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Hello, AndyjMo, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Hauck 16:51, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Mean Streets

Hello, I've approved your submission for this publication. If you own a physical copy of the book, please think about setting you up as its "Primary Verifier" (by the "Verify This Pub" link on the left of the page at publication level here). It will just indicate to other users of the ISFDB that the data given is reliable. Thanks. Hauck 16:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I have made myself Primary Verifier AndyjMo 15:24, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, in this case, I've deleted the "data from amazon" bit in the notes as the data is now from you. Hauck 15:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Pubs with "Data from xxx"

Hi, and a belated welcome. When you're working with an existing record, such as Burned, for a publication you have in hand, that you are going to Primary-verify (thanks for doing those, btw!), and you see a note like "Data from xxx...", you should delete or adjust that to be more specific. We have a lot of entries constructed entirely from secondary sources (something other than the book), and we document in the notes anything that did not come from the publication itself. So when you have the book, you can remove the note entirely if everything in the record can be found in your publication, or you should make it more specific, to refer only to what is not in the book. E.g., you might make it say "Publication date not stated; date from" or whatever. If there's no secondary source attribution, the information is assumed to have come from the publication. Thanks, and thanks for contributing. --MartyD 11:33, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Extracts / Excerpts

Hello, just FYI, the extracts/excerpts that sometimes can be found at the end of some books must be: 1) entered as SHORTFICTION and 2) entered as Title (excerpt) (not (extract)). Thanks. Hauck 07:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Nightseer date

Hi. I accepted your Nightseer submission but changed the date from 1992-03-00 (the date of the first printing) to 0000-00-00 (unknown). Your pub note cites only the first printing's date, and it's unlikely this seventh printing is in the same year, especially given the different price. Clone doesn't know any better and blindly copies the date, making it easy to forget to update it. --MartyD 00:56, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Inteview with Laurell K. Hamilton

Hello, I've entered the interview that you indicated in your notes to moderator (via "Edit This Pub" and adding the interview in the third group of title-types, the interviewer being in this case our great friend "uncredited"). Don't hesitate to correct the title if needed. Hauck 16:21, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

cartoon strip credited to Jennie Breeden

Hello, I usually enter such items as INTERIORART pieces. Hauck 16:51, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay, will do AndyjMo 16:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

A Shiver of Light

Hello, I've approved your submission for this pub, but should the artist be "Judith Lagerman"? Hauck 15:46, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes. My bad - must read my typing before I click submit AndyjMo 17:55, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

The Witches of Wenshar

Hello, I've approved your submission result here but can you confirm the artist as "Mark Salwoski" instead of "Mark Salwowski "? Thanks. Hauck 19:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Once again I have failed. You are correct, it is Mark Salwoski AndyjMo 21:05, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Editing publications having a Primary Verifier

Hi. When you edit an existing publication record that has a Primary Verifier, ISFDB etiquette is that you notify the verifier of your changes by leaving a note on their talk page or following any special instructions you find there. If you are adding something (cover image, note, artist credit, etc.), it ok to submit the change and to do the notification in parallel. If you are going to alter something that's there (change the date, change a credit, etc.), you should check with the verifier about the change first, then submit it when you have agreement. Sometimes small differences end up indicating different editions. I have notified Catkhan of the notes you added to On the Edge, so just something to keep in mind for future edits. Thanks. --MartyD 10:42, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Bit by bit I learn the rules. AndyjMo 14:22, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
To indent your answers, you can use the requisite number of ":". Hauck 14:35, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Cover artist found for The Forever War

Hello, I added the artist and a note to The Forever War (change the note to your liking). Stonecreek 12:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Well done. There are other similar covers for this title which could also be credited to the same artist. I'll let you amend those as well AndyjMo 12:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Date of publishing for Sorcerer's Ward

I've put your submission on hold: if there's no other source than amazon then please cancel your submission, as this source is the more unreliable for dates the more the time span elongates. It is quite safe for the last ten years, can be used while there's no other source for dates in our millenium and should be avoided before that (their aim is to sell, not to supply dependable bibliographical data). Thanks, Stonecreek 13:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

OK, I'll re-submit and leave the day field as zero AndyjMo 15:34, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

The Nano Flower

Hello, I've approved your submission but am worried by the existence of this other second printing can you confirm the price and give me the complete number line? Thanks. Hauck 17:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

The price is definitely £6.99. Number line is 3 5 7 9 8 6 4 2. AndyjMo 17:39, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Notes updated. Hauck 17:45, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Night Broken

Hello I've approved your submission (slightly updated to notes to teflect the fact that data comes from a PV). Regarding you question, what's on your copy trumps all secondary sources. Hauck 15:54, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Looks good. I've had to update it again as I forgot to include the map AndyjMo 16:51, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

The Shepherd's Crown

I accepted your clone edit to create The Shepherd's Crown. However, I changed the date to "2016-00-00". We do no use purchase date as the publishing date. If a publishing month can't be determined from the book or secondary source, then we just enter the year. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)


Hi. Do you think your Sphere submission is the same as this? Thanks. --MartyD 19:38, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

My copy has a completely different front cover. It also does not have an ISBN, only 11762 on the back cover. It does say "Sphere Science Fiction Classics" on the front cover, which I should include. AndyjMo 19:43, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

"About the Author"

Hello, our policy is not to include such fillers (see this section of the help), so I've deleted Author's Note (And Eternity). If it's substantial, please re-add it (and sorry for the trouble). Hauck 11:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

As other publications have it and it seems quite substantial, I've recreated it. Sorry for the hassle. Hauck 11:51, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you but I included it as other publications had it. Why, can't life be simple? AndyjMo 12:58, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Bibliographical life is never simple... Hauck 13:40, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Crewel Lye: A Caustic Yarn

Hello, I've rejected your submission. IMHO, in such cases it's better to add a new publication than to "tweak" an existing one that is likely to exist and be different than yours (it's not unprobable that such titles were frequently reprinted so an printing per year is possible). Hauck 14:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Will do AndyjMo 14:39, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Same for Demons Don't Dream, I've rejected the submission. Hauck 17:07, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I meant to clone this publication, but must have selected edit instead. Sorry AndyjMo 17:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
IIRC you did both! Hauck 17:18, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Phule's Company

Hello, IMHO the publication in your submission (that I've rejected) is very likely this already existing one. Don't hesitate to take the PV1's spot and add to the notes. Hauck 17:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

I cloned it as the existing title had a date of Jan 1992, whereas my copy just said 1991. Not sure where the Jan 1992 came from though. However I will edit the existing one with the details from my copy. AndyjMo 17:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Submission approved. A rule of thumb (at least for me) is that "void" (without any significant data) existing publications are fair game and can be taken over easily. Hauck 18:19, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Bones

Hello, I've approved your submission for this pub but it's unlikely that the 9th printing was published earlier that the 1st. Usually the date given of Ace titles is valid only for the first printing and is later not updated. I've changed the pub date to "0000-00-00". Hauck 13:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

You are right. I forgot to change the date when I cloned the record AndyjMo 20:02, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Undone Deeds

Just to let you know that I answered your inquiry about Undone Deeds. I'm so embarrassed. After a death in my family, a lot of stuff got reshuffled. I'm going to transient verifier, so if you got a copy change the date and go to primary. MLB 16:12, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

The Unexpected Dimension

I have a copy of The Unexpected Dimension which matches your verified version - "Panther edition published March 1964". However mine has a completely different cover. Also the last story finishes on page 125 so I am not sure what 124(+1) signifies. If your copy matches the displayed cover then I will create a clone. --AndyjMo 14:41, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

