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<div>Afternoon! "Lord Tyger" This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LRDTGRFHMM1972]. I added a cover image and artist Robert Pepper. I had another 'Pepper' product recently and it is the same, but I also checked and Willem H. has credited "Robert Pepper" for the same cover, third printing. I did NOT change the notation. Up to you. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 22:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THDFTHTRFD0000] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I added cover credit from signature to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRRRSNHDNGC81973].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Added a cover image and expanded the printing statement slightly for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1090 Great Short Novels of SF]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 03:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Added cover image and printing statement to the notes of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NWDMNSNS41974 New Dimensions IV]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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VT'd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?604037 "The Man With X-Ray Eyes"] by "{{A|Leonard G. Spencer}}", which appears in your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?DRMWRLDFEB1957 ''Dream World, February 1957''], to {{A|Robert Silverberg}} and {{A|Randall Garrett}} as per the [http://24.99.158.33:8080/Garrett/Chronography.htm Randall Garrett Chronography] site. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I added a reprint gutter code to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THNNLDTNTH1966].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:49, 14 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Images to replace broken Amazon link and much expanded notes /content (interior art) for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMNDLPHBA1966 Brains of Earth/Many Worlds of Magnus Ridolph]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 19:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Adding the gutter code 027 to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194197 A Treasury of Great Science Fiction, Volume One]’s notes. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 05:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
I added two interior art credits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WEIRDTFALL1973 Weird Tales, Fall 1973]. I was able to match these pieces to earlier signed or otherwise discerned art in earlier issues. I also added to the note, stating this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I added a cover and several interior art credits to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WEIRDTJAN1954 Weird Tales, January 1954] per a secondary source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 16 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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I added a couple interior art pieces to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WEIRDTMAY1953 this] and I was further able to identify one other previously uncredited piece per Jaffery and Cook's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THCLLCTRSN1985 The Collector's Index to Weird Tales]''. I also wanted to ask if you think we should credit "The Eyrie" to "The Editor". I've been doing that with other issues of ''Weird Tales'' per [http://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#General_contents this help section]: "For example, editorials in magazines were frequently uncredited, or credited to "The Editor"; these should be entered with the Author field set to "The Editor"." In this instance, the column is actually signed "Editor" on page 96. Let me know if you agree, and I'll happily make the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 05:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I also added the Brosnatch interior art for "The Eyrie" to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WEIRDTSEP1953 this issue]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 05:34, 7 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Added some notes and an interior art piece to the contents of [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TGRBTHTLND1961 Tiger by the Tail]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 02:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Scanned in an image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?LLTHTRPSFR1962 All the Traps of Earth]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 04:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Scanned in an image and expanded the notes for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CNTNMBLLHR1975 Continuum 1]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:58, 16 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Same for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CNTNMHRCKS1975 Continuum 3]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 21:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Scanned in an image and added a couple of notes to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NMNDFMNNGP1973 No Mind of Man]] ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:49, 17 January 2010 <br />
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Managed to date [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NRTHLVSNST0000 this]] from the ad on the last page. ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 20:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Afternoon! Unknown. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NKNWN1988]. I added a cover image, [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/33/65/f951c0a398a0028f1bbd0210.L.jpg], after matching it with Tom Kidd's "Kiddography". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 22:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, I've added credit for Arthur Porges as author of the editorial for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTMAY59 this], credit as per the intro to the editorial. [[User:Jonschaper|Jonschaper]] 06:52, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Afternoon! Rocket Stories, April 1953. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RCKTSTAPR1953]. I added this [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/72/a9/80d8c060ada0e6aef9f7f110.L.jpg], after getting a variant version match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". This also tumbled out during the search and is for another without art shown. [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51SnABfpS9L.jpg]. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 19:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Afternoon! Science Fiction Stories, September 1957. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SFSTRBSEP1957]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nuMXZ7R-L.jpg], with notation that it is a cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Afternoon! Science Fiction Stories November 1956. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SFSTRBNOV1956]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51BvmDpUutL.jpg], with notation that is a cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 20:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Morning! Fantastic Universe Dec. 1959 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVDEC1959]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LI6PZ39BL.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Morning! Original Science Fiction Stories, Feb 59. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SFSTRBFEB1959]. I added a cover image, [http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/6d/35/a21090b809a05ba8bc7b6110.L.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:19, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Morning! Fantastic Story Magazine May 53. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FSYMAY53]. I added a cover image, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/2/25/FSYMAY53.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two". Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Morning! Fantastic Universe, Mar 60. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FANTUNIVMAR1960]. I added a cover image, [http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515BPYUeu5L.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two", page 68. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 13:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Afternoon! Science Fiction Quarterly, Aug 57. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SCIFIQAUG1957]. I added a cover image, [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/81/SCIFIQAUG1957.jpg], and notation of cover/artist match in "Emshwiller Infinity X Two", page 68. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:19, 17 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Replaced the FF cover on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42793 The last leap] and modify note. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 11:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added the sub-title to {{p|NWDMNSNSTW1971|New Dimensions 1: Fourteen Original Science Fiction Stories}} plus a cover image. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 07:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Added a cover scan and modified note for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?263249 Assignment in Eternity]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 13:15, 26 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Morning! Added cover image to "The Crash of Empire" [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37581]. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 11:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Found & added the cover artist (Paul Lehr) & note (Jane Frank) to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?103361 You Will Never Be the Same]. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added some artist credits from a secondary source, the column art for "The Eyrie" and the book reviews to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WEIRDTNOV1953 pub]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Replaced the amazon scan on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?13781 First contacts]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:13, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Added covers to your verified Orbit Magazine (all 5) [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186725 here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 17:12, 6 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Good Morning! Magazine/Book series: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TWOSAWIN1950]. I got cross referenced from H&H and decided to add images, OCLC magazine ref., and Tuck III. Also checked Miller/Contento. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 11:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added Russel's (1 page) introduction to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?248741 Somewhere a Voice] Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:04, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1541 The Moon of Skulls]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?42 Time-Lost] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?MLO1181 The Hand of Kane]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?42 Time-Lost] pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SLMNKN5A1970 Solomon Kane]'' to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?42 Time-Lost] pub series. I also added a note about the printing per Chalker and Owings. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:07, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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New Writings in SF3: Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?NWWRTNGSNS1967]. I added cover art, and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1553 Ackermanthology] to replace the Amazon link. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 15:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Morning! Infinity Three [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18237]. I added a cover image and notation that "Jane Frank" identified Steranko as artist, changing 'cover artist source not known'. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 12:18, 20 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added the masthead and column heading interior art for "The Eyrie" to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WEIRDTMAR1953 Weird Tales, March 1953]''. I also added the two uncredited book reviews. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:22, 21 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Corrected the publication date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256758 The Future Is Now] from Locus #104 (January 14, 1972). --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 17:08, 27 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?STRSCNCFCB1972 Star Science Fiction Stories No. 4]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I updated {{p|TNTHSND1973|Ten Thousand Light-Years From Home}} to add "Printed in U.S.A." to the printing statement line plus I added lines about the catalog #, publisher, and copyright. --[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]]|[[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]] 22:30, 3 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added the scans of my issues of _Saturn_ to your verified pubs [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/3/37/STRNMSFMAR1957.jpg here]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 18:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added the masthead, interior art for "The Eyrie" and the book reviews as well as a note about the source to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WEIRDTJAN1953 Weird Tales, January 1953]''. The Jaffery book also credited the art for "Red Ghosts in Kentucky", so I changed it from uncredited. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:08, 4 December 2010 (UTC) (forgot to sign this one when I added it)<br />
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I added the masthead, interior art for "The Eyrie" and the book reviews as well as a note about the source to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?WEIRDTJUL1953 Weird Tales, July 1953]]''. I also changed the author of "The Eyrie" from uncredited to "The Editor" as the other instances of this column are listed. I additionally added it to the series.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:08, 4 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Corrected typo, Hollis Godrey to Hollis Godfrey, in Bleiler's "SF the Early Years."--[[User:Rkihara|Rkihara]] 03:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262916 Continuum 2]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 11:05, 25 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I added Donald A. Wollheim's essay and a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265361 England Swings SF]. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added the cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23502 Nebula Award Stories Four]. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Fixed typos in month names for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?318873 May/June 2010 F&SF]. -- [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] 21:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Replaced scan by ISFDB-based one on your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58218 Fantastic 1963-06] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?227389 1960-05] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58258 1975-04]. Do you think that I should also add the listing of all interior art ? Also for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58622 Galaxy 10-1953].[[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 15:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I changed the credit for "The Doctor" in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25114 Orbit 2] from Theodore L. Thomas to Ted Thomas (as on TOC and titlepage). Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301564 Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century], Jane Frank credits Paul Lehr for the covers of the Berkley editions of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8882 Orbit 2-13]. You verified most of these. I will add cover credit and notes to these. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 09:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added some notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45399 The Playboy Book of Science Fiction and Fantasy] to match my copy. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 09:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I corrected a typo in Bleiler's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29209 Science Fiction: The Early Years]''. Changing the review of "False Forturnes (Part 3 of 3)" to simply "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1022654 False Fortunes]". I also repointed the review to the complete [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1269205 novelette] rather than the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1022648 third installment] of the serial (the only part previously entered). Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:03, 9 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added the cover artist and a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29118 Science Fiction Inventions]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:33, 9 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34352 Tales of Riverworld]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 18:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added a cover scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?214281 The 6 Fingers of Time]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 19:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added the author's note for Farmer's "Crossing the Dark River" to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34352 Tales of Riverworld]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added the artist (Gene Szafran) and a note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34106 Swords Against Tomorrow]. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, I added an Amazon scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?196789 this publication]. If I am not mistaken it is a variant (cover art wise) of the cover art by Paul Lehr for ''The Outward Urge'' (Ballantine edition).--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 22:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added notes (there were none) to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52838 Universe 1] --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 12:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Added six interior art records to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58372 Fantastic September 1961]]. In each case the first piece was noted but not the second [or third]. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Added three interior art records to [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58222 Fantastic March 1963]], same scenario as above. --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added the artist (Gene Szafran) and a note to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?7273 Clarion II]. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added two letters to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61316 this pub] (MFSF, May 1981).[[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I'm adding Frank R. Paul as the cover artist of Winter 1941 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60405 Science Fiction Quarterly]'' and a note as to my [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?296234 source]. I'll also link to the Galactic Central cover image. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
: Also the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60399 Spring] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60403 Summer] 1941 issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:25, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I updated your verified pub {{P|177297|Not Long for this World}} with a few corrections to match my copy in hand. Somehow, the wrong variant of {{T|68983|The Drifting Snow}} was included.. it was pointing at the pseudonym variant, instead of the canonical parent (Since this colection is by {{A|August Derleth}} instead of {{A|Stephen Grendon}} I corrected this error). I also added a new Variant of {{T|68959|The God-Box}} and created {{T|1336227|The Gold-Box}}, along with some explanatory notes. All of this matches my copy in hand. Please let me know if either of these changes needs further discussion. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 23:33, 9 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added Amazon linked art and I added your verified pub {{P|2550|Analog Yearbook}} to a publication series ''An Analog Book''. Thanks [[User:Kpulliam|Kevin]] 03:57, 19 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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In your verified pub {{P|61771|Thrilling Wonder Stories, Winter 1955}}, I changed the title of Asimov's essay from "... Notebooks" to "Notebook" and corrected the page number of the Portable Star interior artwork. [[User:Darkday|Darkday]] 22:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added the gutter code of a reprint of your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260408].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 20:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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User SFJuggler has uploaded a cover scan for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?FUN301956 Future Science Fiction, #30]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 20:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added the secondary interior art and the de Camp letter to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229393 Fantastic Stories of Imagination, October 1961]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:15, 8 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Also added a link to the cover, secondary art and letters where we already have the author to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58355 Fantastic Stories of Imagination, August 1961]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added the secondary interior art, and one letter to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58206 Fantastic Stories of Imagination, February 1961]''. I also considered adding the letter by Bobby Gene Warner, but I can't be certain that he is the same as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?14644 Bobby G. Warner]. I've similarly added secondary art to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58347 September 1967] issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1074 publication series] to Derleth's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?254662 Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos: Volume 1]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I added a comment to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1380 A Way Home]. [[User:Markwood|Markwood]] 22:46, 15 January 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added the following comment: "Otto Toeplitz, the co-author of "The Enjoyment of Mathematics" is listed as "Topelitz" in the body of the review." to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58411 ''Future Science Fiction, #33. Summer 1957''] and changed the spelling of the author's name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I'm swapping out the editor name for several issues of ''Weird Tales'' from Dorothy McIlwraith to the variant D. McIlwraith as it appears in the magazine. I know you have several verified issues and I'll append them to this comment as I encounter them: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62044 March 1950], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61971 Jamuary 1953], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62047 March 1953], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62077 May 1953], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61999 July 1953], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62155 September 1953], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62110 November 1953] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61972 January 1954]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added missing interiorart to the contents of {{P|58773|IF June 1965}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 20:28, 28 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added a missing interiorart to the contents of {{P|58520|Galaxy January 1951}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 21:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I'm converting the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?9149 Cthulhu Cycle] series into a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1744 publication series] and you have verified two books in that series. I'll be making that change to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185057 The Azathoth Cycle]'', and ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?5244 Book of Iod]''. I'll also try to track down cover images while I'm at it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:32, 4 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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Please join the discussion for the cover art credit for {{P|56920|Analog July 1996}} at TPI http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Tpi 's wall since you verified with the designer? instead of cover artist for cover art credit. Thanks! [[User:Ofearna|Ofearna]] 19:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added missing interiorart to the contents of {{P|58511|Galaxy Feb 1976}}. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 20:03, 24 June 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added a link to the cover for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58248 Fantastic Story Quarterly, Summer 1950]'' and the cover artist. I also added a note as to the source of the artist. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added a link to the cover of the October 1953 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?209385 Science-Fiction Plus]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added a link to the cover of the October 1953 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?200953 Science Stories]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 23:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added the cover artist to June 1958 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?153201 Super-Science Fiction]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:45, 24 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added the cover artist to the November-December 1954 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186745 Orbit]'' with a note as to its source. thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added a note giving a third possible cover artist to the January 1951 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58028 Famous Fantastic Mysteries]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 16 September 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I'm going to correct the title of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?554753 introduction] to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?185057 The Azathoth Cycle]'' to match the title as it appears in the book (it is currently titled simply "Introduction"). I'm also going to add an interior art item for the chapter decorations and mention the number line in the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:06, 12 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added cover artist Robert Foster to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?256757 A Wilderness of Stars] (Dell 1971). [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 23:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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I added the cover image and a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176571 Science Fiction Adventures, December 1956]. [[User:Darkday|Darkday]] 22:25, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I expanded the notes for Clingerman's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?413 A Cupful of Space]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:00, 4 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I expanded the notes for de Camp's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46026 The Reluctant Shaman and Other Fantastic Tales]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:32, 15 March 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I expanded the notes for Hubbard's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?174851 Fear & The Ultimate Adventure]'', citing some secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?17307} because the signature is visible on my copy do to a different trimming. And I removed the note as to the question of the artist. I hope that's OK.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 21:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I expanded the notes to Kuttner's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1837 Ahead of Time]'' noting its appearance in the Bleiler ''Guide to Supernatural Fiction''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:41, 9 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I expanded the notes for Leiber's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30091 Shadows With Eyes]'' indicating additional secondary sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I'm going to be adding 2nd & 3rd etc. interior art credits and the 2nd verify some magazines you and others have verified. Right now it's SCIENCE FICTION ADVENTURES.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:06, 4 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58765 If 1969-07]. Assuming the cover had been used for Perry Rhodan, I could easily google it. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 13:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I added a note that your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?221573] that it also appears in a box set of Playboy anthologies.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 19:34, 8 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I'm not sure if you even want to be notified, but in case you do: I discovered that the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57392 April 1954] issue of ''Astounding'' had the entire contents duplicated once with page numbers and once without. i.e. each title record was in the publication twice. This caused the page numbers to not appear in the pub display. I removed the duplicate instances. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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I added second and in some cases third interior art notices for your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56221] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56482].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 23:09, 27 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56923 Analog, July-August, 1999]. This issue was listed as containing a story titled "Emperor Penquins" (with a lower-case "Q"). I have corrected that to "Emperor Penguins" (with a lower-case "G"). [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 22:08, 4 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added links navigating to the prior and subsequent issues to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62044 March 1950] issue of ''Weird Tales''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added links navigating to the prior and subsequent issues to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61971 January 1953] issue of ''Weird Tales''. I will be adding similar links to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62047 March], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62077 May], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61999 July], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62155 September] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62110 November] for 1953 and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61972 January 1954] issues as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added a letter by Everil Worrell to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62047 March 1953] issue in addition to the edit mentioned above. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I corrected the page number for the Dorothy Quick poem in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62155 September 1953] issue (we were off by 2) and I added an item for the illustration in addition to the above. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added a letter by Suzanne Pickett to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61972 January 1954] issue in addition to the edit mentioned above. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added navigation links and several letters to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61919 Fall 1973] issue of ''Weird Tales''. I also corrected the page number for "The Man in the Bottle" which we had on page 57. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:45, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added two letters to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60019 September 1953 issue] of ''Planet Stories''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:57, 21 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I will be correcting the publisher (removing the city), and the page number for "Sixty-Year Extension" (we had page 6) to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60012 May 1954 issue] of ''Planet Stories''. I am also adding a letter. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added a number of letters to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60733 September 1951 issue] of ''Startling Stories''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added the fictional news bulletin, "Les and Es Claim the Moon" and a book review that was among the fanzine reviews in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60685 July 1952 issue] of ''Startling Stories''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:59, 8 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added covers for the 3 issues of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?26568 Treasury of Great SF Stories] but i mistakenly added #3 in for #1. I tried uploading a correction but it is being held in check until I notify you. Sorry for any problems. [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 18:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I added price and note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?202909 this mag]. Also I noticed that many of the issues of this mag from around this date have the mag's ISSN # as the ISBN/Catalog #. Should these be removed? Thanks. Doug/[[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 18:26, 21 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I'm going to change the artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?922336 this artwork] in the May 1947 issue of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60695 Startling Stories]'' as his signature appears in the bottom right corner of the artwork. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:24, 22 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I'm adding the uncaptioned cartoon on page 107 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60712 May 1953 issue] of ''Startling Stories''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I'm adding the letter by Joseph B. Wilcox appearing on page 8 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61971 January 1953 issue] of ''Weird Tales'' as it is reprinted in ''H. P. Lovecraft in "The Eyrie"''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 3 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I have added a note to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61435 F&SF Sept '73]. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 21:29, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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Added UK price to the notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61222 F&SF June '72]. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 10:48, 22 September 2014 (UTC).<br />
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Pages 52 & 56 reordered and page 70 caption corrected for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60909 F&SF MAR 1996]. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 20:32, 29 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I identified the illustrator for the story Bad Medicine by William Morrison from your verified pulp [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61713 Thrilling Wonder Stories, February 1941] from his signature and it is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?111609 M. Marchioni]. I entered this into my listing for the facsimile reprint. I also added some letters based on the Fancyclopedia 3 website and the ISFDB site. If you want or agree with my entries just feel free to lift them. 05:27, 19 January 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added two minor pieces of artwork to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62044 March 1950 issue] of ''Weird Tales'' on pages 17 and 42. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:12, 18 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added two minor pieces of artwork to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61971 January 1953 issue] of ''Weird Tales'' on pages 8 and 38. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added several minor pieces of artwork to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62047 March 1953 issue] of ''Weird Tales''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added three minor pieces of artwork to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62077 May 1953 issue] of ''Weird Tales'' on pages 51, 91 and 96. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added two missing interior art titles to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61999 July 1953 issue] of ''Weird Tales''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:17, 22 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added a piece of artwork to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61972 January 1954 issue] of ''Weird Tales'' on page 104. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Added notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?221573 Playboy Book of Horror and the Supernatural]. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 22:59, 7 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Replaced Amazon image with actual cover scan and added a couple of notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?52873 Unknown].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 15:23, 10 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I identified the artist for the illustrations for Hamilton's "The Star of Life" from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60668 January 1947 issue] of ''Startling Stories'' as M. Marchioni from his signature. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I'm updating the name of the author for "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?704057 The Vicar and the Devilkin]" in the June 1954 issue of ''Fantastic'' to J. Munro MacLennan. It is currently "MacLennon". That "a" in the table of contents does look a lot like an "o" and I had to pull out a magnifying glass to see the difference. It's a bit clearer on the title page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 01:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Sorry I made a couple of mistakes by adding images to Clarkesworldmagazines wich you verified see here {{P|CLRKSWRLDC2006|}} I added all the images but I replaced the issue numbers wich you had in the notes to the ISBN numbers and that was not correct they belong with the title. I should have informed you sorry about that. I wil correct the issue numbers but now I am gonna wait until you give me clearance to do so or not. Sorry again, William. [[User:Wjmvanruth|Wjmvanruth]] 18:11, 25 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I replaced the issue number on this publication {{P|CLRKSWRLDM2007}} wich you verified. Acccording to a moderator the issue number belongs with the title wich I did no know. You had them in your notes, I put them on the place of the ISBN number, a mistake. I want to correct the mistakes by replace the issue numbers to the titles. I did not change any of the contents of your verified publications. If you not agree let me know please. Thank you. [[User:Wjmvanruth|Wjmvanruth]] 18:35, 2 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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A note is added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58455 Galaxy August 1951] about the credit for "Operation Distress". [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 18:40, 8 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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A note was added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58517 Galaxy January 1958] about the credit typo for interiorart of "The Hated". [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 14:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added the second Finlay illustration for "Jack of No Trades" on page 57 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56249 August 1960 issue] of Amazing. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:16, 19 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added the second Bernklau illustration for "When the Moon Was Red" on page 18 and the second Finlay for "Trajectory to Taurus" on page 49 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56691 September 1960 issue] of Amazing. Thanks.--Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added a cover image to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?255862 Algol #20] [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 17:42, 23 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I expanded the notes to Judith Merril's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191221 S-F: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy]'' adding Reginald and Bleiler numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:17, 4 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I expanded the notes to Alden H. Norton's ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?16513 Hauntings and Horrors]'' adding Reginald, Bleiler and Worldcat numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I'm correcting the credit for the author of "The Martian Rocket" in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56205 April 1951 issue] of ''Amazing'' which we have mistakenly as "Merritt Lynn" which is how it is mistakenly credited in the table of contents. I'll also add a note about the toc mistake. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:22, 19 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
:We've also got the credit wrong in the other direction for "The Neurotic Shrimp" in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56206 April 1952] issue. I've got a pdf of a scan of that issue. I'll make the correction there as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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Added notes to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?9987 Destinies 2] Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 20:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I added the art in the editorial to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?57418 Astounding, August 1954]. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 16:28, 17 January 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I'm expanding the credit for the artist for "Greenhorn" in the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?243657 Fall 1952] issue of ''Fantastic Story'' to "Ed Emsler" which does appear to be there in the signature. Additionally, I'm going to add some of the letters. I'll also upload a new cover scan. My copy has a few small chips, but doesn't have the scraping of the existing scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I'd like to change the title of the Gahan Wilson cartoon on page 93 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60959 April 1971 issue] of F&SF by replacing the disambiguation with the caption as per our standards. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I'm making two changes to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61184 July 1977 issue] of ''The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction''. I'm correcting the page number for "Jeffty Is Five" to page 8. We had it on page 5. I'm also changing the title of the Silverberg essay to "Harlan". We had it as "Harlan Ellison". Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 20 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I added the missing Finlay illustration of page 86 of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58678 December 1959 issue] if ''Galaxy''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 03:14, 23 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I added a cover image to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?257343 Mystic Magazine, January 1954] from the facsimile. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 06:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I added a cover image to {{P|451476|Lightspeed #49}} [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 23:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)<br />
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I credited the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?186 6 and the Silent Scream] to Paul Maguire from the signature; half is enough to match it with his signature elsewhere. [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 12:28, 17 June 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Cover image added for Rocket Stories [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179513 JULY] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?179529 SEPT] 1953 issues. [[User:Syzygy|Syzygy]] 20:30, 13 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Also added the gutter code 027 to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194209 A Treasury of Great Science Fiction, Volume Two]’s notes. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 05:08, 30 July 2016 (UTC)<br />
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Regarding "Wonder Stories, July 1932" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?62234) I've added a couple of letter entries for authors that exist already in the database, and added the "What Is Your Science Knowledge?" feature to agree with other issues of this magazine. [[User:Ldb001|Ldb001]] 18:53, 10 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Added a pub note confirming the cover artist attribution for the November 1940 issue of Super Science Stories (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?60800). [[User:Ldb001|Ldb001]] 15:58, 29 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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Added interior artwork, editoral, and letter column to November, 1948 issue of Fantastic Adventures (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58167). Also, the existing data had a month of 00 which I changed to 11. Also updated the month on a couple of variants.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] 12:42, 23 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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Added cover artist (L. W. Perkins) to Space and Time #110, Spring 2010; added cover image to Space and Time #122, Fall-Winter 2014. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:46, 13 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25682 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25682].[[User:SFJuggler|Jim]] 16:59, 18 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56308 Amazing Stories, Fall 1998]: Looking at the scan available at [https://archive.org/details/AmazingStories594V70n021998Fall/ archive.org], I noticed that the table of contents misspells the author of "Good with Secrets" whereas the story itself has the correct name. I'll submit a correction and change the pub note accordingly. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 09:46, 4 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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Thinking of changing the title of ''Best SF Stories from New Worlds 6'' [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4185] to ''The Best SF Stories from New Worlds 6'' to match the cover and making it variant of ''Best SF Stories from New Worlds 6'', if you think that's OK? Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 00:57, 20 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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I added the following note to Future Science Fiction #30 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58408] : "Columbia Publications didn't register the copyright for this issue until 1981 (TX0000735955). In that registration, they stated this was the July 1956 issue, and that the publication date was May 1, 1956. However, Isaac Asimov's autobiography, which used his diary as a reference, states that his story "Each an Explorer" wasn't started until June 15, 1956 and was given to editor Robert Lowndes a few days later." I have added this note in case someone later sees the copyright registration, assumes that is the correct publication date, and updates this record with wrong data. Of course, I may be the only person that actually uses Library of Congress copyright registrations to date SF magazines. Pat Conolly<br />
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I added several new letters to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265258 Fantastic Novels Magazine, April 1941]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:26, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi. If you still have a copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?176721 New Dimensions 1]: the current page says "A Special Kind of Morning on page 11 is listed as by Gardner R. Dozois on the story's title page and as by Gardner K. Dozois in the table of contents", but I see it the other way around. Could you check? Thanks. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:03, 13 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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Hi, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?182265 Space Science Fiction, May 1953] includes a second illustration for "Second Variety" by Ebel, as seen in the online copy at Luminist.org. I have added (pending approval.) Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 00:42, 1 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== {{p|191557|''Science Fiction Stories'', November 1958}} ==<br />
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FYI: I added an Amazon cover art image to this pub. [[User:Uzume|Uzume]] 16:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== '''Fantastic, April 1978''' ==<br />
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I have added three letters and corrected the name that David Bischoff published his short story in this issue of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58259 Fantastic] (I added the "F."). Also, did Ted White actually write an essay for the letter section, other than answering the missives? [[User:MLB|MLB]] 02:32, 24 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== July 1952 Amazing ==<br />
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I added the "ISFDB internal page numbers" to the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56418 July 1952 issue] of ''Amazing Stories'', i.e. forcing the order where there are multiple content items on the same page. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:52, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Also for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56417 July 1951 issue]. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 17:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I'm adding the letter by author Jesse Roarke in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?58233 Nov 1962 issue] of "Fantastic". Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 17:23, 27 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Imaginative Tales, March 1957==<br />
