User talk:SFJuggler/Archive/2014

Asimov's Frontiers

Submission to update this record was accepted, but I'm wondering about the change in the publisher field. If "Truman Talley Books" is given as the imprint and if "Dutton" is indicated on the title page as the publisher, it should be entered as "Truman Talley Books / Dutton". (Note the spaces surrounding the slash.)

Also, I'm wondering if the effort you're taking to link to all of the OCLC records is of any material value. If you're going to do a primary verification of this record (which I assume you will), then there's really no need to link to the OCLC record at all. Especially in a case like this, when an ISFDB record with an ISBN is automatically linked to the OCLC through the "Other Websites" list. The reason why some editors do this is to provide a link to the secondary source for the data. Can you see any further benefits in adding links to six different OCLC records? (There's always a possibility that some OCLC entry clerk will eventually combine these into one record, leaving broken links in the ISFDB record.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:37, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

I'll make the changes surrounding the slash (unless I see that you've already done it). As for the OCLC links...that's just "documenting the hell out of it". Something that some editor (hichens or hutchins or something like that) said a year or so ago that you should do. ;) No. I don't have to list them all and it's easier to list only a single one.SFJuggler 05:47, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Frontispiece entry format

Frontispieces should be entered in the format "Title of Work (frontispiece)". I've corrected the title field of this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:43, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

D'oh! Thanks.03:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Seven Conquests

Are you certain that that's a catalog number on this publication? It's rare that hardcovers have catalog numbers pre-ISBN era. If you're certain that it is a catalog number, it should be preceded by "#". Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:18, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I could only find one record which gives a catalog number on a 1969 Macmillan hardcover: here, and it's also suspect. The two numbers have no connection to each other, unless Macmillan published 12000 titles in the 7 months between these two books. Mhhutchins 06:22, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

They're not necessarily be consecutive and, indeed, may not be catalog numbers. Ones I have to hand immediately are 7 Conquests (50191, 1969); Good Neighbors and Other Strangers (59467, 1972); The Bridge of Lions (61181, 1963) and U.S. on the Moon (62099, 1969). If you don't want to use it as a catalog number, that's fine. It's an identifier of some sort, though.SFJuggler 06:38, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

An identifier isn't necessarily a catalog number, unless the publisher actually used it in their catalogs. If they're not consecutive, I can't imagine how the publisher used the number. It may be a code used only by the publisher for its own purposes, especially if it only appeared on the dustjacket. I have no objection to recording the number in the Note field. If you feel strongly that it should be recorded in the ISBN/Catalog # field, please start a discussion on one of the community pages to get a group consensus. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:08, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Removed.SFJuggler 15:42, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Homeward and Beyond

I accepted the submission adding notes and changing the page count field of this record, but am unsure why the foreword's page field is bracketed. Neither the OCLC record nor the LCCN mention any roman-numeraled pages. If these pages are not numbered, they should be entered as Arabic numbers, e.g. "[8]+204", if the only reason is to give a starting page for the foreword. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

They may not mention it but the copy in my hands has "Foreword/viii" on the upper right-hand corner of the page facing the TOC. The Foreword starts on the previous page which has no page number making it [vii].SFJuggler 05:15, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

In that case, there shouldn't be brackets around the page number of the foreword. The standards explain that the editor can extrapolate page numbers by going forward or backward to the closest numbered page. Brackets are only used for sections of unnumbered pages. Since we can extrapolate that the previous eight pages were roman-numeraled, we can assign those page numbers to the contents without brackets. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:15, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Before I make the change...page viii is the only page explicitly numbered, vii is not. Change or no?07:22, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, please change to vii, you may add the note that page viii is the only page (of the preceding pages) explicitly numbered, if you like. Stonecreek 10:12, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Will submit change.SFJuggler 15:44, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Wells' Joan and Peter

Can you confirm whether the publisher as stated on the title page of this book is "The Macmillan Company"? That is the ISFDB designation for the US division of this publisher for at least the first half of the 20th century. The UK division was "Macmillan and Co." I'm trying to move titles away from the simpler "Macmillan" which came into more common use around the 1960s. Thanks for checking and adjust the record if necessary. Mhhutchins 22:26, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it is "The Macmillan Company." Change submitted.SFJuggler 05:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

"A Novel"

Re this publication: it was established several years ago that the ISFDB doesn't consider "A Novel" as a subtitle and that it shouldn't be part of the title. I'll look to see if it was documented and get back with you. Mhhutchins 05:52, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Noted. Title change submission cancelled.SFJuggler 06:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Of course, I can't find any documentation for the standard, but it arose from a discussion about how every other book in the database would be designated "A Novel". You're encouraged to use it in a publication record when it's something like "A Novel of Terror" or "A Novel of the Future", but not in the title record, similar to how it's allowable to enter series data in the title field of the publication (if given on a book's title page), but not in its title record. Thanks again. Mhhutchins 06:15, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