My copy -which has the cover (my scan) as displayed- has as last page with a printed pagenumber page 124, but the book finishes one page later, hence 124 (+1). If your copy is priced 2/6 clone the entry (but change the cover art), but if it is 3/6 (three shilling and sixpence): look at this record.--Dirk P Broer 20:24, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
I now understand what you mean by the +1 page number - my copy matches that. I was loath to change this record as it had a date of 1966 and a reference to The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No. 4 - which I do not have access to. I'll amend the record and check with a moderator. --AndyjMo 21:24, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Only use the other record when it matches your cover price! "Panther edition published March 1964" can be in a book published in 1966 (but mostly with "first Panther edition published March 1964")--Dirk P Broer 21:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
I see your copy does have the 3s/6p price, and it is a paperback, so it is safe to assume that the printing date is later than my 1964 2s/6p edition. Does it by any chance have a line on the copyright page saying reprinted 1966?--Dirk P Broer 14:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
The only printing dates are the 'published 1962' and 'published March 1964'. Should I change the date to Unknown? --AndyjMo 14:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Either that, or use the existing record for 1966 and change the content of the Note field to 'Publication date via The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No. 4.' I think that your copy verifies the info of The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No. 4. for this title, mainly due to the fact that author, title, publisher, publication format and price match.--Dirk P Broer 16:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I've updated the old record and deleted my clone. --AndyjMo 09:26, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Primary Verification Notifications

With regards to the last two notices you left for Dragoondelight: When the first primary verifier is no longer active (as indicated in the yellow box at the top of the editor's talk page), you should notify the next active primary verifier instead (Don Erikson and Hauck in these two cases). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:12, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

The Past Through Tomorrow

Hello, to answer your question, all stories will have to be merged individually. I'm going to do it, it will be quicker. Hauck 16:48, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I have the same problem with Volume 2 of this book. For some reason a lot of the variants of this Book (and volume 2) do not include the individual stories. Although they have been verified by a number of people. --AndyjMo 16:51, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
I've also cleared some funny things for this collection (the partial publications were not varianted to the whole but were simply equated with it), I've duplicated the contents of the first publication. Hauck 17:12, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

The Strange Affair of Spring Heeled Jack

Hello AndyjMo. Just a little thing concerning your latest submission : since the ESSAY appears on the unnumbered pages you have indicated, the corresponding page number should also be given between brackets : so, [481]. I have done the correction for you. Thanks ! Linguist 12:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC).

I'll have to read up about numbered and unnumbered pages and those with roman numerals. --AndyjMo 12:56, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Johannes Cabal the Detective

Hello again. I have approved your submission, but I have two remarks about it :

  1. If « Back cover states "Cover design © Michael Windsor" », and there is no other credit in the book, then the artist's name should be entered as "Michael Windsor", and the latter be made a pseudonym of the canonical "Michael J. Windsor".
  2. If the INTERIORART is a map, isn't it possible to determine the page it is situated on ? Or are there different maps ?

Please make these corrections if necessary. I can make them for you if you have any trouble with them. Linguist 15:51, 2 August 2016 (UTC).

The same goes for Johannes Cabal the Necromancer. Linguist 15:58, 2 August 2016 (UTC).
Hopefully I have made the changes. --AndyjMo 19:25, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for these modifications. Just two things (again !) :
  1. When you create or use a pseudonym, which you did all right, you also have to variant the titles (which now appear under "Michael Windsor") to the canonical artist's name "Michael J. Windsor" : at title level, click on "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work", and then use the bottom part of the screen to change the name to Michael J. Windsor. After approval, the titles will appear on the page of the canonical name.
  2. In order to have the pages appear in the right order in this pub, i.e. "[1]" before "1" (which the system sorts differently : "[" after "1"), use the "pipe" ("|") to impose the order you want (read § Sorting on this page, and see also how I have done it by clicking on "Edit This Pub". If you need more explanations, just ask ! Linguist 21:05, 2 August 2016 (UTC).

Ossian's Ride

Concerning the page count here : is there a specific reason to enter "189+[1]" ? If the last printed page of the text is unnumbered (as it often is), just indicate "190". If there is nothing particular on this unnumbered page (blank, ads, Table of contents…), it does not need to be mentioned. Only indicate unnumbered pages if they correspond to a specific text or artwork entered in the contents. This should be also explained here. Thanks ! Linguist 21:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC).

The reason why I put it as +1 is that I previously queried the same construct (see "Unexpected Dimension" above), so I assumed that was the 'right' way to do it. --AndyjMo 12:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Right. According to the rules and standards used in this db, as explained on the help page above, the page count of The Unexpected Dimension should have also been 125, not 124+[1]. I'll fix that up. Linguist 12:30, 3 August 2016 (UTC).

The Woman Who Died a Lot

Hello AndyjMo. I have approved your submission, but since the interior artwork is credited inside this pub, you can (and should !) add an INTERIORART content to it : Just click the "Add Title" button under "Regular Titles". If the illustrations have specific titles, use them; if not, write the title of the book again, then choose INTERIORART instead of SHORTFICTION, and credit this to the artists (one after the other). It is up to you to choose to enter this globally (no page number is then required) or each illustration separately (indicate page number for each one, and disambiguate each title with 1, 2, 3… — which can soon become tedious). Linguist 10:57, 4 August 2016 (UTC).

That was perfect ! Linguist 15:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC).
No it wasn't. I misspelt one of the artist's names (pah)! --AndyjMo 15:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
As long as you noticed it… Linguist 16:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC).

"Blood Trail", by Tanya Huff

You submitted a New Publication Record for the 12th printing of "Blood Trail". However, we already have that printing in our system, with a publication date from Locus. As such, I had to reject your submission. You had some additional detail in that submission (Canadian price of $9.99, and listing the Publication series), but you should submit those as PubUpdates to the record above. Chavey 05:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Also, your submission of a 10th printing of "Blood Lines" is a duplicate of this record. Similar comments to those above apply. Chavey 05:55, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

And your submission of a 10th printing of "Blood Debt" is a duplicate of this record. (By the way, to check for duplicates like this, look at every other copy that has the same price as your copy.) Chavey 05:59, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Deep sigh. Slow down. Think once, think twice and look again. Sorry --AndyjMo 09:35, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Don't worry too much; we've all done that. I know I entered a whole lot of books myself that ended up being duplicates of ones already in there. Part of the problem is that we don't have a good way to record later printings of books, except in the "Notes" field, which doesn't reveal itself in the Title Record listing of editions. Chavey 16:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


Hello, I've put your submission on hold. What is your source for giving the second printing the same publication date as the first? Perhaps "2011" would be better. Hauck 17:45, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

My mistake. The Date should be 2011-00-00, I forgot to change it. --AndyjMo 18:29, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

And the Devil Will Drag You Under

Hello, to answer your question: 1) go the COVERART titte level (with DS as author, here), 2) use "•Unmerge Titles " to select one of the cover (the one to be attributed to DKS) to be split from the others, 3) go to this cover's new title, 4) change author from DS to DKS and 5) eventually merge the result with the DKS title record (here). As it's a multiple step process with moderating phases, I've done this for you. Hauck 17:36, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Simples! Thank you. --AndyjMo 18:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Curse the Dawn

Hello, I've approved your submission for this publication but, when you PV the publication, you'd better delete or amend the "◦Data from Locus1" bit because another user won't be sure of what comes from you and what comes from Locus. Hauck 15:48, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Same with Hunt the Moon for the Amazon bit. Hauck 15:55, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
I've edited both records. I've assumed that for Curse the Dawn Locus1 recorded the Cover Artist as it is not credited in the book. For Hunt the Moon the date (month and day) must have come from Amazon. --AndyjMo 16:29, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Hauck 16:34, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Anthology excerpt in Monster Hunter International

Hi. To answer your question, the Witch Way to the Mall (excerpt) in Monster Hunter International needs to be done differently. First, the "EDITOR" type is just for main MAGAZINE publication title records. The software doesn't know what to do with it if used as another type of content (you'll see it's not shown in the book's contents). An excerpt of any fictional work should be SHORTFICTION. So the type of the title record needs to change. Then there's the combined question of title and authorship. How are those two things presented for the excerpt in your book? If it's presented as Witch Way to the Mall, the title text as you have it is fine. If it's presented as "There's no "I" in Coven", then you should use that (plus "(excerpt)" if not the whole story). If there's any crediting to Nye at all, you should use that (regardless of title -- you can note in the title record which actual story title it's an excerpt of). If there is no crediting to Nye, I would use "uncredited" and note that Friesner is cited as the anthology editor, but no author credit is given), then make a variant to the same title with Nye as the author. Does that make sense? --MartyD 01:56, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

There are a couple of pages for the whole collection, Witch Way to the Mall (title and contents page) and then an excerpt from the "There's no "I" in Coven" story which is credited to Jody Lyn Nye. I've listed the story as an excerpt with Jody Lyn Nye as author. --AndyjMo 10:14, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Better had done it for you: Or Else ...