Hi. I added some cartoons and a couple of science fillers to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?184149 your verified pub]. Also, you have 130 as page count but adding 4 to the actual page count of 128 would make it 132. Also, the column "The Cosmic Pen Club" is "Cosmic Pen Club" on its title page. All the other Imaginative Tales (your pv's) show it that way, plus since the name of the column is the same across all the issues, should they be disambiguated with the mag title and date? I'd be happy to do these if you want. Doug / [[User:Vornoff|Vornoff]] 03:55, 19 November 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Science Fiction Adventures, December 1953 ==<br />
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Added cover art for {{P|198757|Science Fiction Adventures, December 1953}} from the Project Gutenberg version of the "The Hanging Stranger". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:01, 8 October 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Other Worlds Science Stories, May 1957 ==<br />
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Added cover image to {{P|236129|Other Worlds Science Stories, May 1957}} from the Project Gutenberg version of the "Falcons of Narabedla". Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 21:05, 28 November 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Passport to Eternity ==<br />
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Added a note to your PVd [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?25682 Passport to Eternity].</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=659804User talk:Zybahn2023-04-12T04:22:36Z<p>Zybahn: /* Christmas Ghosts */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== An Eye For an Eye: The Doll ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Is the source of the Canadian price you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3506112 here] a personal copy you are planning to verify or another source? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: A personal copy. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I updated the record after accepting your change to do two things:<br />
:: * Move the OCLC number to the new External ID field. <br />
:: * Standardize the lines in the Notes - we had one starting with • and one without and I was editing for the OCLC anyway so decided to clear it. As you are going to verify, feel free to reformat if you prefer another format.<br />
:: [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:57, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok I've verified transient. Apologies for the formatting oversight; the other notes were already there & I just wasn't paying enough attention :( [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 16:09, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: No worries at all :) It would not have hurt anything - as I said, I only fixed it because I was moving OCLC anyway. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Selecting a Ghost ==<br />
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You have "Selecting a Ghost" in your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359107 Ghost Stories] as a novelette; if it is the same as [https://americanliterature.com/author/sir-arthur-conan-doyle/short-story/the-secret-of-goresthorpe-grange this] online text, it is a short story. In that case, please correct it. Thanks [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:21, 9 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Children ==<br />
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I removed the subtitle "An Anthology" from the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261341 Poe's Children: New Horror] since such low-information subtitles are usually omitted here --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 16:12, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Ordering Content on the Same Page ==<br />
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When multiple content appears on the same page, the order can be controlled via appending a "sorting" value to the page number. The details are at [[Template:PubContentFields:Page]] (under "Sorting"). For two stories on page 10, "10|10.1" would be displayed first and "10|10.2" would be displayed second and both would show "10" as the page number. Let us know if there are questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:50, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I finally got around to making the change. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:10, 28 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: So I made the change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714185 this record], and though the edits were accepted, the pages are all out of sorts. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:48, 31 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ok I think I figured it out, & just submitted the updated edit request.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:50, 31 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Midnight'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi. I have added cover artist (Don Brautigam) to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301976 your verified], as per other printings. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 04:54, 13 August 2019 (EDT).<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?94725 Sax], the elongated 'S' indeed looks like an 'f'. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:17, 8 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Little Prince ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As this is too short to be a novel (14K words when we need 40K), it is getting converted to a chapbook.[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?769746 Your verified] had been changed. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:14, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sixteenth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories ==<br />
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Hi Zybahn<br />
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I am adding a couple of external IDs to your verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260771 The Sixteenth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''. You had the title as "The 16th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories", which I see matches the cover title. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat spell out the number in the titles as "Sixteenth" which makes me think that it is probably spelled out on the title page. It doesn't look like you've made an edit here since April, so I'm going to go ahead and change the title as indicated. If you get back and can check the title page of your copy, and I am mistaken, please let me know, and I can change it back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:33, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks. (Since the server change my password is no longer functional so i created a new account. I'll figure out how to merge it in a bit.) I own the book but it is currently boxed. I will verify once it is unboxed & confirm. [[User:CasualDebris|CasualDebris]] ([[User talk:CasualDebris|talk]]) 21:48, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== When adding synopses to title records ==<br />
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Hello, I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459166] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463749] on hold as you didn't mention the source of the Synopsis text (unless it's your own summary?). The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditTitle#Synopsis rules text] says, in part, that "''A synopsis from another source like a blurb or a bibliographic note may be used, in whole or in part. If you do, '''enclose the text in quotes, state the source and include the date'''. An English synopsis should be quoted verbatim, while a non-English synopsis should be translated, following the original as closely as possible and identifying the exact source of the text and its language. Use an ellipsis ("...") for omitted text. Individual words may be replaced for clarity, with the replacement enclosed in square brackets ("[]"). ''"<br><br />
If you're adding synopses, it's always a good idea to notify the moderator in the note to moderators field that it's your own synopsis - or alternatively, add synopsis per the rules cited above. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:11, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Good evening. Thanks for letting me know; I've been entering synopses over the last few months as I've been on a short story kick, & this is the first mention I've received. Rest assured all the synopses are my own, so please approve. I'll leave a note moving forward. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:25, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the confirmation. Now approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:56, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Christmas Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5557422; There are 3 PV, 1 gone for years, 1 PV a transient copy, you're the only active PV of a permanent copy, so I thought you'd like to know I made a bunch of adds/fixes which can be seen in my pending edit linked above; the only issue, possibly, is the cover artist, which is Ian, not Iain. So on the slim chance your copy says Iain and it wasn't just a mistake, let me know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please let me know what is decided here. I've placed this submission on hold pending the PV checking things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:02, 11 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::My copy is boxed. Once I access it I will have a look & let you know. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 19:39, 11 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Boxed, you say? What a shock. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:37, 11 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::Not clear as to why this is so shocking. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 00:22, 12 April 2023 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=659794User talk:Zybahn2023-04-11T23:39:46Z<p>Zybahn: /* Christmas Ghosts */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== An Eye For an Eye: The Doll ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Is the source of the Canadian price you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3506112 here] a personal copy you are planning to verify or another source? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: A personal copy. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I updated the record after accepting your change to do two things:<br />
:: * Move the OCLC number to the new External ID field. <br />
:: * Standardize the lines in the Notes - we had one starting with • and one without and I was editing for the OCLC anyway so decided to clear it. As you are going to verify, feel free to reformat if you prefer another format.<br />
:: [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:57, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok I've verified transient. Apologies for the formatting oversight; the other notes were already there & I just wasn't paying enough attention :( [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 16:09, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: No worries at all :) It would not have hurt anything - as I said, I only fixed it because I was moving OCLC anyway. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Selecting a Ghost ==<br />
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You have "Selecting a Ghost" in your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359107 Ghost Stories] as a novelette; if it is the same as [https://americanliterature.com/author/sir-arthur-conan-doyle/short-story/the-secret-of-goresthorpe-grange this] online text, it is a short story. In that case, please correct it. Thanks [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:21, 9 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Children ==<br />
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I removed the subtitle "An Anthology" from the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261341 Poe's Children: New Horror] since such low-information subtitles are usually omitted here --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 16:12, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Ordering Content on the Same Page ==<br />
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When multiple content appears on the same page, the order can be controlled via appending a "sorting" value to the page number. The details are at [[Template:PubContentFields:Page]] (under "Sorting"). For two stories on page 10, "10|10.1" would be displayed first and "10|10.2" would be displayed second and both would show "10" as the page number. Let us know if there are questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:50, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I finally got around to making the change. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:10, 28 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: So I made the change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714185 this record], and though the edits were accepted, the pages are all out of sorts. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:48, 31 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ok I think I figured it out, & just submitted the updated edit request.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:50, 31 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Midnight'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi. I have added cover artist (Don Brautigam) to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301976 your verified], as per other printings. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 04:54, 13 August 2019 (EDT).<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?94725 Sax], the elongated 'S' indeed looks like an 'f'. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:17, 8 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Little Prince ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As this is too short to be a novel (14K words when we need 40K), it is getting converted to a chapbook.[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?769746 Your verified] had been changed. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:14, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sixteenth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories ==<br />
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Hi Zybahn<br />
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I am adding a couple of external IDs to your verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260771 The Sixteenth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''. You had the title as "The 16th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories", which I see matches the cover title. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat spell out the number in the titles as "Sixteenth" which makes me think that it is probably spelled out on the title page. It doesn't look like you've made an edit here since April, so I'm going to go ahead and change the title as indicated. If you get back and can check the title page of your copy, and I am mistaken, please let me know, and I can change it back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:33, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks. (Since the server change my password is no longer functional so i created a new account. I'll figure out how to merge it in a bit.) I own the book but it is currently boxed. I will verify once it is unboxed & confirm. [[User:CasualDebris|CasualDebris]] ([[User talk:CasualDebris|talk]]) 21:48, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== When adding synopses to title records ==<br />
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Hello, I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459166] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463749] on hold as you didn't mention the source of the Synopsis text (unless it's your own summary?). The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditTitle#Synopsis rules text] says, in part, that "''A synopsis from another source like a blurb or a bibliographic note may be used, in whole or in part. If you do, '''enclose the text in quotes, state the source and include the date'''. An English synopsis should be quoted verbatim, while a non-English synopsis should be translated, following the original as closely as possible and identifying the exact source of the text and its language. Use an ellipsis ("...") for omitted text. Individual words may be replaced for clarity, with the replacement enclosed in square brackets ("[]"). ''"<br><br />
If you're adding synopses, it's always a good idea to notify the moderator in the note to moderators field that it's your own synopsis - or alternatively, add synopsis per the rules cited above. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:11, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Good evening. Thanks for letting me know; I've been entering synopses over the last few months as I've been on a short story kick, & this is the first mention I've received. Rest assured all the synopses are my own, so please approve. I'll leave a note moving forward. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:25, 11 November 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the confirmation. Now approved! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:56, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Christmas Ghosts ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5557422; There are 3 PV, 1 gone for years, 1 PV a transient copy, you're the only active PV of a permanent copy, so I thought you'd like to know I made a bunch of adds/fixes which can be seen in my pending edit linked above; the only issue, possibly, is the cover artist, which is Ian, not Iain. So on the slim chance your copy says Iain and it wasn't just a mistake, let me know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:40, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Please let me know what is decided here. I've placed this submission on hold pending the PV checking things. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:02, 11 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::My copy is boxed. Once I access it I will have a look & let you know. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 19:39, 11 April 2023 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=659423ISFDB:Community Portal2023-04-06T01:55:26Z<p>Zybahn: /* Expired Link */</p>
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== Looking for one book. ==<br />
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Hello. I am Looking for one book. I only remember the beginning of the piece. Some guy found a derelict computer, sat down at it and started doing something, and then he saw a man with a gun walk up to the desk, they looked at each other in silence for a while, then the guy mechanically pressed the Enter button and the man shot him back. The work was read in the 1990s or very early 2000s. The piece appeared no later than the 1990s (probably earlier). I also remember that the guy was doing something enthusiastically on the computer: at first he typed without looking at the screen, but the message on the computer monitor made him do his work more slowly and carefully. The phrases went something like this. The message on the computer screen made him work more carefully. Behind the desk stood a man with a gun in his hand. The guy had never seen a real gun, except in the movies, but he knew immediately what it was. The guy's hand dropped mechanically to the Enter button, and the same second the black muzzle of the gun burst into flames, ending his life. Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 01:23, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Nothing comes to mind, I am afraid. There are a couple of Reddit forums that may be worth a shot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue], which handles all types of media, and [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ PrintSF], which specializes in printed speculative fiction. The Usenet group [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.sf.written] may be another place to check. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sadly. Thank you. Wrote in the first and third place, in the second they require 2 days from the date of registration. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 15:05, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Another possible place to check is [https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on the AbeBooks site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've updated the [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|ISFDB FAQ]] with a section containing the above links. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:14, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you, I wrote. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 05:02, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I wrote: 1. [https://community.abebooks.com/s/question/0D53n000092akFOCAY/a-guy-gets-into-an-unattended-computer-and-gets-killed-with-a-gun-for-it-a-detective-or-maybe-a-thriller?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI Book Sleuth], [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/1046dwp/tomtmovie2000sa_guy_gets_into_an_unattended/?sort=new tipofmytongue], [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/105spj3/looking_for_one_book/ printSF] and [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/c/4p_Z6o_Uc38?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written]. Where else to write? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 06:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Merge -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Title Merge submissions have been enhanced. They now correctly display embedded HTML and properly link to third party Web sites. Displayed field names are now more meaningful. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Award Editor -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Edit Award submissions have been enhanced. They now link to the main Award Type page for the award's type, correctly display embedded HTML and link to IMDB where applicable. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request Currey check (print, 1979) ==<br />
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''The Body Snatchers'' (1955) publication record {{p|211333}}, primarily by User:Bluesman who is no longer with us, implies that Currey is the source for cover artist "Stuart Treslian". That reference should be to print [[Reference:Currey]] rather than the L. W. Currey website, which does not name Stuart T nor any cover artist in current descriptions of two copies ([https://www.lwcurrey.com/pages/books/129296/jack-finney-walter-braden-finney/the-body-snatchers one at US$4500]).<br />
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Spelling "Stuart Tresilian" may be expected. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tresilian Stuart T at Wikipedia]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The entry for this book in Currey is not the source for the cover artist, and doesn't ordinarily provide the cover artist in the entries. I'm certain that [[Reference:Currey|the reference]] is what [[User:Bluesman|Bill]] was referring to in the note. However, I believe he was only indicating that Currey stated that there was no statement of printing. You may also find [[Reference:Verification Sources|this chart]] helpful. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:15, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Layout supports your interpretation.<br />
:: That chart of ISFDB Verification Sources will be useful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:03, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fiction series(?): Body Snatchers, The; Invasion of, The ==<br />
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We have 1955 T{{t|437}} and rewritten 1978 T{{t|186595}} versions of this Jack Finney novel, as distinct parent titles with multiple variants (some under shared titles), presumably because the rewrite has been judged "great enough" (DO NOT MERGE, Mhhutchins, 2008-12-13).<br />
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Those need some linkage. (I will need to re-revise the former parent Title note, item 2.) I suggest a Series containing numbered versions 1 and 2. Is there any reason not to link them by a fiction series, rather than multiple cross-reference links? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Publication -- post-submission page in the process of being updated ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for "New Publication" submissions are currently in the process of being updated. The first patch was installed a few minutes ago. It tweaked the way the "Title" section is displayed.<br />
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Upgrading the software behind this Web page is a delicate process because some of it is shared with other post-submission pages like "Clone Publication". It will take a few patches to get everything updated. In the meantime, if you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:15, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It does look a little jarring without a label at the top of the first table but I will wait to see where that ends before complaining about it properly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Oh, one thing - html in the Moderator notes is not resolving. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5540454 example] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Investigating... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, the missing header ("Title Data") has been resurrected and "Note to Moderator" has been changed to display HTML correctly. All previously upgraded post-submission pages had the same HTML display issue, but it didn't become obvious until NewPub was upgraded since Fixer uses HTML in moderator notes. Thanks for reporting the problems! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:32, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Looks good now. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The "Title" section has been further enhanced for AddPub submissions. It now displays all field values for the title record that the new pub is about to be attached to. It doesn't include reviews, tags, a link to the parent title (if there is one), variants or other fancy things that the regular Title page displays, but it's a lot more data than what was displayed before the change. The new format also has a new section header, "Automerge title data", which hopefully makes it easier to tell that the submission is an AddPub and not a NewPub. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:52, 14 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The "Publication Metadata" section has been updated to display embedded HTML tags correctly and to allow multiple warnings per field. A few yellow warnings have been tweaked and I plan another pass to upgrade the rest of them once I update ClonePub, Import/Export and EditPub to use the same software. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:32, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I suppose that "Post-submission pages" include "Approved ..." among others. Approved New Publication; Approved ClonePub; Approved Publication Update --all retain(?) link label "New record:" in the footer. Approval timestamp 2023-01-17 21:28:23 for the mildly offending PubUpdate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:09, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928677 this recently created pub]'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928677 Edit History], I see that the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527716 NewPub submission] which created it links to the new record at the bottom of the page, which is as it should be. The subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527989 PubUpdate submission] also says "New record" and links to it even though it's no longer a new record.<br />
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::: It looks like it's an old bug introduced back when Edit History was implemented a couple of years ago. {{Bug|824}} has been created -- thanks for identifying it! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:14, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: It should be fixed now. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Looking for a sci-fi title ==<br />
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Hello everyone, I am looking for the title and author of a SF short story (or novel) in which a NASA-type company sends chronically unlucky people to unknown planets. Since these people are dogged by ill luck, the company figures they will encounter all the problems there are : monsters, eruptions, and so on. And that will be a good way to prepare for the planets’ exploration. Does anybody happen to know, by any chance, the title or/and author of this story ? Yves Lavandier {{unsigned2|07:15, January 18, 2023 |Yves Lavandier}}<br />
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: I have no recollection of a plot like this. Can you perhaps give a line of time it might have been published in? (It sounds more like a classic plot: 1940s to 1950s, I'd say). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:You can try one of the resources listed [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds like the plot of Robert Sheckley's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46023 The Minimum Man]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Annals of Klepsis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2779; https://archive.org/details/annalsofklepsis0000laff; Active verifiers, look at this, it's got stuff crossed/whited out on front and back covers, a pasted string of numbers on copyright page, etc. Alternate edition or something, maybe, if anyone wants to enter it. It was added in Feb. 2021, just after the last PV. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5547100; This was uploaded in April 2021; I made an attempt at entering it ("borrowing" the phrasing of the price info from other records on ISFDB) but I'm sure editors who enter French books regularly can add some stuff after my edit is approved. I notice someone named AlainLeBris did a lot of them; is he still editing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: AlainLeBris's last activity date is 2022-01-22, almost a year ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth" ==<br />
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Silverberg's 1958 novella, {{T|67050|name=We, the Marauders}}, came out a few months earlier than his 1958 novel {{T|2798|name=Invaders from Earth}}, although they are basically the same story. As such, it has often been viewed (including in our records) that the novella came first, and was then expanded into the novel. In a post yesterday on the FictionMagsIndex mailing list, Silverberg corrects that impression, writing:<br><br />
"After 65 years I don't have a clear recollection of how the changes in INVADERS FROM EARTH came about. I do recall that I wrote the book for Don Wollheim at Ace and then offered it to Bob Lowndes, whose pulp magazine SCIENCE FICTION QUARTERLY could handle long stories. The title "We, the Marauders" on the magazine version was Lowndes', though I liked it. I don't recall whether he or I did the cutting, or how the changes in plot came about. The Ace version was the original one, though."<br><br />
I have updated the title notes to both the novella and the novel to reflect this information. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 13:08, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: (I reviewed those Title notes but don't know the story.) I submitted update, and noted "hold for User: Chavey", of the NOVEL note as "the same story" ==> "nearly the same story" ... "and the cuts create a different resolution to the main character's personal story." The latter information, from the novella Title note, seems too important to omit from either one. Also I showed strong approval of the paragraph break by replicating it here for the novel, which unfortunately creates a mass of text in the "Differences".<br />
: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ohioana Book Award ==<br />
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Here's another award I found. It's not a specifically genre award, but there are genre winners regularly appearing in its list of winners. [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/past-award-winners/ Main list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/other-awards/ additional list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/ general info]. They appear to be all juried awards, given out since the early 1940s.<br />
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List of categories:<br />
*Fiction<br />
*Nonfiction<br />
*Middle Grade & Young Adult Literature<br />
*Juvenile Literature<br />
*Poetry<br />
*About Ohio (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Walter Rumsey Marvin Grant (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Readers’ Choice Award (the only non-juried award)<br />
*Alice Louise Wood Award<br />
*Anniversary Award<br />
*Award of Merit<br />
*Career Award<br />
*Citation Award<br />
*Editorial Excellence<br />
*Head Award<br />
*Krout Poetry<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Pegasus Award<br />
*Sesquicentennial Award<br />
*Ohioana Fellowship<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author<br />
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I can enter them once they're created. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:13, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am not sure how many of their categories have SF awards, but I have found at least a few genre authors: Andre Norton, Lois McMaster Bujold, Virginia Hamilton. If there are no objections, I can create a new award type, which will let moderators create categories as needed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yup, that's pretty much along the lines of what I found. Edward Eager is in there, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:00, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. It's our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 100th Award Type]! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::An auspicious beginning, to be sure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:12, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Took a while, but I think all of them are entered now. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== S.E.P. SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29174; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483; Likely these 2 records are for the same book, but each contains info the other doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:39, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. I've merged everything to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon cover images in publication records ==<br />
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[1] Given some stable image file.jpg under "images/I" at Amazon, do we have any reason to prefer one of the addresses https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/ and https://m.media-amazon.com/ ? Is it valuable to change our URL from one to the other, upon noticing an address change at the Amazon product page?<br />
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[2] Do we have any reason to prefer linking a cover image at Amazon or linking one at Open Library? If not in general, then a match with stated printing number, available via "Look inside" at Amazon or "Preview" at Open Library but not both, is one attractive criterion. Image quality is another. Most recently I chose to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545586 link m-media-amazon.com] rather than [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL28305950M/The_particular_sadness_of_lemon_cake Open Library OL28305950M] because the latter image looks "too dark" to me. (Only now I see that "Preview" reveals a 9th printing, and Amazon UK/US provide no "Look inside".) <br />
<br>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:56, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Amazon: Either works and points to the same place for EVERY image. If we discover that one of the spaces is discontinued, we can swap them programmatically but for the time being, either can be used (ebooks usually use the media one these days; paper books can use the images-na). As long as the ID at the end is the same, the two domains are identical for all intents and purposes and will always show the same image.<br />
: As for the OL/Amazon - both are stable (As long as it is an /I/ image in Amazon so use whichever looks better and is of better quality overall. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clone/Export/Import -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
<br />
The "Publication Data" section of the post-submission review page for Clone/Export/Import submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Author Photo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?71; I did some Clive Barker book edits recently and, as far as I can recall, his photo was broken because it was from one of those sites that don't display HTTP images correctly after our server move (or possibly it was just a bad photo and I decided to replace it), so I substituted a color photo from FantLab of Barker in his library that's very recent judging by his appearance, which is not very pleasant these days due to all his medical problems. Today I randomly came across his page again and saw that someone replaced that with a different photo that's not only in black-and-white but very old judging by his youthful appearance, plus it has one of those long WEBP URL's Amazon was using for a while recently. Is there any way to see a history of who edits author records? I'd like to know who changed it. I'm going to re-replace it with the FantLab photo and hopefully it will stay that way this time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Author records do have Edit History information on file, but only moderators can access it. The reason is that our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy data deletion policy] lets living authors request removal of ''biographical'' (as opposed to ''bibliographic'') data from their author records. Making authors' Edit History publicly available would defeat the purpose of the policy.<br />
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: In this case the change was made by [[User:Stonecreek]] in submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527111 5527111] on 2023-01-01. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Stonecreek, you say? What a shock. Anyway, my edit is pending to change it back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::In order to prevent a continuing edit war, I've put the further edit on hold. Could [[User:Username|Username]] and [[User:Stonecreek|Christian]] as well as any other editors with an opinion on which image should be used please come to an agreement here before we further churn the author image? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:21, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: My opinion is a recent image, like the one I added from FantLab seems to be (they have 2 others which are old and B&W), is better because he doesn't look anything like he did in his heyday when he was rather handsome. However, if someone feels like they really need to see an overly bright B&W photo from decades ago on his ISFDB page, so be it. Maybe after he's dead (which may be soon judging by his appearance these days) perhaps a recent photo will be more appropriate then. I doubt I'll be around to add it, but maybe someone else will. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:34, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: There were two reasons for me to change the image: the first is the more handsome look (I do think that we should aim to have no images that would possibly intimidate an author or his/her readers), the second that Amazon seems to be more stable & is somewhat more official. I could live with the other image but do fear that it would lead towards users escaping Barker's summary page as fast as one could. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:48, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Pending edit's been sitting in my list for a long time so I just cancelled it. I did, however, make another edit today (pending) replacing the ancient Ramsey Campbell B&W photo on ISFDB with a recent color one on Amazon of him in all his chubby glory, so one Brit horror writer falls, another rises. It's hard to say who looks more unhealthy these days, Barker or Campbell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:39, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Australasian Horror ==<br />
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https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ahwa-competition-past-winners/; I was doing some edits for the first issue of Hub Magazine and 1 of the stories by Liam Rands was an honorable mention for this award (he won for another story the next year); there was discussion here recently about awards so this may be something someone would want to enter. Awards are still going as of 2022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:39, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Interesting. It looks like the Australasian Horror Writers Association has two separate/parallel projects:<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/australian-shadows-awards/award-entry-rules/ The Australian Shadows Award] with the usual menagerie of categories like "short story", "novel", "novellete/novella", "collection", etc.<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition], which has two categories for ''unpublished'' horror stories:<br />
:** ''Flash Fiction'': Stories up to 1000 words in length<br />
:** ''Short Story'': Stories from 1001 to 7500 words.<br />
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: We already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?68 the Australian Shadows Award listed], but we don't cover "The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition" at this time. One thing to note is that the latter is a true "competition" in the tradition of pulp magazines. To quote their [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ rules page]:<br />
:* The winner in each category will receive an engraved plaque and the winning stories will appear in Midnight Echo, and receive the pay rate commensurate with that edition.<br />
: Runner-ups presumably benefit by being able to claim that their stories were "runner-ups" when they try to sell them to other markets.<br />
: This is a bit unusual, but we do have precedent for including awards given to unpublished texts -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?57 Prix Jean Ray], which is given to "Best unpublished fantasy text by a Belgian writer".<br />
: Thoughts? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:59, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'd support adding it. Some of the more prestigious Japanese SF awards are contests where the winner(s) get publishing contracts (as do some of the runners up, often). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:11, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: If there is no objection, I will create a new Award Type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:59, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: A new award type and two award categories [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?101 have been created]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: Jusges?--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Fixed, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:51, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nick Fox/Bantock Cover ==<br />
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https://books.google.com/books?id=GDPwBhpEtAIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=shadrach&f=false; Nick Bantock's art book The Artful Dodger includes a Silverberg cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1139072, which is credited to a studio (and back cover seen online does credit it to that studio) but he says he did it under his Nick Fox name. So what to do? Also, Google Books copy seems to be a 2nd printing of the Chronicle Books edition on ISFDB and there's a Canadian edition from Raincoast on Archive.org which isn't on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Inter-author collections of speculative drama ==<br />
Good afternoon, everyone. Are there inter-author collections (Anthology, Almanac) of speculative drama? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 02:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30649 "Six Science Fiction Plays"] anthology, edited by Roger Elwood, Washington Square Press, 1976, ISBN 0-671-48766-3. <br />
:* [http://borealispress.com/BookDetail/rid/913/New%20Canadian%20Drama%20Vol.%208 "New Canadian Drama Vol. 8: Speculative Drama: Roswell, Eden's Moon, Alien Bait"] edited by Scott Kesi Duchesne, Borealis Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-88887-265-4. <br />
: --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 11:01, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::* Thank you so much, are there more examples? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 13:40, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edit Pub -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The Metadata (i.e. top) section of the post-submission review page for Edit Publication submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Bloch Book Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941501; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551231; I started to enter the HC edition, mentioned in the note by the PV, using FantLab's copy but decided to check further and it's already on ISFDB; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?30351. Both HC and TP were entered many years earlier so I guess nobody checked first before approving PV submission. I've made a (pending) edit adding ID, full cover and cover design note to the HC, but there's a problem. PV did a lot of work entering the contents, which nobody did for the 2 records entered earlier, but he got the format wrong and entered it as a collection instead of non-fiction (it has both fiction and non-fiction, so who knows). So some more astute people here should decide what to do, which to keep, possible merges, etc. I'll leave a brief note on PV page about this; they're still active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I still have the TP handy if you want to point me in the right direction. Still mostly a novice at this. I appreciate this resource and like to contribute how I can. [[User:Fenrix1958|Fenrix1958]] ([[User talk:Fenrix1958|talk]]) 21:10, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for responding so quickly. I randomly came across the Bloch book you entered and thought I'd enter the HC edition you mentioned in your note since FantLab has many photos of it, but I found it hard to believe that nobody ever entered it, and after checking further I found both HC and TP editions which, judging by edit history, were entered in the very early days of public editing here. Yours was in 2015, so I'm not sure why a moderator approved it when it already existed and had the same ISBN, but the problem is that you actually did the hard work of entering the numerous contents, unlike the others, but didn't enter the month, made it a PB instead of a TP, made it a collection with Bloch as author instead of non-fiction with Matheson and Mainhardt as editors (I'm not even sure what's correct because it includes Bloch stories but also essays from many other people about Bloch, so anthology, maybe?). So I was wanting people who, unlike me, have been doing this for a very long time to chime in and suggest what should be done because your hard work shouldn't go to waste, but several different people made edits for the edition you didn't enter so it wouldn't be right to just delete that. I've been editing for just over 2 years but am rapidly losing interest due to a variety of reasons, so I won't be of much help to you, I'm afraid; I just do simple stuff these days. Someone else will respond shortly, I'm sure, and this will be resolved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:03, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::This is the most relevant section of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type|the help]]:<br />
::::''NONFICTION. This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction. This includes book-length works of non-fiction or books containing essays by one or more authors. A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant. A single work of fiction in an Isaac Asimov essay collection does not make it a COLLECTION. A book of fiction (NOVEL, COLLECTION, or ANTHOLOGY) containing a generous, but not predominate, amount of non-fiction, such as introductions, essays, and other non-fiction works, should not be typed as NONFICTION. Mixtures of fiction and non-fiction are more usually found in magazines than they are in books, so the question does not often arise.''<br />
:::I'd wait a bit to see if there are any opposing viewpoints, but it looks to me like the book is '''''predominantly''''' the Bloch stories and poem, and most of the essays are introductions to those works. However, it also has more -- and a wider range of -- essays than we would normally see as supplemental material in a typical collection. So it strikes me as a book assembling Bloch works and a lot of other material, as opposed to a book about Bloch that happens to contain some of his works. If you have the book, you can make a more informed judgement that I can. If it's primarily a book of Bloch works, I would use ANTHOLOGY as the least bad fit, with Matheson and Mainhardt as the editors. If the book is primarily about Bloch, then NONFICTION would be more appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:45, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::My edit for the HC was just approved after a long wait (I made a minor error in the note so that new edit still has to be approved), but I think I'm done and so someone should decide what to do with the 2 separate but equal paperback editions now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::HC copy just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, now I'm really done with this and so someone may want to decide what to do re: the above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:35, 31 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. R. Giles/Lamar Giles - Canonical Name ==<br />
<br />
Our canonical name for this author is currently {{A|L. R. Giles}}, presumably because that's how his first three SF stories credited the author back in 2004-2007. However, over the last 6 years he has published 4 SF novels and 2 stories as "Lamar Giles". A 2018 reprint of a 2006 story also used "Lamar Giles".<br />
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Are there any objections to changing the canonical name to "Lamar Giles"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:41, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276372 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase - call for editors to assist ==<br />
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Hello everybody! As all webzines, including those with mainly non-genre content, are now being indexed following a policy change in October 2022 regarding the Rules of Acquisition (as per [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Webzines_inclusion:_Proposed_extension_of_ROA this discussion]), I recently started indexing speculative contributions appearing in the last two-and-a-half years of [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/index.html Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase]. This webzine began publication in 2012 and ceased on 6 May 2022. It will be taken offline permanently on or about 6 May 2023, i.e., in about three months or so. My focus on those issues published between January 2020 and May 2022 is mainly because of the addition of a speculative fiction and poetry section called 'Outta This World' from May of 2020. However, some speculative contributions continued to be published in different sections, such as 'Crumbs' (for drabbles, jokes and short-form poetry) and 'Kid Stuff' (stories and art by under-eighteens) and, prior to the establishment of the 'Outta This World' section, speculative stories and poems could be found in other sections across the site (e.g., in 'The Reading Lamp' and 'Stories'). <br />
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It will be a challenge for me to complete the period from 2020 to 2022 in the three months available but there's no way I can cover the earlier years alone (if at all). Would anyone else be interested in covering the earlier (nine) years? It's possible that after May 2023, most - if not all - of the webzine could continue to be indexed using the Internet Archive but I suspect that lacunae would occasionally be found in the latter's coverage.<br />