A similar case is to be made for Knave & the Game, I think. Also, you gave an exact day, while referring only to a late July printing in the notes. So what is your source for that exact date? Stonecreek 14:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

The LOC and OCLC use the subtitle and many of the collections in ISFDB use similar subtitles (see here, here, here and here for a few examples. As for the printing date vs. the publication date...the printing date can only be pinned down to the week per ISFDB Gutter Codes while the publication date comes from the LOC Catalog of Copyright, entry TX0002147196. The Catalog of Copyright entry is considered the final word for the courts as to when something was published and what is in and out of copyright so I figure it's good enough for ISFDB use. I've been using it for some time and it has been accepted for all entries. If there's a problem with it please let me know.SFJuggler 02:56, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about the mysteries of the gutter code, I really was ignorant on that field :-). But I removed the subtitle: 'A Collection of Short Stories' really is redundant (just as 'A Novel'), considering the structure of our database, whereas two of the examples you cited ('... about Christmas' and '... from the Golden Age') are not. They tell something about the contents, not the form. The third is in fact superfluous, and I'll remove it (thanks for the link).

In addition, in cases such as this one (changing metadata of a primary verified record), there really should be a discussion with the verifier(s) even before submitting. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 09:55, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay.SFJuggler 16:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Uncredited cover art

I've removed the cover art credited to "uncredited" in this record. The field for cover art should remain blank if the cover art is not credited in the publication. If there is a secondary source for the credit, that credit can be used in the record. Otherwise, editors are tempted to variant the "uncredited" record to the sourced credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:23, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay.SFJuggler 23:25, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Publication dates

Re this record: If a month of publication is stated in the actual publication, you should use that in the Date field of the record. You can record the actual date from a secondary source in the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:26, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay.SFJuggler 19:52, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Take Back Plenty

If something isn't stated in the pub, you should make that clear in the Note field. In this record, it should be noted that "First Hardcover Edition" isn't stated in the pub. (I usually just add the parenthetical "but not stated" to the note.) Thanks. Mhhutchins

The Hour of the Thin Ox

Oddly, the OCLC record you link to this record gives the page count as "[304]" and a different publication year. Perhaps it would be better to link it to this OCLC record which matches your copy's date and page count. (I saw that the OCLC record was already part of the record when you updated it, but without a link.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

I assumed the number was good. Bad me. New link submitted.SFJuggler 05:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Sun Moon Star

I've added the requisite SHORTFICTION content record to this publication record. Keep that in mind when creating CHAPTERBOOK records. I also moved the synopsis from the CHAPTERBOOK title record to the SHORTFICTION title record, per ISFDB standards. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:46, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!SFJuggler 03:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Isaac Asimov's Practical

In your verified Still More Lecherous Limericks, there are two poems titled "Practical" (p.27 and p.87). Would you mind checking that this is correct and, if so, adding a notes to the title records (one and two) that these are different poems? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

This is correct. There are two poems with the same name. Notes have been submitted.SFJuggler 05:37, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

The note you added to this title probably needs to be clarified. Since this is a title record, the publication you reference should be named, in case it appears in another publication. Or even better, just say "differs from another poem with the same name." Mhhutchins 05:44, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

And that would apply to the other same-titled poem's note field. Mhhutchins 05:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Changed submitted.SFJuggler 05:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Pangborn's West of the Sun

Have replaced the cover image for your verified first edition of West of the Sun with a much better scan. I also noticed you credited the cover art to Richard Powers when the book states "Dick Powers". This is already one of Powers' pseudonyms, and it needs to be credited as per the publication. Thanks. PeteYoung 12:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Conklin's "The Best of Science Fiction"

Hi. You're primary verifier and I'm second verifier on http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4111. After discussion with Bluesman (http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Bluesman#Best_of_Science_Fiction) I'm going to add a note to this pub about the points differentiating the first and second editions. Please let me know if any concerns, and of course feel free to edit my additions if you spot any errors or omissions. Markwood 20:00, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Question for you: when I create separate records for 1st and 2nd printing, which printing did you verify? That is, did you verify a 1st printing with "The Monster From Nowhere" credited to Donald Wandrei, or a 2nd printing with that story credited to Nelson Bond? Want to make sure your primary verification ends up on the correct book. Thanks. Markwood 06:26, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

The Art of Star Wars Galaxy

I was drawn to look at the cover art for this pub because Jon J. Muth's name was misspelled (as John J. Muth), but of course he wasn't the cover artist. I changed the artist to match the name given for the pub, Ken Steacy. Bob 16:01, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Fat fingers. Thanks for the fix.SFJuggler 23:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Sheffield - Space Suits