I removed the title credited to both and added one only for Kuttner (that had than to be merged with the existing title).

Undead and Unwed

Hello, I've approved your submission for this pub, but IMHO the publication date should be set to "0000-00-00" as is for this later printing. Hauck 14:39, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

You are indeed correct. I've changed the date. --AndyjMo 15:14, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

The Stainless Steel Rat Goes to Hell

Added Harry Harrison's essay 'A Devilish Good Piece of Advice' to our verified pub. It appears on page 245. Thanks. PeteYoung 18:40, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Sister of the Dead

Hi, changed the page count from 405 to x+405. MLB 01:51, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

The Last Werewolf

Hello, I've approved your submission but delted artist credit as we don not credit cover designer, only artists. Hauck 18:35, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


Hi, I made your verified copy of Macroscope #7 in the Sphere Science Fiction Classics series and added Eddie Jones as cover artist, based upon P Broer 00:25, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

R. M. Askren/ R.M. Askren

Hello, as per this help page, we quite systematically add a space between initials (I've done the correction mayself). I've rejected your submissions to change back the data. Hauck 16:15, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

As this is the case then I assume I will have to change the references to R.M. Askren in here and here. --AndyjMo 16:27, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes (they would have appeared in our of our claenup report tomorrow). Hauck 16:42, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


Hello, I was wondering where did you get the publishing date for your submission, note that we have this publication at the same date. I've put your submission on hold. Hauck 17:45, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

My mistake (again!). I should have set the date to 000-00-00 as it is the 11th printing. --AndyjMo 17:52, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, changed. Hauck 17:54, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

With The Lightnings

Activated the LCCN link for this book. MLB 23:02, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Spell Bound cover designer

No, we don't usually enter the name of the cover designer in the art field (unless there is a special reason to do so). Mentioning it in the notes is OK, though. Linguist 16:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC).

Inactive Verifiers

When notifying primary verifiers, please check if the verifier is marked as inactive (via the presence of this template at the top of their talk page). If it is present (as in the case of User_talk:Dragoondelight), you should notify the next available verifier instead (User talk:Don_Erikson for your two notifications to Dragoondelight). Also, when there are multiple verifiers, you may wish to consider notifying all active verifiers. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:39, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

HTML tags

Hello, can you please pay a closer attention to your use of diverse HTML tags, they sometimes require maintenance at moderator level (they need to be closed or be paired correctly). It will decrease our workload. Thanks. Hauck 10:24, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed this as it is just above my note. Here are couple of sites I have found useful for proof-reading HTML before putting into the Notes section. Hope this helps! BungalowBarbara 23:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC) (Erase the area on the left and past in your text instead, then click "Run.") (Erase the Source area on the right & paste in your text. Source area will be at the bottom if you have a narrow screen or window.)

Notes to Magic Bleeds

I have made some additions to the Notes on Magic Bleeds, including Canada price, more details about copyright page & cover, and link to archived publisher's site. BungalowBarbara 21:24, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Salwoskie vs. Salwowski

To answer your question, we lean toward avoiding creating pseudonyms for artists where reasonable. For example, if a printed credit cited the wrong person entirely (which happens on re-covered reprints), we'd note it and enter the actual artist. Likewise, we'd note a typo and enter the correct name. In my opinion, "Salwoskie" is far enough from "Salwowski" that it's more than just a typo, yet it's also not a credit for a different person. So I'd be inclined to record it as-is, note in the pub that the spelling is an apparent butchery of Salwowski, and make the pseudonym and variant. But that's just me, and you might get a different opinion from someone else. It's fine to leave it the way it is. --MartyD 00:37, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Cover artists

found for The Naming of the Beasts: Tim Byrne and Sean Garrehy. Can You confirm? --Zapp 17:24, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

The back cover states "Design: Tim Byrne & Sean Garrehy". I will update the record and see if the moderators are happy with it. --AndyjMo 17:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Deleted COVER record as per our rules "THOU SHALL NOT ENTER COVER DESIGNERS". ;-). Hauck 15:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Entering novels

Hello, please note not to enter an additional NOVEL record when entering a new publication (as you did with Camaera Obscura) this (adding the corresponding NOVEL record) is done automatically. By adding another one manually (I suppose that you wanted to add the page number), you'll end up with two NOVELs in one publication. Alas, you'll need a second pass to add the page numbers. I've corrected the faulty publication. Hauck 15:02, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't realise that the NOVEL record was added automatically. But now I know. --AndyjMo 15:22, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Deleting Cover Artist

Hello, to answer your question, just go at publication record here than use "Remove Titles From This Pub" and choose the cover record (under "COVER ART") to delete. You'll also have to delete the title record itself here lest it stays without any pub attached. Hauck 17:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Star Trek 2

Just picked up an 18th printing of [this] which gives all the previous printings with dates. Added the date with note. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:31, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Magic's Price

Hello. I have approved your submission, but you haven't indicated any source. Please PV it or add a note accordingly. Thanks, Linguist 10:43, 11 November 2016 (UTC).

It was cloned and I must have forgotten to select the "It's my copy" button. --AndyjMo 12:44, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

God Save the Queen

I accepted your edit to God Save the Queen, but had to make two changes to the interview. Since "Interview" is a generic title, I added "(God Save the Queen)" per our standard for disambiguating generic titles. I also had to change the interviewee to Kathryn Smith as, due to limitations with the software, only canonical names can be used for the interviewee. I added a note regarding that. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:57, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

The interview does not actually list the Interviewer or the Interviewee. The Interviewee has to be the author as the questions/answers are related to the series. Maybe your extra note is not needed? --AndyjMo 17:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I removed it. You could add a note to the effect that both are uncredited, but it is not required. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:07, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


Hello, I've put your submission on hold as your proposition looks a lot like this unPVed one. What are your thoughts on the matter? Hauck 17:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct. I was misled by the first line in the notes and did not read all it. I will amend the existing record and you can delete my previous submission. --AndyjMo 17:37, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Making a pseudonym

Hello, to answer your question: 1) go to the pseudonym page here, 2) use the "Make/Remove a Pseudonym" link on the left, 3) enter either the authorID of the canonical (here 26988) or the name of the canonical as present in the db, 4) valid your submission. This will create the link between canonical and pseudonym, all is left to do is to variant the title still attached to the pseudonym (this one) via replacing the pseudonym by the canonical name in the bottom screen after clicking on "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work". You can also consider that the name on the copyright page is just a type and set directly the artist's name to the correct one and just mention this in the note field.Hauck 16:14, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

As this is the only occurrence (as yet) of the misspelling then I will add a note and change the Map Artist's name. --AndyjMo 16:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


Hello, in this pub you kept "Data from Locus1" in the note and also PVed it. The question is: In this case, what data comes form Locus? Hauck 18:33, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, Yes. I will amend it to say Month and Price from Locus1 (it was a present and they cut the price off the sleeve). --AndyjMo 18:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Re: your "moderator note" question about the cover art. You can add another cover art record by pulling up this publication in "Edit Publication" and clicking the "Add Cover" button in the "Cover Art" section. It will create a new empty "Cover Art" record consisting of three fields: title, date and author(s). You will then be able to populate these fields with "Legends", "1998-10-00" and "Josh Kirby". Ahasuerus 19:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Please don't submit a null edit and use the moderator field to ask questions. If you have a question, you can post it at ISFDB:Help desk. For publications with two covers, you have two options: 1) use one cover as the cover image and manually upload the other cover and link to it in the pub notes (probably the easier); or 2) combine both covers into one image using image editing software and upload that as the cover image as in this example (probably the preferred way). Let us know if you have questions on that. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:33, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Darkenheight II