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It may be the case that earlier issues contained only a small amount of speculative material so this might facilitate more rapid indexing, though of course the stories, poems and essays will still need to be read to determine their eligibility.<br />
<br />
Note that 'issues' are distributed across different sections and have been archived in different ways (e.g. under a specific section or under a particular author). The final issue appears on the current home page with items shown listed under each section. Each item appearing in the same issue will bear the issue date in brackets after the title. They can be found grouped according to month under most sections, e.g. 'The Reading Lamp' section is indexed for the period December 2013 to May 2020 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/the-reading-lamp-archives.html here] while that for 'Crumbs' is indexed for the period December 2012 to April 2022 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/crumbs-index.html here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, and the series page on ISFDB is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68935 here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:51, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rozic/Rosick ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=letter+to+roger&type=Fiction+Titles; I was adding a few links to stories from bloodrosemag.com that are on ISFDB and this dude's name is a mess. He had a story in Pulphouse which was reprinted many years later in a horror anthology under a different name; his story on Blood Rose, https://www.bloodrosemag.com/archives/sep%202001/craziedaze.html, spells his name differently at top and bottom. I did an edit (pending) making Rozic an alternate name of Rosick, but I'm not touching anything else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ongoing cleanup of post-submission pages ==<br />
<br />
I am in the process of removing obsolete code which was previously used to display post-submission pages and was deactivated last week. I am also making minor improvements to yellow warnings as I go along, e.g. I am currently working on making the "Price" field support multiple yellow warnings. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:07, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Catalog ID- and ISBN-specific yellow warnings have been upgraded to support multiple warnings per entered value. Pre-1970 pubs with an ISBN now generate yellow warnings. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:42, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Price-specific yellow warnings for prices now support multiple warnings per entered value. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yellow warnings for image URLs now support multiple warnings per entered value. Certain odd Amazon URLs may generate more than one warning because they break more than one of our rules. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:35, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Yellow warnings about alternate and/or disambiguated names are no longer displayed for submissions which do not change them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:17, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Broken Galactic Central image links ==<br />
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Can anything be done about this? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 13:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Galactic_Central this post] for an explanation. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Rats! Thanks for the info. Is there a way I can make Google Chrome show the images, by allowing insecure images? I tried allowing both isfdb.org and philsp.com to show insecure content, but it didn't seem to do anything. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I would tell you to switch to a less arrogant browser, but I did a little research and found you can actually convince Chrome to do what you want in this case:<br />
:::<br />
:::# Click on the lock icon to the left of isfdb.org in the address bar.<br />
:::# Click on <code>Site settings</code> in the drop-down menu that appears.<br />
:::# If <code>Privacy and security</code> is not already selected in the list at the left, select it.<br />
:::# You should see a list at the right with "www.isfdb.org" at the top.<br />
:::# Scroll way down through the "Permissions" and look for <code>Insecure content</code> with a danger triangle to the left and "Block (default)" to the right.<br />
:::# Click on the little down-arrow next to "Blocked (default)" and switch to "Allow".<br />
:::<br />
:::That's it. Now if you refresh (or go back to) the ISFDB page with the blocked image, you will see the image.<br />
:::<br />
:::I hope that helps. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:25, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::HOORAY! It works! Thank you so much! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 20:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Biffignandi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107101; https://archive.org/details/aless-andro-biffignandi-illustration-art; https://archive.org/details/sex-and-horror-the-art-of-alessandro-biffignandi; Biff apparently did a ton of art but ISFDB, oddly, only has 2 German krimi covers and an American cover for an Anne McCaffrey book (?!?) Anyway, I have a feeling the books linked above may be of use to those who enter all those obscure foreign covers. Be warned, however; there is much, MUCH nudity, including some pretty racy stuff. I do like the cover near the end of the 2nd book, however, where a weird-looking shark is chasing a woman swimming with a BABY in her arms. Is that an Italian thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Drew S. ==<br />
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Drew Struzan is a well-known artist, today I added a link to an Archive.org copy of a novel he did the cover for, credit was to Drew Struzman, searching for that name only hit on that book, I asked PV who entered it as Struzan to check but SFJuggler doesn't always respond, so if anyone else has a copy of the 1991 Bantam Falcon edition of Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils you may want to check the copyright page. Struzan has no alternate names on ISFDB, so this may be the first. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:43, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Creative Guy From Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?23801; I did some editing for Lucy A. Snyder book, publisher is Canadian, my price fix adding the "C" is the only one, should all be "C"? There's also 1 price missing and 1 where editor entered British price for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Riley Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1468203; Is this, https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/220727_19, actually by David A. Riley, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19937? He has 2 cover art credits, both discovered by me some time ago, and I think this may be another piece of art by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== French Bardin and Dick ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22terrain-vague-pour-la-traduction%22+&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate; I added Archive.org link to Tor TP of P.K. Dick's The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike and added another link to the Paladin edition I did an edit for a long time ago, but there's another edition, a French one, and while searching for other books by the publisher I found they did an edition of Bardin's Deadly Percheron, although the French title is Big Clogs or something similar. So if anyone who regularly enters French editions wants to enter those. Oddly, there are publishers with the same name on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terrain+vague&type=Publisher, but one published LONG before these 2 books came out and the other I'm not sure about, having published only an art book and a French novel, with no translations of American books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Big O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?936; I added a D. Wheatley edition from this publisher and noticed the series, Plus, spells the publisher with a capital O. So should the publisher be spelled with a capital O, too? Also for the other series with A.C. Doyle books? Because on the Wheatley book it does look like they made the O big, since it stands for Oswald and so it makes sense that a person's initial would be capitalized. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:That seems appropriate. I found [https://archive.org/details/untramwaynommemo0000iris this scan] where the cover and title page have a stylized "NéO" logo (where it's hard to tell whether the "O" is capitalized), but title page says "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" and the copyright page says "&copy; Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO) 1981". So it seems they used the big "O". Two more scans corroborating that: [https://archive.org/details/troissaigneursde0000finn] and [https://archive.org/details/lhopitaletautres0000walt]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Based on that title page, the publisher should be "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" rather than "Néo" or "NéO". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:56, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All three of those scans have: "NéO" [in stylized form] (over) "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" on the title page. The copyrights use "Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO)". Dates are 1981, 1982, and 1986. In the 1986 book on the page facing the title page is "Voir liste des libraries NéO en fin de volume." and "Maquette: Studios Knack/NéO" (referring to the cover illustration). The 1982 book's copyright page's list of other books by the same author has a citation that uses "Nouvelles éditions Oswald/NéO". Whether it should be "NéO" or spelled out doesn't seem clear-cut to me. But if the short form is what should be used, then I think it's clear the capitalization should be "NéO", not "Néo". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Yes, the stylized "NéO" is the logo, and the name of the publisher is "Nouvelles éditions Oswald". If the publisher information is on the title page, we always go with that over anything on the copyright page or elsewhere. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:43, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Frankenstein Glut ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569772; PV is very gone, as can be seen there's a bunch of messy details I've tried to note/fix, LCCN ID on OL leads to a record which mentions a collector ed. and a paperback but there's only one edition on ISFDB, copyright page also mentions the 1977 Mews edition was shorter and substantially different and so wouldn't it be considered a separate book? Anyway, I noticed somebody made an edit for a Glut book today so they or someone may want to look at this after it's approved and see if they can do anything more with it. Donald N. will need to be made a variant of his real name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Making of ROTJ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957601; $4.25 edition has been here for years, I added $3.50 edition recently, I moved 2 ID over, $4.25 either is Canadian with higher price, later printing, whatever, but both PV are gone, so if anyone here knows what's up a C should be added to price or date should be changed to 0000, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alien Sex ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192541; Several PV, some active, nobody added Roman numerals to page count, one of the PV should do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Pwendt ==<br />
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Happy New Year (or Groundhog Day)! <br />
I nominate myself for self-approver. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. [[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. Does a good job. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:46, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' (and changing the title of the thread so it is clear what this is for :) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' -- Apologies for missing this earlier and not responding sooner. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Comment'''. I haven't worked on Pwendt's submissions lately, so I'll abstain. One issue that I encountered in the past was lack of clarity in Notes. My recommendation would be using shorter complete sentences with a subject, a predicate and an optional object. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:54, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag set on the account as per the consensus above. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:40, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disch Ruins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285521; I added links to 2 club editions recently, today a link to Arrow edition, Hutchinson edition has no price or cover artist, SFE says Chris Yates, this STAINED eBay copy has a flap photo which is blurry but a 2 seems to be the start of the price, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380896522207, so if anyone can find somewhere that shows better photos or owns a copy then price can be entered and cover artist (on back flap, I assume, although it may just be design) can be entered if warranted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:43, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Turner Diaries ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1601834; I came across a copy, uploaded to Archive.org a little over a year ago, and while making an edit remembered I had done an edit previously, which turned out to be not long before the copy was uploaded (I hate when that happens). Anyway, after my new edit is approved, there's 2 questions: name's spelled Macdonald, not MacDonald, but when changing that it still looks like MacDonald even though it's in a new column so it sees it as a change even though it doesn't look that way. Is that a quirk of ISFDB? More importantly, there's an essay by someone with the same name who I highly doubt is the same guy who wrote this notoriously violent and racist novel, and none of his 5 wives mentioned on his Wikipedia page were named Gina (I suppose it could be a relative), so I'm sure the essay writer, assuming they're still alive (it's been 40 years), would like their name moved to a separate record if they're not that other guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: When you enter or edit an author name, a publisher name, a series name or a publication series name, the ISFDB software first checks the database to see if we already have it on file. The check is not case-sensitive, so "ace books" will find "Ace Books", "george orwell" will find "George Orwell", etc. Once a matching name has been found, the software uses it instead of the form of the name that was actually entered. The process ensures that we don't end up with multiple separate records for the same author/series/publisher/etc due to capitalization mistakes during the data entry process. If we determine that the capitalization of the canonical name/series name/etc is incorrect, as is apparently the case with {{A|Andrew MacDonald}}, we can edit the main record directly.<br />
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: That said, the fact that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574438 this submission] shows "Andrew MacDonald" in the "Proposed Changes" column may be a bug. I'll take a closer look tomorrow. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:17, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I have confirmed that this problem affects both Edit Title and Edit Publication. {{Bug|826}}, "Edit Title and Edit Pub do not check for author case properly", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:23, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Coincidentally, famous artist LeRoy Neiman has all 4 of his credits on ISFDB as Leroy. Fixing the first one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575086, I subbed R but pending edit says r. So I assume it takes a while for your bug fix to start working? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:54, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{Bug|826}} is just a document describing the reported bug and how to recreate it. I am currently working on a software patch which should fix the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:39, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Red Skelton Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575145; I asked about this last July 4 on this board, MartyD agreed with adding the "e", neither of us ever fixed it, I came across this randomly today and am finally fixing it. I trust nobody has any objection? PV is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Price Of Three Women ==<br />
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This is a bit complicated. A stray mention of Anne McCaffrey on this site spurred me to see if I could enter anything interesting by her, skipping over her endless Pern books, and I decided to start with her non-genre works. That was a mistake. She published 3 gothic novels in the 70's which were collected by Tor as Three Women and published in either Dec. 1991 or Jan. 1992. So searching ISBN on OL found a record with no book but it did find a copy on Archive.org; searching for their URL, threewomen00mcca, on OL found a record with a link to the copy, so why ISBN doesn't is unknown because it's there on the page. Anyway, the copy is ancient, having been uploaded in 2010, but is missing the copyright page. Noticing the price was higher I created a new record with an "unknown" date and a note about it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575697. The problem is that I can't find a single photo online of a cover with the $4.99 price on it; I suspect there is none and the real original price was $5.99. Locus has much incorrect info, and searching ISBN in contents found these, https://archive.org/search?query=0-812-50587-5&sin=TXT; ignoring the 4 unrelated books, that Brown/Contento book is Locus with the same info found on their site, but that YA guide says $5.99. I find it very strange that multiple copies with extensive photos can't be found since most of her books were big sellers with large print runs and many were reprinted. I was going to cancel my edit and just add the copy link and the page numbers to the existing record, but decided not to because there's still a slim possibility it was originally $4.99. So check your shelves or the dark corners of the web, readers, and let me know if you can find a copy with that price. EDIT: My edit was rejected for some reason over my head so if anyone else wants to enter it, go ahead. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you were confused as to why it was rejected, you could have asked. I rejected it because it was creating an new OMNIBUS record without any content. Nor was there a moderator note stating that you intended to add the content in a subsequent edit. There are three ways you could have added this publication record. You could use the add publication tool, and manually add the contained novels in one edit. Then you would need to merge each novel separately. You could also use the add publication and in a subsequent edit import the three novel titles. If this was your intent, it's a good idea to note this in the Moderator notes, so that we'll know that you intend to finish the edit. However, the most efficient way to add this publication is with the Clone this Pub tool. That way, all the contained novels will automatically be copied and it will all be accomplished in a single edit rather than 2 or 4 edits. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stockholders in Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3560; Archive.org copy of #7 since 2010 that nobody ever entered here so I just did in a (pending) edit, but publisher is Warner PL; several entries omit the Warner on ISFDB, so should all of them, including this one, be made Warner PL, too? Did PL, no Warner, publish any of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author name validation enhancements ==<br />
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The way the ISFDB software handles author names in Edit Title, New Pub, Add Pub, Clone Pub, and Edit Pub has been enhanced. The following scenarios are now processed correctly:<br />
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* The same author name is entered using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" is changed to "david weber"<br />
* The order of co-author, co-artist, co-interviewee, co-interviewer, co-reviewer or co-reviewee names is changed<br />
* The same author name is entered two or more times (for the same title) using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" and then again "david weber"<br />
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In all of these cases the software now ignores the submitted "change".<br />
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Hopefully every permutation has been addressed/fixed. If you come across anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great SF About Doctors ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22Great+science+fiction+about+doctors%22; I added a link to original edition, fourth printing is on ISFDB with correct date but wrong printing and date in note, I added a link and fixed the note, cover artist is Don Ivan just like the fifth printing, so there's a lot of confusion, especially since the 2nd printing has no PV and nobody's entered the 3rd. So maybe someone can look into that and unmerge/un-variant; I have a feeling all the editions with that cover have Don Ivan on the back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== C. Alexander London canonical name ==<br />
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Are there any objections to swapping the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231877 here] to Alex London. The longer name had not been used for a long time and all new books use the shorter name. SFE also has the record under Alex London. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's a slightly unusual case in that his first series appeared as by "Alex London", the second one came out as by "C. Alexander London" and the last two went back to "Alex London". Be that as it may, "Alex London" is currently leading 8:3, so I think it should be the canonical name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series with non-fiction and short-fiction only ==<br />
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When a series has only non-fiction and short-fiction in it, it shows up in an author list as a "Nonfiction Series" (As the only container title is non-fiction, it kinda makes sense). However, it is factually wrong and we are a fiction DB after all. As novellas/novelettes are popular (both as "juvenile novels under 40K" and as self-published or e-only non-juveniles), this is happening more and more often. As soon as a collection of more than one of the stories show up, the collection title bumps the series into the Fiction category. But in the meantime, it lags under Non-fiction.<br />
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Any chance to have these shown up in the Fiction series list? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37710 this series]. See where it shows on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112144 author page]. Thanks! <br />
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PS: Another related case is a series with only short-fiction. Now these show all the way at the bottom, with the short fiction until they get a collection and then they sail up under Fiction series. Maybe we can solve both usecases together and just treat short fiction entries as the fiction containers and just list all fiction series under the normal series heading. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am looking at the code that drives the Summary Bibliography page and here is what I am seeing.<br />
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: First, the software organizes all titles by series. Then it builds "series hierarchies" so that embedded series appear under the top series -- note how "Star Wars: The Clone Wars (animated)" appears under "Star Wars: Clone Wars", which appears under "Star Wars Universe" on {{A|Tracey West}}'s page. Then it checks the title type of each parent title in each "series hierarchy" to determine which section of the Summary page the hierarchy belongs under. The current logic is as follows:<br />
:* If a "series hierarchy" contains at least one NOVEL, COLLECTION, or SERIAL title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
:* OTHERWISE:<br />
:** If it contains at least one ANTHOLOGY title, it is displayed in the "Anthology Series" section.<br />
:** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*** If it contains at least one NONFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section.<br />
:*** OTHERWISE:<br />
:**** If it contains at least one OMNIBUS title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section. (This check is performed after the ANTHOLOGY and NONFICTION checks so that OMNIBUSES with only ANTHOLOGY/NONFICTION titles would appear in their respective Anthology/Nonfiction series sections.)<br />
:**** OTHERWISE:<br />
:***** If it contains at least one SHORTFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Short Fiction Series" section.<br />
:***** OTHERWISE:<br />
:****** If it contains at least one POEM title, it is displayed in the "Poem Series" section.<br />
:****** OTHERWISE:<br />
:******* If it contains at least one ESSAY title, it is displayed in the "Essay Series" section.<br />
:******* OTHERWISE:<br />
:******** If it contains at least one COVERART title, it is displayed in the "Cover Art Series" section.<br />
:******** OTHERWISE:<br />
:********* If it contains at least one INTERIORART title, it is displayed in the "Interior Art Series" section.<br />
:********* OTHERWISE:<br />
:********** If it contains at least one REVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Review Series" section.<br />
:********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*********** If it contains at least one INTERVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Interview Series" section.<br />
:*********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:************ If it contains at least one title of some other type, it is displayed in the "Other Series" section. (This should never happen because CHAPBOOKs cannot be added to series.)<br />
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: Once all eligible titles have been placed into series, the displayed order of sections is as follows:<br />
:* Fiction Series<br />
:* Standalone novels<br />
:* Standalone collections<br />
:* Standalone omnibuses<br />
:* Standalone serials (should never happen because SERIAL titles are supposed to be turned into variants)<br />
:* EDITOR series<br />
:* Anthology Series<br />
:* Standalone anthologies<br />
:* Standalone chapbooks<br />
:* Nonfiction series<br />
:* Standalone nonfiction<br />
:* Short Fiction series<br />
:* Standalone short fiction<br />
:* Poem series<br />
:* Standalone poems<br />
:* Cover art series<br />
:* Standalone cover art<br />
:* Interior art series<br />
:* Standalone interior art<br />
:* Review series<br />
:* Standalone reviews<br />
:* Interview series<br />
:* Standalone interviews<br />
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: If we decide that we want to fold the "Short Fiction Series" section into the "Fiction Series" section, it would be easy to add "SHORTFICTION" to the list of title types which trigger placement in the "Fiction Series" series, then delete the "Short Fiction Series" section. It would also take care of the NONFICTION issue since series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION titles would appear in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
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: As to whether combining "Fiction Series" and "Shortfiction" would be a desirable change, I'll have to think about it. Annie's example is a good argument in favor of making the change, but then non-series short fiction, which appears below magazines, anthologies, chapbooks and non-fiction, would be treated differently than the other title types which drive inclusion in the "Fiction Series" section. I guess we could move the "[standalone] Short Fiction" section up the page, but then it would be above book-length works like magazines and anthologies. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::What a blast from the past! I remember working on that code.... The organizational thought behind that evaluation chain was that "books" should be the primary driver of the series type. But perhaps that's a mistake when it comes to NONFICTION. It seems reasonable to suppose there might be a NONFICTION work about any series of works, and if we want to put that NONFICTION work into the series, it shouldn't affect the series type, whatever that may be. So maybe it would be best to move NONFICTION to the bottom of the chain. just before the "Other Series" catch-all. Then Nonfiction Series would only contain NONFICTION. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Currently, a series with a mix of NONFICTION, ESSAY, COVERART, INTERIORART, REVIEW and INTERVIEW titles is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section. Would you say that it should be displayed in the "Essay Series" section instead? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:24, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The one gotcha I see with that is a nonfiction series that happens to contain an OMNIBUS as well (do we allow that?); we wouldn't want that to end up in Fiction Series. So that evaluation might need a tweak of some sort. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The official [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub rule is]: "A publication may be classified as an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION." So technically - yes, an omnibus can contain 3 NONFICTION items. In practice it is rare but it happens. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{A|H. P. Lovecraft}}'s [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309615 ''Collected Essays: Complete''], which collects HPL's essays originally published as 5 NONFICTION volumes, would be one example. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe the easiest way will be in the omnibus line to have a secondary check if there is at least one SHORTFICTION or POEM title - everything else on the fiction side is before the Omnibus so we will only reach that case when there are no novels and collections/anthologies. <br />
::: I won't insist on moving short fiction series higher but... I still think that having fiction series in two different places on the screen is confusing, especially for authors who write on the border between novella and novel and that end up with their series split in weird ways. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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I have changed the software to display series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION/POEM titles in the "Fiction Series" section. We may want to start another discussion about merging the two "Fiction Series" sections. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Embedded HTML is now displayed correctly ==<br />
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After close to a hundred patches over the course of many months, embedded HTML is now displayed correctly on all ISFDB pages. If you come across any irregularities or bugs, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What does embedded HTML mean? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Consider [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2145123 this record] whose title is "<sarcasm>Adventures in Gaming</sarcasm>". It could just as easily be "<nowiki><b>Adventures in Gaming</b></nowiki>". Angle brackets like "<" and ">" are the building blocks of HTML tags, so browsers interpret them as HTML commands to use bold, italics, underlining, etc. Or, in the case of "<sarcasm>" just stand around looking very confused :-) That's what "embedded HTML" is.<br />
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:: In order to prevent browser confusion, the ISFDB software needs to do something special to tell the browser that these particular angle brackets should be simply displayed "as is" instead of being interpreted as HTML commands. It took me a while to get everything updated, but I think I am finally done. I think I'll go have a tankard of non-alcoholic Klingon ale to celebrate :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::<clanks tankard/> For the Empire! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:29, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MV of SK ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5579477; It says 19.95 on back, librarian typed 21.95 on first page like ISFDB says, Locusmag says 19.95 but also says 1989 is the date yet they didn't see it until Aug. '90 for some reason, after this is approved someone more hip to these tangled Starmont/Borgo things may know more about if this is a 2nd printing, if they suddenly decided to raise the price before the 1st printing, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== HELP! A Bear Is Eating Me! ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL9881165A/Mykle_Hansen; English edition just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, but French version uploaded back in 2021 in case anyone wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFE Clute ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5581010; Why is this happening now? Did they change again? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This is the first "clute_uk" URL that I have seen. I am going to ask the SFE administrator whether it's a typo or a new part of their URL structure. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:31, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It turns out that "clute_uk" is a new publicly "linkable" subdirectory. I have updated the software to recognize it as legitimate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:48, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bradbury's Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?38262; Search on Archive.org only brings up 1 copy but as can be seen at the OL link, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5981610M/Twice_twenty-two, there's 1 of those weird "preview" copies; it doesn't really have the cover art like the thumbnail shows, just red cloth binding like the other copy, but it's a different copy. So if anybody knows which edition they belong in, if it's one of those later ones mentioned in the ISFDB notes, etc., then link(s) can be added; note also that OL mentions a 1994 Buccaneer edition. Also, Mugnaini's cover art was missing the month and his frontispiece was only included and dated based on the book club edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=twice+twenty&type=All+Titles, so I've fixed all that in (pending) edits; note also the last entry with a month that matches neither edition and is from a Virgil Finlay book. What's that about? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tainaron ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1440471; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=13630&recCount=25&recPointer=3&bibId=3359893; The original Finnish edition is not on ISFDB but it is on the Library of Congress site in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. I just added an Archive.org link to the Prime Books edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Grindhouse ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/grindhousethesle0000unse; Would the inclusion of the entire screenplay for Planet Terror qualify this for entry here? I've been wanting to find something with Tarantino's name on it so I can add his bio and find the most unflattering photo of him possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Richard Morris ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147497; Interview is with this guy, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0606889/, not the guy from the 1800's, but does that interview about a movie really belong here? If it does, some addition to interviewee's name is needed to differ him from the dead guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:50, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'll differentiate the name: thanks for finding this. The interview does belong here because it was published in a genre magazine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:36, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whimper of Whipped Dogs ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=whipped+dogs&type=All+Titles; Today is the anniversary of 911 calls here in America, starting in 1968 and prompted by the murder of Kitty Genovese a few years earlier which was the inspiration for this story by Harlan Ellison. I was looking for an online PDF and found this, https://xpressenglish.com/whipped-dogs/. I'm going to add the link but I'm curious where that drawing came from. Anyone recognize it? also, at the link above, the 2 essays seem like the same thing but there's no variant. Are they the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:24, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lester Dent Bibliography ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lester+dent+bibliography&type=All+Titles; https://archive.org/details/lester_dent_bibliography; 1996 date doesn't match either version on ISFDB and it seems to have been published as an e-book or something. Lots of Doc Savage work done recently here so maybe somebody wants to enter this or at least knows where it originally came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Squires Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?834417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?173963; I added an Archive.org link to the Leisure edition by Knight and checked his real name and found that he originally published What Rough Beast under that name. What's the variant rules here? Who's the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:45, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Where it's only one title under each name, it doesn't matter much. But I found an archived copy of his website http://www.harrysquires.com/ in the Wayback Machine, and in a 2012 version there is: "Now writing horror as H.R. Knight, Harry...". So it seems he deliberately changed his horror-writing identity from Squires to Knight. So I'd make Knight the canonical (which also works well because the publications under that name are more recent and more plentiful). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:01, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Post-submission display of Contents sections improved ==<br />
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The way Contents sections are displayed on post-submission pages is in the process of being changed. At this point NewPub and AddPub submissions have been upgraded. Their Contents sections now properly display multiple yellow warnings when warranted. They also indicate which submitted author name is new, which one is an alternate name or which one is a disambiguated name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Filaria ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258490; A copy was uploaded a few months ago on Archive.org; it revealed that the page count and the price here were wrong, I fixed those and added the link, but the review at Strange Horizons calls this the first book from Chizine and says 2008, as do all copyrights in the book itself. Why it has a late 2009 date here I don't know, and I also don't know why there's such a big gap between the first Chizine book here, January 2009, and the rest of their 2009 books. So real date is needed for this book and probably others from this publisher. Also, while researching this I saw an expired eBay sale for a 100-copy HC, which I believe Chizine did for many of their books, often including extra material, but very few seem to have been entered here, so there's that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Earthman, Come Home ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229485; I noticed a M. Ayme Mayflower edition said Dell on cover and Google Books had it with Mayflower-Dell on copyright page so I fixed that but this isn't on Google. It says Dell on cover, both PV haven't been around for years, but knowing these old paperbacks I hesitate to fix it without someone seeing a copyright page. So if anyone owns this edition can you check and see what it says inside the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:17, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Come Softly, Come Sweetly... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362038; I added info to the only issue of D. Sutton's British Shadow fanzine, from 1971, that's on ISFDB and Eddy C. Bertin has a story, "Come Softly, Come Sweetly", in it which isn't on ISFDB but his 1971 Dutch collection, linked above, has a title which translates to the English title, just with added words, so any Dutch people who are familiar with his extensive bibliography will probably know which came first and can variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:36, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?325553; Does that seem right? It should be other people named Mark Williams, shouldn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Two things: (1) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is matched up with forms of "Mark" is a bug. I would bet the issue is the "(". The ambiguity matching logic probably isn't paying attention to whether the parenthesized expression is at the end or is embedded in the middle. (2) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is not matched up with forms of "Mark Williams" is a limitation/feature of the current matching, which doesn't consider names containing middle names (or initials, etc.) to be ambiguous vis-a-vis the same combination of first and last name without any middle name. I don't think we'd want "Mark XYZ Williams" to be shown as ambiguous with "Mark Williams", but I guess I could see showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams". You'd have to lobby Ahasuerus on that one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:41, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|827}}, "'Same name' logic fails for records with embedded parentheses", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: It should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting the problem.<br />
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::: Re: ''showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams"'', that's a whole different can of worms. If you do a name search on "John%Smith", you'll get a list of a dozen names, including:<br />
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::: First we'd have to decide which ones are considered ambiguous. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:04, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Created By Matheson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8191; The advance reading copy, https://archive.org/details/createdby00math, says 352 pages on the first page, it's actually 344, ISFDB says 324. Anyone own a copy who can verify what the actual page count is? There are also Roman numerals at the front; no editions here have them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brutarian ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=brutarian&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Heads up that someone, after uploading 3 random issues years ago, started uploading more issues recently. This was not strictly a genre magazine but included some genre fiction/non-fiction, especially in later issues, some of it by big names. ISFDB only has a few late issues entered; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=brutarian&type=Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing issues on the newsstand at some store in New York City back in the 1990's or maybe a bit later, so it got some distribution, I guess. I got an R. Crumb vibe from it, though, probably due to the type of cover art they used, and didn't really peruse it. Crumb's art always made me nervous for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bonus fiction in novels ==<br />
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Why is a 'bonus' short fiction title allowed in a novel, but a serial installment is specifically excluded? There are a number of publications, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714319 example 1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714583 example 2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714262 example 3], where we're forced to misclassify what is clearly a serial installment. I don't see a downside to lifting the exclusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Because allowing SERIALs in books at all is a relatively new development. It used to be magazines and fanzines only. Then we allowed chapbooks. I think we should allow it in anthologies, novels and collections as well - especially because Magazines reprints are added as anthologies/collections AND because in our digital world, serials are used as bonus almost anywhere. Post over on R&S and we can hash it out and change the rules for serials. One thing to make sure we clearly separate - excerpts vs serials (it is intent that separates them essentially) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moonchasers TP ==<br />
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I've done a lot of Ed Gorman edits recently and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334, is a problem because the HC is & on the title page but no photos of the TP title page can be found. Does anyone own the TP? I've got a half-dozen edits on hold because mod won't change unless I show that it's & in the TP title, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sword & Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33789; Some weeks-old edit of mine was finally approved, fixing an artist's name in one of these issues, but now that I look at the series page something's not right. Why do only the last 2 issues have a comma after the issue #? Also, is the # really supposed to be in any of them instead of in the notes? Isn't that magazine policy there? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The title records reflected the individual publication titles since they hadn't been 'rolled up' by year. I took care of that.<br />
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:* The placement of the comma, in a periodical title, controls what is displayed in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?33789 issue grid]. Basically, everything after the first comma appears in the grid except the year as long as it matches the date field. If the year differs, it will also be displayed. Notice how the issue number doesn't appear in the two titles you question.<br />
:* Yes, current policy is to show the issue number in the publication notes. 21:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Flashing Swords! Help ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8495; I've just added Archive.org links in (pending) edits to #1 (2 Doubleday), #2 (Mayflower), #3 (2 Dell), #4 (2 1977 Doubleday), and #5 (Doubleday). Now there are some issues. Some people unnecessarily entered the series title in the book title, others didn't; some people entered Roman numerals in the page count, others didn't; some people entered the book title as it appears on the title page, others didn't. Also, #3 doesn't have the Doubleday book club edition entered; #'s 1, 2, and 4 have the book club dates as earlier than the Dell PB dates but #5 has both as the same date, so it's possible that the story dates for #3 are wrong because the book club edition was probably published earlier. There are many PV for all volumes so if any of them would like to add/fix anything it would help. EDIT: The only thing I fixed was importing Carter's essay in #1, "A Last Word", to the Doubleday edition; it was only entered here in the Dell edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Backward(s) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?93690; I just stumbled across a copy of Mitchell's Crystal Man which was uploaded in June of 2022 so I added a link and the missing page numbers to the many stories included in that book, but I noticed 1 story, "The Clock That Went Backwards", is actually "Backward". According to ISFDB the only instances of the singular title are the original, uncredited appearance in a newspaper and reprints in various books starting in 2013. So when my edit is approved that story needs merging with the singular or removing/adding the singular or whatever needs doing; the question now is if it really was the plural in the many books it appeared in between the above collection in 1973 and 2013. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, Pwendt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Secret Asia's Blackest Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855765; Something in the recent edits accidentally led me to this and some of those titles are already on ISFDB, specifically the Webb which was published in 2014 as "U-PAO. The Black Sutra", the Blackmore which is in 3 separate books on ISFDB starting in 2007, not 2009, and the Carter/Cornford story which is under the same title in 3 merged publications but its appearance in this book wasn't merged even though the editor did at least date it correctly as 1997. Person who entered it hasn't responded to anything for a long time so if anyone owns a copy a lot of re-dating/re-titling/merging is probably in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Borgo Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5592414; One of those annoying situations where they include both editions but don't specify which it is. Was it Borgo's style to print the correct barcode in red as it appears on the back cover in the Archive.org copy or is that totally unrelated and somebody just felt like coloring it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== O.J.'s Nightmare ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1706087; Willem and Bob PV separate editions, pretty sure it should be David, also could be related to other artists named Bowers, first name starts with D, here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Maelstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593175; A challenge to anyone who can find a bigger cover image and replace mine. This anthology has been on ISFDB for years and there are a few online mentions of it including Locus where the contents came from but, as can be seen in the notes, it seems to have either been barely published or not at all. While on an archived author's site I was trying to get info from there was an image in her bibliography of this book so I uploaded the .jpg, but it was very tiny and after blowing it up as big as allowable here the author names are illegible. The title and cover art still come through nicely, though. Maybe someone here actually owns a copy (HA!)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Further Adventures of Batman Printing Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34733; https://archive.org/details/furtheradventure00gree; There's a bit of confusion here. The original printing was July, PV Vasha77 did the 2nd printing but made an error by entering the month based on an ad on the last page which says 10/87 when the book was obviously published in '89, Archive copy above is a 3rd printing not on ISFDB with that same ad but 2 pages before it is an ad for G.R.R. Martin's Wild Cards with 7/89 on it. So since PV is gone and it was transient anyway I suggest we change month of 2nd to July also and then enter the 3rd with that month, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Goldstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25621; My edit making R. Goldstrom an alternate of Robert was just approved but I see there's 2 separate credits for Skeleton-in-Waiting. I think they need merging or something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Merged, as you correctly pointed out. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:05, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Davis Grubb Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5783; I've done a few edits for his rare 1978 collection Siege of 318 and recently stumbled on the fact that the title story was a retitled reprint of "Cry Havoc", which is why both have a 1976 date here. I've made a variant but I am suspicious that "The Idiots" from the 1976 horror anthology Frights and "The Idiot" are the same, too. Does anyone own a copy who can compare the 2 stories? Frights has an Archive.org link so story is readable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Content sections of Clone/Import/Export upgraded ==<br />