Shouldn't the book and the short fiction series be converted to a "Fiction Series" like "Erasmus Darwin" and "McAndrew Chronicles" since there is the book that collects the stories? (I could understand not doing that in that a single book isn't a "series" but, for instance, the Penton and Blake story series and collection is done that way and the other Sheffield story series are actually all collected in single books, just ones that get different titles every time they expand.) --J-Sun 11:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

That's easily remedied. Edit the title record of the collection to add series data. That will automatically move both the collection and their contents to the same series. BUT only do that if you're certain that ALL the stories in the collection belong to the series. It looks like a couple of them are not currently. If you have evidence that they are, then update each story's title record, adding the series data, and then update the collection's title record also. BTW, this can be done by anyone, not just the person who verified the publication. Publication records and title records are separate entities. You have to notify verifiers of publication records about changes to those records, but since titles can't be "verified", it's not required that you notify anyone about adding series data or notes to them. Just be sure that you can back up any changes to titles with some hard proof. Also, NEVER change the title field or author field of a title contained in a primary-verified publication without talking to the verifier or a moderator. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:29, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks like the changes have been made & approved. Thanks.SFJuggler 23:05, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The Compleat Feghoot

I started to variant the contents of this publication to the canonical titles (starting from the last one), before I realized that the numbers may not match the original numbering system used when the stories were first published. Is there a way for you to compare the stories as reprinted here with the originals? If so, could you pick up the chore of varianting the records? Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Wow! You don't ask much, do you? ;) I have a cross-reference to the first 70 stories or so (somewhere). I'll see if I can track it down.SFJuggler 01:35, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I know there's some effort involved, but when doing a primary verification of a record, it's the responsible thing to do by creating variants to canonical title records. Although nothing in the standards requires it, it's nice to know that you're not leaving known variant titles without links. Much appreciation and good karma for your efforts. Mhhutchins 16:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

The Planet of the Apes Chronicles

Can you confirm that this 2001 publication has a stated ISBN-13? If it does, then the publication date is wrong. If not, please correct the ISBN to the one stated in the publication. Also, are there two different interviews of Jacobs by Winogura (pages 32 and 97)? Or is it the same interview continued on a later page? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:14, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I've changed it to an ISBN-10. If that's not correct (meaning it has an ISBN-13), then check the publication date. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:30, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

ISBN-10 on the copyright page.SFJuggler 03:20, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Trouble on Titan

Hi, Could you please check whether your verified copy of Trouble on Titan is indeed #24 in the Winston Science Fiction series, as given on LibraryThing? And am I right into thinking that the publisher's name -as given on the title page- is John C. Winston Co.?--Dirk P Broer 10:41, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I can check but it will be a long-term thing. The book has been put back into a storage box and I may not get back to it for a while.SFJuggler 03:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

L.W. Currey lists this book as published by "The John C. Winston Company", and notes that there are 24 titles on the back cover (including Trouble on Titan). Wikipedia lists it as the 24th book in the series. This picture shows a facsimile cover, which credits "The John C. Winston Company" on both the back cover and the inside dj flap, and shows the 24 books (including Titan") on the back cover. So I think we're safe in assuming that Dirk is correct and that this is properly attributed to the fuller name of the publishing company. Since every other book in this series (except the last two, when the company merged) is currently credited to The "John C. Winston Co.", I'm going to go ahead and change it to that publisher. If you have a chance in the future to check this, please do. Chavey 12:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I have in my catalog notes "The John C. Winston Company" so I'm good with the change.SFJuggler 16:31, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

"Hitchhiker's" or "Hitch Hiker's"

Can you confirm the title given in this record? Both BLIC and OCLC give it as "Hitchhiker". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Cover, spine, back cover and title page all give it as "Hitchhiker." The title is not mentioned on the copyright page.SFJuggler 04:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Adding a Dimension

Your verified Adding a Dimension contains "The Issac Winners", but I strongly suspect this should be "The Isaac Winners". Furthermore, "Tools of the Trade" seems to be missing. Could you check this, please? Darkday 19:05, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Submitted a correction for "Isaac" but will have to dig out the book again to check for the missing title. Good catch.SFJuggler 19:19, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you may have cloned the paperback edition, which is also missing the 17th essay. And you'll need to edit the dates of the introduction and "The Isaac Winners" to the publication date of this edition (they have the date of the pb edition). Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:47, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Will do that when I dig out the book again to get the info.SFJuggler 19:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Lord John Ten

Can you confirm that you're only adding the speculative fiction content from this publication to the database? It appears to be a mixed-genre anthology. If so, then only the spec-fic should be given separate content records. All of the non-spec-fic contents can be recorded in the Note field. Mhhutchins 07:24, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Any way to get access to the record (or the submitted HTML) so that I can edit it rather than re-enter it?SFJuggler 21:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

A submission can be 1) cancelled by the submitter, 2) rejected by the moderator, or 3) accepted by the moderated. It can not be edited after submitted, but before acceptance. If I accept it, you will not only have to remove any non-spec contents, but you'll also have to delete the records that are created when a submission is accepted. What do you want me to do? Mhhutchins 01:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll cancel.SFJuggler 05:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Dune Pop-Up book

