber tot Meedogenloos Macaber
   "A Rose for Emily" by William Faulkner - SUMMARY - Fireside Reader; Classic Tales of Horror and the Supernatural; The Dark Descent; The Dark Descent; The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural; The Arbor House Treasury of Horror and the Supernatural; The Lucifer Society; The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories; The Medusa in the Shield; The Giant Book of Horror Stories; The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales; American Gothic Tales; American Gothic Tales; The Golden Argosy; Vóór Middernacht: De Beste Griezelverhalen
   "A Terribly Strange Bed" by Wilkie Collins - SUMMARY - Tales of Terror and the Supernatural; Tales of Terror and the Supernatural; Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales; Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales; Tales of Terror and Suspense; Tales of Terror and Suspense; Nightfrights; Nightfrights; Fireside Reader; Adventure Stories for Girls; Horror by Lamplight; The Wordsworth Book of Horror Stories; Mad Monkton and Other Stories; Fireside Reader; Masterpieces of Mystery in Four Volumes; In the Grip of Terror; Van Edgar Allan Poe tot Roald Dahl
   "The Three Strangers" by Thomas Hardy - SUMMARY - The Golden Argosy; Tellers of Tales
   "Leiningen Versus the Ants" by Carl Stephenson - A lurid and much exaggerated account of army ants, but not intended to be taken as speculative, I feel sure - The Penguin Book of Horror Stories; The Second Pan Book of Horror Stories; The Big Book of Adventure Stories
   "The Most Dangerous Game" by Richard Connell -SUMMARY - Early September; Psychos; The Ghouls; The Ghouls; Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbinders in Suspense; Stories and Storytellers; Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade; Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade; The Big Book of Adventure Stories; Verhalen die Hitchcock Koos
   "Lamb to the Slaughter" by Roald Dahl - SUMMARY - Someone Like You (Dell); Lamb to the Slaughter and Other Stories; Tales of the Unexpected; Someone Like You (Livre de Poche); Rakkaani, kyyhkyläiseni / Joku kaltaisesi; Lammkeule und andere Geschichten; M'n Liefje, M'n Duifje
   "Contents of the Dead Man's Pockets" by Jack Finney - SUMMARY - The Third Level; The Clock of Time; The Clock of Time; Stories of Suspense; Stories of Suspense; The Pan Book of Horror Stories; The First Pan Book of Horror Stories; Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade; Night in Funland and Other Stories from Literary Cavalcade; Griezelverhalen 2
   "Two Bottles of Relish" by Lord Dunsany - One of Dunsany's few non-speculative crime stories. SUMMARY - In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales; In the Land of Time and Other Fantasy Tales; Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark; Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark; Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark; Horror Stories from Tales to Be Told in the Dark; The Unexpected; Death; Masterpieces of Horror; Owls' Watch; Tall Short Stories; Stories of Suspense; Stories of Suspense; The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories; Stories for the Dead of Night; Stories for the Dead of Night; The Penguin Book of Horror Stories; Nacht en Ontij
   "A Note for the Milkman" by Sidney Carroll - SUMMARY - The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Timeless Stories for Today and Tomorrow; Nacht en Ontij
   "The Cone" by H. G. Wells - SUMMARY - Tales of Life and Adventure; Tales of Life and Adventure; Tales of Life and Adventure; A Harvest of Horrors; The Time Machine: An Invention and Other Stories; Human and Inhuman Stories; Human and Inhuman Stories; Human and Inhuman Stories; Selected Short Stories of H. G. Wells; Selected Short Stories; Selected Short Stories; Selected Short Stories; Complete Short Story Omnibus; The Cone; Works of H. G. Wells; The Country of the Blind and Other Selected Stories; The Third Pan Book of Horror Stories; Der gestohlene Bazillus und andere Geschichten
   "The Lodger" by Marie Belloc Lowndes - SUMMARY - Jack the Knife; Red Jack; Tales of Terror and Suspense; Tales of Terror and Suspense
   "The Terrapin" by Patricia Highsmith - SUMMARY - The Penguin Book of Horror Stories; The Twelfth Pan Book of Horror Stories 

Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? Vasha 15:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

   No problem here. Bob 18:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
       Discussion has been moved to the Community Portal. --Vasha 00:57, 31 May 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Muse of Music

Your clone of The Muse of Music had to be hard rejected. One of the titles being cloned is no longer in the database. I believe because you submitted a merge for one of the titles. You will need to re-clone. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

   Thanks for letting me know. I'll take care of it. Bob 04:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Possible Typos 06-05

Here are some possible typos in your verified pubs:

   Keeeper - Keeeper of the Gryphons - in Escape
   characature - Terry Pratchett Characature - in A Cosmic Cornucopia
   compostion - "A master of dynamic compostion and action, ..." - in Revolution: The Art of Jon Foster
   fanasy - Collecting Fanasy Art 6: An Art Porpouri (essay) - in Weinberg Tales
   fanasy - Collecting Fanasy Art 6: An Art Porpouri (art) - in Weinberg Tales
   geneology - Some Barrayaran Geneology - in Shards of Honor
   persistance - Persistance of Vision - in Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe
   privalege - "I consider it a privalege to have the ... - in Revolution: The Art of Jon Foster
   vacinity - Kill Before Dying (map of the vacinity of Sol) - in Kill Before Dying 

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:27, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

   Much appreciated!! Fixed. Bob 18:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Riverside Quarterly, June 1966

Hi Bob. In your verified above you've got the cover artist as Norris Scott Dollens. Are you sure it's not written "Morris Scott Dollens". If not, it needs a pseudonym and variant. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 19:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

   Good catch! Thank you. Fixed. Bob 23:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Fall of Kings

As per Amazon's Look Inside I have changed the spelling of Conn Iggulden's first name from "Con" to the canonical "Conn" in your verified Fall of Kings. I assume it was a typo. Ahasuerus 19:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

   Yeah, another one. Thank you! Bob 23:51, 7 June 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Timoth(y) Robert Sullivan

Hi, Bob, could you check this author? If it's not a typo, is it possible that he's the Timothy, we have already in the database? Thanks, Stonecreek 09:03, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

   Typo, fixed. Thanks! Bob 15:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Sundiver

Sundiver had the  Sundiver • (1980) • interior artwork on page "bc" which is the back cover. The record already had a note "Wrap around cover art, not attributed." and so with that in mind I changed the page number to bp which is the code for preliminary matter. All of the other publications list the drawing as being on bp and use the same wraparound artwork as the printing you verified. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:35, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

   Seems good to me. Thanks! Bob 15:04, 13 June 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] Interior art by "J. R. R. Tolkein"

In your verified West of the Mountains, East of the Sea you have the map on p. 10 listed as by "J. R. R. Tolkein". My guess is that this is a typo of ""J. R. R. Tolkien" and should be corrected, but if it was really spelled that way, then it would need an alias set up. Chavey 00:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

   Typo. Fixed. Thank you! Bob 21:02, 16 June 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] The Demolished Man

By signature, the cover artist of this is Gerard Quinn, not Gerard Sims. Thanks. Horzel 12:45, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

   Fixed. Thanks. Bob 21:05, 16 June 2017 (UTC) 

[edit] External Identifiers

When adding external identifiers (OCLC, LCCN, etc.), they should no longer go into the notes field, but now into the new External Identifiers field on the publication editing screen. Select the specific type from the pull down, and just enter the number. The software makes the link automatically. If you have more than one, just the "Add External ID" button. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

   Oh! O.K. Thanks. Bob 10:45, 21 June 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Star Surgeon

Replaced the Cover Art of Star Surgeon as my copy shows the price. --AndyjMo 12:26, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

   Cool! Bob 12:54, 22 June 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Wonderworks

Hi! Is it real that the same essay 'Aliens' appears twice in the same pub on the same page 102? See here. --Zapp 06:54, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

   Good catch. That was weird! Bob 15:40, 23 June 2017 (EDT) 
       We have two separate essays - here and here. Which explains how you had two in one pub - both of those were imported. Should they be merged? Annie 15:45, 23 June 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] CreateSpace