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The Content sections of Clone/Import/Export Publication post-submission pages have been upgraded. Rows can now display multiple yellow warnings per row. Yellow warnings are now more specific, telling you which authors they refer to. Auto-merge rows no longer warn you about disambiguated/alternate author/artist names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Changing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36975; I added LCCN ID and noticed 244 pages which is a lot different than 320. No online copies I can see so if anyone owns this can you check page count and fix if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Derek Neville ==<br />
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https://kylerader.net/2014/12/30/ghost-box-a-discussion-with-author-derek-neville/; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161858; I suspected the short story was not by the old Neville; there's a guy with the same name who self-published Ghost Box, which isn't on ISFDB but should be, but the only mentions of that name and the short story's title are our site and this, https://kristipetersenschoonover.com/2015/01/12/shitty-almonds-now-available-in-bugs-teaser-toc-here/. So story author should probably get a (I) after their name or something to differ them but unsure whether the same Neville wrote Ghost Box, although it seems likely. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?359885 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:57, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Needs space after 1st period of artist to make it the same as artist already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looks like that was handled as I can't see what you mean. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:41, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Scifibones fixed it today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1995 SPGA Showcase ==<br />
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http://www.locusmag.com/index/t742.htm#A37177; The Goldman story has the right original date on ISFDB but no mention of where it came from so I entered the info that it originally came from this anthology; the Everson story has the wrong date (2007), a different title ("Warming the Women"), and no mention of where it came from, so I added where it came from but didn't change date or title because it may have the same title in the anthology and should be merged or it really is different in which case it would be a variant; the Jacob story already has a note here about where it first came from. The Danley work being a story is suspicious because all his works (as Robert C. Danley) on ISFDB are poems; it's also weird that Locus listed all the poems after the stories instead of listing everything in order. So on the very slim chance that anyone owns the anthology some fixes would probably be needed after entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938058 that anthology here]. If it turns out the Danley work is actually a poem, we can easily change it. In the meantime, it's listed now. I also varianted the Everson story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:37, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Phantom Fango Edit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5595657; I'm confused about something. I haven't looked at any Fangoria issues for a long time, while doing Drake Douglas edits I noticed he had 1 review for a book by himself, I knew he probably wouldn't review his own book and found it was just an entry mistake and it was actually Stanley Wiater, who did the other reviews in that issue; I asked PV about it and they responded but didn't indicate they were going to fix it themselves, but now I see that it was changed to the correct reviewer but I don't see where that was done by anyone in the review record or issue record. Am I missing something? I assume I can just cancel my edit now, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Look at the last edit to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?841501 publication] containing the review. Yes, go ahead and cancel your submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:11, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Anthony Izzo Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597760; I'm not sure what's going on here. I thought this novel was not on ISFDB because the title was not in the author's record but after entering a new record the ISBN is a duplicate of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99881. Izzo mentions the title change here, https://www.anthonyizzo.com/post/author-anthony-izzo-s-latest-thriller-novel. So the existing record seems to have been entered from pre-release info on Amazon, maybe, before the title was changed. So what's to be done? Delete Unforgiven? It has a "P" cover image, wrong format, old ISBN-10 instead of ISBN-13 for a 2007 book, etc. (also see my note in Evil Harvest about confusion with ISBN-13, too). Or leave it and make the 2 titles alternates? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:06, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Evil Harvest edit was just approved; still awaiting reply on what should be done here. Anyone? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Beehive Book Award ==<br />
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The [http://www.claubeehive.org/about-the-beehive-book-awards.html Beehive Book Award] given out by the Children's Literature Association of Utah in the following categories:<br />
*Children's Fiction (chapter books)<br />
*Picture Books<br />
*Informational Books<br />
*Poetry<br />
*Graphic Novels<br />
*Young Adult Fiction<br />
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The books nominated and awarded are not limited to those by Utahns, though. It's voted on by children in the state of Utah from a list of nominees submitted by volunteers. It covers more than just speculative fiction works, but there are quite a few speculative fiction authors whose works have been nominated and/or won over the years. See the lists [http://www.claubeehive.org/past-winners--nominees.html here]. I'll be happy to populate the award if it's added. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see all the usual suspects: Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander, Jane Yolen, Ursula Vernon, Brandon Mull, etc. Looks legitimate to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?102 Done.] Sorry, I forgot all about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Arrow Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282; In tribute to Christopher Fowler, who just died, I started to add as much info as I could to his books and almost immediately ran into trouble. I added an Archive.org link to the original Ballantine edition but there's also an Arrow edition; however, there's 2 records here with one being entered in the very early days of this site and PV by a long-gone person while the other is much more fleshed out but not PV. Which should be kept and given the link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:They look like they are probably duplicates of each other. Anyone else have any different thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The "September 1989" pub was verified against the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b177.htm#A2341 Locus Index], which says:<br />
::* Roofworld (Legend 0-09-962340-4, Sep ’89 [Aug ’89], £3.99, 396pp, pb) Reprint (Ballantine/Legend 1988) sf novel.<br />
:: It would appear that "September 1989" comes from Locus. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== What The F ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fer+ward&type=Name; Unusual situation here where one would assume the second name is wrong but that's actually her name; the first name only has 1 credit and searching Amazon Look Inside it does say Jennifer on contents page but typing Jenniffer gets 1 hit, so possibly it's spelled correctly at the head of the story in case anyone who has an Amazon account can verify and fix/variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553261 ''Dreamless''], it's "Jenniffer Wardell" on the cover, on the copyright page and on the title page. The "Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data" section says that she was born in 1981. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::A full view on Amazon inside the book in which her name was entered here as Jennifer is needed because her real name per online info is Jenniffer and while contents page of that book says Jennifer a search inside gets a hit for Jenniffer, so I don't want a false variant name created (there's already way too many of those here) if it really should just have an "f" added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Searching the Amazon Look Inside for {{P|577626|100 Worlds}} shows that the "Object Lesson" title page uses "Jennifer Wardell". The "About the Author" does list her as "Jenniffer", but we enter per the title page. I have created an alternate name and varianted the story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baen vs. Baen Books ==<br />
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We have separate publisher listings for Baen and Baen Books. The top of both these records has "Do NOT merge this with [other version], there are two completely different timeframes and three different logos". However,<br />
*{{Pubr|38|Baen}} has books from 1984 - 2023<br />
*{{Pubr|55837|Baen Books}} has books from 1985 - 1992, 1995 - 1996, 2004 - 2006, 2022 - 2023<br />
So we are not separating them out as per the note. I don't see the need to have separate versions as we already normalize minor changes in publisher names and that information can easily be handled in a note. However, if we are going to have separate versions, then the time ranges should be added to the notes and the relevant books updated appropriately. The editor who added the note is no longer active so cannot ask them about it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:22, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: I would draw a parallel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?37 Ace Books], with multiple addresses and ownership detailed in a separate ISFDB [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publisher:Ace wiki page]. I also see no reason beyond whether they care credited differently in the books (Baen vs. Baen Books) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:00, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: A couple of thoughts. First, spot-checking some recently published Baen books, I see that they apparently use "Baen Books" and "Baen" interchangeable. For example, the copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929303 ''Dead Man Walking''], which was published on 2023-02-07, says:<br />
::* A Baen Book<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* First Baen Printing<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: The copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?931957 ''What Price Victory?''], which was published on the same day, says:<br />
::* A Baen Books Original<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: Note the use of "A Baen Book" in the first case and "A Baen Books Original" in the second case. The lack of the word "Original" in ''Dead Man Walking'' is due to the fact that it's a US reprint of a UK book, but otherwise "Baen" and "Baen Books" are used interchangeably.<br />
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:: Second, in an ideal world, we would capture two separate values: "publisher name as stated in the publication" and "canonical name of the publisher"; it would be similar to the way we treat variant titles and canonical names. Since we don't have this functionality implemented, I think it would be best to merge the two publisher records. Updating Notes would be nice, but, given the mixed use of the two names (as seen above), it may be more hassle that it's worth. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:43, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::What does it state on the title page, though? We generally go with that over what it states on the copyright page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:31, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Unfortunately, Amazon.com's Look Inside tends to use e-books' data for paper editions and e-books don't always have clearly defined title pages. I have many older Baen books in my paper collection, but nothing recent, so I can't check. For what it's worth, Look Inside shows that the two pubs linked above do not mentions the publisher in the "title page" sections. The sections immediately below them say "BAEN BOOKS by [author name]: [list of titles]", but that doesn't clarify things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:13, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::All of the recent ones I have just have the Baen logo at the bottom of the title page, so I'd go with "Baen". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions tweaked ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions have been adjusted to display more information about the title record that the new publication will be merged with. The "auto-merge" line now displays the same title information, including variant/translation data, that is displayed in the Contents sections of Publication pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dash or 00 ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Dark_Carnival_Date; Re: this discussion, do any experts here know of a way to automatically change all LCCN entered on this site, pre-whatever the date was when they changed from using a dash to zeros, from zeros to dash? I just enter them as they are on their site but, even though it makes no real difference because links lead to the records whether they have dashes or zeros, it would be better, I suppose, to have them as they appear in the books. Now all this is assuming that all pre-change LCCN had dashes and all post-change LCCN have zeroes, which I'm sure isn't true, but anyway I thought I'd ask. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vuk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kostic&type=Name; Vuk Kostic and Vukkostic are the same, I assume, 1 says Serbian and the other English, in case anyone wants to decide which should be the parent and which the variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Day Khrus(h)chev Panicked ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1618562; Did some edits a long time ago, came across it again today and added cover images and LCCN ID to both HC, Brits spelled name in title without a middle H, Yanks with a middle H. I fixed that for Cassell (title page seen on Cracabond Books, a site I don't think I've ever heard of before), Random House title page on Google confirms the middle H, Macfadden in Google Images confirms the middle H, if Digit title page can be seen then we'll know all and main title can be changed and American editions' title can be a variant (there's also a UK Ensign edition on AbeBooks without the middle H on the cover, so I think it's safe to say American H, British no H). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; I added a bunch of Kenneth Bulmer edits yesterday, and this, the last one, was just adding an Archive.org link, but then I noticed the month doesn't match the one in the note. I asked RTrace since I saw his name at the top of the edit history but he was no help, and of the PV the first guy's dead, the next 3 are gone (probably), and the last guy is still around but doesn't seem interested much in this site these days, so maybe Glenn is the only one who may respond helpfully; why is the month, which does say July in the book, April on this site? Fix needed IMO. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub submissions have been enhanced.<br />
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AddPub/ClonePubs pages now display a yellow warning if the title type of the associated title record has been changed since the submission was created. The "Title Data" section of NewPub/AddPub pages has been standardized to use the same fields, field names and field order as EditTitles' post-submission pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:08, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Disambiguated author" yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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Post-submission yellow warnings for disambiguated authors have been upgraded. They now use the same algorithm as "There are other authors with the same name" displayed at the top of Summary pages.<br />
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This means that "A" will no longer be erroneously reported as a disambiguated name based on the existence of "A (W) Hendry". It also means that "Stephen King (I)" or "G. S. (artist)" will generate yellow warnings informing the reviewing moderator that they are disambiguated names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:00, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request == <br />
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Hello,<br />
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with around 10.000 changes to ISFDB since 2013 and also lots of source-code contributions I did really a lot for ISFDB and very seldom my edits have been rejected. As nowadays it takes extremely long to moderate submissions I'd like to have Self-Approver state. Hopefully that also leads to me adding a lot of my own books which I skipped until now.<br />
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As is probably known I'm not 100% happy with the way ISFDB works but adhere to the given rules. Thus I'll not use any additional rights I get to do more than now, but restrict my Self-Approver privilege to situations which I think consensus exists (misjudgment in individual cases included :-). For changes which could be troublesome I'd leave these submissions for other moderators to review (I assume that's still possible?).<br />
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--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 07:33, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Dirk! Alas, I do have some reservation about that privilege: while you did quite a lot of valuable source-code contributions, I have the feeling that many (if not all) of your publication additions to the database lack the quality we usually try to achieve, especially in sourcing the data (that is: giving the sources for the date of publication and the art credit; I personally think that also statements for the edition - first [language, tp, pb, hc, ...] would be welcome). <br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938811 Here] is a quite recent example (this one also has a seemingly wrong format, since the vast majority of publications by this publisher with the same format are defined as pb). Many of your added / verified publications have stub notes or none at all, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430657 this one]. (Also, many verified pub.s have missing or erroneous publication series, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?807320 this] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?729179 this], the first example being again a stub record). <br />
:On the whole, most seem somewhat hastily added, and I'd like to see some more quality in added and especially PV'd publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:42, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. I usually only add the minimum amount, because it's simply to much hassle to get it correct with a turnaround of multiple days for a change. It takes weeks to enter a single book correctly, especially as there is no preview feature yet and I have to redo everything when I make an error. Thus I only add the information which is required and important, nothing else. I certainly don't add all the information which it seems you find is necessary in the notes, but I add all the relevant information and I don't add wrong information. In the examples you showed there is no error: The example books you choose are tp and not pb. The publication series for Bastei is still a somewhat strange thing and not really visible in the books. The older books I added thus wont have them right simply because this "right" changed over the years. For new entries I try to follow whatever seems currently used in ISFDB. P.S. As already said multiple times - ISFDB has a large amount of errors in non-verified and verified publications (also errors which have been introduced to my verified books which have been correct when I entered the information). When the threshold to participate is too high that also wont change. I tried to help fix the software for this but the attempt didn't work out. I see that a small part of my ideas have be implemented in the last years, but nothing game-changing. Maybe to give you a note what I actually talk about: I own ~2300 SF and F books, 825 of these I verified in ISDFB, 787 more exist in ISFDB often with missing information or missing the exact copy I have. 685 are missing totally. I simply did not add them yet and instead do my own database. BTW Some errors also come from different moderators of the time: One moderator forced me to do one thing, the next exactly the opposite. And I always complied even if it did not make sense. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: '''Comment''': I haven't done much work on the submission queue lately, so I'll abstain. To answer the question raised in the last sentence, if a self-approver leaves a submission in the queue, it can be reviewed and approved/rejected by a moderator. However, submissions by self-approvers are color-coded and moderators tend to leave them alone because the presumption is that the self-approver is taking a break and will be back later. Of course, a self-approver can create a submission, leave it in the queue and then ask about it on the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe there should be a flag "please review" to turn off the color code? I actually appreciate in other environments when you have the chance to let somebody else review your stuff even when you yourself could approve it. For the easy cases you approve directly wheres for others you seek per-review. It's a concept which I e.g. are very happy with in software update submissions for openSUSE Linux distribution. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:33, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: You have my vote, user Stonecreek, who was demoted for entering incorrect data has no right to criticize you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 15:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Wolfram: While you're free to share you opinion on whether Stoecker should receive this ability, please refrain from attacking other editors here. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:46, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: It's just facts and you have no right to criticize it.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 17:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Fixed Story Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Great_Disciple; Maybe I'm not being clear or something, but I'm not getting the answer I'm looking for so maybe someone else can help me. I did a bunch of edits for Bruce Publishing books and this one required more work, using the copy on Google Books, because story titles, I assume taken from Locus, were wrong in 6 cases (and 1 was missing entirely), from missing articles to completely wrong. I fixed them but now that it's been approved the 6 parent stories still have the wrong titles. That can't be right, most of the author's obscure religious stories didn't appear in any genre works and the 2 that did had the right titles (although 1 of them, "The Hound of Cullen", isn't in this collection so now I'm suspicious because it has a 1951 date on ISFDB but appeared in F&SF in 1953, so I wonder if the missing story I entered, "The End of Coo-Cullen", is that story retitled) so there's no variant, so how can I get both author names to show the correct titles? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You would have received the answer you were looking for had you told the reviewer; "The titles were only published under an alternate name so there is no reason the canonical name titles should differ." To correct, simply edit the canonical name titles and make the same corrections. However, I question whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106837 William Bernard Ready] should even be the canonical name. I don't see a single title published using that name. I would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13494 W. B. Ready] the canonical name with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?101925 William Ready] an alternate. This would obviate the need for the above edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:39, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Which Henry Holt? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601243; This is the 2nd time recently that this moderator has rejected edit(s) of mine while telling me to ask PV first when I clearly did that in both cases. This one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731, was asked about here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Swfritter#A_Month_of_Mystery, but I just decided to cancel it because trying to fix the countless verified editions of books that are clearly book club editions but not identified as such by the PV is too much for me to handle so I've decided to not do those kinds of edits anymore, but as for the 2 edits at the top of this message there's no reason for them to be rejected because as I explained here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Henry_Holt, this publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311, only has a few entries including those 1990's books entered recently by the same PV, while this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86, has almost all their books including pretty much everything published between 1986 and 2023, as is clearly explained in the note at the top of the page where it says they reverted back to that name in 1986. The 2 PV books say Henry Holt and Company on the title page so if we're going by what they actually say it wouldn't match any publisher currently on ISFDB. Standardization, right? Isn't that what mods are always saying, don't enter multiple publisher names? I think those 2 should be un-rejected. If not, I'd hate to see how many of the hundreds of "Henry Holt" books currently on ISFDB would need to be changed to "Henry Holt and Company". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:48, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You're mischaracterizing this a bit. In both cases, you submitted the edit before receiving a response from the primary verifier. Changing the name of the publisher is a major change to a publication record and should not be done without the prior assent of all active verifiers. Worse, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731 this submission] would have replaced the record for the trade edition with one for a book club edition, effectively deleting the record for the trade edition from the database. I explained this in the rejection note, and again when you [[User talk:Rtrace#MoM|objected]] on my talk page and I am explaining it for a third time here. I also explained in all these places that you need to get a response from the verifiers before submitting the original edit. Now, whether a title page stating "Henry Holt and Company" should be reflected as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86 Henry Holt], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311 Henry Holt & Co.] or a new publisher is an open question. However, it is still necessary to have a dialog with the verifiers before changing those records. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== FOCUS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?37441; I believe we have 4 separate publishers here: A German one, a British one (reprint of HC de la Mare book), an imprint based in Massachusetts who did Shakespeare, and a kid's book which maybe should have a different publisher, Tyndale, because it says "Focus on the Family" on the cover so Focus is more likely to be a series. In case anyone cares to differ them in some way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon UK ==<br />
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In this case, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312797, is it OK to replace the price and enter a link to this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22560761M/The_monsterologist, since there's no UK price and editor just entered the price from Amazon? This happens a lot. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== For those interested in Lovecraft and Winnie the Pooh ==<br />
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I ran across [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hemelein/the-horror-at-pooh-corner this Kickstarter] which combines the two. The anthology won't be out for about a year, but it's something to look forward to (I backed it). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:24, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== R. Dickerson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dickers&type=Name; Russell has many interviews, Russ has 1 which has an alternate because of a language note or something. So 1 of those should be a variant of Russell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:47, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Karloff the Editor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35824; A copy of Avon was just uploaded on Archive.org so I added a link, also added C to the price for the other (Canadian) Avon, added the month to the regular title since Avon was first edition, added other countries' prices to Corgi from back cover seen on FantLab, but most significantly added introduction to Souvenir based on photo on FantLab. It's not in Avon so it seems they added it for British editions; however, the only evidence here is in that Portugal edition where it says Introdução. So when my edits are approved that probably should be made a variant of Introduction and if anyone owns the British paperbacks the introduction is probably in those, too, and should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== De Grote Horror Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175406; Just uploaded is this, https://archive.org/search?query=grote-horror, which seems to be a German edition of the Signet omnibus, in case any German/German-fluent person wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Anderson ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=craig&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=anderson&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I added OL ID to Science Fiction Films of the Seventies some time ago and today came across it again and added Archive.org link; I noticed cover artist might be the same as the author and there's another similar name, all linked above, in case anyone knows if they're all the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maureen F. McHugh's The Cost to Be Wise - novelette or novella? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?59780 This] is categorized as a novelette, but it was nominated for 3 different awards in the novella category. If I look at the page counts in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347490 The Mammoth Book of Best Short SF Novels], it shows as 45 pages, which is the same as the following story - Greg Egan's Oceanic - which is categorized as a novella. (The rest of those "short novels" are all categorized as novellas, but they have longer page counts.) Google search results for 'mchugh "the cost to be wise"' followed by "novella" or "novelette" also indicate it is considered to be the former.<br />
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There are over a dozen verified pubs containing this story (which distill down to the 1996 Starlight anthology it appeared in, the 1997 Dozois Year's Best, a 2005 author collection, a Lightspeed mag special issue, and the aforementioned Dozois "short novel" anthology), so I'm wary of changing the type without some sort of discussion or second opinion. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I happen to have one of the anthologies as an ebook. After converting it to TXT and removing the other stories, the table of contents, etc, I see that the text contains 19,500 words if you count the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. If there are no dissenting voices here, I propose to make the novelette->novella switch in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: With a confirmed length, noone can object :) Add a note on the approximate length and change it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:02, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to close this off, the switch to novella has now been done. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:31, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derleth's Sleeping ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606597; Almost missed this rare one uploaded on Archive.org because they're doing something weird where the upload date is different than the added date which is causing a lot of confusion; anyway, PV is a bit...testy judging by my last contact with them, so I'm dry-running this here before letting them know of my changes. Does anyone see anything wrong with my edit? Title as it is on title page, spurious subtitle moved to notes, FantLab ID because it shows cover that coverless copy doesn't, etc. Also, I checked the Four Square abridgement on Dalby's site and it says "AND", not "&", on title page, so variants needed? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526; I see I added copy link and FantLab ID recently but now I've added LCCN ID, while noticing intro is dated with signed date instead of book date, something I've seen many times before, probably done by a specific editor who thought that's how it was supposed to be, so if it's not right one of the PV should fix the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606943; More title fixing; PB edition was recently uploaded so I made an edit adding link for that and title is "AND", not "&", on title page, so more variants needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== EditPub yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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All yellow warnings displayed in New Cover Art, New Regular Titles, New Reviews and New Interviews tables within the "Content" section of EditPub post-submission pages have been upgraded. They now use the same enhanced functionality already available on other post-submission pages.<br />
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At this point the only tables still using the old functionality and table layout are the 4 "Modified Cover/Regular Titles/Reviews/Interviews" tables in EditPub. As always, if you come across anything unexpected or erroneous, please post your findings here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There was a flaw in the last patch. The 4 "New" tables no longer display a yellow warning if the publication date hasn't been changed and the new title date is after the publication date. I am working on a fix. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:39, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: When you get a moment, please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607440 this submission]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:07, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for reporting the problem. It happens when magazine pubs are cloned. Working on it... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:53, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hauck ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck; I came across this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22compagnie+des+fees%22, and since many of these foreign editions have page counts off by a page or two on ISFDB because of unnumbered final page(s) I checked this one; page count was correct but the note about names on back cover was not. Heading off to ask the editor who entered the book I see that he's totally done with this site judging by the big red message on his board. So does anyone else own a copy? I think I'll do an advanced search and see what other books they PV; since they're not going to answer any questions maybe I can improve things a bit myself, add some links, etc. I'm sure some people here know what went wrong, so if anyone would like to give any details I'd be curious to know what caused Hauck to leave. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[User:Hauck]] left the project in June 2018 after [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck/Archive16#Award_for_Paradiso this discussion]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:00, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Wow. The comparisons to Nazi Germany may have been a bit much. I asked because he responded to 3 messages from 2 editors last June to tell them not to bother because he's un-verifying his PV's. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::"'''the note about names on back cover was not'''", perhaps should yo try a bit harder... ([https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fe/Lcddf.jpg]). {{unsigned|Hauck}}<br />
::::I think you meant "you should", not "should yo". If you look at the back cover of the Archive.org copy you'll see no names, so it's likely tight framing on the right side that cut them off rather than it being some variant without the names. Also, I put brackets around your image link because the giant image was taking too much space. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::: Hauck was the best moderator ever and ended his job based on what I believe due to false allegations.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 17:00, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36904; There is the original hardcover at the top and at the bottom there's another by Putnam (should probably be G. P. Putnam's Sons like the original) which says it's from the Stephen King Library. The PV of that edition, AnimeBill, entered it in the very early days here and has been gone for many years, so no use asking them about this, https://archive.org/details/skeletoncrew0000unse. I thought it might be PV edition but now I'm thinking it may actually be a book club edition of the original since there's no number line. Is anyone here familiar with these editions who knows if there's some way to identify which edition the Archive.org copy is so it can be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Dead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609977; I recently added the original Sphere edition with no A. in author's name but looking further I see it wasn't there in the original, either. Also, the price was wrong, and the title date is 4 months earlier than the book date while Open Library says December. I thought I had trouble fixing all the later editions some time ago but this is ridiculous. So let's try to find out which, if any, editions use A. on the title page and what the real month of publication was so that can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H(elmut) Wenske ==<br />
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FantLab has a page for this artist and they say he did cover art for Night Chills, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23919, but besides a Flickr page nobody else credits him online and there's no credit in the book or signature on the cover that I can see. Another 1975 Avon book, Harvest of Fear, does have a Wenske cover which is a variant of an older cover for something else, so either FantLab confused the 2 books or the Night Chills cover is another variant of some older cover. Anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Infinities ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=new+inf&type=Publisher; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611320; One of the few from this publisher with no PV, I changed publisher to what it says in the book, this was discussed long ago but I think now would be a good time to decide on standard names, there are some books published just by New Infinities with BSM on cover (Berkley), who were just the distributor, while later ones have the Ace symbol on the cover and they're also mentioned on the copyright page. So, assuming all books say New Infinities Productions on title page and not just New Infinities, I think older ones should be New Infinities Productions (like the 3 Swycaffer books already are) and later ones should be New Infinities Productions / Ace. What do you think? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611351; Some of their books didn't even have the publisher on the title page. Also, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Death-G-Gygax/dp/044175676X, which has some ID number on the upper left; British edition or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:08 and 11:28''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: ''This section divided in two, by reference to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal&type=revision&diff=658024&oldid=658022 Differences between revisions 11:28 and 11:33] (personally unfamiliar with these coverart archives). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:08, 18 March 2023 (EDT)''<br />
=== SFE-hosted images at /nicholls/ ===<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611356; Is it possible to get "nicholls" images supported at SFE? Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:33''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's my understanding that the reason that SFE-hosted images are stored in different subdirectories like "nicholls" is that they were donated to SFE with different stipulations and caveats attached. Some of the stipulations may persist after the death of the person after whom the subdirectory was originally named. Last time I checked with the SF administrator, which was just a month or two ago, "nicholls"-hosted images were still off-limits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Link for uploading author picture ==<br />
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Publications have a handy link that allows uploading of a new cover image. Can we have one of those for people, too, and have it preload the fair use author image template? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I can't think of a reason not to add one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::Can we make it an official feature request? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:24, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contents Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5613311; Should those 2 collection titles in the contents be removed after approval? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No, they belong. Pipes will be needed to ensure they remain in the proper positions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:24, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Sorry, pipes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbook: Non-genre, juvenile, etc ==<br />
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Replying to my userspace inquiry last fortnight, Rtrace observed that the Non-Genre flag for CHAPBOOK title records has an important function governing layout. All chapbooks flagged "Non-Genre" are listed below the line at the bottom of an author's Summary Bibliography. Juvenile, Novelization, and Graphic Format probably have no such function.<br />
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There is a cleanup report "CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION Juvenile Flag Mismatches", maintained at length near zero; by inference I have flagged a few chapbooks Juvenile, and probably missed a few. This feels like a good time to ask about all four flags {Non-Genre, Juvenile, Novelization, Graphic Format}. Should all four be aligned for chapbook and its shortfiction content? And, anyway, does the guideline do what we think it should?<br />
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Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length. We have more than 100 chapbooks, but less than 200, for each of Non-Genre, Novelization, Graphic. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:30, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The numbers are not unexpected-- non-genre and graphic chapbooks will be here ONLY if they are from above threshold authors and even for them, we don't really go out of our way to find and add them. Same applies for noveliazations - most are either novels or not published on their own - most of the ones we have as chapbooks are the current "juvenile" ones of various movies.<br />
: I tend to align them completely when I am adding them - a new (and sometimes not so new) user of the system don't necessarily understand that they need to scroll down to the short stories section OR click on the short story in the search results so not setting these on the chapbook is counterproductive. So having both entries carry the flags makes it easier for a user to find what they are looking for. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:48, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As I recall, we had this discussion on the Rules and Standards page a few years ago. The consensus seemed to be that our "chapbooks" are basically single-story collections, so the same rules should be applied. Since we would flag a collection as "juvenile", "novelization", etc as appropriate, we should do the same to chapbook titles. We also discussed creating additional cleanup reports to reconcile the flags between chapbook containers and their short fiction titles.<br />
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:: Re: "Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length", that is because the ISFDB software won't let you specify a "length" value for anything other than SHORTFICTION titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grant Allen, Backslider ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=backslider&type=All+Titles; I just imported 15 stories into 100 Menacing Little Murder Stories, one of those reprint Barnes & Noble anthologies, and while doing that noticed something else. The uncredited "Backslider" (issue's on Google Books) and the story by Grant Allen are the same story! So what's the procedure, which I'm never clear about: Make the uncredited a variant of Allen and make both the same date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, variant the uncredited version to the Allen version and give the parent the date of first printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Davies Reborn ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3342; I did a bunch of edits for books in F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle, and while Reprisal and Nightworld used the same art for HC and PB Brit editions the first book's Brit HC used the same art as the American Jove PB which was published first according to ISFDB, but that doesn't make sense because Davies was a Brit illustrator (and nobody's credited in the Jove, anyway), so I suspect Brit HC was published first, in case anyone can figure this out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== An Account Above Burnside Park ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=burnside+park&type=All+Titles; Someone entered Farah as Farrah incorrectly, as a check of the TP on Amazon reveals it's Farah, but a search of the title on ISFDB also reveals that the author published the story originally under another name in a magazine she edits. So if anyone wants to decide what to do with all this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bookscans HTTP, HTTPS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5614823; I thought the recently uploaded Archive.org copy would just be the original of the fully-readable one uploaded some time ago but no, it's 2 distinct copies, so I added a link and while doing so noticed the cover image had the old "Fatcow" URL which Bookscans used to use, of which there are 8 still on ISFDB (7 when my edit is approved), and also the fact that the old URL is https while the new one is http but new cover shows just fine unlike, say, Galactic Central where all their http images are broken. What's the difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unlike Galactic Central, Bookscans has a valid HTTPS certificate. This is why you can connect to https://bookscans.com/Database.htm, but if you try to connect to https://www.philsp.com/ your browser will display an error like "Secure Connection Failed".<br />
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: That said, once a Web site has a valid HTTPS certificate, it still needs to be configured to support HTTPS. Ideally, it will transparently redirect HTTP URLs to their matching HTTPS counterparts the way we do. Bookscans' HTTPS configuration appears to be incomplete, but I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Sometimes a Web site's data is spread across multiple computers and/or multiple domains, which makes it harder to get everything to work transparently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:06, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LAF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537; The first one has a couple of active PV so I'm going to ask about this; I recently added cover artist in a pending edit to Without Warning by Fern Michaels, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537, with the same initials on the cover. So the King monkey art was also done by Lisa Falkenstern. EDIT: A copy of Fantasy Annual III was just uploaded and while adding a link in an edit I noticed she did the cover for that, too, but signed it L. Falkenstern. Also, #5 has no art credit so I wonder if she did that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star SF Stories #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089; 6 PV, 5 active, none noticed the cover is wrong and is actually from a later edition, any objection if I replace it with the right cover, 96, here, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/ballantine/ballantine02.htm? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:47, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Talk to the 5 active PVs. If you submit a replacement, it will be held until you talk to them or it will be rejected with an advice to talk to them. If you want, point them to this topic but don't expect people to monitor CP about their verified books. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:49, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You can talk to them individually if you want. I don't plan on fixing anything until at least 1 of them responds; if it was 2 I probably would do it on their boards but not for 5. Most don't respond to anything or have the same answer about going to hospital/coming out of hospital, I can't check because I'm about to move/just finished moving, or some variant of "how dare you imply that I did something wrong". So if 1 or more of them see it here, the board most people check, great, if not, who cares, the book's been here for years and years and nobody besides me noticed the very obvious fact that the cover isn't for this edition because it has a totally different price and ID, most are too busy working on ephemeral e-books and don't care about the old print books anymore (besides me and a few others) judging by how much info here is wrong that I've had to fix over the last 2+ years. Try responding to one of my many questions on these boards with something useful that I can use to fix or add info with instead of coming out of the woodwork once in a blue moon so you can complain about something trivial. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: It would have taken you less time to post to the PVs pages and point them here than to write this. But everyone chooses how to spend their own time on the project. <br />
::: You asked about objections, I posted an objection, explaining clearly that such a change cannot be approved and a recommendation on how that objection can be overcome so a submission can be approved. It may not be useful to you because it does not agree with your thinking but it is how the project works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm not here often, but I try to respond to whatever's on my page. I did not notice the cover was off when verifying, but can upload a fresh scan of my edition now when it's been pointed out. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:33, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Done. Waiting for approval. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:55, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:31, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Song of the Earth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5617672; It's Royo as cover artist in both, Luis is wrong, in case anyone wants to fix that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== McBride Cover Artists Of Thorne Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709359; [https://www.pbagalleries.com/images/lot/1139/113941_0.jpg]; SFE just upped cover of 1926 edition of Topper, I added artist C. V. Farrow, this is the other McBride Thorne Smith book, signature in the grass on right corner that looks like F. Rogers, can't nail it down anywhere, someone here may know who it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tomato Cain ==<br />