I'm going to make a few corrections to this record. The type will be changed from CHAPTERBOOK to NONFICTION with the consideration that this is more of an art book than a work of fiction. (See this for the definition of CHAPTERBOOK.) I'm also going to add brackets around the page count because the number was derived from counting the pages. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:41, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

But the instructions say that you are supposed to cut out the figures and use them to "Relive all the excitement and adventure from the movie DUNE!" That would make it fiction as I do not recall much excitement and adventure in the movie. ;) Honestly, I got to see a trade screening the week before it opened up and I fell asleep part way through. However you want to list it works for me.SFJuggler 03:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Time or Life Science Library?

Hi. Your proposed update would set the series on this to "Time Science Library", but the cover seems to show "Life Science Library" (although I could see it being just "Science Library" next to a Life logo), so I figured I'd double check that "Time" is correct. Thanks. --MartyD 01:58, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

No, you're right. It's the "Life Science Library." I just got caught in the Time-Life thing after looking at so many entries for the book. Thanks for the catch.SFJuggler 02:02, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

No problem. I will accept and fix. --MartyD 02:05, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.SFJuggler 02:07, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

BTW, was "Page 200 list picture credits" supposed to be "Page 200 lists picture credits" or am I parsing it wrong? Ahasuerus 02:16, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Nope, you parsed it correctly. Correction submitted.SFJuggler 02:18, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Approved, thanks! Ahasuerus 02:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Streiber or Strieber

Is this record credited as published? Mhhutchins 02:26, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Typo. Will submit a fix.SFJuggler 02:41, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Deryni Challenge

I accepted your edit for Deryni Challenge, however is there an "of" between "World" and "Katherine" on the title page, as on the cover? Thanks for checking. PeteYoung 17:33, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there is. I'll put in an edit.SFJuggler 02:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Rejection for Psycho II printing

We don't create publication records for advanced reading/reviewer copies. There are rare exceptions for unusual printings, but I couldn't see that in this case. Mhhutchins 19:36, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I should have held the submission to determine if this could be an exception to the rules. If it turns out to be so, I'll help recreate the submission. Mhhutchins 19:41, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I know about the advance copy thing but this one was not a case where there were only a few sent out for review. They were giving these things away right and left at the show. There were hundreds, if not a couple thousand copies passed out (whether you wanted one or not, it seemed).SFJuggler 20:36, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

That happens quite often at conventions. Do you know if the first retail edition had a complete number line? If it was incomplete, then this would be one of those rare cases where a record for the advance edition could be justified. Here is the last discussion of the matter (there were previous ones, too). You could start a new topic on the Rules & Discussion page if you want to raise the issue again. Mhhutchins 22:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

These were retail edition pages with a slightly different cover slapped on them for the show. The only difference was the "Not For Sale" bullet and the lack of foil embossing. Everything else (ISBN, price, etc.) was the same. This was basically an earlier state of the retail edition (or an alternate cover of the same edition).SFJuggler 23:01, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I've recreated the submission and here is the record. I still don't think it's exceptional enough to bypass the rules, so you might get questioned about it by other editors. Please do a primary verification so that they know who to contact. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay.SFJuggler 05:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Sneak Preview and derived ISBNs

I accepted the submission to update this record, but reverted the catalog number to the original one. The catalog number on a book's spine isn't the SBN, which are usually stated as such on a book's copyright page. Some paperback publishers began adding their assigned publisher code to their catalog numbers before committing fully to the ISBN, skipping the intermediate SBN entirely. Converting these catalog numbers to ISBNs adds nothing to the value of the ISFDB publication record. In fact, it may cause confusion when another editor comes along to create another record for the same edition/printing. I know of only two publishers (there were probably more) that took the intermediate step of providing SBNs in their books: Ballantine and Berkley. Those numbers usually only required the language code digit ("0"). Most paperback publishers only added their three digit publisher code to their catalog numbers, some without even adding the language code digit or the final checksum digit. In fact, many of them added a price code to those fix-up catalog numbers. If an editor has to add both a language code digit and a checksum digit, and remove the price code, then they're working too hard to come up with a valid ISBN that doesn't really help anyone. Mhhutchins 23:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, saw the change back. Thanks.SFJuggler 00:22, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Cover artist ╪ illustrator

I accepted the submission to update this record, but have to question your adding a cover art credit based on the copyright record, which states "ill. by David S. Perry". It doesn't give him cover art credit. There's an interior art content record for that credit. Mhhutchins 03:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I based it on these two lines in particular:

Copyright Claimant: on cover ill.; Bantam Books, Inc.