So you'll laugh. I got out my copy of Darkenheight to make a list of details, and there is the number line, clear as day, at the bottom of the copyright page. So I don't know what the heck I did when writing those notes. I will go fix the entry. Thanks for asking about it. --MartyD 01:05, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Put it down to fat finger problem. Happy New Year. --AndyjMo 17:45, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Very minor addition to Dragon Spawn

I've made a minor addition to the Notes for Dragon Spawn - changed "Date from as of 2016-11-10" to "Exact publication date 2016-12-06 per as of 2016-11-10 and archived publisher’s site." BungalowBarbara 00:22, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Fine by me. I have found that sometimes the publishing date from Amazon is earlier than the actual date stated in the copyright. e.g Amazon might say published December 26. 2013, but the actual copyright page will say printed Jan 2014. However in this case both book and Amazon match. --AndyjMo 11:18, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

The Fifth Elephant

I have your clone of The Fifth Elephant on hold. There is already a record for the second printing. I don't see anything different from that one. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:02, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Your are right. The reason why I did not spot it is because it has a Publication Date of 2000-00-00. As this is the 2nd printing then shouldn't the date be date unknown? There is nothing on the copyright page to say it was actually printed in 2000. --AndyjMo 17:14, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Unless there was a secondary source though that should have been noted. You can ask AliHarlow if he knows the source (BLongley is no longer with us). If not, I would change the date to 0000-00-00. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents

I accepted your edit to The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents, but added a note that the publication month was from Locus based on your post at User talk:Holmesd. Information from secondary sources should always be stated in the notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:32, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. My mistake. --AndyjMo 16:05, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


Hello Andy,

Unless the edit adds a cover artist previously not known please be aware of the note at the top of my talk page viz:

You do not need to inform me about the addition/import of contents, other prices or publication details from Locus - just go ahead and amend the record as necessary.

You don't need to inform me about the minor changes above. --Mavmaramis 16:52, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

The Silver Locusts

I added the cover artist to The Silver Locusts and a note explaining the source of the information to your verified pub. Bob 18:12, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Those Who Walk in Darkness

Approved your edit for [this], as to the note: Locus does have a record for an 2003 edition, the hardcover. What has happened here is that Warner simply forgot to add a line to the copyright page for the paperback [it happens]. My suggestion would be to add, after the first line in the notes "[refers to hardcover edition]" and then move the existing note about Locus giving the date for the paperback as 2005 up directly below that [gives a continuity]. I'd leave out any reference to amazon, but that's just me knowing their bibliographic worth is less than zero, up to you. But a clone isn't necessary. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:15, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Princess of Wands

I left a response to your message at User talk:Marc Kupper#Princess of Wands. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:31, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Andy, Looks like you've replaced the scan, so I don't see Marc's name there any more, but I'd swear that it was on there before. Perhaps I was mistaken and I apologise to both of you. If there's a way to look at the old file, I don't know how to do it. In any case, things look good now, and it seems clear that of the three covers discussed in the title description, we're missing the first one since the book itself has never been added to the database. JackSjmathis 14:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I looked through the submissions and found that Kevin Pulliam (user:Kpulliam) was the one that did much of the initial work on the images. He's also the one that created the note on the Princess of Wands title record about the various covers. His name is sort of similar to mine and so that may be how the confusion came up. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:59, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
In terms of "look at the old file" I see for 148911
The same painting was used for all three versions but the first two had white text for the lettering while the AndyjMo version has embossed metallic lettering. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:59, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

The Iron Wyrm Affair

You have verified The Iron Wyrm Affair with cover art as by Craig White. BungalowBarbara has verified the US version as cover art by Craig White and Shirley Green. It is the same cover art and you both quote similar credit statements ("Cover illustrations by Craig White. Cover photos by Shirley Green"). Based on that, the credit should be handled the same. I'll point BungalowBarbara to this discussion. If you two could agree on how it should be handled, I would appreciate it. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:21, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

I've added Shirley Green to the list of Cover Artists. --AndyjMo 13:45, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good! Thanks! BungalowBarbara 21:16, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Rosemary and Rue

Hi, In your verified Rosemary and Rue you either have your currency wrong (DAW will be in US$) or your publisher :) Annie 03:14, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

It's the currency which is wrong. Thanks. --AndyjMo 09:25, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Inside Outside

Added a couple of minor notes to [this] and noticed something very odd on the copyright page. The copy I have was "made and printed in USA by Offset Paperbacks". I have several hundred Corgi editions and have never seen this before. Is your copy the same? --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes. I have the same text - in bold print it seems. --AndyjMo 16:16, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)


I added some notes to your verified copy of Psykosis. MLB 04:32, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

And to your verified copy of Chaos Come Again. MLB 04:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Acccelerando clone

For your proposed clone of Accelerando, it has a date of 2006-06-00, but the pub notes cite:

•"This paperback edition published in June 2006 by Orbit"
•"Reprinted 2006, 2007"

That's suggesting a third printing and a date of 2007-00-00 (a 2006 book wouldn't have a statement about a 2007 reprinting in it). Is there any other date information, or is that reprinting statement all that is available? Thanks. --MartyD 21:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, the publishing date should be 2007-00-00. Mea culpa. --AndyjMo 21:35, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
No problem. I accepted the submission and changed it. --MartyD 21:51, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

The Keys to Paradise

I accepted The Keys to Paradise, but changed the date to 1986-00-00 based on your note "Second impression 1986". The July date is for the first printing. I assume the ISBN is stated on the cover? Either way, probably should update the existing note regarding the ISBN on the copyright page as it doesn't say how the correct ISBN is known. And regarding your question, to add an alternate title:

  1. Edit the publication & add the new title
  2. Use "Remove Titles From This Pub" to remove the incorrect one
  3. Variant the new title to the old title

It will take three separate edits. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:59, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Date was my mistake. I've added a note about the actual ISBN. Alternate Title added. --AndyjMo 13:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

A Wizard in a Feud

I have replaced the Amazon image for this pub with a scanned image. Doug H 14:16, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Masque World

I have your edit to Masque World on hold. You describe the edit as a typo correction, but the only change I see is changing "the artwork also has his initials" to "the artwork also has initials". The existing wording is actual better as it is more specific about whose initials. Am I missing something else? -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Sigh. You are absolutely correct. I must go and get some new glasses. Sorry. --AndyjMo 13:37, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

"The Green Hills of Earth", by Robert Heinlein

I added the (apparent) contents to your verified publication. If this edition of the book includes the introductory essay "Robert A. Heinlein: An Appreciation", as most of these editions do, it would need to be added separately. If you can, I encourage you to verify these contents, add that essay if necessary, and add page numbers -- which I couldn't do. Chavey 12:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

I've added the page numbers. My copy does not include the introductory essay. The Cover Artist's name is Davies but the first name is covered up by the Price. --AndyjMo 16:16, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

The Shadow of Saganami

Hello, I've approved this pub but you gave in your submission a "2005-10-01" date and indicate ""Third paperback printing, August 2007"", so I've changed the dates accordingly. Hauck 15:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I seem to remember changing the date and the ISBN (to a 13-digit number). When I first clicked on the clone button I noticed that the ISBN had reverted to the 10-digit number so I rejected my change and updated the ISBN, but I did not re-check the date. I know that I was checking something else while I was cloning the novel so maybe when I moved away from the page some changes were lost. --AndyjMo 16:41, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