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I was just about to sign off for the night when I saw a new edition of Nigel Kneale's collection Tomato Cain on SFE, https://sf-encyclopedia.com/gallery.php?filter=link:kneale_nigel&slide=6, but OL only has this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL38018073M/Tomato_Cain_and_Other_Stories_Hb, by Gratis Kneale (?!?) Was this ever published? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Marcy/Dean ==<br />
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https://hellnotes.com/interview-with-dean-italiano-author-of-the-starving-queen/; I've been adding lots of author photos and other stuff from the old Cosmos Books site and this one is a bit tricky, because he used to be she, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34089. Whatever the rules are for that here; I vaguely recall some discussion about this months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request - Welo==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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i'm asking for self-moderation privileges.<br />
Actually i wouldn't need it, i'm usually happy with the mods work and timing. <br />
But edits often need a follow up (cover, variants, merges etc.) and lately approvals take some time and that's hard to track for an editor.<br />
As my edits are mostly fairly basic, self-mod privileges would be very helpful.<br />
Werner [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 11:05, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Support work I've seen looks good[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You have my vote--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 18:04, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==<br />
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I recently submitted this note to the entry on Peter Grainger:<br />
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"I don't know how properly to comment on this. Forrest J. Ackerman was "Peter Cartur's" (or Peter Grainger's) agent. That's why he gave permission. There is NO WAY that Ackerman could have written that story, and no reason to suppose he did. As for the copyright, at that time, the magazines that originally published the story often bought the copyright, and only paid the authors for reprints out of the goodness of their heart (or perhaps if the contract specified such a payment.) So Fantasy House (publishers of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction) held the copyright. Gordon van Gelder, now the owner/publisher of F&SF, states that the contract for the story "The Mist" was signed by Peter Granger (no "i".) I would wonder about the source for the spelling "Grainger", given that he apparently never published under his own name. Incidentally, in the Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter for July 1950, Ackerman reports on some of the "up and coming" writers he is representing, mentioning Roger Flint Young separately from Peter Cartur. However, that doesn't mean much, as he also mentioned both Kris Neville and "Henderson Starke" as new writers in his fold, and there is no question that "Starke" was a pseudonym for Neville."<br />
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My objection was to the existing note on the author Peter Grainger, who is not credited with any stories under his own name, but with stories as by Peter Cartur, Roger Flint Young, and Max Dancey. This note reads:<br />
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"Pseudonym sources: Roger Robinson (his source: McGhan), Contento/Locus.<br />
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction Tales includes:<br />
Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms."<br />
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My "edit" -- not really an edit but a comment on the note, though I probably should have suggested an edit -- objects to the (pardon me, but I must say, preposterous) suggestion that perhaps Forrest J. Ackerman wrote the "Peter Cartur" stories. The rational given -- that Ackerman gave "permission" to reprint the story, so therefore he must have been the real author, is ludicrous. The copyright was actually held by "Fantasy House" (which is to say, the publishers of F&SF) -- a common practice in that era. Ackerman was the agent. The Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter citation I made supports this claim. Also this long list of Ackerman's clients, which includes Cartur, Young, and Dancey: https://archive.org/details/internationalsci00coli/page/190/mode/2up?q=%22roger+flint+young%22&view=theater<br />
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The statement that "copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name" may be true NOW (I don't know) but it was manifestly not true in 1952, when the copyright was held by "Fantasy House". <br />
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What I think should be done is to cut the note off after the credit to Roger Robinson's pseudonym list. The whole thing about Ackerman is meaningless -- he was the agent, so authorize to give permission for the reprint.<br />
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Also, the credit to "Grainger" is in question, though I don't know how to resolve it, as Gordon van Gelder, in correspondence, tells me the original contract for F&SF publication was signed by "Peter Granger". There is a British author, much later, named "Peter Grainger". Could he be the source of the confusion? - {{unsigned|Hortonwho13}}<br />
: Yes, the later author is possibly the source of the confusion - we use differentiation and they need to be done manually when needed - and some of them may be missed occasionally. Let me look through these pages later today and see what I can untangle. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett ==<br />
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I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297694 Dawn Burdett] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297701 D. M. Burdett] are the same person as mentioned on [https://www.blackharepress.com/d-m-burdett/ this site]. What does anyone think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:18, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Possibly, but the publisher page you linked doesn't mention anything about her doing art. Since all of them under "Dawn Burdett" are cover art, and because the author bio doesn't mention doing cover art (or any art), there's not enough evidence to suggest they are indeed the same person, at least to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:50, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Fine, but it does mention D. M. Burdett's first name is Dawn. But, until further evidence turns up, I guess I'll leave the matter alone. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:51, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== J. E. Thomas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15278; "Doom in the Room" actually by famed author Jeffrey (Edwin) Thomas, very early story so maybe he used that name at the start of his career, but that other story in the Valancourt anthology is likely by some old-time author. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post Mortem Print Vs. E ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Post_Mortem; An old message of mine finally becomes relevant as this, https://archive.org/search?query=9780615452623&sort=-addeddate, was just uploaded. Editor has a middle initial, 1 story title is different, dates are obviously wrong, etc. Amazon links to reprint e-book are dead, so if anyone can find a preview copy of it we can compare it to the original print edition and fix a bunch of stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bauman CaCE Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916930; FantLab shows Bauman did Dark Harvest cover, she signed it on lower right, copyright page of Tor credits her, too, she also signed it on lower right, but covers are totally different, art should probably be unmerged and made 2 distinct credits, she signed it differently between editions, Dark Harvest is name on left, date over copyright on right, Tor is name over date on left, copyright on right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dillon LANBSM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?527617; I just added a link to the PB and noticed those covers are different. Why are both under the same cover art record? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Terratoo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terratoo&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what should be done with these, title pages would need to be seen to determine correct author names, if anyone can find out then maybe a merge or variant will be in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Short Novels Covers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35073; I added an OL-only non-preview link to the '54 PB and fixed the month in all dates to 10 in a pending edit, but I think the HC credit for Powers is wrong; art on PB is in his usual trippy style, art on HC is just random lines. I think PV of HC or someone else just trusted the info they got, as mentioned in their note. I think Powers credit should be removed from HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==<br />
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.<br />
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Several Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Resurrected Holmes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction Title Question ==<br />
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}. For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font. Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text. I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)". However, the signature at the end gives me pause. I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently. Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate. What do other folks think? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”. Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F. Cantor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==<br />
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.<br />
Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.<br />
Thank you very very much.<br />
Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wasteworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Expired Link ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:It's Mavmaramis's link - I've notified him. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: Before deleting a link, see if you can find if archived in the web archive. If not, then all we can do is to delete it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:07, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::https://www.flickr.com/photos/markfullerdillon/52607643318; Is that what you're looking for? Also, if you replace old link can you also correct the 2 misspelled words in the note? I've done so for many of this editor's notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Thanks to all. I've made the corrections & submitted. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 21:55, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Throat Sprockets ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8169; A copy of the rare American edition was just uploaded so I added a link and a bunch of other stuff, including correcting the month which was off by a couple of months, but the 2 even rarer British editions seem to have disappeared almost entirely, with no eBay copies I can see or any online scans of anything besides the cover. The one review I could find, https://criminolly.com/2021/10/27/throat-sprockets-review/, has a different page count than either edition and a month that neither have. So if anyone owns a copy or can actually do better than me and find online info it would help. Poor Mr. Lucas lost his wife recently so it would be nice to flesh out and correct his info here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:02, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) (sic) by James S. A. Correy (sic) ==<br />
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I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 this] by chance the other day, with both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1272911 the title] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155601 author name] incorrect. It's strikes me that 2 errors is perhaps more likely to be down to data entry here than mistakes by the publisher, but it's from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345034 a 2011 pub] transient verified by an editor who has not been active for several years. Any thoughts on whether the appropriate varianting and note-adding is the best course of action, or instead to correct the title and editor fields?<br />
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FWIW, some cursory Googling threw up [https://isulibrary.isunet.edu/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=8781 a library entry] that indicates the correct title and author name was used. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25033756M/Degrees_of_freedom; One of those OL-only non-preview things; search inside says Leviathan Wakes by James S. A. Corey. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== E. Borgese ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5623541; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=borgese&type=Name; Will my rejected edit be un-rejected if my fixing of her name in the original Brit edition is made a variant or variant is deleted or whatever it is that needs to be done? I'm confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:That won't fix the issue. The problem is that the add publication submission was made to add a publication to the title by Elizabeth (with a moderator note that you were adding it with the incorrect name). Your subsequent submission updated both the existing title and publication records to Elisabeth. I was not aware of your second submission until after I rejected the first, but it wouldn't have mattered. Changing the source record does not update any pending submissions (e.g. your rejected edit). Had you done these two submissions in the opposite order, and waiting until the name change was approved before submitting the add publication, you would have been fine. The other way you could have done it, was to submit your first edit as a new publication. Then, when both were approved, you could merge the title records. At this point you can submit a new Add Publication from the updated title record (Elisabeth). By the way, there is a second step that is still required for your change of the existing title record from Elizabeth to Elisabeth. Since you changed it to a variant name, you need to make the altered record into a variant of the canonical name. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:56, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::But her real first name is spelled with an S, so that should be the parent name. There's nothing on ISFDB that was published as by "Elizabeth Mann Borgese". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:23, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::Well, we currently have 11 title records that have been published as by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13609 Elizabeth Mann Borgese]. We have no concept of "real name", we only reflect how things have been published. The canonical name is the name by which the author is best known in the field. You'll note that her legal name, as Elisabeth, is reflected in the legal name field. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::They weren't really published as by Elizabeth in her collection, whoever entered the original Brit edition here (Chris J? He's first in edit history) incorrectly wrote her name that way and thus she's credited that way. Her American edition also says Elisabeth so it's not like they changed the spelling due to some British/American differences, it's just wrong. So her name needs to be changed to Elisabeth for all those stories and then when everything says Elisabeth my edit adding the American edition can be un-rejected, re-added, whatever. I just saw a full wraparound cover online so that'll be something extra to upload that wasn't in my rejected edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:10, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::There are two issues that you are talking about. First, you submitted an edit to add a new publication, but you submitted incorrectly. I don't think your edit could be unrejcted even if all instances of "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" were changed to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" (i.e. the two authors are merged). Even that is impossible because there are publications where the author is credited as "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v017n01_1959-07_PDF/page/n67/mode/2up here]). Regardless, there is nothing that can be done to change the author's name in your rejected edit that you submitted as Elizabeth. Even if "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" was deleted from the database, your edit would re-add the name as a new author were it approved. I've mentioned above the best way to proceed. I noticed that you did not include the content in your rejected edit. The content from the other record cannot currently be imported because the title records have the incorrect name. There are two ways to bring these records into shape.<br />
:::::# You could edit the existing collection and change the author credit for those stories that appear only in that collection. You would also need to remove any stories that are published elsewhere from the collection, then re-add them with the correct credit. There is a further step in that variants need to be made, but I'll discuss that below when covering the second overall issue.<br />
:::::# Alternatively, you could manually add all the stories, with the correct credit, when you re-add the George Braziller publication. You could then remove all the stories from the MacGibbon & Kee publication and import the ones with the correct author credit from the other pub. Again variants will need to be made to finish the process.<br />
:::::The second issue is what name needs to be canonical for this author. Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume that all other publications are correctly credited. That leaves us with 6 titles in 13 publications credited to Elizabeth. There are 10 titles appearing in 3 publications as Elisabeth. I'm not counting translations which are all variants anyway. You could argue that the canonical name be changed to Elisabeth, but I'd recommend proposing that in a separate thread. Also, would you be volunteering to do this work (it's many edits)? You would need to move all the author data from the current canonical record to the new one; Break all of the parent child author name relationships; Make all new alternate names variants of the new canonical name; Merge any titles with the new canonical name where the former parent name appeared in no publications, deleting the parent title relationship; Change the author credit of any titles with the former canonical name that appear in no publications to the new canonical name. Break any remaining parent child story relationships; Make any remaining titles by alternate name variants of the new canonical name. If you don't want change the canonical name and can't find someone else to do it, or the community decides to keep it as Elizabeth, you'll need to finish the above edits by making the new Elisabeth titles into variants of Elizabeth. Again, I hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::::Dude, as I've mentioned somewhere on the message boards before, I was hit in the head a few times when I was a kid, many years ago, so I'm a little slow, and my mind has been rapidly deteriorating recently due to personal and external issues, which shows in the occasional misstep I've made here lately which is highly unusual for me, so I don't have a clue what it is you're asking me to do; you and others here seem to forget that I've said more than once that I'm a total amateur with no background in anything literary who just started doing this a few years ago to pass the time (which makes the fact that I have one of the largest number of non-moderator edits in the history of this site even more remarkable). I'm just about done doing this, anyway, for many reasons, and am mostly doing simple stuff these days, so I have a suggestion; you mentioned recently that you're still in contact with this Chris J, so maybe you can ask him if he's the one who entered the name wrong and, if so, why. If it was him, maybe you can convince him, now that I have brought the American edition to everyone's attention, to do whatever it is you said above. I notice that the Archive.org copy was uploaded in September, 2015 and his first entry in the edit history was November, 2015, so the correct spelling of her name was available at the time. If nobody wants to do any of this, it won't bother me. I've done hundreds of edits since this one and can barely remember it, anyway. I'm sure, though, that the ones here who like to variant every name and title difference would want to see it entered; people who've searched for her on this site over the years may have come away disappointed because her name has been wrong for so many years. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::I'm not going to contact another editor on your behalf. Chris J's talk page is [[User talk:Chris J|here]]. However, there is no point in contacting Chris. None of the edits in the history added the content to the record. Even if we could determine who added the records incorrectly, what would be the point of contacting that person? They could have been working from a secondary source that was incorrect, but in the end, it doesn't matter. You've discovered an error in a record and you've fixed only part of that error. That's good, but the job isn't finished. The bare minimum to fix this record is:<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{T|1931892|title record}} where you changed the name and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to make it a variant of the canonical name. Use Option 2 and enter the canonical name, "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" and click Create New Parent Title.<br />
:::::::# Go to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Edit This Pub tool to edit the record. For each story where the edit fields are not disabled, change the author's name to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese". For all other stories, add "delete" to the page number, use the add title button to add a new row and copy the title of each story to the new title field, enter "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" as the author for the new author field. You can enter this edit at the same time as the one above.<br />
:::::::# After the above edit is approved, go back to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Remove Titles From This Pub tool. Mark each title with delete in the page number.<br />
:::::::# For each title that does not have a parent title (you can find them all at {{A|Elisabeth Mann Borgese}} after the above edits are approved). You need to go to each title and use the Make This Title a Variant tool to link the title to the appropriate parent. At this point, the parent titles should exist. Find each matching title at {{A|Elizabeth Mann Borgese}}. Take note of the Title Record # at the top right of the screen. In the make variant screen, use Option 1 and enter the title number to link the titles.<br />
:::::::Making variants when an alternate name is used is not something that is optional or done only when people like to. It's a data integrity issue that needs to be resolved. As it stands, this record will show up on several cleanup reports until it is fixed. Also, there is no problem in searching by an alternate name. If set up correctly, each alternate name has a link to the canonical name, as does all 4 of Ms. Mann Borgese's alternate names. By the way, when you being one of these multi-step edits, it is generally a good idea to let the moderator know that you intend the next steps by adding it to the moderator note. I've tried to give you complete instructions, but if you have any questions when attempting this, please reach out either here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:31, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Number Line ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/nailedbyheart0000clar_p5s1; What printing is this? It's 3rd, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Yes, the 3rd - the lowest number on the list gives you the current printing (with a special note for some number lines that contain a year as well as a printing number). That specific configuration of numbers is a pretty common one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::OK. I asked because of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372, where either I goofed or there was some hiccup when I entered it, so I made a new edit with the right cover, but the 2002 edition on Archive.org matches the ISFDB note which says "third printing" yet the mod who rejected this said 4th printing, which I had a feeling was wrong. I'll now add a link in that record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:53, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Heaven Maker ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518099; I recently added the 2014 TP and a link to the Archive.org copy which was recently uploaded; why page count is different between all 3 editions is unknown, someone entered them for the HC and they seem accurate, final essay starting on p. 249 and page count being 254, while TP is 20 pages longer but doesn't seem to have any extra material, but more importantly is while importing HC contents into TP and adding page numbers I now notice that the foreword, which is actually titled Forward in the book, is by Janis McKay, who is actually Janis Mackay per signature, an author with several credits on ISFDB, while the intro is actually by Herbertson. So if anyone can get a hold of the original HC edition and verify it's the same then those can be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Magnus Fin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30867; Print editions are all same price, one says TP, one PB, and one "unknown", in case anyone knows which they should all really be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: They are all the standard B format in UK (a few mm under 20 cm) - which is a tp in our DB. I've fixed the 2 that were added in error. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tenth Time (A)round ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74425; I randomly came across that Venture issue on Archive.org, a Brit magazine that apparently reprinted F&SF with added illustrations, if I'm understanding it correctly, and I immediately noticed a problem; McIntosh's story, which ISFDB claims is only "Tenth Time Round" in Venture, is the same in F&SF, too; it's not "Tenth Time Around". There are some active PV so I'm not touching it but this seems like a fairly big change so I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:36, 5 April 2023 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=659306ISFDB:Community Portal2023-04-05T02:18:59Z<p>Zybahn: /* Expired Link */</p>
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== Looking for one book. ==<br />
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Hello. I am Looking for one book. I only remember the beginning of the piece. Some guy found a derelict computer, sat down at it and started doing something, and then he saw a man with a gun walk up to the desk, they looked at each other in silence for a while, then the guy mechanically pressed the Enter button and the man shot him back. The work was read in the 1990s or very early 2000s. The piece appeared no later than the 1990s (probably earlier). I also remember that the guy was doing something enthusiastically on the computer: at first he typed without looking at the screen, but the message on the computer monitor made him do his work more slowly and carefully. The phrases went something like this. The message on the computer screen made him work more carefully. Behind the desk stood a man with a gun in his hand. The guy had never seen a real gun, except in the movies, but he knew immediately what it was. The guy's hand dropped mechanically to the Enter button, and the same second the black muzzle of the gun burst into flames, ending his life. Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 01:23, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Nothing comes to mind, I am afraid. There are a couple of Reddit forums that may be worth a shot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue], which handles all types of media, and [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ PrintSF], which specializes in printed speculative fiction. The Usenet group [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.sf.written] may be another place to check. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sadly. Thank you. Wrote in the first and third place, in the second they require 2 days from the date of registration. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 15:05, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Another possible place to check is [https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on the AbeBooks site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've updated the [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|ISFDB FAQ]] with a section containing the above links. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:14, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you, I wrote. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 05:02, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I wrote: 1. [https://community.abebooks.com/s/question/0D53n000092akFOCAY/a-guy-gets-into-an-unattended-computer-and-gets-killed-with-a-gun-for-it-a-detective-or-maybe-a-thriller?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI Book Sleuth], [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/1046dwp/tomtmovie2000sa_guy_gets_into_an_unattended/?sort=new tipofmytongue], [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/105spj3/looking_for_one_book/ printSF] and [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/c/4p_Z6o_Uc38?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written]. Where else to write? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 06:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Merge -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Title Merge submissions have been enhanced. They now correctly display embedded HTML and properly link to third party Web sites. Displayed field names are now more meaningful. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Award Editor -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Edit Award submissions have been enhanced. They now link to the main Award Type page for the award's type, correctly display embedded HTML and link to IMDB where applicable. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request Currey check (print, 1979) ==<br />
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''The Body Snatchers'' (1955) publication record {{p|211333}}, primarily by User:Bluesman who is no longer with us, implies that Currey is the source for cover artist "Stuart Treslian". That reference should be to print [[Reference:Currey]] rather than the L. W. Currey website, which does not name Stuart T nor any cover artist in current descriptions of two copies ([https://www.lwcurrey.com/pages/books/129296/jack-finney-walter-braden-finney/the-body-snatchers one at US$4500]).<br />
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Spelling "Stuart Tresilian" may be expected. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tresilian Stuart T at Wikipedia]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The entry for this book in Currey is not the source for the cover artist, and doesn't ordinarily provide the cover artist in the entries. I'm certain that [[Reference:Currey|the reference]] is what [[User:Bluesman|Bill]] was referring to in the note. However, I believe he was only indicating that Currey stated that there was no statement of printing. You may also find [[Reference:Verification Sources|this chart]] helpful. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:15, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Layout supports your interpretation.<br />
:: That chart of ISFDB Verification Sources will be useful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:03, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fiction series(?): Body Snatchers, The; Invasion of, The ==<br />
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We have 1955 T{{t|437}} and rewritten 1978 T{{t|186595}} versions of this Jack Finney novel, as distinct parent titles with multiple variants (some under shared titles), presumably because the rewrite has been judged "great enough" (DO NOT MERGE, Mhhutchins, 2008-12-13).<br />
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Those need some linkage. (I will need to re-revise the former parent Title note, item 2.) I suggest a Series containing numbered versions 1 and 2. Is there any reason not to link them by a fiction series, rather than multiple cross-reference links? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Publication -- post-submission page in the process of being updated ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for "New Publication" submissions are currently in the process of being updated. The first patch was installed a few minutes ago. It tweaked the way the "Title" section is displayed.<br />
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Upgrading the software behind this Web page is a delicate process because some of it is shared with other post-submission pages like "Clone Publication". It will take a few patches to get everything updated. In the meantime, if you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:15, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It does look a little jarring without a label at the top of the first table but I will wait to see where that ends before complaining about it properly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Oh, one thing - html in the Moderator notes is not resolving. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5540454 example] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Investigating... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, the missing header ("Title Data") has been resurrected and "Note to Moderator" has been changed to display HTML correctly. All previously upgraded post-submission pages had the same HTML display issue, but it didn't become obvious until NewPub was upgraded since Fixer uses HTML in moderator notes. Thanks for reporting the problems! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:32, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Looks good now. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The "Title" section has been further enhanced for AddPub submissions. It now displays all field values for the title record that the new pub is about to be attached to. It doesn't include reviews, tags, a link to the parent title (if there is one), variants or other fancy things that the regular Title page displays, but it's a lot more data than what was displayed before the change. The new format also has a new section header, "Automerge title data", which hopefully makes it easier to tell that the submission is an AddPub and not a NewPub. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:52, 14 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The "Publication Metadata" section has been updated to display embedded HTML tags correctly and to allow multiple warnings per field. A few yellow warnings have been tweaked and I plan another pass to upgrade the rest of them once I update ClonePub, Import/Export and EditPub to use the same software. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:32, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I suppose that "Post-submission pages" include "Approved ..." among others. Approved New Publication; Approved ClonePub; Approved Publication Update --all retain(?) link label "New record:" in the footer. Approval timestamp 2023-01-17 21:28:23 for the mildly offending PubUpdate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:09, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928677 this recently created pub]'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928677 Edit History], I see that the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527716 NewPub submission] which created it links to the new record at the bottom of the page, which is as it should be. The subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527989 PubUpdate submission] also says "New record" and links to it even though it's no longer a new record.<br />
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::: It looks like it's an old bug introduced back when Edit History was implemented a couple of years ago. {{Bug|824}} has been created -- thanks for identifying it! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:14, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: It should be fixed now. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Looking for a sci-fi title ==<br />
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Hello everyone, I am looking for the title and author of a SF short story (or novel) in which a NASA-type company sends chronically unlucky people to unknown planets. Since these people are dogged by ill luck, the company figures they will encounter all the problems there are : monsters, eruptions, and so on. And that will be a good way to prepare for the planets’ exploration. Does anybody happen to know, by any chance, the title or/and author of this story ? Yves Lavandier {{unsigned2|07:15, January 18, 2023 |Yves Lavandier}}<br />
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: I have no recollection of a plot like this. Can you perhaps give a line of time it might have been published in? (It sounds more like a classic plot: 1940s to 1950s, I'd say). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:You can try one of the resources listed [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds like the plot of Robert Sheckley's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46023 The Minimum Man]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Annals of Klepsis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2779; https://archive.org/details/annalsofklepsis0000laff; Active verifiers, look at this, it's got stuff crossed/whited out on front and back covers, a pasted string of numbers on copyright page, etc. Alternate edition or something, maybe, if anyone wants to enter it. It was added in Feb. 2021, just after the last PV. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5547100; This was uploaded in April 2021; I made an attempt at entering it ("borrowing" the phrasing of the price info from other records on ISFDB) but I'm sure editors who enter French books regularly can add some stuff after my edit is approved. I notice someone named AlainLeBris did a lot of them; is he still editing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: AlainLeBris's last activity date is 2022-01-22, almost a year ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth" ==<br />
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Silverberg's 1958 novella, {{T|67050|name=We, the Marauders}}, came out a few months earlier than his 1958 novel {{T|2798|name=Invaders from Earth}}, although they are basically the same story. As such, it has often been viewed (including in our records) that the novella came first, and was then expanded into the novel. In a post yesterday on the FictionMagsIndex mailing list, Silverberg corrects that impression, writing:<br><br />
"After 65 years I don't have a clear recollection of how the changes in INVADERS FROM EARTH came about. I do recall that I wrote the book for Don Wollheim at Ace and then offered it to Bob Lowndes, whose pulp magazine SCIENCE FICTION QUARTERLY could handle long stories. The title "We, the Marauders" on the magazine version was Lowndes', though I liked it. I don't recall whether he or I did the cutting, or how the changes in plot came about. The Ace version was the original one, though."<br><br />
I have updated the title notes to both the novella and the novel to reflect this information. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 13:08, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: (I reviewed those Title notes but don't know the story.) I submitted update, and noted "hold for User: Chavey", of the NOVEL note as "the same story" ==> "nearly the same story" ... "and the cuts create a different resolution to the main character's personal story." The latter information, from the novella Title note, seems too important to omit from either one. Also I showed strong approval of the paragraph break by replicating it here for the novel, which unfortunately creates a mass of text in the "Differences".<br />
: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ohioana Book Award ==<br />
<br />
Here's another award I found. It's not a specifically genre award, but there are genre winners regularly appearing in its list of winners. [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/past-award-winners/ Main list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/other-awards/ additional list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/ general info]. They appear to be all juried awards, given out since the early 1940s.<br />
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List of categories:<br />
*Fiction<br />
*Nonfiction<br />
*Middle Grade & Young Adult Literature<br />
*Juvenile Literature<br />
*Poetry<br />
*About Ohio (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Walter Rumsey Marvin Grant (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Readers’ Choice Award (the only non-juried award)<br />
*Alice Louise Wood Award<br />
*Anniversary Award<br />
*Award of Merit<br />
*Career Award<br />
*Citation Award<br />
*Editorial Excellence<br />
*Head Award<br />
*Krout Poetry<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Pegasus Award<br />
*Sesquicentennial Award<br />
*Ohioana Fellowship<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author<br />
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I can enter them once they're created. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:13, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am not sure how many of their categories have SF awards, but I have found at least a few genre authors: Andre Norton, Lois McMaster Bujold, Virginia Hamilton. If there are no objections, I can create a new award type, which will let moderators create categories as needed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yup, that's pretty much along the lines of what I found. Edward Eager is in there, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:00, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. It's our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 100th Award Type]! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::An auspicious beginning, to be sure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:12, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Took a while, but I think all of them are entered now. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== S.E.P. SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29174; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483; Likely these 2 records are for the same book, but each contains info the other doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:39, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. I've merged everything to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon cover images in publication records ==<br />
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[1] Given some stable image file.jpg under "images/I" at Amazon, do we have any reason to prefer one of the addresses https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/ and https://m.media-amazon.com/ ? Is it valuable to change our URL from one to the other, upon noticing an address change at the Amazon product page?<br />
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[2] Do we have any reason to prefer linking a cover image at Amazon or linking one at Open Library? If not in general, then a match with stated printing number, available via "Look inside" at Amazon or "Preview" at Open Library but not both, is one attractive criterion. Image quality is another. Most recently I chose to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545586 link m-media-amazon.com] rather than [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL28305950M/The_particular_sadness_of_lemon_cake Open Library OL28305950M] because the latter image looks "too dark" to me. (Only now I see that "Preview" reveals a 9th printing, and Amazon UK/US provide no "Look inside".) <br />
<br>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:56, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Amazon: Either works and points to the same place for EVERY image. If we discover that one of the spaces is discontinued, we can swap them programmatically but for the time being, either can be used (ebooks usually use the media one these days; paper books can use the images-na). As long as the ID at the end is the same, the two domains are identical for all intents and purposes and will always show the same image.<br />
: As for the OL/Amazon - both are stable (As long as it is an /I/ image in Amazon so use whichever looks better and is of better quality overall. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clone/Export/Import -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The "Publication Data" section of the post-submission review page for Clone/Export/Import submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Author Photo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?71; I did some Clive Barker book edits recently and, as far as I can recall, his photo was broken because it was from one of those sites that don't display HTTP images correctly after our server move (or possibly it was just a bad photo and I decided to replace it), so I substituted a color photo from FantLab of Barker in his library that's very recent judging by his appearance, which is not very pleasant these days due to all his medical problems. Today I randomly came across his page again and saw that someone replaced that with a different photo that's not only in black-and-white but very old judging by his youthful appearance, plus it has one of those long WEBP URL's Amazon was using for a while recently. Is there any way to see a history of who edits author records? I'd like to know who changed it. I'm going to re-replace it with the FantLab photo and hopefully it will stay that way this time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Author records do have Edit History information on file, but only moderators can access it. The reason is that our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy data deletion policy] lets living authors request removal of ''biographical'' (as opposed to ''bibliographic'') data from their author records. Making authors' Edit History publicly available would defeat the purpose of the policy.<br />
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: In this case the change was made by [[User:Stonecreek]] in submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527111 5527111] on 2023-01-01. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Stonecreek, you say? What a shock. Anyway, my edit is pending to change it back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::In order to prevent a continuing edit war, I've put the further edit on hold. Could [[User:Username|Username]] and [[User:Stonecreek|Christian]] as well as any other editors with an opinion on which image should be used please come to an agreement here before we further churn the author image? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:21, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: My opinion is a recent image, like the one I added from FantLab seems to be (they have 2 others which are old and B&W), is better because he doesn't look anything like he did in his heyday when he was rather handsome. However, if someone feels like they really need to see an overly bright B&W photo from decades ago on his ISFDB page, so be it. Maybe after he's dead (which may be soon judging by his appearance these days) perhaps a recent photo will be more appropriate then. I doubt I'll be around to add it, but maybe someone else will. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:34, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: There were two reasons for me to change the image: the first is the more handsome look (I do think that we should aim to have no images that would possibly intimidate an author or his/her readers), the second that Amazon seems to be more stable & is somewhat more official. I could live with the other image but do fear that it would lead towards users escaping Barker's summary page as fast as one could. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:48, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Pending edit's been sitting in my list for a long time so I just cancelled it. I did, however, make another edit today (pending) replacing the ancient Ramsey Campbell B&W photo on ISFDB with a recent color one on Amazon of him in all his chubby glory, so one Brit horror writer falls, another rises. It's hard to say who looks more unhealthy these days, Barker or Campbell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:39, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Australasian Horror ==<br />
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https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ahwa-competition-past-winners/; I was doing some edits for the first issue of Hub Magazine and 1 of the stories by Liam Rands was an honorable mention for this award (he won for another story the next year); there was discussion here recently about awards so this may be something someone would want to enter. Awards are still going as of 2022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:39, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Interesting. It looks like the Australasian Horror Writers Association has two separate/parallel projects:<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/australian-shadows-awards/award-entry-rules/ The Australian Shadows Award] with the usual menagerie of categories like "short story", "novel", "novellete/novella", "collection", etc.<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition], which has two categories for ''unpublished'' horror stories:<br />
:** ''Flash Fiction'': Stories up to 1000 words in length<br />
:** ''Short Story'': Stories from 1001 to 7500 words.<br />
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: We already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?68 the Australian Shadows Award listed], but we don't cover "The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition" at this time. One thing to note is that the latter is a true "competition" in the tradition of pulp magazines. To quote their [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ rules page]:<br />
:* The winner in each category will receive an engraved plaque and the winning stories will appear in Midnight Echo, and receive the pay rate commensurate with that edition.<br />
: Runner-ups presumably benefit by being able to claim that their stories were "runner-ups" when they try to sell them to other markets.<br />
: This is a bit unusual, but we do have precedent for including awards given to unpublished texts -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?57 Prix Jean Ray], which is given to "Best unpublished fantasy text by a Belgian writer".<br />
: Thoughts? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:59, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'd support adding it. Some of the more prestigious Japanese SF awards are contests where the winner(s) get publishing contracts (as do some of the runners up, often). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:11, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: If there is no objection, I will create a new Award Type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:59, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: A new award type and two award categories [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?101 have been created]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: Jusges?--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Fixed, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:51, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nick Fox/Bantock Cover ==<br />
<br />