I may be telling you something you already know... but according to discussions here and here, CreateSpace isn't a publisher, but rather a printing and production service (a subsidiary of Amazon, which is probably why they insist on naming it in the "publisher" space on their pages). So we don't list it as a publisher here. Therefore, I'd like to change all of your verified publications that list it -- Drysine Legacy, Renegade, and maybe others I haven't found yet. Thanks! --Vasha 18:06, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

   Please feel free to change them. Who becomes the publisher then, the author? Bob 18:11, 23 June 2017 (EDT) 
       Well, for the moment at least, we are leaving a blank space if there is no publisher listed inside (if it just says "Copyright [Author Name]" for example). Sometimes it does say "Published by [Name]", in which case it's clear we should list that. --Vasha 19:31, 23 June 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe


Do you mind checking your copy of Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe and check if the two pictures on pages 38 and 39 ("Rhino Armour 1)" and "Rhino Armour 2)" really have a closing bracket but no opening ones? Thanks!Annie 20:49, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

   The brackets are around the entire title, not just the numbers, as (Rhino Armour 2) and (Rhino Armour 1). Fixed. Bob 14:49, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
       Thanks, Bob! Annie 15:30, 4 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] David Peterson

Please see this conversation. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:16, 4 July 2017 (EDT) [edit] Sky Castle of Quandar

Hi Bob. I stumbled onto your verified issues of Diversifier 1, 2 & 3, specifically the serial Sky Castle of Quandar. You show the title as THE Castle of Quandar for Part 1, and then SKY Castle of Quandar in parts 2 and 3. Is that really how it is? And then, strangely, the same serial name is used in 3 issues of Astral Dimensions (but all using "Sky" (unverified) two years later and are showing up as dupes for Clingan. Do you have any idea if they are identical? Cheers, Doug / Vornoff 01:29, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

   THE Castle was an error, it too should have been SKY Castle. Fixed, although it may need to be merged when approved. I don't know if the two serials are the same, but suspect they probably are. Bob 08:47, 6 July 2017 (EDT)
       I just ordered three issues of Astral Projections, including those with the serial and will be able to determine is the stories are the same when they arrive! Love those fanzines! Bob 09:03, 6 July 2017 (EDT)
           Very nice! You are indeed the King of Fanzines! I only wish I'd been more aware of them in my youth and grabbed every one I could. Opportunities lost! Doug / Vornoff 00:43, 7 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Bolo!

Removed reference to number line, moved external identifier.--Dirk P Broer 09:24, 8 July 2017 (EDT) [edit] The Demons of the Upper Air

Hi, Bob. Well, I've opened up a can of worms with this one. I added Leaves, Winter 1938, and one of the entries (which is not in my entry as of yet) is the poem "The Demons of the Upper Air" by Fritz Leiber, Jr. It's a short poem which can be found online here. Here's the tricky part. You've verified a Leiber collection with the same title here and give the contents as separate poems listed with Roman numerals and giving the first line of each. Each of these lines corresponds with the lines of each of the stanzas of the 1938 poem, which appears to me to be a single work of 8 parts. Also your entry is not connected with the other "The Demons of the Upper Air" titles here but there is a note saying it was "first published as a booklet by Roy A. Squires (1969)" (which is your entry). If the 1938 poem is the same as your entry, then the note is wrong and should be changed, the collection is, what, a chapbook of one poem? and they should all be hooked together. So, wow, what do you think? I'm holding off on adding this to "Leaves" until I hear from you. Sorry about adding confusion to your life. Doug / Vornoff 18:30, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