Hello, to the best of my knowledge we do not add (illustrations) in the title of an INTERIORART record (it's quite tautologic). IIRC, the only usual extension is (maps). By using your own conventions, you're creating duplicates like this record which is likely the same as that one.Hauck 06:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I've removed the (illustrations) suffix. --AndyjMo 09:16, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

The Age of Chaos

Can you verify that your recent submission for The Age of Chaos is not duplicating this existing record? Thanks, Albinoflea 00:12, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

I can't see the recent submission link as it requires moderator permissions. However if my submission is this one then it is not a duplicate of this existing record as my copy states that it was reprinted in 1989. --AndyjMo 06:36, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

The Day of the Triffids


I have your The Day of the Triffids on hold. We already have a record for a 1963 reprint of that one The Day of the Triffids. I understand that there are two reprints but how do they differ? And why aren't you taking over and verifying the already existing record? Are you planning to send another update to differentiate the two records? Or is it a different cover? Thanks! Annie 15:27, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

I think that the problem is whether the existing record is the second or first printing in 1963. My copy explicitly states that it is the second printing in 1963. I assumed that the statement 1963 reprint in the existing record meant that it was the first printing in 1963. There are no obvious differences between the existing record and my copy (same Price, Page Count and Cover). The Printing History in my copy indicates that there were 2 print runs in 1963. If you like I could take over the existing record and wait until someone turns up with a copy which does not have the 1963 (twice) line in the Printing History. What would you like me to do? --AndyjMo 15:52, 30 June 2017 (EDT)
So let's do that - as you know yours is the second one, I will let your update go through as a new publication - and will add notes to yours that this is the second 1963 reprint and to the other one that it is the first? What do you think? Annie 16:01, 30 June 2017 (EDT)
And done. Feel free to reorder the notes if you want to. Annie 16:09, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

Latest updates and verifiers


I approved the last 3 updates as they were relatively minor but can you make sure you notify the rest of the verifiers? Thanks! Annie 18:31, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

I've notified the previous verifiers. However I would like to point out that I had sent queries to all the verifiers about the changes but I never received any reply (positive or negative). --AndyjMo 05:59, 1 July 2017 (EDT)
Some people just read the notifications and do not respond unless if they disagree. Thanks for posting them. If no one responds, then I would assume they are obey with the changes. :)Annie 06:08, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

Paddy's Pot of Gold


I have your latest submission on hold - is that really a different publication from the one you had verified? You have the same ISBN in both but different publishers. Thanks for checking! Annie 13:02, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

I was trying to add the Hardcover edition published by Viking. I have the paperback edition, which I added as a New Title. I started to add the Hardcover edition (based on Amazon) and then decided to wait until the paperback record was approved. I thought I had cancelled the hardcover update, but it looks as though I did not. Please reject this submission and I will add the hardcover record later. --AndyjMo 13:08, 28 July 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for the quick answer. Done. Annie 13:10, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

Paddy's Pot of Gold

At 96 & 94 pages, these books seem more likely to be chapbooks containing shortfiction than novels. See Template:TitleFields:Length. Especially given they are juveniles which usually have larger print / spacing. How does your verified one look? -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:55, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

The Paperback version is a properly bound book. It does have only 94 pages which I suppose classes it as a novella. The print size and spacing are normal (i.e not large). If you think that this classifies it as a CHAPBOOK then I will change both records accordingly. --AndyjMo 10:04, 29 July 2017 (EDT)
I'll leave it to you to decide since you have the pub. If you have the patience for it, you can do a rough word count (count the number of words in several random lines, count the number of lines on several random pages, use the averages to calculate the word count, accounting for blank and partial pages). Personally, I never have the patience for that. ;-) -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:16, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

The King of the (Copper?) Mountains

Hello, I've approved your submission but the result is not very satisfying. Can you confirm the title of the book? Thanks. Hauck 12:24, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

You are right. The Title is "King of the Copper Mountains". I will correct it with forth. --AndyjMo 12:54, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

New Treasure Seekers

In accepting your cover addition to New Treasure Seekers, I noticed that you list cover credit in the notes, but not in the publication record. Was that an oversight? -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:27, 30 July 2017 (EDT)

Are you saying that I should list the Cover Artist as Mike Leale as he is credited with taking the photograph? I know that Cover Designers are excluded from the Cover Artist slot. As this was a photograph from the TV Series then I was not sure who 'produced' the image - the photographer or the TV company. --AndyjMo 05:59, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
We credit the actual artist. The photographer is the one who took the actual picture so they would be the artist. We don't credit who designed, arranged, produced, etc. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:45, 31 July 2017 (EDT)
OK, I'll add him to the Cover artist. --AndyjMo 08:49, 31 July 2017 (EDT)

The Happy Prince and other stories

Hi. I was going to accept your The Happy Prince and other stories submission with the proviso that "other stories" should be capitalized -- "Other Stories" -- according to ISFDB standards. But in doing a little further digging, I noticed in the Look Inside on Amazon that the contents seem to be the same as for the Puffin pubs under this title. So I've put your submission on hold. Would you rather clone one of those instead of doing the import, edits, and what looks to me like will be a merge of the container? I'm happy to go whichever way you'd prefer. Thanks. --MartyD 20:30, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

The reason why I did not capitalize "other stories" is that is the way it is displayed on the Title page. I will clone one of the existing records and cancel the previous submission. --AndyjMo 05:45, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
The old " it appears on the title page, EXCEPT..." strikes again. --MartyD 08:16, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

The Identity Matrix

The Identity Matrix - I expanded the note "Cover art by Dawn Wilson" to

"Cover art by Dawn Wilson" on the copyright page. The artwork is signed "Wilson" in the lower-right corner. There's a faint "©85" under the artist's signature.

--Marc Kupper 18:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

Faint is definitely the word I would use as well. I've just added the Copyright statement to the record. --AndyjMo 10:33, 24 August 2017 (EDT)

Body Work

I have your addition of Body Work on hold. This appears to be a graphic novel? Graphic novels are outside the scope of ISFDB. We make limited exceptions for significant genre authors (but that is even more tightly drawn than the non-genre threshold one). This doesn't seem the case here. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:16, 30 August 2017 (EDT)

Yes, it is a graphic novel. It is in the same world as Rivers of London so I assumed that it could be included. If this is not included then I believe that the Hollows Graphic Novels Blood Crime and Blood Work should now be removed. --AndyjMo 17:23, 30 August 2017 (EDT)
Kim Harrison is a significantly more well known author than Ben Aaronovitch and Andrew Cartmel. The threshold is based on the author, not on the series. While I would not include those, a case could be made for it so I would not unilaterally delete. I don't see the same case here so I have gone ahead and rejected. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:54, 30 August 2017 (EDT)

A Wizard in Mind

I've replaced the Amazon image with a scanned image for this pub. Doug H 23:51, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

Do Androids 72' Panther Edition

Hi, Andy, I see you're the most recent primary verifier of this edition so I thought I'd confirm with you that I contacted Michael McInnerney via email yesterday. He confirmed that the cover art was his which I was thrilled to hear as I've been looking for the cover artist for years. Collectible Science Fiction 17:37, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for letting me know. --AndyjMo 05:23, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

The Labyrinth Makers

When you say The Labyrinth Makers is a spy novel, are there any genre elements are is clearly non=genre? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:59, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