ISBN: 0553133128

I think it shows that this entry is for the cover illustration. If you think differently let me know.SFJuggler 03:15, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

That seems to me to explicitly credit Bantam Books with the cover copyright. I see nothing that gives Perry either the credit or the copyright of the cover. Here's the complete statement as I've found it:

Sundiver

Type of Work: Two-dimensional art work

Registration Number / Date: VA0000050434 / 1980-04-21

Date of Publication: January 21, 1980

Date of Creation: 1979

Title: Sundiver / David Brin ; ill. by David S. Perry.

Imprint: New York : Bantam, 1980.

Description: 340 p.

Copyright Claimant: on cover ill.; Bantam Books, Inc.

If this were just a registration for the cover, why would it give the page count? Why give the author credit and the illustration credit on the Title line? I know nothing about these copyright registration forms, and didn't even know they were accessible online until you started sourcing them in pub records. Are there separate registrations for a book's text? Mhhutchins 04:42, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

The entry for the text of the book is TX0000456688. There is not always an entry for the artwork, there just happened to be on this one. Prior to 1978 the entries were published in a book every six months. Google has scanned them and they can be accessed through this page: https://encrypted.google.com/googlebooks/copyrightsearch.html. Their search window for all the books doesn't work correctly so it's better if you search individual volumes. Sometimes you have to look by hand as the OCR is rather funky on some entries. After 1978 the database is searchable through here: http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?DB=local&PAGE=First. It's sometimes more difficult to find stuff after 1978 as they catalog text (the TX entries), movies and art (the VA entries), renewals (the RE entries) plus a number of miscellaneous types. There's an awful lot of clutter to sort through. Hope this helps.SFJuggler 05:03, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

So if we compare the two registration records, it becomes even more clear that the first entry gives the cover art credit to Bantam and not Perry, since everything else is virtually identical:

Type of Work: Non-dramatic literary work

Registration Number / Date: TX0000456688 / 1980-04-21

Date of Publication: January 21, 1980

Date of Creation: 1979

Title: Sundiver / David Brin ; [ill. by David S. Perry].

Imprint: New York : Bantam Books, 1980.

Description: 340 p.

Copyright Claimant: David Brin

The first record (for the "two-dimensional art work") gives copyright to Bantam Books while the second (for the "non-dramatic literary work") gives copyright to David Brin. David Perry is mentioned only on the same line of both records. Thanks for providing the links to find the records. I'll copy them over to my user page for future reference. Mhhutchins 05:38, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

After reading it in the morning I see what I missed. I'm removing the artist credit until something more definitive shows up.SFJuggler 14:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Cover art credit for The Long Result

You should have given the source for the credit in the Note field (an "internet search" is too vague.) Also, I changed the credit from "Hubertus Octavio von Zittewitz" to "Hoot von Zitzewitz" which is not only the ISFDB canonical name for the artist, it's also the name given in your source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:31, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Didn't know how you felt about it as a source so left it up to you.SFJuggler 18:39, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

If it's a source reliable enough to change a verified record, then it should be given in the Note field. Otherwise, you're requiring the database user to do the same search you did. If it's not a reliable source, or you believed that other users might feel differently about it, then it would have been better to just note it without changing the cover artist field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:06, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

OK.SFJuggler 19:15, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Post notices on the appropriate page

Please take a moment and read the note I've placed at the top of this page. If you make changes to this page, I do not get a message notification. That's why I asked specifically that I be notified on the appropriate page. When you change one of my verified records, other than adding a cover image or adding notes, I ask that a message be placed on my user talk page before you make the submission. Mhhutchins 21:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Noted.SFJuggler 22:00, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Bayley's The Seed of Evil

Can you confirm that the stories in this publication are credited to the pseudonymous author? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

If I can locate the box again I'll pull it and check. May be a bit.SFJuggler 23:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Scarborough Hall

Please check the notes field (the URLs are missing) of this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Whoops! Fixed.SFJuggler 05:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

BTW, if you're able to change the type of a publication in the container (content) record of a publication record (most of the time you can't), there's no need to make a separate submission to update the title record which is essentially the same as the title reference record or container.

Also, since this was a variant title record, you'll have to change the type of the parent title record, which wasn't affected when you changed the type of the variant record. Mhhutchins 05:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Change submitted.SFJuggler 16:56, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion on the Community Portal

Your use of dates from the Catalog of Copyrights is being discussed on the Community Portal. It might be a good idea to provide further information for those who are concerned about the practice. Mhhutchins 01:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Shadow of Ashland

Can you confirm the publisher credit given in this record? Forge and Tor are separate imprints of Tom Doherty Associates, but I've never seen a publication which credits both. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Fix submitted.SFJuggler 05:32, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Unsufficient notification of primary verifier for A Planet Called Treason

Contrary to the note you not only want to add notes but also try to change the page count for A Planet Called Treason. It is essential to discuss such changes before submitting. I have put your submission on hold. Stonecreek 10:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

