User talk:Allynh

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Hello, Allynh, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Ahasuerus 15:53, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Ray Brown and R. D. Brown

I tracked down the stories by the author Ray Brown and in the process I believe that R. D. Brown is the alternative name of Ray Brown on these two stories.

Title: Fear Therapy & Incontinence
Author: Ray Brown This story is listed as by R. D. Brown on title page 83. The contents page lists him as Ray Brown.
Year: 1980
Type: SHORTFICTION
User Rating: This title has fewer than 5 votes. VOTE
Popular Tags: None Add Tags
Publications:

Amazing Stories, November 1980, (Nov 1980, Elinor Mavor, Ultimate Publishing Co., Inc., $1.50, 132pp, Digest, magazine) Cover: Dean Ellis - [VERIFIED]
Bibliographic Warnings:

Missing ISBN/Catalog #: Amazing Stories, November 1980 (1980-11-00)

On page 93 in the bio about the story, they have the author as by Ray Brown. He mentions an earlier story "Prosthesis". I looked up R. D. Brown and the following title came up.

Biography: Bio:R. D. Brown
Bibliographic Comments: Author:R. D. Brown
Shortfiction

Prosthesis (1979)

Title: Prosthesis
Author: R. D. Brown Ray Brown as by R. D. Brown
Year: 1979
Type: SHORTFICTION
User Rating: This title has fewer than 5 votes. VOTE
Popular Tags: None Add Tags
Publications:

Amazing Stories, November 1979, (Nov 1979, Omar Gohagen, Ultimate Publishing Co., Inc., ISSN 0164-7687, $1.50, 132pp, Digest, magazine) Cover: Elinor Mavor - [VERIFIED]
Bibliographic Warnings:

None.

I've ordered a copy of the magazine, so I'll know more once it has arrived. Let me know if you need more information. --Allynh 18:42, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I will make "R. D. Brown" into a pseudonym of "Ray Brown" :) Ahasuerus 18:57, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Awesome. Thanks...--Allynh 03:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Mutiny in the Time Machine

Thanks for the submission! I have approved it and massaged the data a bit since a Library of Congress number (LCCN) is not the same as a catalog ID and goes in the Notes field. Also, "Donald Keith" is a collaborative pseudonym and there was a sequel, but I have to run and will set everything up tomorrow :) Ahasuerus 04:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, hah, I'd missed the link on the, Help:Screen:NewNovel page,showing what each field holds.
I will add the next book in the series, and we can figure stuff out from there.--Allynh 03:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I have approved the addition, thanks! Quick question: is the stated price really $2.97 or is it $2.95 as Tuck (see Sources of Bibliographic Information#General Bibliographies) suggests?
P.S. I will explain how to set up variant titles for pseudonymous books tomorrow as it is getting late tonight. Ahasuerus 05:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
As far as setting up "variant titles" goes, we have a detailed description at Help:Screen:MakeVariant. Since these are brand new records that didn't exist in the ISFDB previously, all you have to do is pull each one up at the Title level, one at a time -- i.e. this record and this record -- and click on "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" under "Editing Tools" in the navigation bar on the left. (Ignore the "Parent #" field up top since it can only be used if the parent title already exists.) Change "Author1" to "Keith Monroe", then click on "Add Author", enter "Donald Monroe" and click on "Create New Parent Title". Rinse and repeat for the other book and that should be it! Ahasuerus 01:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
If you want to try more of the features you can also go to the Title records for those books and make them a series. Go to this record and this record and click on Edit Title Data (3rd under Editing Tools). You will see 2 fields for series. Series which you put the name of the series in and Series Num which you can use to order them. There is already a series called Time Machine so Boys Life Time Machine or Boy Scouts Time Machine are possible. Dana Carson 10:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
That's right, series creation is the next step, but please make sure to go through the variant title process (including moderator approval) first. That way you will organize the two newly created records (by "Donald Monroe" and "Keith Monroe") into a series as opposed to using the pseudonymous titles. Ahasuerus 16:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I should have been clearer. Series is after the getting the book fully entered complete with pseudonym info. I had those books mumble years ago. Thought I remembered a third one. Did a google and found:

Boy Scouts of America 1967 1st serial Softbound Joe Cleary, illus Good This adventure is a three part serial in the April, May and June, 1967 issues of Boys' Life magazine. "Rod, Bob and Brains are. Whisked back 100 years to Kansas, a war, and a weird web of mystery surrounding a rich treasure..." The complete adventure in 3 issues, good to very good, all clean, tight, and complete. April has a small square neatly clipped off back cover(coupon? ), and June has a 1 1/2" tear along spine.... (Fiction Boys Life magazine Scouting Boy Scouts Time travel Science fiction Juvenile)

in a listing from Bookfinder and 

TIME MACHINE

    * Donald Keith: (stories)
          o The Time Machine Gets Stuck (sl) Boys’ Life Apr 1965
          o The Time Machine Hunts a Treasure (sl) Boys’ Life May, Jun 1967 
    * Keith Monroe: (stories)
          o The Time Machine Saves a Patriot (ss) Boys’ Life Apr 1975
          o The Time Machine Kidnaps a Parade (ss) Boys’ Life Jul 1976

from The FictionMags Index Dana Carson 00:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Very nice, I will set them up! Ahasuerus 00:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
This is the blurb from "Time Machine to the Rescue - 1967"

Bob Tucker and Brains Baynes solemnly promise each other they will never again go near their time machine. So, naturally, they promptly volunteer for the project that forces them both to break the promise. The succession of adventures that follow find them traveling with a young genius of the future to China of the days of Marco Polo, and a swing back to the present.

I can't tell if the stories Dana Carson listed above--April, May, June 1967--are part of this book, or just in the magazine itself. Darn! Oh well, more stuff to track down. Thanks...--Allynh 04:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The 3 part serial is The Time Machine Hunts a Treasure and was never done as a book apparently. Found it on bookfinder.com when I searched for Donald Keith. The seller is selling the 3 issues for $72, it looks like individual issues on ebay are under $5 so if you want to get it looks like thats the way to go. Dana Carson 09:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
As you can see, the search never ends :) I went ahead and set up all the pseudonymous variant titles and series data for the Monroe team -- see Keith Monroe and Donald Monroe. Serials don't play nice with Series at the moment, so I had to leave them alone for now. We'll get all of them organized once our programmer, Al, has time to rewrite the underlying software. Ahasuerus 05:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

@Ahasuerus - Quick question: is the stated price really $2.97 or is it $2.95 as Tuck

I was lucky to get the book with original dust jacket, so I took the price off of that. The first book, "Mutiny..." was missing the dust jacket so I couldn't find a price.

Thanks, I have added a comment explaining that Tuck was wrong. Ahasuerus 00:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I will work through the links and figure out the process you guys described for moving the books into where they belong. Thanks...

Now that I can edit data, I also need to put my project goals on my user page so people can kibitz.--Allynh 22:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Time Machine covers

I've added cover images to your publications Mutiny in the Time Machine and Time Machine to the Rescue. Are they correct? Dana Carson 01:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes! The two covers are exactly what I have. My copies are with and without dust jacket, but both have the printed covers like the old Tom Swift, Hardy Boy's books. Awesome!
I remembered the story from Boy's Life Magazine when I was a kid, and finally tracked them down a few years ago. Luckily I had the ad from one of the old magazines, or I would never have found them. I have the October 1965 issue and the Boy's Life Library ad lists The Boys' Life Book of Outer Space Stories so I'll have to track that down now as well. (Found it on Abebooks, so will order it ASAP. Love the internet used book sellers. I find stuff in minutes rather than decades. Thanks...)
The October 1965 issue has the story "The Amplified Boy" by Dale Colombo. The blurb says that:
Dale Colombo is the pen name which a pair of well-known authors use for the BOYS' LIFE space-travel stories when they write together.
So who knows who the two authors are. There are so many stories like this that no one reprints because they are hidden away in magazines that many kids read long ago, but no one thought to save.--Allynh 04:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Interesting! I can't find the pseudonym either online or in any of my dead tree reference books. I also see that the October 1966 issue of Boys' Life had "Tournament in Space" by Dale Colombo. I'll go ahead and add the two. Thanks! Ahasuerus 04:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Some thoughts on the Keiths, and time

You guys were busy. I shut down to have some apple pie and watch "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull", and found a whole bunch done when I checked back.