It is some time ago that I actually read it but it is part of a series of 19 spy stories written by Anthony Price. The synopsis on the back cover reads "THE LABYRINTH MAKERS marks the debut of two of the great characters of spy fiction: Dr Audley and Colonel Butler, as Audley reluctantly takes charge of an investigation into why the Russians are so interested in the newly-discovered wreckage of a wartime aircraft. All too soon, he turns up answers that Intelligence were hoping not to hear - and a very fresh corpse". I don't believe that the plot involves fantasy, magic or aliens.
There is another title for Anthony Price For the Good of the State. Again this is 'only' a spy story: "David Audley had been playing clever politics again in Research and Development - but Henry Jaggard of British Intelligence had a way to bring him to heel. The KGB was operating against a dissident Polish group in Britain. Jaggard couldn't move against them without endangering his best man in the Russian Embassy. That was where Audley came in. Jaggard's brilliant but eccentric 'friend' and sparring partner could be relied upon to overstep the mark against the KGB. As one of his own men would be looking over Audley's shoulder, Jaggard would be in a position to chasten two birds with one irrefutable stone"
I have not read the 2 short stories by Anthony Price but they do seem to be in the 'horror' genre. My recommendation would be to delete the 2 novels. --AndyjMo 05:20, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
Deleted. Thanks for the info. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:14, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Amtrak Wars: First Family

Hi, the cover artist of this is Tony Roberts, the art is in Heroic Dreams, p108. Horzel 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)


The cover artist of Pilgrimage is Michael Leonard, the original art can be found on the artist's site (use the slider). Horzel 17:35, 24 October 2017 (EDT)

21 Stories (Graham Greene)

I've added synopses and (where applicable) nongenre flags to the stories in your verified publication 21 Stories.--Vasha 06:08, 9 November 2017 (EST)

Minor change to Once Broken Faith

Hi, I have made a minor addition to your verified copy of Once Broken Faith. I have imported the "dingbat" for the novella "Dreams and Slumbers," which turns out to be different than the dingbat for the main novel. It seemed pretty safe to assume this would be the same in the British edition as in the USA edition. OK? BungalowBarbara 16:22, 10 November 2017 (EST)

Page denomination for Seeress of Kell

Hi, I've put your submission on hold as you gave the page for the map as [6], whereas the publication has no unopaginted ([]) pages before the beginning of numbering. Which one is correct? Stonecreek 23:57, 13 November 2017 (EST)

The actual novel starts on numbered Page 9. The eight pages prior to that are not numbered. The map starts on actual (unnumbered) Page 6. Should I therefore label the map as starting on Page 6 (without the square brackets)? --AndyjMo 05:40, 14 November 2017 (EST)
Sure, the bracketed page numbering is for extra unnumbered pages that aren't part of the whole page count. For example Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1, as stated in the help pages. I'll accept the submission and change accordingly. Stonecreek 08:59, 14 November 2017 (EST)

Publisher name

Hello, in your submission of The Day of the Dissonance you want to change Orbit and create a new publisher Futura/Orbit, but there is already another publisher called Orbit / Futura. Could it be the same? Rudolf Rudam 05:06, 19 November 2017 (EST)

'Orbit / Futura' is fine. The Copyright page says "A Futura Book", published by "Futura Publications". "Futura Publications is a Division of MacDonald & Co (Publishers)". The Orbit logo is on the front cover and the spine. Back cover states "FUTURA PUBLICATIONS. AN ORBIT BOOK". --AndyjMo 06:04, 19 November 2017 (EST)
I'll approve the submission and you can change it, if you like. Rudolf Rudam 07:42, 19 November 2017 (EST)

Spacehawk, Inc.

Just a quick clarification regarding this submission and the change in the page number for the interior art (and as we have a lot of verifiers already, I want to make sure the change is not in error actually). What is the first numbered page in the book? Just as a reminder this is the wiki page with the explanation of how numbering works. Thanks for looking into this! Annie 14:54, 21 November 2017 (EST)

The first numbered page in the book is Page 5 which is for Chapter 1. Prior to that there are 4 unnumbered pages. Page 1 (this is the first page of the book after the cover) contains a description of the novel, Page 2 contains the Drawing, Page 3 is the Title Page, and Page 4 is the copyright page. My understanding of the rules for page numbering is that you only use square brackets if the pages are outside a numbered sequence. For the Drawing to have Page number [2] then Chapter 1 would have to be Page 1 and the page count at the top of the record would be [5]+160. Is my understanding correct? --AndyjMo 06:11, 22 November 2017 (EST)
I suspect you are looking at this part of the rules: "If the page is not numbered, and is within a range of numbered pages (i.e. the pages which follow the first numbered page within a publication), its page number can be derived from the nearest numbered page.". See the part in the brackets (bold from me) -- this is before the first numbered so I do not think that it is considered as part of a numbered sequence. So if the novel starts on page 5, the number of pages would be [4]+160 (for example). Which is consistent with how it is now - and we have a lot of verifiers on this one. And I am well aware that it is not consistently applied - I would not have even stopped by to ask you what you mean if we did not have the verifiers here.
If you would like, you can start a thread over in the Community boards and see what everyone else is thinking and what should the reading of this rule really be? Annie 13:18, 22 November 2017 (EST)
I've started a thread on the Help pages as your ruling is the complete opposite to the message I received when I amended the Seeress of Kell - see a couple of messages above this one. --AndyjMo 16:36, 22 November 2017 (EST)
It was an opinion, not a ruling :) As I said - if there were no other verifiers, I would have just approved it. Annie 16:58, 22 November 2017 (EST)
Sorry, it was not getting at you. I was just following what I was told by a previous moderator. --AndyjMo 17:03, 22 November 2017 (EST)
Nah, I did not take it personally - don't worry. I appreciate all the work everyone is doing - and when something is unclear, we need to clarify it to make it easier for the new editors (and for the old ones of course). I would rather see these things fixed in the docs than ending up with a lot of tribal knowledge that new editors cannot find anywhere. Annie 17:05, 22 November 2017 (EST)
A comment from the Help page thread seems to suggest that the page number of the Drawing should be 2 - without square brackets. --AndyjMo 05:30, 24 November 2017 (EST)
Approved. I would drop a note on the other verifiers' pages (just in case) if I was you :) I think we need either to change this wording or something else but that can be handled. Annie 11:09, 27 November 2017 (EST)

Minor change to Something From the Nightside

I made a minor addition to the Notes for Something From the Nightside - the line that says Note: Top of spine, top right of inside cover, and bottom of title page all have a special “Ace Books” logo that also includes “2003” over “50th Anniversary.” BungalowBarbara 00:40, 23 November 2017 (EST)

Thanks. I've modified it slightly as the information is on the top left of the inside cover (or it is on my copy). I've also added the same note to Agents of Light and Darkness. --AndyjMo 11:41, 23 November 2017 (EST)
Thanks for the correction, it is on the left side. Oops! BungalowBarbara 14:57, 23 November 2017 (EST)

The Ivanhoe Gambit

Cover artist of this is Mark Harrison, see Mark Harrison's Dreamlands. Horzel 04:13, 8 December 2017 (EST)

Demon's Law

Cover artist of this is Mark Harrison, see Dreamlands. Same for Magician's Law. Horzel 14:04, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Lady of Misrule

Regarding this submission: I assumed the contents of "Note to Moderator" field were supposed to be in the publication notes field instead. I accepted the edit and then update the pub with those notes. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:59, 27 December 2017 (EST)

A senior moment on my part. Your assumptions were correct. Thank you. --AndyjMo 16:10, 27 December 2017 (EST)

Request to change Fire Touched by Patricia Briggs

Hi! I have verified two USA editions of Fire Touched by Patricia Briggs - the hardcover and the ebook. The map is listed in them as The Tri-Cities (map for Fire Touched). I see that you have verified the UK trade paperback version and listed the map as Fire Touched (map). I have used Amazon look-inside to view the USA Kindle version and the UK Kindle version (there was no look-inside for UK print version). The maps appear to be identical. Would it be OK if we merged these?