There are several issues with this submission. I see no need to add the unnumbered pages before pagination. The help text states "If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in [brackets]." There's only the map, which you entered with the correct pagination (bp), and if you really want to add the unnumbered pages, there are 12, not 2. The map should have had "(map)" added to the title, and the notification should have gone to my regular page of course. Otherwise it's a good find and the hold can be released. Thanks (and thanks Christian), --Willem H. 17:45, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm cool with that. Sorry for the miscommunication.SFJuggler 02:08, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I approved the submission. Stonecreek 03:15, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.SFJuggler 03:25, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Santa Claus and Return of the Jedi story books

Based on their page counts, I changed these to CHAPTERBOOKS and added a SHORTFICTION content to each. Thanks. Mhhutchins

Works for me. They really are short.SFJuggler 22:36, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

These Are the Voyages

Re this record: If this is a COLLECTION of stories in a book by Charles Kurts, then he should be credited as the author of the individual stories, not the fictional characters. If you believe that Kurts is not the author of the stories, the book should be typed as an ANTHOLOGY, and the stories should be credited to "uncredited" with an explanation in the Note field. Mhhutchins 18:53, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

The whole book is credited to Kurts but each piece is credited to the character.SFJuggler 18:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

There are many stories in which an author creates a fictional character to tell a story and even credits that character as the author. Such "in-universe" (fictional) stories should be credited to the book's author and not to a fictional character. Mhhutchins 19:00, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I'll kill the submissions and change the authors.SFJuggler 19:01, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

"Predator"

Would you happen to remember the source of the information about "Dick Flint" in this pub? Ahasuerus 15:50, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Conversation with the author. He's was local to me at the time.SFJuggler 15:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I have updated Notes accordingly :) Ahasuerus 15:58, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Works for me.;)SFJuggler 16:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

The High Frontier: Human Colonies in Space

It may be seem unlikely, but we don't have a publisher Bantam in the database. The closest we have may be Bantam Books, but there's also a whole bunch of others. Stonecreek 03:50, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

It's Bantam Books.SFJuggler 03:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Shuttle

I changed the publisher credit of this record to reflect the ISFDB's canonical form of the publisher's name. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay.SFJuggler 04:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Replacing a cover image file

You don't have to update the publication record if you have replaced the cover image file. The URL remains the same. Just clear your cache (F5 on most browsers) and you can see that your newly uploaded file is now displayed on the publication record. Mhhutchins 19:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

It was just a courtesy to let you know that I had informed the PV. I guess if you're just replacing it with a better scan it's not really necessary.SFJuggler 20:05, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

The courtesy is informing the primary verifier, and that is expected. But unnecessarily making a submission to update the publication record without making a change to the record is a nuisance to the moderator and a wasted effort for you. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Noted.SFJuggler 20:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Planet of the Ape series

I removed the series data you added to this variant record and placed the parent title into the series. No series data should be added to a variant title. Mhhutchins 20:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Whoops. I thought that's what I did. Thanks for the fix.SFJuggler 20:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

It was in the variant (English title) record, and not the parent (French) title record. Otherwise it would not have showed up on a clean-up script which finds series data in a variant record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:36, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Randall's Those Who Favor Fire

Please see the response I made to the update you submitted for this novel. Mhhutchins 01:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I understand the rationale and I'll leave it the way it is for now. As a note, the characters in the novel refer to the newspaper and multiple articles in 9 of the 10 chapters in the book (they do not appear in the last chapter and the short epilogue).SFJuggler 03:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Armageddon 2419 A.D.

Please see the response I made concerning the change in the author credit of this publication record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

It's a very prominent notice in the book and I believe that Robinson does deserve co-author status but it SHOULD be a variant as it has been altered from Nowlan's original text. As for the series...I know that Niven and Pournelle supplied outlines for a number of sequels but I have no knowledge of them having anything to do with this and can find no evidence that they did.SFJuggler 04:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Not likely for a title published in 1962 based on a work published in 1928! Please make a submission to correct the publication record to reflect the title page credit. Then unmerge it and any other reprints of this version. Merge them into one record. Then variant them to a title record crediting Nowlan and Robinson. I will to remove the Nowlan title from the Niven & Pournelle series and renumber the remaining titles. Mhhutchins 05:04, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The Ace edition seems to have disappeared.SFJuggler 05:23, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Two publication records of that edition are listed under the title record. As I said, I moved the title out from the Niven & Pournelle series, but that doesn't affect the title or its publication records. Mhhutchins 17:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The Rabble Rousers

I was holding your submission updating this record so that you could notify the PV editor. My research has show that you'll correct that the work is NONFICTION, so I'll go ahead and accept the submission. Don't forget to change the type of the title record as well when you change the type of a publication record. It's not automatic. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:23, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

You'll notice that there's no title reference link on the publication record which is caused by a mismatch between title and publication type. You'll have to find the title on the author's summary page. Mhhutchins 17:25, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Change submitted.SFJuggler 04:21, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Prometheans