https://books.google.com/books?id=GDPwBhpEtAIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=shadrach&f=false; Nick Bantock's art book The Artful Dodger includes a Silverberg cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1139072, which is credited to a studio (and back cover seen online does credit it to that studio) but he says he did it under his Nick Fox name. So what to do? Also, Google Books copy seems to be a 2nd printing of the Chronicle Books edition on ISFDB and there's a Canadian edition from Raincoast on Archive.org which isn't on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Inter-author collections of speculative drama ==<br />
Good afternoon, everyone. Are there inter-author collections (Anthology, Almanac) of speculative drama? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 02:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30649 "Six Science Fiction Plays"] anthology, edited by Roger Elwood, Washington Square Press, 1976, ISBN 0-671-48766-3. <br />
:* [http://borealispress.com/BookDetail/rid/913/New%20Canadian%20Drama%20Vol.%208 "New Canadian Drama Vol. 8: Speculative Drama: Roswell, Eden's Moon, Alien Bait"] edited by Scott Kesi Duchesne, Borealis Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-88887-265-4. <br />
: --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 11:01, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::* Thank you so much, are there more examples? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 13:40, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edit Pub -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
<br />
The Metadata (i.e. top) section of the post-submission review page for Edit Publication submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Bloch Book Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941501; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551231; I started to enter the HC edition, mentioned in the note by the PV, using FantLab's copy but decided to check further and it's already on ISFDB; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?30351. Both HC and TP were entered many years earlier so I guess nobody checked first before approving PV submission. I've made a (pending) edit adding ID, full cover and cover design note to the HC, but there's a problem. PV did a lot of work entering the contents, which nobody did for the 2 records entered earlier, but he got the format wrong and entered it as a collection instead of non-fiction (it has both fiction and non-fiction, so who knows). So some more astute people here should decide what to do, which to keep, possible merges, etc. I'll leave a brief note on PV page about this; they're still active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I still have the TP handy if you want to point me in the right direction. Still mostly a novice at this. I appreciate this resource and like to contribute how I can. [[User:Fenrix1958|Fenrix1958]] ([[User talk:Fenrix1958|talk]]) 21:10, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for responding so quickly. I randomly came across the Bloch book you entered and thought I'd enter the HC edition you mentioned in your note since FantLab has many photos of it, but I found it hard to believe that nobody ever entered it, and after checking further I found both HC and TP editions which, judging by edit history, were entered in the very early days of public editing here. Yours was in 2015, so I'm not sure why a moderator approved it when it already existed and had the same ISBN, but the problem is that you actually did the hard work of entering the numerous contents, unlike the others, but didn't enter the month, made it a PB instead of a TP, made it a collection with Bloch as author instead of non-fiction with Matheson and Mainhardt as editors (I'm not even sure what's correct because it includes Bloch stories but also essays from many other people about Bloch, so anthology, maybe?). So I was wanting people who, unlike me, have been doing this for a very long time to chime in and suggest what should be done because your hard work shouldn't go to waste, but several different people made edits for the edition you didn't enter so it wouldn't be right to just delete that. I've been editing for just over 2 years but am rapidly losing interest due to a variety of reasons, so I won't be of much help to you, I'm afraid; I just do simple stuff these days. Someone else will respond shortly, I'm sure, and this will be resolved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:03, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::This is the most relevant section of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type|the help]]:<br />
::::''NONFICTION. This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction. This includes book-length works of non-fiction or books containing essays by one or more authors. A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant. A single work of fiction in an Isaac Asimov essay collection does not make it a COLLECTION. A book of fiction (NOVEL, COLLECTION, or ANTHOLOGY) containing a generous, but not predominate, amount of non-fiction, such as introductions, essays, and other non-fiction works, should not be typed as NONFICTION. Mixtures of fiction and non-fiction are more usually found in magazines than they are in books, so the question does not often arise.''<br />
:::I'd wait a bit to see if there are any opposing viewpoints, but it looks to me like the book is '''''predominantly''''' the Bloch stories and poem, and most of the essays are introductions to those works. However, it also has more -- and a wider range of -- essays than we would normally see as supplemental material in a typical collection. So it strikes me as a book assembling Bloch works and a lot of other material, as opposed to a book about Bloch that happens to contain some of his works. If you have the book, you can make a more informed judgement that I can. If it's primarily a book of Bloch works, I would use ANTHOLOGY as the least bad fit, with Matheson and Mainhardt as the editors. If the book is primarily about Bloch, then NONFICTION would be more appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:45, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::My edit for the HC was just approved after a long wait (I made a minor error in the note so that new edit still has to be approved), but I think I'm done and so someone should decide what to do with the 2 separate but equal paperback editions now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::HC copy just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, now I'm really done with this and so someone may want to decide what to do re: the above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:35, 31 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. R. Giles/Lamar Giles - Canonical Name ==<br />
<br />
Our canonical name for this author is currently {{A|L. R. Giles}}, presumably because that's how his first three SF stories credited the author back in 2004-2007. However, over the last 6 years he has published 4 SF novels and 2 stories as "Lamar Giles". A 2018 reprint of a 2006 story also used "Lamar Giles".<br />
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Are there any objections to changing the canonical name to "Lamar Giles"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:41, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276372 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase - call for editors to assist ==<br />
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Hello everybody! As all webzines, including those with mainly non-genre content, are now being indexed following a policy change in October 2022 regarding the Rules of Acquisition (as per [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Webzines_inclusion:_Proposed_extension_of_ROA this discussion]), I recently started indexing speculative contributions appearing in the last two-and-a-half years of [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/index.html Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase]. This webzine began publication in 2012 and ceased on 6 May 2022. It will be taken offline permanently on or about 6 May 2023, i.e., in about three months or so. My focus on those issues published between January 2020 and May 2022 is mainly because of the addition of a speculative fiction and poetry section called 'Outta This World' from May of 2020. However, some speculative contributions continued to be published in different sections, such as 'Crumbs' (for drabbles, jokes and short-form poetry) and 'Kid Stuff' (stories and art by under-eighteens) and, prior to the establishment of the 'Outta This World' section, speculative stories and poems could be found in other sections across the site (e.g., in 'The Reading Lamp' and 'Stories'). <br />
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It will be a challenge for me to complete the period from 2020 to 2022 in the three months available but there's no way I can cover the earlier years alone (if at all). Would anyone else be interested in covering the earlier (nine) years? It's possible that after May 2023, most - if not all - of the webzine could continue to be indexed using the Internet Archive but I suspect that lacunae would occasionally be found in the latter's coverage.<br />
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It may be the case that earlier issues contained only a small amount of speculative material so this might facilitate more rapid indexing, though of course the stories, poems and essays will still need to be read to determine their eligibility.<br />
<br />
Note that 'issues' are distributed across different sections and have been archived in different ways (e.g. under a specific section or under a particular author). The final issue appears on the current home page with items shown listed under each section. Each item appearing in the same issue will bear the issue date in brackets after the title. They can be found grouped according to month under most sections, e.g. 'The Reading Lamp' section is indexed for the period December 2013 to May 2020 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/the-reading-lamp-archives.html here] while that for 'Crumbs' is indexed for the period December 2012 to April 2022 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/crumbs-index.html here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, and the series page on ISFDB is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68935 here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:51, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rozic/Rosick ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=letter+to+roger&type=Fiction+Titles; I was adding a few links to stories from bloodrosemag.com that are on ISFDB and this dude's name is a mess. He had a story in Pulphouse which was reprinted many years later in a horror anthology under a different name; his story on Blood Rose, https://www.bloodrosemag.com/archives/sep%202001/craziedaze.html, spells his name differently at top and bottom. I did an edit (pending) making Rozic an alternate name of Rosick, but I'm not touching anything else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ongoing cleanup of post-submission pages ==<br />
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I am in the process of removing obsolete code which was previously used to display post-submission pages and was deactivated last week. I am also making minor improvements to yellow warnings as I go along, e.g. I am currently working on making the "Price" field support multiple yellow warnings. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:07, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Catalog ID- and ISBN-specific yellow warnings have been upgraded to support multiple warnings per entered value. Pre-1970 pubs with an ISBN now generate yellow warnings. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:42, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Price-specific yellow warnings for prices now support multiple warnings per entered value. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yellow warnings for image URLs now support multiple warnings per entered value. Certain odd Amazon URLs may generate more than one warning because they break more than one of our rules. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:35, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Yellow warnings about alternate and/or disambiguated names are no longer displayed for submissions which do not change them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:17, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Broken Galactic Central image links ==<br />
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Can anything be done about this? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 13:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Galactic_Central this post] for an explanation. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Rats! Thanks for the info. Is there a way I can make Google Chrome show the images, by allowing insecure images? I tried allowing both isfdb.org and philsp.com to show insecure content, but it didn't seem to do anything. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I would tell you to switch to a less arrogant browser, but I did a little research and found you can actually convince Chrome to do what you want in this case:<br />
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:::# Click on the lock icon to the left of isfdb.org in the address bar.<br />
:::# Click on <code>Site settings</code> in the drop-down menu that appears.<br />
:::# If <code>Privacy and security</code> is not already selected in the list at the left, select it.<br />
:::# You should see a list at the right with "www.isfdb.org" at the top.<br />
:::# Scroll way down through the "Permissions" and look for <code>Insecure content</code> with a danger triangle to the left and "Block (default)" to the right.<br />
:::# Click on the little down-arrow next to "Blocked (default)" and switch to "Allow".<br />
:::<br />
:::That's it. Now if you refresh (or go back to) the ISFDB page with the blocked image, you will see the image.<br />
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:::I hope that helps. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:25, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::HOORAY! It works! Thank you so much! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 20:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Biffignandi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107101; https://archive.org/details/aless-andro-biffignandi-illustration-art; https://archive.org/details/sex-and-horror-the-art-of-alessandro-biffignandi; Biff apparently did a ton of art but ISFDB, oddly, only has 2 German krimi covers and an American cover for an Anne McCaffrey book (?!?) Anyway, I have a feeling the books linked above may be of use to those who enter all those obscure foreign covers. Be warned, however; there is much, MUCH nudity, including some pretty racy stuff. I do like the cover near the end of the 2nd book, however, where a weird-looking shark is chasing a woman swimming with a BABY in her arms. Is that an Italian thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Drew S. ==<br />
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Drew Struzan is a well-known artist, today I added a link to an Archive.org copy of a novel he did the cover for, credit was to Drew Struzman, searching for that name only hit on that book, I asked PV who entered it as Struzan to check but SFJuggler doesn't always respond, so if anyone else has a copy of the 1991 Bantam Falcon edition of Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils you may want to check the copyright page. Struzan has no alternate names on ISFDB, so this may be the first. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:43, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Creative Guy From Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?23801; I did some editing for Lucy A. Snyder book, publisher is Canadian, my price fix adding the "C" is the only one, should all be "C"? There's also 1 price missing and 1 where editor entered British price for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Riley Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1468203; Is this, https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/220727_19, actually by David A. Riley, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19937? He has 2 cover art credits, both discovered by me some time ago, and I think this may be another piece of art by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== French Bardin and Dick ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22terrain-vague-pour-la-traduction%22+&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate; I added Archive.org link to Tor TP of P.K. Dick's The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike and added another link to the Paladin edition I did an edit for a long time ago, but there's another edition, a French one, and while searching for other books by the publisher I found they did an edition of Bardin's Deadly Percheron, although the French title is Big Clogs or something similar. So if anyone who regularly enters French editions wants to enter those. Oddly, there are publishers with the same name on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terrain+vague&type=Publisher, but one published LONG before these 2 books came out and the other I'm not sure about, having published only an art book and a French novel, with no translations of American books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Big O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?936; I added a D. Wheatley edition from this publisher and noticed the series, Plus, spells the publisher with a capital O. So should the publisher be spelled with a capital O, too? Also for the other series with A.C. Doyle books? Because on the Wheatley book it does look like they made the O big, since it stands for Oswald and so it makes sense that a person's initial would be capitalized. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:That seems appropriate. I found [https://archive.org/details/untramwaynommemo0000iris this scan] where the cover and title page have a stylized "NéO" logo (where it's hard to tell whether the "O" is capitalized), but title page says "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" and the copyright page says "&copy; Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO) 1981". So it seems they used the big "O". Two more scans corroborating that: [https://archive.org/details/troissaigneursde0000finn] and [https://archive.org/details/lhopitaletautres0000walt]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Based on that title page, the publisher should be "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" rather than "Néo" or "NéO". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:56, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All three of those scans have: "NéO" [in stylized form] (over) "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" on the title page. The copyrights use "Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO)". Dates are 1981, 1982, and 1986. In the 1986 book on the page facing the title page is "Voir liste des libraries NéO en fin de volume." and "Maquette: Studios Knack/NéO" (referring to the cover illustration). The 1982 book's copyright page's list of other books by the same author has a citation that uses "Nouvelles éditions Oswald/NéO". Whether it should be "NéO" or spelled out doesn't seem clear-cut to me. But if the short form is what should be used, then I think it's clear the capitalization should be "NéO", not "Néo". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Yes, the stylized "NéO" is the logo, and the name of the publisher is "Nouvelles éditions Oswald". If the publisher information is on the title page, we always go with that over anything on the copyright page or elsewhere. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:43, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Frankenstein Glut ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569772; PV is very gone, as can be seen there's a bunch of messy details I've tried to note/fix, LCCN ID on OL leads to a record which mentions a collector ed. and a paperback but there's only one edition on ISFDB, copyright page also mentions the 1977 Mews edition was shorter and substantially different and so wouldn't it be considered a separate book? Anyway, I noticed somebody made an edit for a Glut book today so they or someone may want to look at this after it's approved and see if they can do anything more with it. Donald N. will need to be made a variant of his real name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Making of ROTJ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957601; $4.25 edition has been here for years, I added $3.50 edition recently, I moved 2 ID over, $4.25 either is Canadian with higher price, later printing, whatever, but both PV are gone, so if anyone here knows what's up a C should be added to price or date should be changed to 0000, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alien Sex ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192541; Several PV, some active, nobody added Roman numerals to page count, one of the PV should do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Pwendt ==<br />
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Happy New Year (or Groundhog Day)! <br />
I nominate myself for self-approver. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. [[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. Does a good job. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:46, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' (and changing the title of the thread so it is clear what this is for :) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' -- Apologies for missing this earlier and not responding sooner. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Comment'''. I haven't worked on Pwendt's submissions lately, so I'll abstain. One issue that I encountered in the past was lack of clarity in Notes. My recommendation would be using shorter complete sentences with a subject, a predicate and an optional object. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:54, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag set on the account as per the consensus above. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:40, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disch Ruins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285521; I added links to 2 club editions recently, today a link to Arrow edition, Hutchinson edition has no price or cover artist, SFE says Chris Yates, this STAINED eBay copy has a flap photo which is blurry but a 2 seems to be the start of the price, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380896522207, so if anyone can find somewhere that shows better photos or owns a copy then price can be entered and cover artist (on back flap, I assume, although it may just be design) can be entered if warranted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:43, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Turner Diaries ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1601834; I came across a copy, uploaded to Archive.org a little over a year ago, and while making an edit remembered I had done an edit previously, which turned out to be not long before the copy was uploaded (I hate when that happens). Anyway, after my new edit is approved, there's 2 questions: name's spelled Macdonald, not MacDonald, but when changing that it still looks like MacDonald even though it's in a new column so it sees it as a change even though it doesn't look that way. Is that a quirk of ISFDB? More importantly, there's an essay by someone with the same name who I highly doubt is the same guy who wrote this notoriously violent and racist novel, and none of his 5 wives mentioned on his Wikipedia page were named Gina (I suppose it could be a relative), so I'm sure the essay writer, assuming they're still alive (it's been 40 years), would like their name moved to a separate record if they're not that other guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: When you enter or edit an author name, a publisher name, a series name or a publication series name, the ISFDB software first checks the database to see if we already have it on file. The check is not case-sensitive, so "ace books" will find "Ace Books", "george orwell" will find "George Orwell", etc. Once a matching name has been found, the software uses it instead of the form of the name that was actually entered. The process ensures that we don't end up with multiple separate records for the same author/series/publisher/etc due to capitalization mistakes during the data entry process. If we determine that the capitalization of the canonical name/series name/etc is incorrect, as is apparently the case with {{A|Andrew MacDonald}}, we can edit the main record directly.<br />
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: That said, the fact that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574438 this submission] shows "Andrew MacDonald" in the "Proposed Changes" column may be a bug. I'll take a closer look tomorrow. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:17, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I have confirmed that this problem affects both Edit Title and Edit Publication. {{Bug|826}}, "Edit Title and Edit Pub do not check for author case properly", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:23, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Coincidentally, famous artist LeRoy Neiman has all 4 of his credits on ISFDB as Leroy. Fixing the first one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575086, I subbed R but pending edit says r. So I assume it takes a while for your bug fix to start working? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:54, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{Bug|826}} is just a document describing the reported bug and how to recreate it. I am currently working on a software patch which should fix the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:39, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Red Skelton Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575145; I asked about this last July 4 on this board, MartyD agreed with adding the "e", neither of us ever fixed it, I came across this randomly today and am finally fixing it. I trust nobody has any objection? PV is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Price Of Three Women ==<br />
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This is a bit complicated. A stray mention of Anne McCaffrey on this site spurred me to see if I could enter anything interesting by her, skipping over her endless Pern books, and I decided to start with her non-genre works. That was a mistake. She published 3 gothic novels in the 70's which were collected by Tor as Three Women and published in either Dec. 1991 or Jan. 1992. So searching ISBN on OL found a record with no book but it did find a copy on Archive.org; searching for their URL, threewomen00mcca, on OL found a record with a link to the copy, so why ISBN doesn't is unknown because it's there on the page. Anyway, the copy is ancient, having been uploaded in 2010, but is missing the copyright page. Noticing the price was higher I created a new record with an "unknown" date and a note about it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575697. The problem is that I can't find a single photo online of a cover with the $4.99 price on it; I suspect there is none and the real original price was $5.99. Locus has much incorrect info, and searching ISBN in contents found these, https://archive.org/search?query=0-812-50587-5&sin=TXT; ignoring the 4 unrelated books, that Brown/Contento book is Locus with the same info found on their site, but that YA guide says $5.99. I find it very strange that multiple copies with extensive photos can't be found since most of her books were big sellers with large print runs and many were reprinted. I was going to cancel my edit and just add the copy link and the page numbers to the existing record, but decided not to because there's still a slim possibility it was originally $4.99. So check your shelves or the dark corners of the web, readers, and let me know if you can find a copy with that price. EDIT: My edit was rejected for some reason over my head so if anyone else wants to enter it, go ahead. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you were confused as to why it was rejected, you could have asked. I rejected it because it was creating an new OMNIBUS record without any content. Nor was there a moderator note stating that you intended to add the content in a subsequent edit. There are three ways you could have added this publication record. You could use the add publication tool, and manually add the contained novels in one edit. Then you would need to merge each novel separately. You could also use the add publication and in a subsequent edit import the three novel titles. If this was your intent, it's a good idea to note this in the Moderator notes, so that we'll know that you intend to finish the edit. However, the most efficient way to add this publication is with the Clone this Pub tool. That way, all the contained novels will automatically be copied and it will all be accomplished in a single edit rather than 2 or 4 edits. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stockholders in Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3560; Archive.org copy of #7 since 2010 that nobody ever entered here so I just did in a (pending) edit, but publisher is Warner PL; several entries omit the Warner on ISFDB, so should all of them, including this one, be made Warner PL, too? Did PL, no Warner, publish any of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author name validation enhancements ==<br />
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The way the ISFDB software handles author names in Edit Title, New Pub, Add Pub, Clone Pub, and Edit Pub has been enhanced. The following scenarios are now processed correctly:<br />
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* The same author name is entered using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" is changed to "david weber"<br />
* The order of co-author, co-artist, co-interviewee, co-interviewer, co-reviewer or co-reviewee names is changed<br />
* The same author name is entered two or more times (for the same title) using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" and then again "david weber"<br />
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In all of these cases the software now ignores the submitted "change".<br />
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Hopefully every permutation has been addressed/fixed. If you come across anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great SF About Doctors ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22Great+science+fiction+about+doctors%22; I added a link to original edition, fourth printing is on ISFDB with correct date but wrong printing and date in note, I added a link and fixed the note, cover artist is Don Ivan just like the fifth printing, so there's a lot of confusion, especially since the 2nd printing has no PV and nobody's entered the 3rd. So maybe someone can look into that and unmerge/un-variant; I have a feeling all the editions with that cover have Don Ivan on the back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== C. Alexander London canonical name ==<br />
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Are there any objections to swapping the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231877 here] to Alex London. The longer name had not been used for a long time and all new books use the shorter name. SFE also has the record under Alex London. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's a slightly unusual case in that his first series appeared as by "Alex London", the second one came out as by "C. Alexander London" and the last two went back to "Alex London". Be that as it may, "Alex London" is currently leading 8:3, so I think it should be the canonical name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series with non-fiction and short-fiction only ==<br />
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When a series has only non-fiction and short-fiction in it, it shows up in an author list as a "Nonfiction Series" (As the only container title is non-fiction, it kinda makes sense). However, it is factually wrong and we are a fiction DB after all. As novellas/novelettes are popular (both as "juvenile novels under 40K" and as self-published or e-only non-juveniles), this is happening more and more often. As soon as a collection of more than one of the stories show up, the collection title bumps the series into the Fiction category. But in the meantime, it lags under Non-fiction.<br />
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Any chance to have these shown up in the Fiction series list? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37710 this series]. See where it shows on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112144 author page]. Thanks! <br />
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PS: Another related case is a series with only short-fiction. Now these show all the way at the bottom, with the short fiction until they get a collection and then they sail up under Fiction series. Maybe we can solve both usecases together and just treat short fiction entries as the fiction containers and just list all fiction series under the normal series heading. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am looking at the code that drives the Summary Bibliography page and here is what I am seeing.<br />
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: First, the software organizes all titles by series. Then it builds "series hierarchies" so that embedded series appear under the top series -- note how "Star Wars: The Clone Wars (animated)" appears under "Star Wars: Clone Wars", which appears under "Star Wars Universe" on {{A|Tracey West}}'s page. Then it checks the title type of each parent title in each "series hierarchy" to determine which section of the Summary page the hierarchy belongs under. The current logic is as follows:<br />
:* If a "series hierarchy" contains at least one NOVEL, COLLECTION, or SERIAL title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
:* OTHERWISE:<br />
:** If it contains at least one ANTHOLOGY title, it is displayed in the "Anthology Series" section.<br />
:** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*** If it contains at least one NONFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section.<br />
:*** OTHERWISE:<br />
:**** If it contains at least one OMNIBUS title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section. (This check is performed after the ANTHOLOGY and NONFICTION checks so that OMNIBUSES with only ANTHOLOGY/NONFICTION titles would appear in their respective Anthology/Nonfiction series sections.)<br />
:**** OTHERWISE:<br />
:***** If it contains at least one SHORTFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Short Fiction Series" section.<br />
:***** OTHERWISE:<br />
:****** If it contains at least one POEM title, it is displayed in the "Poem Series" section.<br />
:****** OTHERWISE:<br />
:******* If it contains at least one ESSAY title, it is displayed in the "Essay Series" section.<br />
:******* OTHERWISE:<br />
:******** If it contains at least one COVERART title, it is displayed in the "Cover Art Series" section.<br />
:******** OTHERWISE:<br />
:********* If it contains at least one INTERIORART title, it is displayed in the "Interior Art Series" section.<br />
:********* OTHERWISE:<br />
:********** If it contains at least one REVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Review Series" section.<br />
:********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*********** If it contains at least one INTERVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Interview Series" section.<br />
:*********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:************ If it contains at least one title of some other type, it is displayed in the "Other Series" section. (This should never happen because CHAPBOOKs cannot be added to series.)<br />
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: Once all eligible titles have been placed into series, the displayed order of sections is as follows:<br />
:* Fiction Series<br />
:* Standalone novels<br />
:* Standalone collections<br />
:* Standalone omnibuses<br />
:* Standalone serials (should never happen because SERIAL titles are supposed to be turned into variants)<br />
:* EDITOR series<br />
:* Anthology Series<br />
:* Standalone anthologies<br />
:* Standalone chapbooks<br />
:* Nonfiction series<br />
:* Standalone nonfiction<br />
:* Short Fiction series<br />
:* Standalone short fiction<br />
:* Poem series<br />
:* Standalone poems<br />
:* Cover art series<br />
:* Standalone cover art<br />
:* Interior art series<br />
:* Standalone interior art<br />
:* Review series<br />
:* Standalone reviews<br />
:* Interview series<br />
:* Standalone interviews<br />
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: If we decide that we want to fold the "Short Fiction Series" section into the "Fiction Series" section, it would be easy to add "SHORTFICTION" to the list of title types which trigger placement in the "Fiction Series" series, then delete the "Short Fiction Series" section. It would also take care of the NONFICTION issue since series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION titles would appear in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
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: As to whether combining "Fiction Series" and "Shortfiction" would be a desirable change, I'll have to think about it. Annie's example is a good argument in favor of making the change, but then non-series short fiction, which appears below magazines, anthologies, chapbooks and non-fiction, would be treated differently than the other title types which drive inclusion in the "Fiction Series" section. I guess we could move the "[standalone] Short Fiction" section up the page, but then it would be above book-length works like magazines and anthologies. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::What a blast from the past! I remember working on that code.... The organizational thought behind that evaluation chain was that "books" should be the primary driver of the series type. But perhaps that's a mistake when it comes to NONFICTION. It seems reasonable to suppose there might be a NONFICTION work about any series of works, and if we want to put that NONFICTION work into the series, it shouldn't affect the series type, whatever that may be. So maybe it would be best to move NONFICTION to the bottom of the chain. just before the "Other Series" catch-all. Then Nonfiction Series would only contain NONFICTION. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Currently, a series with a mix of NONFICTION, ESSAY, COVERART, INTERIORART, REVIEW and INTERVIEW titles is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section. Would you say that it should be displayed in the "Essay Series" section instead? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:24, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The one gotcha I see with that is a nonfiction series that happens to contain an OMNIBUS as well (do we allow that?); we wouldn't want that to end up in Fiction Series. So that evaluation might need a tweak of some sort. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The official [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub rule is]: "A publication may be classified as an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION." So technically - yes, an omnibus can contain 3 NONFICTION items. In practice it is rare but it happens. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{A|H. P. Lovecraft}}'s [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309615 ''Collected Essays: Complete''], which collects HPL's essays originally published as 5 NONFICTION volumes, would be one example. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe the easiest way will be in the omnibus line to have a secondary check if there is at least one SHORTFICTION or POEM title - everything else on the fiction side is before the Omnibus so we will only reach that case when there are no novels and collections/anthologies. <br />
::: I won't insist on moving short fiction series higher but... I still think that having fiction series in two different places on the screen is confusing, especially for authors who write on the border between novella and novel and that end up with their series split in weird ways. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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I have changed the software to display series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION/POEM titles in the "Fiction Series" section. We may want to start another discussion about merging the two "Fiction Series" sections. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Embedded HTML is now displayed correctly ==<br />
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After close to a hundred patches over the course of many months, embedded HTML is now displayed correctly on all ISFDB pages. If you come across any irregularities or bugs, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What does embedded HTML mean? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Consider [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2145123 this record] whose title is "<sarcasm>Adventures in Gaming</sarcasm>". It could just as easily be "<nowiki><b>Adventures in Gaming</b></nowiki>". Angle brackets like "<" and ">" are the building blocks of HTML tags, so browsers interpret them as HTML commands to use bold, italics, underlining, etc. Or, in the case of "<sarcasm>" just stand around looking very confused :-) That's what "embedded HTML" is.<br />
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:: In order to prevent browser confusion, the ISFDB software needs to do something special to tell the browser that these particular angle brackets should be simply displayed "as is" instead of being interpreted as HTML commands. It took me a while to get everything updated, but I think I am finally done. I think I'll go have a tankard of non-alcoholic Klingon ale to celebrate :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::<clanks tankard/> For the Empire! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:29, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MV of SK ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5579477; It says 19.95 on back, librarian typed 21.95 on first page like ISFDB says, Locusmag says 19.95 but also says 1989 is the date yet they didn't see it until Aug. '90 for some reason, after this is approved someone more hip to these tangled Starmont/Borgo things may know more about if this is a 2nd printing, if they suddenly decided to raise the price before the 1st printing, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== HELP! A Bear Is Eating Me! ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL9881165A/Mykle_Hansen; English edition just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, but French version uploaded back in 2021 in case anyone wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFE Clute ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5581010; Why is this happening now? Did they change again? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This is the first "clute_uk" URL that I have seen. I am going to ask the SFE administrator whether it's a typo or a new part of their URL structure. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:31, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It turns out that "clute_uk" is a new publicly "linkable" subdirectory. I have updated the software to recognize it as legitimate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:48, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bradbury's Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?38262; Search on Archive.org only brings up 1 copy but as can be seen at the OL link, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5981610M/Twice_twenty-two, there's 1 of those weird "preview" copies; it doesn't really have the cover art like the thumbnail shows, just red cloth binding like the other copy, but it's a different copy. So if anybody knows which edition they belong in, if it's one of those later ones mentioned in the ISFDB notes, etc., then link(s) can be added; note also that OL mentions a 1994 Buccaneer edition. Also, Mugnaini's cover art was missing the month and his frontispiece was only included and dated based on the book club edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=twice+twenty&type=All+Titles, so I've fixed all that in (pending) edits; note also the last entry with a month that matches neither edition and is from a Virgil Finlay book. What's that about? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tainaron ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1440471; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=13630&recCount=25&recPointer=3&bibId=3359893; The original Finnish edition is not on ISFDB but it is on the Library of Congress site in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. I just added an Archive.org link to the Prime Books edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Grindhouse ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/grindhousethesle0000unse; Would the inclusion of the entire screenplay for Planet Terror qualify this for entry here? I've been wanting to find something with Tarantino's name on it so I can add his bio and find the most unflattering photo of him possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Richard Morris ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147497; Interview is with this guy, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0606889/, not the guy from the 1800's, but does that interview about a movie really belong here? If it does, some addition to interviewee's name is needed to differ him from the dead guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:50, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'll differentiate the name: thanks for finding this. The interview does belong here because it was published in a genre magazine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:36, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whimper of Whipped Dogs ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=whipped+dogs&type=All+Titles; Today is the anniversary of 911 calls here in America, starting in 1968 and prompted by the murder of Kitty Genovese a few years earlier which was the inspiration for this story by Harlan Ellison. I was looking for an online PDF and found this, https://xpressenglish.com/whipped-dogs/. I'm going to add the link but I'm curious where that drawing came from. Anyone recognize it? also, at the link above, the 2 essays seem like the same thing but there's no variant. Are they the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:24, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lester Dent Bibliography ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lester+dent+bibliography&type=All+Titles; https://archive.org/details/lester_dent_bibliography; 1996 date doesn't match either version on ISFDB and it seems to have been published as an e-book or something. Lots of Doc Savage work done recently here so maybe somebody wants to enter this or at least knows where it originally came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Squires Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?834417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?173963; I added an Archive.org link to the Leisure edition by Knight and checked his real name and found that he originally published What Rough Beast under that name. What's the variant rules here? Who's the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:45, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Where it's only one title under each name, it doesn't matter much. But I found an archived copy of his website http://www.harrysquires.com/ in the Wayback Machine, and in a 2012 version there is: "Now writing horror as H.R. Knight, Harry...". So it seems he deliberately changed his horror-writing identity from Squires to Knight. So I'd make Knight the canonical (which also works well because the publications under that name are more recent and more plentiful). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:01, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Post-submission display of Contents sections improved ==<br />
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The way Contents sections are displayed on post-submission pages is in the process of being changed. At this point NewPub and AddPub submissions have been upgraded. Their Contents sections now properly display multiple yellow warnings when warranted. They also indicate which submitted author name is new, which one is an alternate name or which one is a disambiguated name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Filaria ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258490; A copy was uploaded a few months ago on Archive.org; it revealed that the page count and the price here were wrong, I fixed those and added the link, but the review at Strange Horizons calls this the first book from Chizine and says 2008, as do all copyrights in the book itself. Why it has a late 2009 date here I don't know, and I also don't know why there's such a big gap between the first Chizine book here, January 2009, and the rest of their 2009 books. So real date is needed for this book and probably others from this publisher. Also, while researching this I saw an expired eBay sale for a 100-copy HC, which I believe Chizine did for many of their books, often including extra material, but very few seem to have been entered here, so there's that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Earthman, Come Home ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229485; I noticed a M. Ayme Mayflower edition said Dell on cover and Google Books had it with Mayflower-Dell on copyright page so I fixed that but this isn't on Google. It says Dell on cover, both PV haven't been around for years, but knowing these old paperbacks I hesitate to fix it without someone seeing a copyright page. So if anyone owns this edition can you check and see what it says inside the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:17, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Come Softly, Come Sweetly... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362038; I added info to the only issue of D. Sutton's British Shadow fanzine, from 1971, that's on ISFDB and Eddy C. Bertin has a story, "Come Softly, Come Sweetly", in it which isn't on ISFDB but his 1971 Dutch collection, linked above, has a title which translates to the English title, just with added words, so any Dutch people who are familiar with his extensive bibliography will probably know which came first and can variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:36, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?325553; Does that seem right? It should be other people named Mark Williams, shouldn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Two things: (1) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is matched up with forms of "Mark" is a bug. I would bet the issue is the "(". The ambiguity matching logic probably isn't paying attention to whether the parenthesized expression is at the end or is embedded in the middle. (2) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is not matched up with forms of "Mark Williams" is a limitation/feature of the current matching, which doesn't consider names containing middle names (or initials, etc.) to be ambiguous vis-a-vis the same combination of first and last name without any middle name. I don't think we'd want "Mark XYZ Williams" to be shown as ambiguous with "Mark Williams", but I guess I could see showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams". You'd have to lobby Ahasuerus on that one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:41, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|827}}, "'Same name' logic fails for records with embedded parentheses", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: It should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting the problem.<br />
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::: Re: ''showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams"'', that's a whole different can of worms. If you do a name search on "John%Smith", you'll get a list of a dozen names, including:<br />