I think the simplest way to do that would be to delete the map from your version and import the map from the USA versions, if that is OK. If we go the other way around, we will need to clear it with the other verifier of the USA hardcover edition, Ofearna. That would work too. As far as I can tell, both versions of the name for the map are equally acceptable by ISFDB standards. BungalowBarbara 23:49, 27 February 2018 (EST)

I've changed the title of the Map. --AndyjMo 06:06, 28 February 2018 (EST)
Thanks! BungalowBarbara 17:18, 2 March 2018 (EST)

The Hall of the Mountain King (map)

Should The Hall of the Mountain King (map) be INTERIORART instead of SHORTFICTION? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Same with The Scions of Shannara (map) . -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:47, 4 March 2018 (EST)
You are right in both cases. Records changed. --AndyjMo 16:11, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Name changes

Hello, I ignore if you know this, but when you change the author of a publication (e.g. from "Clifford D. Simak" to "Clifford Simak") there is some followup work to do: 1) unmerge the resulting publication (with the "new" name) from the initial title record, 2) variant this newly obtained title with the initial one, and 3) & 4) repeat this for all the texts if the book is a COLLECTION. Extra caution must be taken if the "new" author/title couple already exists (they must be merged instead of being varianted). I've done this for you, the result looking thus like this. Thanks for spotting this mistake. We're having middle initial problems with this author and some others like Aldiss, that are slowly corrected (with your input, I was also able to correct my own mistake for the 1st 4S printing). Hauck 06:44, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

I didn't know this (gulp!). I'm currently re-working my way through my collection so I have about another 20 Simak's to go, so there might be others which need changing. I will see how I get on. --AndyjMo 06:55, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

The Claw of the Conciliator

Changed page count of your verified 142921 from 303 to 301 since that is the extent of the novel and added a publication note about the essay on page 303.--AliHarlow 07:28, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

The Moderator strikes back! --AndyjMo 17:42, 18 April 2018 (EDT)
Yes, because we don't limit the page count to the xrent of the novel, but also include other noteworthy material into it (blank pages & ad pages at the end should be excluded from it, of course. See the help pagesfor details. Stonecreek 03:20, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

The Citadel of the Autarch


Can you discuss the date change here with the other PVs? While Goodreads have some good information, relying only on them without even discussing with the PVs that have books at hand may end up to populating to replicating an error from another site. Annie 14:49, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

I've resubmitted my update with the Publication Date unchanged - just a note to say that the source of the Publication Month is unknown. --AndyjMo 05:31, 24 April 2018 (EDT)
Approved the new one, rejected the old one. Just FYI - you can cancel your own submission even when a moderator has it on hold :) Annie 14:16, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

Moving external identifiers

When moving the LCCN, OCLC and other critters, make sure you do not drop information - for example in this one, you dropped "LCCN on copyright page" (I've added it back). If you are the sole verifier, it is your choice if and how to add this. But if you are changing a book that someone else had verified, it is their choice if they want to record any information about what is and what is not on the copyright page and when moving data between fields, we should not be losing parts of it. Thanks! PS: And that was the only one that dropped something, I suspect it was a copy/paste mishap or something along these lines. Still - heads up :) Thanks for moving some of those! Annie 21:08, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

Sometimes it is difficult to know if the previous editor has just listed the LCCN as a Note (after searching the database) or copied it from the copyright page. Before the External ID fields were made available there seemed to be a mix of external IDs as text and as links. In the past I have been 'told off' by a moderator for using the code LCCN in a Note. They insisted that if I included text from a Copyright page then it should match the exact text. Most references in Copyright pages use "Library of Congress Catalog Card Number" or "Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data". So if the LCCN was listed as text should I leave it alone when I move it to the External IDs field? --AndyjMo 04:41, 25 April 2018 (EDT)
That depends. I look at the whole message - does it have other redundant data (ISBN, Cover artist name and so on) that is also in other fields? Does it look like someone copied the complete copyright data? Is it part of a pattern in the note? Do you need the number there for a sentence to make sense (think of things like corrected LCCNs). If yes, then I just get the link out but leave it as text. If it says that the LCCN is from the copyright page, it really depends on what else is in the message. When I am not sure, I leave it in the text - it does not hurt anything. More often than not, it is a free standing line and nothing else in the message comes from the copyright page.
In this case above, it was not the number itself, it was the whole statement that it is on the copyright page. Thus me pinging you. Annie 13:29, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

Quick note about the moderator notes


Don't forget that when you are using any kind of html in the moderator note, the page will render it and not just show it. So when you type <br>, it makes a new line :) Which is why when I am moving IDs around and cleaning br tags, I put in the notes "cleaned br tags" or "cleaned br" and not "cleaned <br>". When moderating, I can look at the raw XML and figure out what you are doing but the verifiers can see only this option from their "changed primary notifications" which is not very informative and looks as if you never finished a sentence. :) Annie 13:34, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

Point taken, thank you. --AndyjMo 07:24, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

Minor additions to Notes for Magic Binds

Hi, I have made some minor additions to the Notes for [[P|609809|Magic Binds]. Added, 'Publisher note: Title page gives publisher as “ACE” over “New York.” Copyright page states “ACE” over “Published by Berkley” over “An imprint of Penguin Random House LLC.”' and "Cover note: title is embossed and in metallic gold ink." BungalowBarbara 16:19, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

The Unfriendly Future cover art

I thought I posted this here already but it seems to have disappeared. I'm nearly 100% sure that the cover of The Unfriendly Future is by Gino D'Achille, because the "gd" initials on the cover match the g and d on his signature on the first image at this link. Yes, it's five years before D'Achille's first credited cover, but he was in London doing other book work (illustrations for Bible stories, etc.) so it's plausible, especially given the initials. I want to know whether that's enough evidence to make the attribution. (I pinged Bluesman too, and he agrees that it's a match.) Mphillips 21:57, 3 June 2018 (EDT)

My only comment is that looking at the John Carter artwork, Dino D'Achille used upper case when he signed the artwork with his initials GD and not lower case gd as is shown on the Unfriendly Future artwork. However I am happy with what Bluesman has put in the Notes. --AndyjMo 04:44, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
I'm not talking about the final John Carter cover art (I know he used his usual cap GD on the final), I'm talking about the rough version that is the first image on the page I linked to. Here's the image by itself, and he uses it here and here too. He signs his name in lowercase, and the g and d match the gd on the Unfriendly Future. Bluesman put his note in before he understood that I was talking about the rough, not the final, John Carter cover. After I pointed out the rough signature, he agreed. But he wanted me to run it by you as well. Mphillips 12:20, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
OK, I'm fine with this. --AndyjMo 17:17, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
Great, thanks! --Mphillips 22:12, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

The Druid of Shannara

Cover artist of this pub Keith Parkinson is verified here. --Zapp 07:27, 4 June 2018 (EDT)

The record does not actually verify the Cover Artist, it just states that the Cover Artist is Keith Parkinson. I would like to see how it was verified. Was there a signature on the artwork? Was the Cover artist listed on the back cover or the copyright page? Is the artwork shown elsewhere with an attribution to Keith Parkinson. --AndyjMo 05:39, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

The Wandering Unicorn

Hi -- could you take a look at The Wandering Unicorn and tell me if the author's name is printed as "Manuel Mujica Láinez" anywhere, especially the title page? I'm about to add the accent mark to the author's name and want to make notes of how it's actually printed in books. --Vasha 10:18, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

On the front cover, spine and title page the author's name is printed "MANUEL MUJICA LAINEZ". On the copyright page it states "Copyright © 1965 by Manuel Mujica Lainez". So there are no accent marks on the name anywhere in the book. --AndyjMo 10:31, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

Bite Club

Adding LCCN, losing the OCLC in the process (on an OCLC-verified publication...). I re-added the OCLC back. Annie 17:00, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Thanks for this. I should have waited until the first update was accepted. I did wonder at the time about whether the second update would be added to the record or, as it happens, replace the last update. --AndyjMo 17:31, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
In this case - replace because the whole set comes in as one. Two updates on the same record are bound to cause troubles so in the future, cancel the older update and do the two changes in a new one if you think you need to edit more :) Annie 17:34, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Minor change & additions to Moonshine