Re this publication: Why the brackets around the page numbers? They should only be used for unnumbered pages which appear in an unnumbered section of a book. Mhhutchins 04:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Those particular pages are unnumbered.SFJuggler 05:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Then you go forward or backward to the nearest numbered page and determine the page number of the content, and then enter them without brackets. More than half of all published collections and anthologies don't include the page numbers on the title pages as a design feature. (Some book designers don't like adding the page number to title pages. Pick up the nearest collection to you and the odds are the content pages aren't numbered.) I've not seen you do this with any other collection or anthology, so why this one? Brackets are only used when a content starts on a page which is part of a section of unnumbered pages, either before or after the main numbered section of a publication. Mhhutchins 20:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll make the changes. These are the pages where the actual content starts (and not just "title" pages). Just trying to be accurate.SFJuggler 03:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

"from"

Re this publication: "from" is on the list of words in a title which are not capitalized unless it's the first or last word. See the list here in the Case sub-section. Mhhutchins 17:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay.SFJuggler 17:30, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Lazlo Kubinyi

Would you mind double checking the spelling of "Lazlo" for the interior artist credits in your verified The Death of Chaos and Magi'i of Cyador? The artist's actual name is Laszlo Kubinyi and I would like to double check the missing "s" before making a pseudonym. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:19, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Typos or tired eyes, I'm not sure which. I'll put in fixes for them.SFJuggler 21:18, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

To Keep or Kill

Re this record: Please provide the source for your data in the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Info submitted with cover upload.SFJuggler 03:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

A Cosmic Cornucopia

Can you check the foreword/introduction of this verified pub again? In my first printing the Tom Holt essay is called "foreword". If yours has the same title, I can correct and merge the titles, if not yours should be a variant. Thanks for checking, --Willem H. 17:46, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm working off of a first printing copy and it is spelled "Foreword" as you say. I say they can be merged.SFJuggler 20:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Michael Whelan's Wonderworks

You verified a copy of Wonderworks. Kelly and Polly Freas are credited as editors on the titlepage of my edition, and according to the current standards should be credited as co-authors. I would like to change this credit if you don't mind. A few other things: I don't think this title should have a subtitle. The statement on the titlepage is "Wonderworks" over "Science Fiction and Fantasy Art by Michael Whelan". Also in my edition the essay on page 12 is called "foreword", "foreword by the artist" is only on the contents page. --Willem H. 19:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead with the changes.SFJuggler 17:28, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Changes made. --Willem H. 18:25, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

The Gigantic Three in One Complete History of the Universe

I changed this publication from CHAPTERBOOK to COLLECTION. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:49, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Foundation and Earth / The Story Behind the Foundation

Could you please join this discussion. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 00:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

You probably have overlooked this message. When you find the time, could you please comment on user Kraang's talk page (link above), giving either your assent or explaining why the two title records should not be merged? Thanks a lot, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 19:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The Hour of the Thin Ox

It seems that sometime circa 1986/1987, George Allen & Unwin became simply Allen & Unwin. Can you check your verified record and see which publisher name appears on its title page? Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 00:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I'll have to see if I can locate that box again. The information I have in my personal database is that the imprint on the title page was "Unwin Hyman".SFJuggler 16:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Boston's Hypertales and Metafictions

Changed this record from CHAPTERBOOK to COLLECTION, per ISFDB standards. Mhhutchins 04:35, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Did the same for Skin Trades. Mhhutchins 15:54, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

And Houses & Other Stories. Mhhutchins 15:58, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Okay.SFJuggler 03:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

The A-Z Guide to Babylon 5

Hello. Everything in the Notes for 34954 matches my book-in-hand, but the Binding for mine is pb, not tp, and the Pages are 310+[8] (i.e. 309 numbered pages plus 1 more of content). Can you check it? Thanks. MagicKey 16:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

PB. Hit the wrong dropdown. Thanks. Edit submitted.SFJuggler 22:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

"The End of Eternity" in The Alternate Asimov

I believe the version of the story in this edition is the early novella version and not the full-length novel published in 1955. The record for the paperback reprint agrees with that assumption. Can you please check your copy? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Agreed!SFJuggler 23:28, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Please proceed to make the correction. Or I can if you wish. Mhhutchins 19:41, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Susan C. Petrey's Gift of Blood

According to SFE3, Susan C. Petrey published:

• ...seven Varkela tales. All these, with two standalone stories including "Spidersong" (September 1980 F&SF), are collected in Gifts of Blood (coll 1990).