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::: First we'd have to decide which ones are considered ambiguous. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:04, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Created By Matheson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8191; The advance reading copy, https://archive.org/details/createdby00math, says 352 pages on the first page, it's actually 344, ISFDB says 324. Anyone own a copy who can verify what the actual page count is? There are also Roman numerals at the front; no editions here have them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brutarian ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=brutarian&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Heads up that someone, after uploading 3 random issues years ago, started uploading more issues recently. This was not strictly a genre magazine but included some genre fiction/non-fiction, especially in later issues, some of it by big names. ISFDB only has a few late issues entered; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=brutarian&type=Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing issues on the newsstand at some store in New York City back in the 1990's or maybe a bit later, so it got some distribution, I guess. I got an R. Crumb vibe from it, though, probably due to the type of cover art they used, and didn't really peruse it. Crumb's art always made me nervous for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bonus fiction in novels ==<br />
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Why is a 'bonus' short fiction title allowed in a novel, but a serial installment is specifically excluded? There are a number of publications, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714319 example 1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714583 example 2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714262 example 3], where we're forced to misclassify what is clearly a serial installment. I don't see a downside to lifting the exclusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Because allowing SERIALs in books at all is a relatively new development. It used to be magazines and fanzines only. Then we allowed chapbooks. I think we should allow it in anthologies, novels and collections as well - especially because Magazines reprints are added as anthologies/collections AND because in our digital world, serials are used as bonus almost anywhere. Post over on R&S and we can hash it out and change the rules for serials. One thing to make sure we clearly separate - excerpts vs serials (it is intent that separates them essentially) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moonchasers TP ==<br />
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I've done a lot of Ed Gorman edits recently and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334, is a problem because the HC is & on the title page but no photos of the TP title page can be found. Does anyone own the TP? I've got a half-dozen edits on hold because mod won't change unless I show that it's & in the TP title, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sword & Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33789; Some weeks-old edit of mine was finally approved, fixing an artist's name in one of these issues, but now that I look at the series page something's not right. Why do only the last 2 issues have a comma after the issue #? Also, is the # really supposed to be in any of them instead of in the notes? Isn't that magazine policy there? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The title records reflected the individual publication titles since they hadn't been 'rolled up' by year. I took care of that.<br />
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:* The placement of the comma, in a periodical title, controls what is displayed in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?33789 issue grid]. Basically, everything after the first comma appears in the grid except the year as long as it matches the date field. If the year differs, it will also be displayed. Notice how the issue number doesn't appear in the two titles you question.<br />
:* Yes, current policy is to show the issue number in the publication notes. 21:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Flashing Swords! Help ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8495; I've just added Archive.org links in (pending) edits to #1 (2 Doubleday), #2 (Mayflower), #3 (2 Dell), #4 (2 1977 Doubleday), and #5 (Doubleday). Now there are some issues. Some people unnecessarily entered the series title in the book title, others didn't; some people entered Roman numerals in the page count, others didn't; some people entered the book title as it appears on the title page, others didn't. Also, #3 doesn't have the Doubleday book club edition entered; #'s 1, 2, and 4 have the book club dates as earlier than the Dell PB dates but #5 has both as the same date, so it's possible that the story dates for #3 are wrong because the book club edition was probably published earlier. There are many PV for all volumes so if any of them would like to add/fix anything it would help. EDIT: The only thing I fixed was importing Carter's essay in #1, "A Last Word", to the Doubleday edition; it was only entered here in the Dell edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Backward(s) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?93690; I just stumbled across a copy of Mitchell's Crystal Man which was uploaded in June of 2022 so I added a link and the missing page numbers to the many stories included in that book, but I noticed 1 story, "The Clock That Went Backwards", is actually "Backward". According to ISFDB the only instances of the singular title are the original, uncredited appearance in a newspaper and reprints in various books starting in 2013. So when my edit is approved that story needs merging with the singular or removing/adding the singular or whatever needs doing; the question now is if it really was the plural in the many books it appeared in between the above collection in 1973 and 2013. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, Pwendt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Secret Asia's Blackest Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855765; Something in the recent edits accidentally led me to this and some of those titles are already on ISFDB, specifically the Webb which was published in 2014 as "U-PAO. The Black Sutra", the Blackmore which is in 3 separate books on ISFDB starting in 2007, not 2009, and the Carter/Cornford story which is under the same title in 3 merged publications but its appearance in this book wasn't merged even though the editor did at least date it correctly as 1997. Person who entered it hasn't responded to anything for a long time so if anyone owns a copy a lot of re-dating/re-titling/merging is probably in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Borgo Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5592414; One of those annoying situations where they include both editions but don't specify which it is. Was it Borgo's style to print the correct barcode in red as it appears on the back cover in the Archive.org copy or is that totally unrelated and somebody just felt like coloring it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== O.J.'s Nightmare ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1706087; Willem and Bob PV separate editions, pretty sure it should be David, also could be related to other artists named Bowers, first name starts with D, here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Maelstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593175; A challenge to anyone who can find a bigger cover image and replace mine. This anthology has been on ISFDB for years and there are a few online mentions of it including Locus where the contents came from but, as can be seen in the notes, it seems to have either been barely published or not at all. While on an archived author's site I was trying to get info from there was an image in her bibliography of this book so I uploaded the .jpg, but it was very tiny and after blowing it up as big as allowable here the author names are illegible. The title and cover art still come through nicely, though. Maybe someone here actually owns a copy (HA!)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Further Adventures of Batman Printing Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34733; https://archive.org/details/furtheradventure00gree; There's a bit of confusion here. The original printing was July, PV Vasha77 did the 2nd printing but made an error by entering the month based on an ad on the last page which says 10/87 when the book was obviously published in '89, Archive copy above is a 3rd printing not on ISFDB with that same ad but 2 pages before it is an ad for G.R.R. Martin's Wild Cards with 7/89 on it. So since PV is gone and it was transient anyway I suggest we change month of 2nd to July also and then enter the 3rd with that month, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Goldstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25621; My edit making R. Goldstrom an alternate of Robert was just approved but I see there's 2 separate credits for Skeleton-in-Waiting. I think they need merging or something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Merged, as you correctly pointed out. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:05, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Davis Grubb Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5783; I've done a few edits for his rare 1978 collection Siege of 318 and recently stumbled on the fact that the title story was a retitled reprint of "Cry Havoc", which is why both have a 1976 date here. I've made a variant but I am suspicious that "The Idiots" from the 1976 horror anthology Frights and "The Idiot" are the same, too. Does anyone own a copy who can compare the 2 stories? Frights has an Archive.org link so story is readable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Content sections of Clone/Import/Export upgraded ==<br />
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The Content sections of Clone/Import/Export Publication post-submission pages have been upgraded. Rows can now display multiple yellow warnings per row. Yellow warnings are now more specific, telling you which authors they refer to. Auto-merge rows no longer warn you about disambiguated/alternate author/artist names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Changing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36975; I added LCCN ID and noticed 244 pages which is a lot different than 320. No online copies I can see so if anyone owns this can you check page count and fix if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Derek Neville ==<br />
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https://kylerader.net/2014/12/30/ghost-box-a-discussion-with-author-derek-neville/; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161858; I suspected the short story was not by the old Neville; there's a guy with the same name who self-published Ghost Box, which isn't on ISFDB but should be, but the only mentions of that name and the short story's title are our site and this, https://kristipetersenschoonover.com/2015/01/12/shitty-almonds-now-available-in-bugs-teaser-toc-here/. So story author should probably get a (I) after their name or something to differ them but unsure whether the same Neville wrote Ghost Box, although it seems likely. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?359885 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:57, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Needs space after 1st period of artist to make it the same as artist already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looks like that was handled as I can't see what you mean. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:41, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Scifibones fixed it today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1995 SPGA Showcase ==<br />
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http://www.locusmag.com/index/t742.htm#A37177; The Goldman story has the right original date on ISFDB but no mention of where it came from so I entered the info that it originally came from this anthology; the Everson story has the wrong date (2007), a different title ("Warming the Women"), and no mention of where it came from, so I added where it came from but didn't change date or title because it may have the same title in the anthology and should be merged or it really is different in which case it would be a variant; the Jacob story already has a note here about where it first came from. The Danley work being a story is suspicious because all his works (as Robert C. Danley) on ISFDB are poems; it's also weird that Locus listed all the poems after the stories instead of listing everything in order. So on the very slim chance that anyone owns the anthology some fixes would probably be needed after entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938058 that anthology here]. If it turns out the Danley work is actually a poem, we can easily change it. In the meantime, it's listed now. I also varianted the Everson story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:37, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Phantom Fango Edit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5595657; I'm confused about something. I haven't looked at any Fangoria issues for a long time, while doing Drake Douglas edits I noticed he had 1 review for a book by himself, I knew he probably wouldn't review his own book and found it was just an entry mistake and it was actually Stanley Wiater, who did the other reviews in that issue; I asked PV about it and they responded but didn't indicate they were going to fix it themselves, but now I see that it was changed to the correct reviewer but I don't see where that was done by anyone in the review record or issue record. Am I missing something? I assume I can just cancel my edit now, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Look at the last edit to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?841501 publication] containing the review. Yes, go ahead and cancel your submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:11, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Anthony Izzo Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597760; I'm not sure what's going on here. I thought this novel was not on ISFDB because the title was not in the author's record but after entering a new record the ISBN is a duplicate of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99881. Izzo mentions the title change here, https://www.anthonyizzo.com/post/author-anthony-izzo-s-latest-thriller-novel. So the existing record seems to have been entered from pre-release info on Amazon, maybe, before the title was changed. So what's to be done? Delete Unforgiven? It has a "P" cover image, wrong format, old ISBN-10 instead of ISBN-13 for a 2007 book, etc. (also see my note in Evil Harvest about confusion with ISBN-13, too). Or leave it and make the 2 titles alternates? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:06, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Evil Harvest edit was just approved; still awaiting reply on what should be done here. Anyone? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Beehive Book Award ==<br />
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The [http://www.claubeehive.org/about-the-beehive-book-awards.html Beehive Book Award] given out by the Children's Literature Association of Utah in the following categories:<br />
*Children's Fiction (chapter books)<br />
*Picture Books<br />
*Informational Books<br />
*Poetry<br />
*Graphic Novels<br />
*Young Adult Fiction<br />
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The books nominated and awarded are not limited to those by Utahns, though. It's voted on by children in the state of Utah from a list of nominees submitted by volunteers. It covers more than just speculative fiction works, but there are quite a few speculative fiction authors whose works have been nominated and/or won over the years. See the lists [http://www.claubeehive.org/past-winners--nominees.html here]. I'll be happy to populate the award if it's added. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see all the usual suspects: Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander, Jane Yolen, Ursula Vernon, Brandon Mull, etc. Looks legitimate to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?102 Done.] Sorry, I forgot all about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Arrow Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282; In tribute to Christopher Fowler, who just died, I started to add as much info as I could to his books and almost immediately ran into trouble. I added an Archive.org link to the original Ballantine edition but there's also an Arrow edition; however, there's 2 records here with one being entered in the very early days of this site and PV by a long-gone person while the other is much more fleshed out but not PV. Which should be kept and given the link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:They look like they are probably duplicates of each other. Anyone else have any different thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The "September 1989" pub was verified against the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b177.htm#A2341 Locus Index], which says:<br />
::* Roofworld (Legend 0-09-962340-4, Sep ’89 [Aug ’89], £3.99, 396pp, pb) Reprint (Ballantine/Legend 1988) sf novel.<br />
:: It would appear that "September 1989" comes from Locus. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== What The F ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fer+ward&type=Name; Unusual situation here where one would assume the second name is wrong but that's actually her name; the first name only has 1 credit and searching Amazon Look Inside it does say Jennifer on contents page but typing Jenniffer gets 1 hit, so possibly it's spelled correctly at the head of the story in case anyone who has an Amazon account can verify and fix/variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553261 ''Dreamless''], it's "Jenniffer Wardell" on the cover, on the copyright page and on the title page. The "Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data" section says that she was born in 1981. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::A full view on Amazon inside the book in which her name was entered here as Jennifer is needed because her real name per online info is Jenniffer and while contents page of that book says Jennifer a search inside gets a hit for Jenniffer, so I don't want a false variant name created (there's already way too many of those here) if it really should just have an "f" added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Searching the Amazon Look Inside for {{P|577626|100 Worlds}} shows that the "Object Lesson" title page uses "Jennifer Wardell". The "About the Author" does list her as "Jenniffer", but we enter per the title page. I have created an alternate name and varianted the story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baen vs. Baen Books ==<br />
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We have separate publisher listings for Baen and Baen Books. The top of both these records has "Do NOT merge this with [other version], there are two completely different timeframes and three different logos". However,<br />
*{{Pubr|38|Baen}} has books from 1984 - 2023<br />
*{{Pubr|55837|Baen Books}} has books from 1985 - 1992, 1995 - 1996, 2004 - 2006, 2022 - 2023<br />
So we are not separating them out as per the note. I don't see the need to have separate versions as we already normalize minor changes in publisher names and that information can easily be handled in a note. However, if we are going to have separate versions, then the time ranges should be added to the notes and the relevant books updated appropriately. The editor who added the note is no longer active so cannot ask them about it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:22, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: I would draw a parallel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?37 Ace Books], with multiple addresses and ownership detailed in a separate ISFDB [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publisher:Ace wiki page]. I also see no reason beyond whether they care credited differently in the books (Baen vs. Baen Books) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:00, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: A couple of thoughts. First, spot-checking some recently published Baen books, I see that they apparently use "Baen Books" and "Baen" interchangeable. For example, the copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929303 ''Dead Man Walking''], which was published on 2023-02-07, says:<br />
::* A Baen Book<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* First Baen Printing<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: The copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?931957 ''What Price Victory?''], which was published on the same day, says:<br />
::* A Baen Books Original<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: Note the use of "A Baen Book" in the first case and "A Baen Books Original" in the second case. The lack of the word "Original" in ''Dead Man Walking'' is due to the fact that it's a US reprint of a UK book, but otherwise "Baen" and "Baen Books" are used interchangeably.<br />
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:: Second, in an ideal world, we would capture two separate values: "publisher name as stated in the publication" and "canonical name of the publisher"; it would be similar to the way we treat variant titles and canonical names. Since we don't have this functionality implemented, I think it would be best to merge the two publisher records. Updating Notes would be nice, but, given the mixed use of the two names (as seen above), it may be more hassle that it's worth. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:43, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::What does it state on the title page, though? We generally go with that over what it states on the copyright page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:31, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Unfortunately, Amazon.com's Look Inside tends to use e-books' data for paper editions and e-books don't always have clearly defined title pages. I have many older Baen books in my paper collection, but nothing recent, so I can't check. For what it's worth, Look Inside shows that the two pubs linked above do not mentions the publisher in the "title page" sections. The sections immediately below them say "BAEN BOOKS by [author name]: [list of titles]", but that doesn't clarify things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:13, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::All of the recent ones I have just have the Baen logo at the bottom of the title page, so I'd go with "Baen". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions tweaked ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions have been adjusted to display more information about the title record that the new publication will be merged with. The "auto-merge" line now displays the same title information, including variant/translation data, that is displayed in the Contents sections of Publication pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dash or 00 ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Dark_Carnival_Date; Re: this discussion, do any experts here know of a way to automatically change all LCCN entered on this site, pre-whatever the date was when they changed from using a dash to zeros, from zeros to dash? I just enter them as they are on their site but, even though it makes no real difference because links lead to the records whether they have dashes or zeros, it would be better, I suppose, to have them as they appear in the books. Now all this is assuming that all pre-change LCCN had dashes and all post-change LCCN have zeroes, which I'm sure isn't true, but anyway I thought I'd ask. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vuk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kostic&type=Name; Vuk Kostic and Vukkostic are the same, I assume, 1 says Serbian and the other English, in case anyone wants to decide which should be the parent and which the variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Day Khrus(h)chev Panicked ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1618562; Did some edits a long time ago, came across it again today and added cover images and LCCN ID to both HC, Brits spelled name in title without a middle H, Yanks with a middle H. I fixed that for Cassell (title page seen on Cracabond Books, a site I don't think I've ever heard of before), Random House title page on Google confirms the middle H, Macfadden in Google Images confirms the middle H, if Digit title page can be seen then we'll know all and main title can be changed and American editions' title can be a variant (there's also a UK Ensign edition on AbeBooks without the middle H on the cover, so I think it's safe to say American H, British no H). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; I added a bunch of Kenneth Bulmer edits yesterday, and this, the last one, was just adding an Archive.org link, but then I noticed the month doesn't match the one in the note. I asked RTrace since I saw his name at the top of the edit history but he was no help, and of the PV the first guy's dead, the next 3 are gone (probably), and the last guy is still around but doesn't seem interested much in this site these days, so maybe Glenn is the only one who may respond helpfully; why is the month, which does say July in the book, April on this site? Fix needed IMO. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub submissions have been enhanced.<br />
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AddPub/ClonePubs pages now display a yellow warning if the title type of the associated title record has been changed since the submission was created. The "Title Data" section of NewPub/AddPub pages has been standardized to use the same fields, field names and field order as EditTitles' post-submission pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:08, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Disambiguated author" yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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Post-submission yellow warnings for disambiguated authors have been upgraded. They now use the same algorithm as "There are other authors with the same name" displayed at the top of Summary pages.<br />
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This means that "A" will no longer be erroneously reported as a disambiguated name based on the existence of "A (W) Hendry". It also means that "Stephen King (I)" or "G. S. (artist)" will generate yellow warnings informing the reviewing moderator that they are disambiguated names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:00, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request == <br />
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Hello,<br />
<br />
with around 10.000 changes to ISFDB since 2013 and also lots of source-code contributions I did really a lot for ISFDB and very seldom my edits have been rejected. As nowadays it takes extremely long to moderate submissions I'd like to have Self-Approver state. Hopefully that also leads to me adding a lot of my own books which I skipped until now.<br />
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As is probably known I'm not 100% happy with the way ISFDB works but adhere to the given rules. Thus I'll not use any additional rights I get to do more than now, but restrict my Self-Approver privilege to situations which I think consensus exists (misjudgment in individual cases included :-). For changes which could be troublesome I'd leave these submissions for other moderators to review (I assume that's still possible?).<br />
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--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 07:33, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Dirk! Alas, I do have some reservation about that privilege: while you did quite a lot of valuable source-code contributions, I have the feeling that many (if not all) of your publication additions to the database lack the quality we usually try to achieve, especially in sourcing the data (that is: giving the sources for the date of publication and the art credit; I personally think that also statements for the edition - first [language, tp, pb, hc, ...] would be welcome). <br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938811 Here] is a quite recent example (this one also has a seemingly wrong format, since the vast majority of publications by this publisher with the same format are defined as pb). Many of your added / verified publications have stub notes or none at all, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430657 this one]. (Also, many verified pub.s have missing or erroneous publication series, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?807320 this] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?729179 this], the first example being again a stub record). <br />
:On the whole, most seem somewhat hastily added, and I'd like to see some more quality in added and especially PV'd publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:42, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. I usually only add the minimum amount, because it's simply to much hassle to get it correct with a turnaround of multiple days for a change. It takes weeks to enter a single book correctly, especially as there is no preview feature yet and I have to redo everything when I make an error. Thus I only add the information which is required and important, nothing else. I certainly don't add all the information which it seems you find is necessary in the notes, but I add all the relevant information and I don't add wrong information. In the examples you showed there is no error: The example books you choose are tp and not pb. The publication series for Bastei is still a somewhat strange thing and not really visible in the books. The older books I added thus wont have them right simply because this "right" changed over the years. For new entries I try to follow whatever seems currently used in ISFDB. P.S. As already said multiple times - ISFDB has a large amount of errors in non-verified and verified publications (also errors which have been introduced to my verified books which have been correct when I entered the information). When the threshold to participate is too high that also wont change. I tried to help fix the software for this but the attempt didn't work out. I see that a small part of my ideas have be implemented in the last years, but nothing game-changing. Maybe to give you a note what I actually talk about: I own ~2300 SF and F books, 825 of these I verified in ISDFB, 787 more exist in ISFDB often with missing information or missing the exact copy I have. 685 are missing totally. I simply did not add them yet and instead do my own database. BTW Some errors also come from different moderators of the time: One moderator forced me to do one thing, the next exactly the opposite. And I always complied even if it did not make sense. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: '''Comment''': I haven't done much work on the submission queue lately, so I'll abstain. To answer the question raised in the last sentence, if a self-approver leaves a submission in the queue, it can be reviewed and approved/rejected by a moderator. However, submissions by self-approvers are color-coded and moderators tend to leave them alone because the presumption is that the self-approver is taking a break and will be back later. Of course, a self-approver can create a submission, leave it in the queue and then ask about it on the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe there should be a flag "please review" to turn off the color code? I actually appreciate in other environments when you have the chance to let somebody else review your stuff even when you yourself could approve it. For the easy cases you approve directly wheres for others you seek per-review. It's a concept which I e.g. are very happy with in software update submissions for openSUSE Linux distribution. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:33, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fixed Story Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Great_Disciple; Maybe I'm not being clear or something, but I'm not getting the answer I'm looking for so maybe someone else can help me. I did a bunch of edits for Bruce Publishing books and this one required more work, using the copy on Google Books, because story titles, I assume taken from Locus, were wrong in 6 cases (and 1 was missing entirely), from missing articles to completely wrong. I fixed them but now that it's been approved the 6 parent stories still have the wrong titles. That can't be right, most of the author's obscure religious stories didn't appear in any genre works and the 2 that did had the right titles (although 1 of them, "The Hound of Cullen", isn't in this collection so now I'm suspicious because it has a 1951 date on ISFDB but appeared in F&SF in 1953, so I wonder if the missing story I entered, "The End of Coo-Cullen", is that story retitled) so there's no variant, so how can I get both author names to show the correct titles? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You would have received the answer you were looking for had you told the reviewer; "The titles were only published under an alternate name so there is no reason the canonical name titles should differ." To correct, simply edit the canonical name titles and make the same corrections. However, I question whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106837 William Bernard Ready] should even be the canonical name. I don't see a single title published using that name. I would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13494 W. B. Ready] the canonical name with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?101925 William Ready] an alternate. This would obviate the need for the above edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:39, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Which Henry Holt? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601243; This is the 2nd time recently that this moderator has rejected edit(s) of mine while telling me to ask PV first when I clearly did that in both cases. This one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731, was asked about here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Swfritter#A_Month_of_Mystery, but I just decided to cancel it because trying to fix the countless verified editions of books that are clearly book club editions but not identified as such by the PV is too much for me to handle so I've decided to not do those kinds of edits anymore, but as for the 2 edits at the top of this message there's no reason for them to be rejected because as I explained here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Henry_Holt, this publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311, only has a few entries including those 1990's books entered recently by the same PV, while this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86, has almost all their books including pretty much everything published between 1986 and 2023, as is clearly explained in the note at the top of the page where it says they reverted back to that name in 1986. The 2 PV books say Henry Holt and Company on the title page so if we're going by what they actually say it wouldn't match any publisher currently on ISFDB. Standardization, right? Isn't that what mods are always saying, don't enter multiple publisher names? I think those 2 should be un-rejected. If not, I'd hate to see how many of the hundreds of "Henry Holt" books currently on ISFDB would need to be changed to "Henry Holt and Company". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:48, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You're mischaracterizing this a bit. In both cases, you submitted the edit before receiving a response from the primary verifier. Changing the name of the publisher is a major change to a publication record and should not be done without the prior assent of all active verifiers. Worse, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731 this submission] would have replaced the record for the trade edition with one for a book club edition, effectively deleting the record for the trade edition from the database. I explained this in the rejection note, and again when you [[User talk:Rtrace#MoM|objected]] on my talk page and I am explaining it for a third time here. I also explained in all these places that you need to get a response from the verifiers before submitting the original edit. Now, whether a title page stating "Henry Holt and Company" should be reflected as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86 Henry Holt], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311 Henry Holt & Co.] or a new publisher is an open question. However, it is still necessary to have a dialog with the verifiers before changing those records. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== FOCUS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?37441; I believe we have 4 separate publishers here: A German one, a British one (reprint of HC de la Mare book), an imprint based in Massachusetts who did Shakespeare, and a kid's book which maybe should have a different publisher, Tyndale, because it says "Focus on the Family" on the cover so Focus is more likely to be a series. In case anyone cares to differ them in some way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon UK ==<br />
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In this case, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312797, is it OK to replace the price and enter a link to this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22560761M/The_monsterologist, since there's no UK price and editor just entered the price from Amazon? This happens a lot. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== For those interested in Lovecraft and Winnie the Pooh ==<br />
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I ran across [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hemelein/the-horror-at-pooh-corner this Kickstarter] which combines the two. The anthology won't be out for about a year, but it's something to look forward to (I backed it). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:24, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== R. Dickerson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dickers&type=Name; Russell has many interviews, Russ has 1 which has an alternate because of a language note or something. So 1 of those should be a variant of Russell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:47, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Karloff the Editor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35824; A copy of Avon was just uploaded on Archive.org so I added a link, also added C to the price for the other (Canadian) Avon, added the month to the regular title since Avon was first edition, added other countries' prices to Corgi from back cover seen on FantLab, but most significantly added introduction to Souvenir based on photo on FantLab. It's not in Avon so it seems they added it for British editions; however, the only evidence here is in that Portugal edition where it says Introdução. So when my edits are approved that probably should be made a variant of Introduction and if anyone owns the British paperbacks the introduction is probably in those, too, and should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== De Grote Horror Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175406; Just uploaded is this, https://archive.org/search?query=grote-horror, which seems to be a German edition of the Signet omnibus, in case any German/German-fluent person wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Anderson ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=craig&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=anderson&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I added OL ID to Science Fiction Films of the Seventies some time ago and today came across it again and added Archive.org link; I noticed cover artist might be the same as the author and there's another similar name, all linked above, in case anyone knows if they're all the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maureen F. McHugh's The Cost to Be Wise - novelette or novella? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?59780 This] is categorized as a novelette, but it was nominated for 3 different awards in the novella category. If I look at the page counts in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347490 The Mammoth Book of Best Short SF Novels], it shows as 45 pages, which is the same as the following story - Greg Egan's Oceanic - which is categorized as a novella. (The rest of those "short novels" are all categorized as novellas, but they have longer page counts.) Google search results for 'mchugh "the cost to be wise"' followed by "novella" or "novelette" also indicate it is considered to be the former.<br />
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There are over a dozen verified pubs containing this story (which distill down to the 1996 Starlight anthology it appeared in, the 1997 Dozois Year's Best, a 2005 author collection, a Lightspeed mag special issue, and the aforementioned Dozois "short novel" anthology), so I'm wary of changing the type without some sort of discussion or second opinion. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I happen to have one of the anthologies as an ebook. After converting it to TXT and removing the other stories, the table of contents, etc, I see that the text contains 19,500 words if you count the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. If there are no dissenting voices here, I propose to make the novelette->novella switch in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: With a confirmed length, noone can object :) Add a note on the approximate length and change it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:02, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to close this off, the switch to novella has now been done. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:31, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derleth's Sleeping ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606597; Almost missed this rare one uploaded on Archive.org because they're doing something weird where the upload date is different than the added date which is causing a lot of confusion; anyway, PV is a bit...testy judging by my last contact with them, so I'm dry-running this here before letting them know of my changes. Does anyone see anything wrong with my edit? Title as it is on title page, spurious subtitle moved to notes, FantLab ID because it shows cover that coverless copy doesn't, etc. Also, I checked the Four Square abridgement on Dalby's site and it says "AND", not "&", on title page, so variants needed? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526; I see I added copy link and FantLab ID recently but now I've added LCCN ID, while noticing intro is dated with signed date instead of book date, something I've seen many times before, probably done by a specific editor who thought that's how it was supposed to be, so if it's not right one of the PV should fix the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606943; More title fixing; PB edition was recently uploaded so I made an edit adding link for that and title is "AND", not "&", on title page, so more variants needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== EditPub yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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All yellow warnings displayed in New Cover Art, New Regular Titles, New Reviews and New Interviews tables within the "Content" section of EditPub post-submission pages have been upgraded. They now use the same enhanced functionality already available on other post-submission pages.<br />
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At this point the only tables still using the old functionality and table layout are the 4 "Modified Cover/Regular Titles/Reviews/Interviews" tables in EditPub. As always, if you come across anything unexpected or erroneous, please post your findings here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There was a flaw in the last patch. The 4 "New" tables no longer display a yellow warning if the publication date hasn't been changed and the new title date is after the publication date. I am working on a fix. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:39, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: When you get a moment, please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607440 this submission]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:07, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for reporting the problem. It happens when magazine pubs are cloned. Working on it... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:53, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hauck ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck; I came across this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22compagnie+des+fees%22, and since many of these foreign editions have page counts off by a page or two on ISFDB because of unnumbered final page(s) I checked this one; page count was correct but the note about names on back cover was not. Heading off to ask the editor who entered the book I see that he's totally done with this site judging by the big red message on his board. So does anyone else own a copy? I think I'll do an advanced search and see what other books they PV; since they're not going to answer any questions maybe I can improve things a bit myself, add some links, etc. I'm sure some people here know what went wrong, so if anyone would like to give any details I'd be curious to know what caused Hauck to leave. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[User:Hauck]] left the project in June 2018 after [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck/Archive16#Award_for_Paradiso this discussion]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:00, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Wow. The comparisons to Nazi Germany may have been a bit much. I asked because he responded to 3 messages from 2 editors last June to tell them not to bother because he's un-verifying his PV's. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::"'''the note about names on back cover was not'''", perhaps should yo try a bit harder... ([https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fe/Lcddf.jpg]). {{unsigned|Hauck}}<br />
::::I think you meant "you should", not "should yo". If you look at the back cover of the Archive.org copy you'll see no names, so it's likely tight framing on the right side that cut them off rather than it being some variant without the names. Also, I put brackets around your image link because the giant image was taking too much space. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36904; There is the original hardcover at the top and at the bottom there's another by Putnam (should probably be G. P. Putnam's Sons like the original) which says it's from the Stephen King Library. The PV of that edition, AnimeBill, entered it in the very early days here and has been gone for many years, so no use asking them about this, https://archive.org/details/skeletoncrew0000unse. I thought it might be PV edition but now I'm thinking it may actually be a book club edition of the original since there's no number line. Is anyone here familiar with these editions who knows if there's some way to identify which edition the Archive.org copy is so it can be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Dead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609977; I recently added the original Sphere edition with no A. in author's name but looking further I see it wasn't there in the original, either. Also, the price was wrong, and the title date is 4 months earlier than the book date while Open Library says December. I thought I had trouble fixing all the later editions some time ago but this is ridiculous. So let's try to find out which, if any, editions use A. on the title page and what the real month of publication was so that can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H(elmut) Wenske ==<br />
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FantLab has a page for this artist and they say he did cover art for Night Chills, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23919, but besides a Flickr page nobody else credits him online and there's no credit in the book or signature on the cover that I can see. Another 1975 Avon book, Harvest of Fear, does have a Wenske cover which is a variant of an older cover for something else, so either FantLab confused the 2 books or the Night Chills cover is another variant of some older cover. Anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Infinities ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=new+inf&type=Publisher; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611320; One of the few from this publisher with no PV, I changed publisher to what it says in the book, this was discussed long ago but I think now would be a good time to decide on standard names, there are some books published just by New Infinities with BSM on cover (Berkley), who were just the distributor, while later ones have the Ace symbol on the cover and they're also mentioned on the copyright page. So, assuming all books say New Infinities Productions on title page and not just New Infinities, I think older ones should be New Infinities Productions (like the 3 Swycaffer books already are) and later ones should be New Infinities Productions / Ace. What do you think? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611351; Some of their books didn't even have the publisher on the title page. Also, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Death-G-Gygax/dp/044175676X, which has some ID number on the upper left; British edition or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:08 and 11:28''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: ''This section divided in two, by reference to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal&type=revision&diff=658024&oldid=658022 Differences between revisions 11:28 and 11:33] (personally unfamiliar with these coverart archives). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:08, 18 March 2023 (EDT)''<br />
=== SFE-hosted images at /nicholls/ ===<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611356; Is it possible to get "nicholls" images supported at SFE? Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:33''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's my understanding that the reason that SFE-hosted images are stored in different subdirectories like "nicholls" is that they were donated to SFE with different stipulations and caveats attached. Some of the stipulations may persist after the death of the person after whom the subdirectory was originally named. Last time I checked with the SF administrator, which was just a month or two ago, "nicholls"-hosted images were still off-limits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Link for uploading author picture ==<br />
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Publications have a handy link that allows uploading of a new cover image. Can we have one of those for people, too, and have it preload the fair use author image template? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I can't think of a reason not to add one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contents Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5613311; Should those 2 collection titles in the contents be removed after approval? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No, they belong. Pipes will be needed to ensure they remain in the proper positions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:24, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Sorry, pipes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbook: Non-genre, juvenile, etc ==<br />
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Replying to my userspace inquiry last fortnight, Rtrace observed that the Non-Genre flag for CHAPBOOK title records has an important function governing layout. All chapbooks flagged "Non-Genre" are listed below the line at the bottom of an author's Summary Bibliography. Juvenile, Novelization, and Graphic Format probably have no such function.<br />
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There is a cleanup report "CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION Juvenile Flag Mismatches", maintained at length near zero; by inference I have flagged a few chapbooks Juvenile, and probably missed a few. This feels like a good time to ask about all four flags {Non-Genre, Juvenile, Novelization, Graphic Format}. Should all four be aligned for chapbook and its shortfiction content? And, anyway, does the guideline do what we think it should?<br />
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Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length. We have more than 100 chapbooks, but less than 200, for each of Non-Genre, Novelization, Graphic. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:30, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The numbers are not unexpected-- non-genre and graphic chapbooks will be here ONLY if they are from above threshold authors and even for them, we don't really go out of our way to find and add them. Same applies for noveliazations - most are either novels or not published on their own - most of the ones we have as chapbooks are the current "juvenile" ones of various movies.<br />