I have made some minor changes to Moonshine. I changed the ISBN to the ISBN-13, as that is what is on the back cover and inside front cover of the copy I have. There is no ISBN on the copyright page. I added a link to the artist’s page, a note about the cover appearnce, and a link giving the exact release date. BungalowBarbara 01:31, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Minor additions to Madhouse

I have made some additions to Madhouse.I added a link to the artist’s page and a link giving the exact release date. BungalowBarbara 01:42, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Cloud Warrior

Cover artist of this is Jim Burns, as can be seen here. The art is also shown in Lightship. Horzel 18:26, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

Minor changes to Magic Slays

I have made some minor changes to the Notes for Magic Slays. I changed "Data from Locus Magazine #607 as of 2012-09-01" to "Mentioned in Locus Magazine #607" because the data given is actually all from the verified book itself. Added "Cover note: Author name & title embossed. Name in metallic light green, title in metallic silver" and a link showing exact publication date. BungalowBarbara 23:45, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

Illustration confirmation

Could you confirm whether the illustration in your copy of The Shepherd's Crown is this Kidby image? Circeus 00:03, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

Six of Swords - cover art by Steve Crisp

Hi, for your verified copy of Six of Swords User:TonyDen claims to have found the cover artist, Steve Crisp. He hasn't responded yet to my suggestion to contact you about it though.--Dirk P Broer 17:46, 25 November 2018 (EST)

Hi. The cover art of the Corgi version looked to be by the same artist as the other books in the series. I found Steve Crisp's online portfolio at and under the fantasy section the image is available for viewing. I hope this will suffice? TonyDen 22:35, 27 November 2018 (EST)

Amtrak Wars

Cover artist for this is Jum Burns, see page 117 of Lightship. The note regarding cover artist for this record is incorrect. --Mavmaramis 22:53, 27 July 2019 (EDT)

Guardians of the West

Hello Andy, I've added the cover artist. Regards Henna 12:16, 20 August 2019 (EDT) The same for King of the Murgos

All Judgment Fled

Cover artist of this is Bruce Pennington, according to the checklist in Pennington: A Portrait of a Master Fantasy Artist. Horzel 04:20, 15 November 2019 (EST)

The Earth War

Based on the word count of the Project Gutenberg version of this text (just under 39K words), which we have both primary-verified, I have converted the publication record from a NOVEL to a CHAPBOOK. I have also converted the title record from a NOVEL to a SHORTFICTION novella and merged the titles with their existing counterparts. Ahasuerus 11:06, 30 January 2020 (EST)

Julian Jay Svarain

Cover art for this and this are by Joe Petagno - two halves of the same image identified in this publication --Mavmaramis 08:18, 15 February 2020 (EST)

Steeleye: The Wideways

Hi, the cover artist of this is indeed Jim Burns, the art is shown and credited in Heavy Metal, March 1980. Horzel 18:05, 21 February 2020 (EST)

The Zap Gun - PKD

I've corrected the date, publisher and added to the notes here. Kev. BanjoKev 23:12, 27 March 2020 (EDT)

Soldier, Ask Not

Tony Roberts is the cover artist of this, he states in the SF artist interview in Science Fiction Monthly, November 1975 that "I've just finished the covers for Gordon Dickson's Dorsai trilogy". While this title is not explicitly mentioned, Sphere published "Soldier, Ask Not" with the text "The second in the Dorsai trilogy" on the cover. Horzel 09:37, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

Little Fuzzy

Cover artist of this is Wayne Anderson, see which has sold the original art. Horzel 19:18, 31 October 2020 (EDT)

The Blue World

Cover artist of this is of course Gino D'Achille, his signature can be seen on the original art as shown on the backcover of Russ Cochran's Comic Art Auction #81 (lower left corner, signature GA). Horzel 17:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)


Hi, Simona D'Achille has checked the archives and confirmed by email that her father Gino D'Achille painted the cover art of Robert Sheckley - Options. Horzel 15:59, 26 January 2021 (EST)

Imprint/Publisher for The Tolkien Companion

Hi. I accepted an edit to your verified The Tolkien Companion, changing the publisher credit from "Picador" to "Picador / Pan Books", as this seemed to match the notes about the statement of publication. If you see this, please review. I am notifying the other PVs (all inactive) as well. --MartyD 11:38, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

he Ships of Earth (map)

Added title notes to The Ships of Earth (map) John Scifibones17:52, 8 May 2021 (EDT)


I've uploaded a full wraparound cover for this. I'm going to add some notes viz "Price zone seems to have been overprinted in black (& white lettering)" and there appears to be text on the "wall" of the arena - EXTR[ ] AG [ ] Z ? O - what significance this lettering has I have no idea the [ ] indicates letters blocked by the two poles on back cover. Artist is likely to be the same one who did the cover art for this Laumer book but I wouldn't like to speculate except to say that it is almost certainly not Patrick Woodroffe. --Mavmaramis 14:31, 5 July 2021 (EDT)

Prison of Night

Cover art for this confirmed as Fred Gambino to me via Twitter. --Mavmaramis 13:10, 22 July 2021 (EDT)

The Man Who Owned the World

Full name of the cover artist of this is Neil Boyle, see Stranger in a Strange Land with same cover art. Horzel 17:39, 17 August 2021 (EDT)

The Green Millennium

Note for this about possible signiature. I agree it does initially look like a signiatire - 'Hillis' - but scanned at 1200dpi I believe that it is in fact part of the artwork. I'll retain the note but add my own thoughts on the matter. --Mavmaramis 13:13, 7 October 2021 (EDT)

Ocean on Top

Note for this states "no visible signature on the artwork" - in fact there is one (Bergen) left hand side under submarine above sphere logo. --Mavmaramis 13:20, 7 October 2021 (EDT)

Chaining the Lady

Cover art for this confirmed as by Fred Gambino to me via Twitter. --Mavmaramis 12:02, 10 December 2021 (EST)

Citizen in Space

According to Bruce Pennington's Facebook page the cover of this is by him not Ronald Ferns. See here --Mavmaramis 02:49, 20 February 2022 (EST)

New Writings in SF 28

Cover art for this is almost certanly Joe Petagno comparing it to other covers featuring his work. --Mavmaramis 11:58, 12 May 2022 (EDT)


Picked up a copy of this. Notes on record state "The price zone on back cover seems to have been overprinted." not entirely sure what this means. On my copy these are printed on a thin (like 1") gold band at bottom of rear cover. I don't believe for a moment the cover artist is Chris Achilleos - looks nothing like his 1970s style at all - no visible signiature either. I'm not going to remove any notes, merely edit to reflect the publication I have in my hand. --Mavmaramis 12:30, 14 June 2022 (EDT)

The Stealer of Souls and other stories

Cover art of this is Bob Haberfield, according to Michael Moorcock at Please see explanation at community portal</A>. Horzel 15:19, 29 June 2022 (EDT)

The Dragon

Cover art for this is Mick van Houten. He told me by email he'd done the covers for all four of the Orbit/Futura editions. --Mavmaramis 15:35, 7 July 2022 (EDT)


Cover art for this is Peter Tybus. Same image as Les goulags mous --Mavmaramis 11:48, 26 July 2022 (EDT)

The Once and Future King

Cover artist for this is William Hatherell. It's titled The Rescue of Guinevere and dated 1910. See wikipedia. --Mavmaramis 11:56, 26 July 2022 (EDT)

New Writings in SF-18

Cover artist of this is Dean Ellis, see grapefruitmoongallery. Horzel 18:07, 16 August 2022 (EDT)

Farmer in the Sky

Cover artist for this is Edward Mortelmans. Credited in Rayguns & Rocketships. --Mavmaramis (talk) 12:14, 29 November 2022 (EST)

Miéville - Perdido Street Station - map

Retitling the map, in accordance with Help guidelines, here. Inputting pub date too. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 13:40, 8 January 2023 (EST)

Masks of the Martyrs

Cover art for this is Mark Harrison. See here and also pp.52-53 of Dreamlands --Mavmaramis (talk) 15:26, 3 June 2023 (EDT)