However, our Varkela/Spareen listing is limited to the six stories which appeared in F&SF. Could you please check your copy of Gift of Blood to see whether it's "Fleas" or "The Neisserian Invasion" that we need to add to the series? TIA! Ahasuerus 23:53, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Just re-checking to see if you have had any luck identifying the missing story. Ahasuerus 01:44, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Not so far. Haven't uncovered this box again, yet.01:46, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Not a problem, I know all too well how ... unwieldy large personal libraries can be :) Ahasuerus 01:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Amen!;)SFJuggler 01:51, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Exploring the Matrix

Re this publication. There's some confusion about the exact subtitle used for this edition. At the moment the same publication with the same ISBN is listed under two titles Exploring the Matrix: Visions of the Cyber Present and Exploring the Matrix: Visions of the Cyber Future. I'm not even certain if both titles actually exist. Can you confirm the title as given on the title page matches your record? At the moment, the cover states "Present" and the record stated "Future". Both LCCN and OCLC linked to the record give it as "Present". Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:57, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Rechecked my copy and it's "Present" on both the cover and the title page. Correction submitted.SFJuggler 00:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Underwood Miller edition of The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick

Can you confirm that the first volume of this five-volume set has a separate ISBN (0-88733-052-5), while the other four share the same ISBN (0-88733-053-3)? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:18, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I only have a single ISBN shared for the entire set (0-88733-053-3) with a separate LCCN for each volume (87-50156 through 87-50159). The Library of Congress lists the ISBN 0-88733-053-3 as the ISBN for the set but only applies it to volumes 2-4. Additionally, they also have a separate LCCN (89-157280) for the set (again, volumes 2-4).SFJuggler 22:08, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

My concern is that the records match the publications. If there's a duplication of ISBNs, that's fine as long as that is what is given in the actual book and recorded in the ISFDB record. How the LoC records it can be noted, but is irrelevant to the question. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I will try to dig them out and re-check them. I understand your concern and I guess I didn't make myself sufficiently clear in the last message. When I recorded my copies in my records I only had a single ISBN listed (for the set) and I would have gotten them from the books themselves.SFJuggler 23:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Please read my initial post again: the first volume, which you primary verified, has a different ISBN than the other four. That was my singular concern. Either your statement about all of them having the same ISBN is correct, or the publication record of Volume One is correct. They can't both be correct. :) Mhhutchins 00:59, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I will check it out when I can dig out the set (boxed up right now). Probably a typo on my part.;)SFJuggler 01:02, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Lafferty's My Heart Leaps Up

Can you confirm that the ISBN in this publication is the same used in this one? Also, although you didn't primary verify this record, but did upload the image, I'm hoping you'll be able to confirm the ISBN currently assigned to it as well. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:00, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I'll have to dig these up again. When I do I'll go through all of them.SFJuggler 22:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Star Watchman

I have approved the addition of the first edition of Star Watchman, but it looks like it may be a duplicate of this publication. Could you please check? TIA! Ahasuerus 04:21, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's the entry I cloned it from. It's the library binding (note the illustrated boards in the original). The clone (the one I'm entering) is the trade binding (noted in the description). Cover scan to follow.SFJuggler 04:55, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I missed the difference in the Note field... Ahasuerus 05:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Verified it just now.SFJuggler 05:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Twentieth Century Discovery binding

This came through with a binding of "unknown". Since you have it, I'm guessing you can tell what the binding is.... :) Thanks. --MartyD 19:39, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Whoops! I'll fix that. I'm pretty sure I can figure it out after some investigation. ;)SFJuggler 20:04, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

"Norby: Robot for Hire", by Janet & Isaac Asimov

I've placed your submission for this book on hold. It appears to be identical to the existing first printing, or at least your notes don't seem to show any differences between your pub and that one. Is there a difference? Chavey 02:47, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Must have missed seeing that one. I've cancelled my entry.SFJuggler 03:02, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Wargames

Can you confirm that this book credits "David F. Bischoff" on its title page? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 16:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

No "F", correction submitted.SFJuggler 17:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Dr. Pak's Preschool

I've added to the notes for Dr. Pak's Preschool to reflect apparent differences between the numbered and lettered versions. Bob 00:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.SFJuggler 01:39, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Waterworld

I think you have the second publication listed under this title. Your submission updates the first, which appears to have been mistakenly merged with this title. According to OCLC, the one you're updating is a "young adult" version of the novelization and is only 121 pages. If you agree with me, cancel your submission, and then update and verify the other record. Then I'll unmerge the book of the juvenile version from the title record. Mhhutchins 07:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it should be this one that should be updated.SFJuggler

Dick's A Maze of Death

Hi, you may want to check if Author's Foreword (A Maze of Death) by PKD is also in your 1st ed. (and also I'm interested in it). Thanks, Stonecreek 20:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

If I can get back to the box I'll check it out.SFJuggler 05:17, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [1].Don Erikson 00:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Cool.SFJuggler 00:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

The Two-Space War

I'm uncertain of the meaning of the first bullet of the notes in this record. Mhhutchins 01:05, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

It's a blank in my template that I forgot to fill in. Fix submitted. ;)SFJuggler 01:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)