I see the Boys' Life stories that you posted, and from the pattern I suspect that "The Time Machine Gets Stuck" as "serial" is the same as "Time Machine to the Rescue" as novel.

Since my issue is October 1965 I suspected that I might have those 1965 issues and I looked in my dresser drawer--where I keep the things I had as a kid--and did not find anymore issues of Boys' Life. I found my marbles while I was looking--they are still safe, in the drawer, in a bag--so at least I have not lost my marbles. I made the mistake of giving my brother back his issues, long ago; he kept nothing from his youth.

Looking at the entries for both authors, I suspect that the third possible Time Machine story is only in the magazine.

Birthdate: 1888
Deathdate: 1972
Used These Alternate Names: Donald Keith
Biography: Bio:Donald Monroe
Bibliographic Comments: Author:Donald Monroe

Birthdate: 1917
Deathdate: 1973
Used These Alternate Names: Donald Keith
Biography: Bio:Keith Monroe
Bibliographic Comments: Author:Keith Monroe

If those dates are right, then I suspect that they both died before the possible third book could be assembled and published. There is an entire story in those dates. The father probably went off to serve in WWI just as the kid was born. Why does it look like the son died in 'Nam soon after his father's death. Who knows if we will ever know, but true or not, such things may end up in a story; some day.

The WWI angle is entirely possible, but there were few American casualties in Vietnam in 1973 (i.e. post-vietnamization and mostly after the peace treaty), so it's quite unlikely that a 55 year old man was among them. The National Archives database of 58,193 KIAs doesn't find anything for "Keith Monroe" either. Still, the fact that the son died so soon after the father makes one wonder if there is a story there... Ahasuerus 23:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

My grandfather was 12 years old in 1888 when he came to America from Wales on a converted sailing ship. So many SF stories were written before the Technological singularity started kicking in, and yet they hang together better than many of the current ones written in the past 30 years. I need to think on that more.

The 1975-76 stories by Keith Monroe were probably inventory stories. Time will tell.--Allynh 11:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Boys' Life, October 1965

Since you entered the data about Dale Colombo I see how you did the Bibliographic Comments, and I will add what I can where it seems to work.

Here is more stuff on the issue I have.

Price: $0.25
Binding: bedsheet
Pages: 88
Issue number: Vol. LV, No. 10
Copyright 1965 by the Boy Scouts of America

The table of contents lists four stories, two look SF, I just can't tell the length.

On Page 16 - The Man Who Made the 21st Century by Isaac Asimov

"This is the fictional biography of a genius--a titan such as da Vinci and Galileo."

The story is about Richard Anthony Hartnett, born in 1965, who went on to develop human brain computer interaction. Brains could be read, illnesses diagnosed, truth or lies clearly seen. The sick minds could be altered using colored light. The study of light led to light sculpture in every home. When he took a trip to the moon he developed large cave systems so that people could fly for exercise rather than use centrifuges for building bone and muscle mass. By 2025 they had explored out to Jupiter.

(Whoa! Some interesting ideas to steal/ReVision, but then Stross has already written a few of them, so I might as well go ahead anyway.)

  • The character "Hartnett" mentioned that flying in the lunar caves was inspired by a 20th Century author, R. A. Heinlein. (Richard Anthony Hartnett - R. A. Heinlein, wink, wink.)

I Googled the character name and came up with these two links, one a review, the other a list of Asmiov stories.

And Page 24 is where - The Amplified Boy by Dale Colombo, is.

There are some fun articles looking at the "future" from 1965. One article is titled "1990". I'll need to read this stuff again.

This has given me the chance to find treasure tucked away and forgotten; and I'm not just talking about my marbles. Thanks...--Allynh 11:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, added! Ahasuerus 23:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Donald Keith author blurb posted

Copied the author blurb to "Bibliographic Comments" for: Donald Keith, Donald Monroe, Keith Monroe, just to be safe.--Allynh 18:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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