https://isfdb.org/wiki/api.php?hidebots=1&urlversion=1&days=3&limit=50&target=ISFDB%3AModerator_noticeboard%2FArchive_25&action=feedrecentchanges&feedformat=atomISFDB - Changes related to "ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard/Archive 25" [en]2024-03-29T11:29:24ZRelated changesMediaWiki 1.35.6https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Rules_and_standards_discussions&diff=682914&oldid=682912Rules and standards discussions2024-03-29T04:23:25Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Baen vs Baen Books publishers redux: </span> Should work</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5926610 This] is the edit that gave me pause. I believe [[User:Username|Username]] refers to the as "luminist" links. The ones he has added all appear to be served from the wasabisys domain. The question would be whether wasabisys has any safeguards to prevent copyright violation, or are they a site that will host files for bad actors. I stopped approving the addition of any links to scans of books under copyright when this topic was raised. I resumed approving links to archive.org once we had consensus to include those, but am hesitant to approve others if we haven't agreed that they are acceptable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:07, 28 March 2024 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5926610 This] is the edit that gave me pause. I believe [[User:Username|Username]] refers to the as "luminist" links. The ones he has added all appear to be served from the wasabisys domain. The question would be whether wasabisys has any safeguards to prevent copyright violation, or are they a site that will host files for bad actors. I stopped approving the addition of any links to scans of books under copyright when this topic was raised. I resumed approving links to archive.org once we had consensus to include those, but am hesitant to approve others if we haven't agreed that they are acceptable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:07, 28 March 2024 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ron Ive just pv'd this and theres a couple of walton's reviews in my copy not in the db contents. my book has a review of "A Canticle for Leibowitz" on p69 and a review of "Dying Inside" on p214. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:14, 26 March 2024 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>
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