   Interesting. It does appear to be a single poem, even though Roy Squires refers in the back of the chapbook to "These poems...". I've changed the pub to a chapbook. In Fritz Leiber: A Bibliography 1934-1979, the author notes on p. 7, "This is a very slim booklet containing one twelve-page poem split into eight sections, one of which (under the same title) appeared n Fantasy & Science Fiction, July 1969. This was apparently the fragment numbered "iix". I varianted that section to the F&SF poem, but I'm not confident that was the right decision. If you wish, you can remove the contents of the chapbook and list the single poem, if you think that's the better decision. The problem is relating the chapbook to the complete poem published elsewhere. Bob 19:54, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
       I was leaning strongly toward the one-poem with parts scenario until I found and read this, written by Leiber himself in your verified Fritz Leiber and H.P. Lovecraft: Writers of the Dark: (p.293) "He asked to see my own writing, none of it published, as soon as I told him about it. I sent him a long fantasy and a set of poems, "The Demons of the Upper Air." Also, on p.314 "...I not only completed some Lovecraftian poems ("The Demons of the Upper Air")..." So, talk about right from the horse's mouth. I also read the poems and they are each different enough to not be the same poem. The chapbook would only be correct if there were ONE poem (if I'm reading the instructions right), not multiples like exist now. What to do? Don't know if this is feasible but what if the Squires reverts to being a COLLECTION entitled "The Demons of the Upper Air" with the parts like they were before. That way the titles in the other books could be changed to COLLECTION instead of POEM and all the individual poems would have to be added and merged/varianted. I would add these to Leaves #2 as well. Problem with this is one would have to get all the others on board with this. That's RTrace, WillemH, Bluesman and you. Of course they might have other ideas, too. Should we ask them to join here and get their input? Doug / Vornoff 00:29, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
           Those quotes from Leiber do indeed suggest he meant these to be separate poems, and I think that trumps the quote in the bibliography. I think your solution sounds like the most rational. But I also think we should solicit input from the other three contributors. Meanwhile, I'll go ahead and reverse the changes I made to the chapbook. Bob 12:39, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
               Sorry to have dragged you into this, Bob, especially when it looks like you were right all along! I will notify the others. Doug / Vornoff 16:03, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
                   No problem, Doug. This sort of stuff is what makes the ISFDB so interesting for me. Bob 19:07, 13 July 2017 (EDT) 
                       In Strange Wonders it is presented as a single poem with 8 chapters. From Benjamin Szumsky's introduction: "The Demons of the Upper Air" is in eight sections, it veers between passages of free verse and passages of loosely rendered formalist verse, giving several perspectives on the eponymous demons, some from their own perspective. It is a detailed account of the bond shared between demons and humanity, fear, and the double-nature of all things., which also points to a single poem. However, it is identical to the booklet version according to the copyright page, so whatever the decision is, they should all be the same in the database. I would personally go for the single poem solution. --Willem 05:49, 15 July 2017 (EDT) 
                           The appearance in Weird Tales is described in "The Eyrie" as a "poetry cycle" and continues to refer to them as separate poems including a description of the first publication in the 1969 Fritz Leiber issue of F&SF as a publication of the "title poem". I probably lean towards keeping it as a single poem despite these descriptions. With the exception of that issue of F&SF, I don't think it's ever been partially published. If we do decide to make them separate title records for each poem in the cycle, I do think the titling is incorrect. It seems to be a hybrid of the Roman numeral which could be argued is the title and the quoted first line of the poem which is only supposed to be used when there is no title present. We should pick one, or the other. In either case, the poems should undoubtedly be put into a title series and numbered accordingly. Keeping the entire cycle as a single title record avoids this naming problem, which is one of the reasons I would prefer it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:07, 15 July 2017 (EDT) 

To further confuse the matter, in Witches of the Mind: A Critical Study of Fritz Leiber, Bruce Byfield reports that "Leiber sent Lovecraft the poetic sequence Demons of the Upper Air" on p. 11, and in Fritz Lieber: A Working Bibliography Demons of the Upper Air appears as a single poem. One other point: in Writers of the Dark, the poem or poem sequence is said to be taken from Leaves, Winter 1938-39, not from the chapbook. That publication is not in the ISFDB database. It seems likely that if the poem/sequence appeared earlier than the chapbook, it could not have been exactly the same as later versions. According to Witches of the Mind, Lovecraft suggested changes to the fifth and sixth poems which appear in all copies of the verses I have, including those in Writers of the Dark which are purported to come from a pre-Lovecraft-comments publication. I'm curious whether the poem that appeared in late 1938 was the whole sequence or a single part of that sequence. Bob 14:28, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

   To explain, Leaves, Winter is in ISFDB in the first link above. I had added the single poem Demons of the Upper Air originally but Annie opted it out because I mistakenly added the COLLECTION instead of the POEM and there were other questions. So I've been waiting to add it in after this discussion concludes, which way I don't know yet. But...the second link I added above takes you to what looks like a copy of Leiber's "Writers of the Dark" on Google where it has all of the 8 poems/parts and they're labeled I thru VIII (not IIX for #8)?? At the end it states "Leaves, 1938" (appears that's the first publication, not the Squires chapbook but whether it really has all the parts, I can't know). I would guess that the "IIX" comes from some mix-up in the Squires edition and that the others, including Leaves, show VIII, but I'm not sure. As to which it should be, I will abide by whatever the rest of you want to do, and will add it to Leaves accordingly. Doug / Vornoff 20:29, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
       Ah, thanks! I've noticed that some versions do use viii instead of iix for the last poem. I suspect the iix was Leiber's label, but who knows? It was used for the Weird Tales single poem, according to the entry. Since you have the Leaves, can you see if the fifth and sixth poems in the series match those in Writers of the Dark? The differences would be in the third from last line in the fifth poem and in the 13th line of the sixth poem. Bob 15:16, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
           I don't have Leaves, Bob. I've been entering the data from and they list only the main title. I'm assuming that they are as shown here on where they show the whole poem as entered in Leiber's Writers of the Dark with an accreditation to Leaves at the end. So, bottom line, I can't be sure how the individual poems were titled there and I'm not sure we'll ever see that particular issue's actual contents. Doug / Vornoff 17:22, 17 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Astral Dimensions #3, Spring 1976

I accepted Astral Dimensions #3, Spring 1976 but have a few notes:

   I wonder if one of the reviews (Pyramid Books The Shadow Series (11 books)) should not be converted to an essay - we cannot connect it (because it is to a full series)
   "Oracle of the Griffin" and "IV Word" appear in both issues 2 and #3 so they look like columns. I suspect we may want to disambiguate them
   Is the serialization of "Sky Castle of Quandar" the same as in Diversifier? Do we want to merge them or are they different so we just need a variant?
   A few other reviews need to be connected but you already know that anyway :) 

Thanks! Annie 20:38, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

   Thank you for your careful review of this submission. I knew I had a lot of work to do on the submission, but more was needed than I thought! I actually bought the copies of this chapbook specifically because I wanted to see if the "Sky Castle of Quandar" was the same in the two series of chapbooks. They are the same, although there has been some editing since the first appearance (really very minor). Anyhow, I appreciate your comments. Bob 18:07, 14 July 2017 (EDT) 
       So that is the next stage - buying a magazine just to compare some text... I was wondering where all that cataloging madness is going to lead me... :) 
       All pending updates are approved - if you want to give the whole thing one more look over for anything that seems not to look as it should. Annie 18:54, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
           I intend to do that, following that many changes. And yeah, but I'm a fanzine freak, and Astral Dimensions was a new one for me. So when Doug asked about "Sky Castle of Quandar" (see a couple of entries above), I went looking for the 'zine. I could only find two (there was a third one advertised, but it turned out the seller couldn't find it), so I'll be looking for others for a while. Bob 21:16, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
               Good job, Bob - above and beyond the call :) but in Astral Dimensions #4, you've got both parts 2 and 3 of the serial in the same issue on the same page??? Doug / Vornoff 21:48, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
                   Unfortunately, that issue eluded me. It was advertised, but the seller could not find it. So whoever entered the 'zines in the first place apparently got it wrong. I'll keep chasing that issue, indeed all the other 4 issues. Bob 22:03, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
                       Ahh, I see. Sometimes the hunt is more fun than finally acquiring the goal. Good luck with that. Doug / Vornoff 23:09, 14 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Linking reviews

Hello, just in case, (to paraphrase what Annie said above) remember that all the "unlinked" reviews in this issue and in that one should either be linked to an existing title (e.g. Thonger and the Dragon City is likely a typo), linked to a title created for this purpose (if it falls into our ROA) or changed into ESSAYs (like the reviews for whole cycles). Thanks. Hauck 02:23, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

   Dirk went through and linked up several reviews. In doing that, he submitted a spelling change (Dorgn -> Dorgan) in this. It looked like a typo, so I let it through. If it's not correct, let me know and I'll restore it. --MartyD 06:27, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
       Note also that you used HTML tags in the title "Pyramid Books The Shadow Series (11 books)", this is not allowed. Hauck 09:10, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
           The Dorgn was indeed a typo, so I appreciate the fix. I changed the series review to an essay. Thanks for the comments, guys. Bob 18:10, 14 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] The Fanscient, #6 Winter 1949

Added a note to your verified The Fanscient, #6 Winter 1949 regarding the volume/issue number.SFJuggler 16:55, 16 July 2017 (EDT) [edit] br tags

Hi Bob,

There is no need to add
tags between separate lines in the notes field anymore :) If you want one at the start to start the note on the next line, you still need one. If you need an empty line between sections of the note, you need 2 of them. But just for a new line, no need to have one anymore - the keyboard new line will do the trick. I removed the one from here - it does not change the display but not having it makes it easier to be edited downstream and less likely someone to mess up the line. Thanks! Annie 19:21, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

   Great! That makes things a lot easier. Bob 20:41, 17 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Chris Mahler and Chris Marler

Hi Bob,

Can you pull those issues of Astral Dimensions out and do a bit of a name check: We have quite a lot of entries for Chris Mahler and quite a lot for Chris Marler, both of them associated with the same fanzine. Are they indeed two different guys (and if so, can we make sure that the split in who had written what is correct. If they are the same guy, I can merge them (will save everyone a tone of updates - I just need to know which one is the correct one) but if they are not, can we make sure the correct items are assigned to the correct Chris? Thanks! Annie 19:29, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

   How embarrassing. Somehow I got in my head that the right name was Mahler, instead of Marler, and I used it repeatedly. Thank you so much for catching this one! Fixed. Bob 21:28, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
       All approved. :) For future references, moderators can merge authors so I could have done that with one submission. Annie 21:39, 17 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] "Northwest of Earth", by C. L. Moore

I corrected a story title in your verified edition of this book. The first story was listed by us as "Dust of the Gods", but was actually "Dust of Gods" in both the Table of Contents and at the story title page. I corrected that listing. Chavey 03:05, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

   Thank you. Bob 12:12, 18 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] One Good Soldier

The notes for [this] look like yours, did you forget to verify it? Or am I going dotty ..... --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:44, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

   Sure did. Thanks, Bill. Bob 19:28, 20 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Conan: Broadsword Legacy Collection

Hi Bob,

I merged pretty much all entries in Conan: Broadsword Legacy Collection to their original names and disambiguated the Introduction (So someone does not merge it with other uncredited ones) :) Let me know if you see any issues. PS: Would not it be easier to just import those after the book is added instead of typing all those titles? :) Annie 20:08, 20 July 2017 (EDT)

   Thank you! I suppose it would be, but somehow I never do things the easy way. In the past, I've sometimes not only entered the individual stories, but looked up the dates and story lengths as I entered them. At least I didn't do that this time. Bob 20:23, 20 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] "A Tale of the Older/Elder Gods", in Fanscient, #7 Spring 1949

You verified the 1949 Fanscient #7 as containing "A Tale of the Older Gods", by George Wetzel, and I can verify through other sources that you did not err in the name of that title. Wetzel's ISFDB bibliography includes another story titled "A Tale of the Elder Gods". That story is also listed as being published in 1949, although we have no publication listed for it prior to 1978. That makes it look as if "... Elder Gods" is a variant of "... Older Gods". Of course if it is a variant, we should list them that way. However, one of the publications of "... Elder Gods" claims that it was first published in 1978, which would imply that it's a different story by the same author. If this is the case, then we should list the second title as being from 1978, not 1949 (and probably add a title note). That second story is available online here. Could you compare this story with the one in Fanscient #7 and resolve which kind of error we have made? Thanks much, Chavey 17:31, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

   Glad to oblige. It is the same story, so go ahead and variant the second story. Nice find! Bob 20:01, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
       Done! Thanks for the help! Chavey 20:11, 22 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Magic Mountain in Chelsey Awards Retrospective

Could I get you to double check the name of the artists of Magic Mountain in The Chesley Awards for Science Fiction and Fantasy Art: A Retrospective. The award listing in the isfadb credits the artists as "Butch & Susan Honeck" and I suspect that Susan's name is misspelled in our records. I've also noticed a general issue with the title records in this book. It appears that many of them have been entered with the date of composition rather than the date of first publication. The record for Magic Mountain is a good example of this. While the work was probably created and displayed in 1987, I doubt that it was published until it appeared in this collection in 2003. I've encountered many of these while working on our records for the Chelseys and I've corrected them as I've found them. There may be others that I haven't found. I'm leaving this same note on the other verifier's pages. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:17, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

   Ron, Sarah's last name was indeed misspelled, so I corrected it. I don't know about the dates. Many of the artworks are of course cover art or interiorart and the dates given in the pub reflect those dates. I agree that the 3-dimensional art like "Magic Mountain" probably never appeared in print before the pub. I would expect that entries that are not merged or varianted to other content probably should have the 2003 date. Bob 20:18, 22 July 2017 (EDT)
       Thanks Bob. I completely agree about the the cover art and previously published interiors. Where I've corrected the dates is for works which were nominated or won one of the unpublished awards (color and monochrome). The three dimensional award can probably be assumed to be unpublished by definition. In all these cases, I've updated the date on the title record to match the earliest publication that we have on file. My guess is that the Chesley book probably notes the composition date and whoever entered the content, went with that date. I just ordered a copy of this book myself, mainly to see if they have any more information on the Cheseleys that the isfadb lacks. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:07, 22 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] "The Law of Gravity Isn't Working on Rainbow Bridge", by Jack McDevitt

I added a note (the last one) to your verified publication, and added it to the publication series for Eeriecon Chapbooks. Chavey 22:25, 22 July 2017 (EDT)

   Interesting! Thanks for letting me know. Bob 13:48, 23 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] The Alluring Art of Margaret Brundage

In your verified publication, the cover image shows the subtitle as "Queen of Pulp Pin-Up Art" but you have it in the database as "Queen of THE Pulp Pin-Up Art." Is that correct? --Vasha 16:50, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

   Good catch! Fixed. Bob 20:26, 28 July 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] publication type for essay collection

Hi, you have the essay collection Savage Scrolls, Volume One down as type COLLECTION, but the help page says "NONFICTION. This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction. This includes book-length works of non-fiction or books containing essays by one or more authors. " FYI! --Vasha 19:32, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

   I agree, and have changed the title to NONFICTION. I'll change the pub when the title change is accepted. Thanks for catching this. Bob 19:58, 7 August 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Conan the Barbarian

Hi Bob. I accepted Conan the Barbarian, but I changed the publisher credit from Ulwenereutz Media to Ulwencreutz Media based on the info @ (Ulwenereutz was flagged as an unknown publisher, so I checked up on it). --MartyD 22:14, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

   Thanks, Marty. Appreciate it. Bob 01:10, 8 August 2017 (EDT) 

[edit] Whiskabroom / Whiskaboom

Hello, a new contributor wish to change the title of this short story from Whiskabroom to Whiskaboom. I've asked him/her to contact you but nothing yet. As his/her claim is based on this, it seems quite correct to me. As the other active PV is in Finland for the Worldcon, can you have a look at your copy to confirm it? Thanks. Hauck 03:03, 11 August 2017 (EDT)

   The new contributor is absolutely correct! Good catch! Bob 12:35, 11 August 2017 (EDT)
       Ok, I'm going to set things straight. Hauck 13:09, 11 August 2017 (EDT)