: I tend to align them completely when I am adding them - a new (and sometimes not so new) user of the system don't necessarily understand that they need to scroll down to the short stories section OR click on the short story in the search results so not setting these on the chapbook is counterproductive. So having both entries carry the flags makes it easier for a user to find what they are looking for. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:48, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As I recall, we had this discussion on the Rules and Standards page a few years ago. The consensus seemed to be that our "chapbooks" are basically single-story collections, so the same rules should be applied. Since we would flag a collection as "juvenile", "novelization", etc as appropriate, we should do the same to chapbook titles. We also discussed creating additional cleanup reports to reconcile the flags between chapbook containers and their short fiction titles.<br />
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:: Re: "Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length", that is because the ISFDB software won't let you specify a "length" value for anything other than SHORTFICTION titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grant Allen, Backslider ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=backslider&type=All+Titles; I just imported 15 stories into 100 Menacing Little Murder Stories, one of those reprint Barnes & Noble anthologies, and while doing that noticed something else. The uncredited "Backslider" (issue's on Google Books) and the story by Grant Allen are the same story! So what's the procedure, which I'm never clear about: Make the uncredited a variant of Allen and make both the same date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, variant the uncredited version to the Allen version and give the parent the date of first printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Davies Reborn ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3342; I did a bunch of edits for books in F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle, and while Reprisal and Nightworld used the same art for HC and PB Brit editions the first book's Brit HC used the same art as the American Jove PB which was published first according to ISFDB, but that doesn't make sense because Davies was a Brit illustrator (and nobody's credited in the Jove, anyway), so I suspect Brit HC was published first, in case anyone can figure this out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== An Account Above Burnside Park ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=burnside+park&type=All+Titles; Someone entered Farah as Farrah incorrectly, as a check of the TP on Amazon reveals it's Farah, but a search of the title on ISFDB also reveals that the author published the story originally under another name in a magazine she edits. So if anyone wants to decide what to do with all this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bookscans HTTP, HTTPS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5614823; I thought the recently uploaded Archive.org copy would just be the original of the fully-readable one uploaded some time ago but no, it's 2 distinct copies, so I added a link and while doing so noticed the cover image had the old "Fatcow" URL which Bookscans used to use, of which there are 8 still on ISFDB (7 when my edit is approved), and also the fact that the old URL is https while the new one is http but new cover shows just fine unlike, say, Galactic Central where all their http images are broken. What's the difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unlike Galactic Central, Bookscans has a valid HTTPS certificate. This is why you can connect to https://bookscans.com/Database.htm, but if you try to connect to https://www.philsp.com/ your browser will display an error like "Secure Connection Failed".<br />
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: That said, once a Web site has a valid HTTPS certificate, it still needs to be configured to support HTTPS. Ideally, it will transparently redirect HTTP URLs to their matching HTTPS counterparts the way we do. Bookscans' HTTPS configuration appears to be incomplete, but I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Sometimes a Web site's data is spread across multiple computers and/or multiple domains, which makes it harder to get everything to work transparently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:06, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LAF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537; The first one has a couple of active PV so I'm going to ask about this; I recently added cover artist in a pending edit to Without Warning by Fern Michaels, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537, with the same initials on the cover. So the King monkey art was also done by Lisa Falkenstern. EDIT: A copy of Fantasy Annual III was just uploaded and while adding a link in an edit I noticed she did the cover for that, too, but signed it L. Falkenstern. Also, #5 has no art credit so I wonder if she did that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star SF Stories #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089; 6 PV, 5 active, none noticed the cover is wrong and is actually from a later edition, any objection if I replace it with the right cover, 96, here, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/ballantine/ballantine02.htm? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:47, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Talk to the 5 active PVs. If you submit a replacement, it will be held until you talk to them or it will be rejected with an advice to talk to them. If you want, point them to this topic but don't expect people to monitor CP about their verified books. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:49, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You can talk to them individually if you want. I don't plan on fixing anything until at least 1 of them responds; if it was 2 I probably would do it on their boards but not for 5. Most don't respond to anything or have the same answer about going to hospital/coming out of hospital, I can't check because I'm about to move/just finished moving, or some variant of "how dare you imply that I did something wrong". So if 1 or more of them see it here, the board most people check, great, if not, who cares, the book's been here for years and years and nobody besides me noticed the very obvious fact that the cover isn't for this edition because it has a totally different price and ID, most are too busy working on ephemeral e-books and don't care about the old print books anymore (besides me and a few others) judging by how much info here is wrong that I've had to fix over the last 2+ years. Try responding to one of my many questions on these boards with something useful that I can use to fix or add info with instead of coming out of the woodwork once in a blue moon so you can complain about something trivial. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: It would have taken you less time to post to the PVs pages and point them here than to write this. But everyone chooses how to spend their own time on the project. <br />
::: You asked about objections, I posted an objection, explaining clearly that such a change cannot be approved and a recommendation on how that objection can be overcome so a submission can be approved. It may not be useful to you because it does not agree with your thinking but it is how the project works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm not here often, but I try to respond to whatever's on my page. I did not notice the cover was off when verifying, but can upload a fresh scan of my edition now when it's been pointed out. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:33, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Done. Waiting for approval. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:55, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:31, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Song of the Earth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5617672; It's Royo as cover artist in both, Luis is wrong, in case anyone wants to fix that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== McBride Cover Artists Of Thorne Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709359; [https://www.pbagalleries.com/images/lot/1139/113941_0.jpg]; SFE just upped cover of 1926 edition of Topper, I added artist C. V. Farrow, this is the other McBride Thorne Smith book, signature in the grass on right corner that looks like F. Rogers, can't nail it down anywhere, someone here may know who it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tomato Cain ==<br />
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I was just about to sign off for the night when I saw a new edition of Nigel Kneale's collection Tomato Cain on SFE, https://sf-encyclopedia.com/gallery.php?filter=link:kneale_nigel&slide=6, but OL only has this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL38018073M/Tomato_Cain_and_Other_Stories_Hb, by Gratis Kneale (?!?) Was this ever published? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Marcy/Dean ==<br />
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https://hellnotes.com/interview-with-dean-italiano-author-of-the-starving-queen/; I've been adding lots of author photos and other stuff from the old Cosmos Books site and this one is a bit tricky, because he used to be she, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34089. Whatever the rules are for that here; I vaguely recall some discussion about this months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request - Welo==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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i'm asking for self-moderation privileges.<br />
Actually i wouldn't need it, i'm usually happy with the mods work and timing. <br />
But edits often need a follow up (cover, variants, merges etc.) and lately approvals take some time and that's hard to track for an editor.<br />
As my edits are mostly fairly basic, self-mod privileges would be very helpful.<br />
Werner [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 11:05, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Support work I've seen looks good[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You have my vote--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 18:04, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==<br />
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I recently submitted this note to the entry on Peter Grainger:<br />
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"I don't know how properly to comment on this. Forrest J. Ackerman was "Peter Cartur's" (or Peter Grainger's) agent. That's why he gave permission. There is NO WAY that Ackerman could have written that story, and no reason to suppose he did. As for the copyright, at that time, the magazines that originally published the story often bought the copyright, and only paid the authors for reprints out of the goodness of their heart (or perhaps if the contract specified such a payment.) So Fantasy House (publishers of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction) held the copyright. Gordon van Gelder, now the owner/publisher of F&SF, states that the contract for the story "The Mist" was signed by Peter Granger (no "i".) I would wonder about the source for the spelling "Grainger", given that he apparently never published under his own name. Incidentally, in the Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter for July 1950, Ackerman reports on some of the "up and coming" writers he is representing, mentioning Roger Flint Young separately from Peter Cartur. However, that doesn't mean much, as he also mentioned both Kris Neville and "Henderson Starke" as new writers in his fold, and there is no question that "Starke" was a pseudonym for Neville."<br />
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My objection was to the existing note on the author Peter Grainger, who is not credited with any stories under his own name, but with stories as by Peter Cartur, Roger Flint Young, and Max Dancey. This note reads:<br />
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"Pseudonym sources: Roger Robinson (his source: McGhan), Contento/Locus.<br />
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction Tales includes:<br />
Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms."<br />
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My "edit" -- not really an edit but a comment on the note, though I probably should have suggested an edit -- objects to the (pardon me, but I must say, preposterous) suggestion that perhaps Forrest J. Ackerman wrote the "Peter Cartur" stories. The rational given -- that Ackerman gave "permission" to reprint the story, so therefore he must have been the real author, is ludicrous. The copyright was actually held by "Fantasy House" (which is to say, the publishers of F&SF) -- a common practice in that era. Ackerman was the agent. The Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter citation I made supports this claim. Also this long list of Ackerman's clients, which includes Cartur, Young, and Dancey: https://archive.org/details/internationalsci00coli/page/190/mode/2up?q=%22roger+flint+young%22&view=theater<br />
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The statement that "copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name" may be true NOW (I don't know) but it was manifestly not true in 1952, when the copyright was held by "Fantasy House". <br />
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What I think should be done is to cut the note off after the credit to Roger Robinson's pseudonym list. The whole thing about Ackerman is meaningless -- he was the agent, so authorize to give permission for the reprint.<br />
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Also, the credit to "Grainger" is in question, though I don't know how to resolve it, as Gordon van Gelder, in correspondence, tells me the original contract for F&SF publication was signed by "Peter Granger". There is a British author, much later, named "Peter Grainger". Could he be the source of the confusion? - {{unsigned|Hortonwho13}}<br />
: Yes, the later author is possibly the source of the confusion - we use differentiation and they need to be done manually when needed - and some of them may be missed occasionally. Let me look through these pages later today and see what I can untangle. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett ==<br />
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I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297694 Dawn Burdett] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297701 D. M. Burdett] are the same person as mentioned on [https://www.blackharepress.com/d-m-burdett/ this site]. What does anyone think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:18, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Possibly, but the publisher page you linked doesn't mention anything about her doing art. Since all of them under "Dawn Burdett" are cover art, and because the author bio doesn't mention doing cover art (or any art), there's not enough evidence to suggest they are indeed the same person, at least to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:50, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Fine, but it does mention D. M. Burdett's first name is Dawn. But, until further evidence turns up, I guess I'll leave the matter alone. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:51, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== J. E. Thomas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15278; "Doom in the Room" actually by famed author Jeffrey (Edwin) Thomas, very early story so maybe he used that name at the start of his career, but that other story in the Valancourt anthology is likely by some old-time author. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post Mortem Print Vs. E ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Post_Mortem; An old message of mine finally becomes relevant as this, https://archive.org/search?query=9780615452623&sort=-addeddate, was just uploaded. Editor has a middle initial, 1 story title is different, dates are obviously wrong, etc. Amazon links to reprint e-book are dead, so if anyone can find a preview copy of it we can compare it to the original print edition and fix a bunch of stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bauman CaCE Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916930; FantLab shows Bauman did Dark Harvest cover, she signed it on lower right, copyright page of Tor credits her, too, she also signed it on lower right, but covers are totally different, art should probably be unmerged and made 2 distinct credits, she signed it differently between editions, Dark Harvest is name on left, date over copyright on right, Tor is name over date on left, copyright on right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dillon LANBSM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?527617; I just added a link to the PB and noticed those covers are different. Why are both under the same cover art record? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Terratoo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terratoo&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what should be done with these, title pages would need to be seen to determine correct author names, if anyone can find out then maybe a merge or variant will be in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Short Novels Covers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35073; I added an OL-only non-preview link to the '54 PB and fixed the month in all dates to 10 in a pending edit, but I think the HC credit for Powers is wrong; art on PB is in his usual trippy style, art on HC is just random lines. I think PV of HC or someone else just trusted the info they got, as mentioned in their note. I think Powers credit should be removed from HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==<br />
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.<br />
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Several Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Resurrected Holmes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction Title Question ==<br />
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}. For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font. Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text. I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)". However, the signature at the end gives me pause. I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently. Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate. What do other folks think? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”. Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F. Cantor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==<br />
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.<br />
Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.<br />
Thank you very very much.<br />
Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wasteworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Expired Link ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=659305ISFDB:Community Portal2023-04-05T02:18:32Z<p>Zybahn: /* Expired Link */ new section</p>
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== Looking for one book. ==<br />
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Hello. I am Looking for one book. I only remember the beginning of the piece. Some guy found a derelict computer, sat down at it and started doing something, and then he saw a man with a gun walk up to the desk, they looked at each other in silence for a while, then the guy mechanically pressed the Enter button and the man shot him back. The work was read in the 1990s or very early 2000s. The piece appeared no later than the 1990s (probably earlier). I also remember that the guy was doing something enthusiastically on the computer: at first he typed without looking at the screen, but the message on the computer monitor made him do his work more slowly and carefully. The phrases went something like this. The message on the computer screen made him work more carefully. Behind the desk stood a man with a gun in his hand. The guy had never seen a real gun, except in the movies, but he knew immediately what it was. The guy's hand dropped mechanically to the Enter button, and the same second the black muzzle of the gun burst into flames, ending his life. Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 01:23, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Nothing comes to mind, I am afraid. There are a couple of Reddit forums that may be worth a shot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue], which handles all types of media, and [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ PrintSF], which specializes in printed speculative fiction. The Usenet group [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.sf.written] may be another place to check. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sadly. Thank you. Wrote in the first and third place, in the second they require 2 days from the date of registration. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 15:05, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Another possible place to check is [https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on the AbeBooks site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've updated the [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|ISFDB FAQ]] with a section containing the above links. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:14, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you, I wrote. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 05:02, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I wrote: 1. [https://community.abebooks.com/s/question/0D53n000092akFOCAY/a-guy-gets-into-an-unattended-computer-and-gets-killed-with-a-gun-for-it-a-detective-or-maybe-a-thriller?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI Book Sleuth], [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/1046dwp/tomtmovie2000sa_guy_gets_into_an_unattended/?sort=new tipofmytongue], [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/105spj3/looking_for_one_book/ printSF] and [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/c/4p_Z6o_Uc38?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written]. Where else to write? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 06:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Merge -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Title Merge submissions have been enhanced. They now correctly display embedded HTML and properly link to third party Web sites. Displayed field names are now more meaningful. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Award Editor -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Edit Award submissions have been enhanced. They now link to the main Award Type page for the award's type, correctly display embedded HTML and link to IMDB where applicable. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request Currey check (print, 1979) ==<br />
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''The Body Snatchers'' (1955) publication record {{p|211333}}, primarily by User:Bluesman who is no longer with us, implies that Currey is the source for cover artist "Stuart Treslian". That reference should be to print [[Reference:Currey]] rather than the L. W. Currey website, which does not name Stuart T nor any cover artist in current descriptions of two copies ([https://www.lwcurrey.com/pages/books/129296/jack-finney-walter-braden-finney/the-body-snatchers one at US$4500]).<br />
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Spelling "Stuart Tresilian" may be expected. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tresilian Stuart T at Wikipedia]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The entry for this book in Currey is not the source for the cover artist, and doesn't ordinarily provide the cover artist in the entries. I'm certain that [[Reference:Currey|the reference]] is what [[User:Bluesman|Bill]] was referring to in the note. However, I believe he was only indicating that Currey stated that there was no statement of printing. You may also find [[Reference:Verification Sources|this chart]] helpful. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:15, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Layout supports your interpretation.<br />
:: That chart of ISFDB Verification Sources will be useful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:03, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fiction series(?): Body Snatchers, The; Invasion of, The ==<br />
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We have 1955 T{{t|437}} and rewritten 1978 T{{t|186595}} versions of this Jack Finney novel, as distinct parent titles with multiple variants (some under shared titles), presumably because the rewrite has been judged "great enough" (DO NOT MERGE, Mhhutchins, 2008-12-13).<br />
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Those need some linkage. (I will need to re-revise the former parent Title note, item 2.) I suggest a Series containing numbered versions 1 and 2. Is there any reason not to link them by a fiction series, rather than multiple cross-reference links? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Publication -- post-submission page in the process of being updated ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for "New Publication" submissions are currently in the process of being updated. The first patch was installed a few minutes ago. It tweaked the way the "Title" section is displayed.<br />
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Upgrading the software behind this Web page is a delicate process because some of it is shared with other post-submission pages like "Clone Publication". It will take a few patches to get everything updated. In the meantime, if you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:15, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It does look a little jarring without a label at the top of the first table but I will wait to see where that ends before complaining about it properly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Oh, one thing - html in the Moderator notes is not resolving. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5540454 example] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Investigating... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, the missing header ("Title Data") has been resurrected and "Note to Moderator" has been changed to display HTML correctly. All previously upgraded post-submission pages had the same HTML display issue, but it didn't become obvious until NewPub was upgraded since Fixer uses HTML in moderator notes. Thanks for reporting the problems! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:32, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Looks good now. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The "Title" section has been further enhanced for AddPub submissions. It now displays all field values for the title record that the new pub is about to be attached to. It doesn't include reviews, tags, a link to the parent title (if there is one), variants or other fancy things that the regular Title page displays, but it's a lot more data than what was displayed before the change. The new format also has a new section header, "Automerge title data", which hopefully makes it easier to tell that the submission is an AddPub and not a NewPub. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:52, 14 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The "Publication Metadata" section has been updated to display embedded HTML tags correctly and to allow multiple warnings per field. A few yellow warnings have been tweaked and I plan another pass to upgrade the rest of them once I update ClonePub, Import/Export and EditPub to use the same software. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:32, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I suppose that "Post-submission pages" include "Approved ..." among others. Approved New Publication; Approved ClonePub; Approved Publication Update --all retain(?) link label "New record:" in the footer. Approval timestamp 2023-01-17 21:28:23 for the mildly offending PubUpdate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:09, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928677 this recently created pub]'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928677 Edit History], I see that the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527716 NewPub submission] which created it links to the new record at the bottom of the page, which is as it should be. The subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527989 PubUpdate submission] also says "New record" and links to it even though it's no longer a new record.<br />
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::: It looks like it's an old bug introduced back when Edit History was implemented a couple of years ago. {{Bug|824}} has been created -- thanks for identifying it! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:14, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: It should be fixed now. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Looking for a sci-fi title ==<br />
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Hello everyone, I am looking for the title and author of a SF short story (or novel) in which a NASA-type company sends chronically unlucky people to unknown planets. Since these people are dogged by ill luck, the company figures they will encounter all the problems there are : monsters, eruptions, and so on. And that will be a good way to prepare for the planets’ exploration. Does anybody happen to know, by any chance, the title or/and author of this story ? Yves Lavandier {{unsigned2|07:15, January 18, 2023 |Yves Lavandier}}<br />
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: I have no recollection of a plot like this. Can you perhaps give a line of time it might have been published in? (It sounds more like a classic plot: 1940s to 1950s, I'd say). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:You can try one of the resources listed [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds like the plot of Robert Sheckley's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46023 The Minimum Man]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Annals of Klepsis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2779; https://archive.org/details/annalsofklepsis0000laff; Active verifiers, look at this, it's got stuff crossed/whited out on front and back covers, a pasted string of numbers on copyright page, etc. Alternate edition or something, maybe, if anyone wants to enter it. It was added in Feb. 2021, just after the last PV. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5547100; This was uploaded in April 2021; I made an attempt at entering it ("borrowing" the phrasing of the price info from other records on ISFDB) but I'm sure editors who enter French books regularly can add some stuff after my edit is approved. I notice someone named AlainLeBris did a lot of them; is he still editing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: AlainLeBris's last activity date is 2022-01-22, almost a year ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth" ==<br />
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Silverberg's 1958 novella, {{T|67050|name=We, the Marauders}}, came out a few months earlier than his 1958 novel {{T|2798|name=Invaders from Earth}}, although they are basically the same story. As such, it has often been viewed (including in our records) that the novella came first, and was then expanded into the novel. In a post yesterday on the FictionMagsIndex mailing list, Silverberg corrects that impression, writing:<br><br />
"After 65 years I don't have a clear recollection of how the changes in INVADERS FROM EARTH came about. I do recall that I wrote the book for Don Wollheim at Ace and then offered it to Bob Lowndes, whose pulp magazine SCIENCE FICTION QUARTERLY could handle long stories. The title "We, the Marauders" on the magazine version was Lowndes', though I liked it. I don't recall whether he or I did the cutting, or how the changes in plot came about. The Ace version was the original one, though."<br><br />
I have updated the title notes to both the novella and the novel to reflect this information. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 13:08, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: (I reviewed those Title notes but don't know the story.) I submitted update, and noted "hold for User: Chavey", of the NOVEL note as "the same story" ==> "nearly the same story" ... "and the cuts create a different resolution to the main character's personal story." The latter information, from the novella Title note, seems too important to omit from either one. Also I showed strong approval of the paragraph break by replicating it here for the novel, which unfortunately creates a mass of text in the "Differences".<br />
: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ohioana Book Award ==<br />
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Here's another award I found. It's not a specifically genre award, but there are genre winners regularly appearing in its list of winners. [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/past-award-winners/ Main list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/other-awards/ additional list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/ general info]. They appear to be all juried awards, given out since the early 1940s.<br />
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List of categories:<br />
*Fiction<br />
*Nonfiction<br />
*Middle Grade & Young Adult Literature<br />
*Juvenile Literature<br />
*Poetry<br />
*About Ohio (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Walter Rumsey Marvin Grant (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Readers’ Choice Award (the only non-juried award)<br />
*Alice Louise Wood Award<br />
*Anniversary Award<br />
*Award of Merit<br />
*Career Award<br />
*Citation Award<br />
*Editorial Excellence<br />
*Head Award<br />
*Krout Poetry<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Pegasus Award<br />
*Sesquicentennial Award<br />
*Ohioana Fellowship<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author<br />
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I can enter them once they're created. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:13, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am not sure how many of their categories have SF awards, but I have found at least a few genre authors: Andre Norton, Lois McMaster Bujold, Virginia Hamilton. If there are no objections, I can create a new award type, which will let moderators create categories as needed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yup, that's pretty much along the lines of what I found. Edward Eager is in there, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:00, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. It's our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 100th Award Type]! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::An auspicious beginning, to be sure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:12, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Took a while, but I think all of them are entered now. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== S.E.P. SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29174; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483; Likely these 2 records are for the same book, but each contains info the other doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:39, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. I've merged everything to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon cover images in publication records ==<br />
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[1] Given some stable image file.jpg under "images/I" at Amazon, do we have any reason to prefer one of the addresses https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/ and https://m.media-amazon.com/ ? Is it valuable to change our URL from one to the other, upon noticing an address change at the Amazon product page?<br />
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[2] Do we have any reason to prefer linking a cover image at Amazon or linking one at Open Library? If not in general, then a match with stated printing number, available via "Look inside" at Amazon or "Preview" at Open Library but not both, is one attractive criterion. Image quality is another. Most recently I chose to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545586 link m-media-amazon.com] rather than [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL28305950M/The_particular_sadness_of_lemon_cake Open Library OL28305950M] because the latter image looks "too dark" to me. (Only now I see that "Preview" reveals a 9th printing, and Amazon UK/US provide no "Look inside".) <br />
<br>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:56, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Amazon: Either works and points to the same place for EVERY image. If we discover that one of the spaces is discontinued, we can swap them programmatically but for the time being, either can be used (ebooks usually use the media one these days; paper books can use the images-na). As long as the ID at the end is the same, the two domains are identical for all intents and purposes and will always show the same image.<br />
: As for the OL/Amazon - both are stable (As long as it is an /I/ image in Amazon so use whichever looks better and is of better quality overall. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clone/Export/Import -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The "Publication Data" section of the post-submission review page for Clone/Export/Import submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Author Photo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?71; I did some Clive Barker book edits recently and, as far as I can recall, his photo was broken because it was from one of those sites that don't display HTTP images correctly after our server move (or possibly it was just a bad photo and I decided to replace it), so I substituted a color photo from FantLab of Barker in his library that's very recent judging by his appearance, which is not very pleasant these days due to all his medical problems. Today I randomly came across his page again and saw that someone replaced that with a different photo that's not only in black-and-white but very old judging by his youthful appearance, plus it has one of those long WEBP URL's Amazon was using for a while recently. Is there any way to see a history of who edits author records? I'd like to know who changed it. I'm going to re-replace it with the FantLab photo and hopefully it will stay that way this time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Author records do have Edit History information on file, but only moderators can access it. The reason is that our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy data deletion policy] lets living authors request removal of ''biographical'' (as opposed to ''bibliographic'') data from their author records. Making authors' Edit History publicly available would defeat the purpose of the policy.<br />
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: In this case the change was made by [[User:Stonecreek]] in submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527111 5527111] on 2023-01-01. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Stonecreek, you say? What a shock. Anyway, my edit is pending to change it back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::In order to prevent a continuing edit war, I've put the further edit on hold. Could [[User:Username|Username]] and [[User:Stonecreek|Christian]] as well as any other editors with an opinion on which image should be used please come to an agreement here before we further churn the author image? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:21, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: My opinion is a recent image, like the one I added from FantLab seems to be (they have 2 others which are old and B&W), is better because he doesn't look anything like he did in his heyday when he was rather handsome. However, if someone feels like they really need to see an overly bright B&W photo from decades ago on his ISFDB page, so be it. Maybe after he's dead (which may be soon judging by his appearance these days) perhaps a recent photo will be more appropriate then. I doubt I'll be around to add it, but maybe someone else will. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:34, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: There were two reasons for me to change the image: the first is the more handsome look (I do think that we should aim to have no images that would possibly intimidate an author or his/her readers), the second that Amazon seems to be more stable & is somewhat more official. I could live with the other image but do fear that it would lead towards users escaping Barker's summary page as fast as one could. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:48, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Pending edit's been sitting in my list for a long time so I just cancelled it. I did, however, make another edit today (pending) replacing the ancient Ramsey Campbell B&W photo on ISFDB with a recent color one on Amazon of him in all his chubby glory, so one Brit horror writer falls, another rises. It's hard to say who looks more unhealthy these days, Barker or Campbell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:39, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Australasian Horror ==<br />
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https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ahwa-competition-past-winners/; I was doing some edits for the first issue of Hub Magazine and 1 of the stories by Liam Rands was an honorable mention for this award (he won for another story the next year); there was discussion here recently about awards so this may be something someone would want to enter. Awards are still going as of 2022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:39, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Interesting. It looks like the Australasian Horror Writers Association has two separate/parallel projects:<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/australian-shadows-awards/award-entry-rules/ The Australian Shadows Award] with the usual menagerie of categories like "short story", "novel", "novellete/novella", "collection", etc.<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition], which has two categories for ''unpublished'' horror stories:<br />
:** ''Flash Fiction'': Stories up to 1000 words in length<br />
:** ''Short Story'': Stories from 1001 to 7500 words.<br />
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: We already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?68 the Australian Shadows Award listed], but we don't cover "The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition" at this time. One thing to note is that the latter is a true "competition" in the tradition of pulp magazines. To quote their [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ rules page]:<br />
:* The winner in each category will receive an engraved plaque and the winning stories will appear in Midnight Echo, and receive the pay rate commensurate with that edition.<br />
: Runner-ups presumably benefit by being able to claim that their stories were "runner-ups" when they try to sell them to other markets.<br />
: This is a bit unusual, but we do have precedent for including awards given to unpublished texts -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?57 Prix Jean Ray], which is given to "Best unpublished fantasy text by a Belgian writer".<br />
: Thoughts? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:59, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'd support adding it. Some of the more prestigious Japanese SF awards are contests where the winner(s) get publishing contracts (as do some of the runners up, often). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:11, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: If there is no objection, I will create a new Award Type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:59, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: A new award type and two award categories [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?101 have been created]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: Jusges?--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Fixed, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:51, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nick Fox/Bantock Cover ==<br />
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https://books.google.com/books?id=GDPwBhpEtAIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=shadrach&f=false; Nick Bantock's art book The Artful Dodger includes a Silverberg cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1139072, which is credited to a studio (and back cover seen online does credit it to that studio) but he says he did it under his Nick Fox name. So what to do? Also, Google Books copy seems to be a 2nd printing of the Chronicle Books edition on ISFDB and there's a Canadian edition from Raincoast on Archive.org which isn't on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Inter-author collections of speculative drama ==<br />
Good afternoon, everyone. Are there inter-author collections (Anthology, Almanac) of speculative drama? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 02:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30649 "Six Science Fiction Plays"] anthology, edited by Roger Elwood, Washington Square Press, 1976, ISBN 0-671-48766-3. <br />
:* [http://borealispress.com/BookDetail/rid/913/New%20Canadian%20Drama%20Vol.%208 "New Canadian Drama Vol. 8: Speculative Drama: Roswell, Eden's Moon, Alien Bait"] edited by Scott Kesi Duchesne, Borealis Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-88887-265-4. <br />
: --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 11:01, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::* Thank you so much, are there more examples? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 13:40, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edit Pub -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The Metadata (i.e. top) section of the post-submission review page for Edit Publication submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Bloch Book Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941501; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551231; I started to enter the HC edition, mentioned in the note by the PV, using FantLab's copy but decided to check further and it's already on ISFDB; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?30351. Both HC and TP were entered many years earlier so I guess nobody checked first before approving PV submission. I've made a (pending) edit adding ID, full cover and cover design note to the HC, but there's a problem. PV did a lot of work entering the contents, which nobody did for the 2 records entered earlier, but he got the format wrong and entered it as a collection instead of non-fiction (it has both fiction and non-fiction, so who knows). So some more astute people here should decide what to do, which to keep, possible merges, etc. I'll leave a brief note on PV page about this; they're still active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I still have the TP handy if you want to point me in the right direction. Still mostly a novice at this. I appreciate this resource and like to contribute how I can. [[User:Fenrix1958|Fenrix1958]] ([[User talk:Fenrix1958|talk]]) 21:10, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for responding so quickly. I randomly came across the Bloch book you entered and thought I'd enter the HC edition you mentioned in your note since FantLab has many photos of it, but I found it hard to believe that nobody ever entered it, and after checking further I found both HC and TP editions which, judging by edit history, were entered in the very early days of public editing here. Yours was in 2015, so I'm not sure why a moderator approved it when it already existed and had the same ISBN, but the problem is that you actually did the hard work of entering the numerous contents, unlike the others, but didn't enter the month, made it a PB instead of a TP, made it a collection with Bloch as author instead of non-fiction with Matheson and Mainhardt as editors (I'm not even sure what's correct because it includes Bloch stories but also essays from many other people about Bloch, so anthology, maybe?). So I was wanting people who, unlike me, have been doing this for a very long time to chime in and suggest what should be done because your hard work shouldn't go to waste, but several different people made edits for the edition you didn't enter so it wouldn't be right to just delete that. I've been editing for just over 2 years but am rapidly losing interest due to a variety of reasons, so I won't be of much help to you, I'm afraid; I just do simple stuff these days. Someone else will respond shortly, I'm sure, and this will be resolved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:03, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::This is the most relevant section of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type|the help]]:<br />
::::''NONFICTION. This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction. This includes book-length works of non-fiction or books containing essays by one or more authors. A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant. A single work of fiction in an Isaac Asimov essay collection does not make it a COLLECTION. A book of fiction (NOVEL, COLLECTION, or ANTHOLOGY) containing a generous, but not predominate, amount of non-fiction, such as introductions, essays, and other non-fiction works, should not be typed as NONFICTION. Mixtures of fiction and non-fiction are more usually found in magazines than they are in books, so the question does not often arise.''<br />
:::I'd wait a bit to see if there are any opposing viewpoints, but it looks to me like the book is '''''predominantly''''' the Bloch stories and poem, and most of the essays are introductions to those works. However, it also has more -- and a wider range of -- essays than we would normally see as supplemental material in a typical collection. So it strikes me as a book assembling Bloch works and a lot of other material, as opposed to a book about Bloch that happens to contain some of his works. If you have the book, you can make a more informed judgement that I can. If it's primarily a book of Bloch works, I would use ANTHOLOGY as the least bad fit, with Matheson and Mainhardt as the editors. If the book is primarily about Bloch, then NONFICTION would be more appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:45, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::My edit for the HC was just approved after a long wait (I made a minor error in the note so that new edit still has to be approved), but I think I'm done and so someone should decide what to do with the 2 separate but equal paperback editions now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::HC copy just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, now I'm really done with this and so someone may want to decide what to do re: the above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:35, 31 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. R. Giles/Lamar Giles - Canonical Name ==<br />
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Our canonical name for this author is currently {{A|L. R. Giles}}, presumably because that's how his first three SF stories credited the author back in 2004-2007. However, over the last 6 years he has published 4 SF novels and 2 stories as "Lamar Giles". A 2018 reprint of a 2006 story also used "Lamar Giles".<br />
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Are there any objections to changing the canonical name to "Lamar Giles"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:41, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276372 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase - call for editors to assist ==<br />
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Hello everybody! As all webzines, including those with mainly non-genre content, are now being indexed following a policy change in October 2022 regarding the Rules of Acquisition (as per [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Webzines_inclusion:_Proposed_extension_of_ROA this discussion]), I recently started indexing speculative contributions appearing in the last two-and-a-half years of [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/index.html Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase]. This webzine began publication in 2012 and ceased on 6 May 2022. It will be taken offline permanently on or about 6 May 2023, i.e., in about three months or so. My focus on those issues published between January 2020 and May 2022 is mainly because of the addition of a speculative fiction and poetry section called 'Outta This World' from May of 2020. However, some speculative contributions continued to be published in different sections, such as 'Crumbs' (for drabbles, jokes and short-form poetry) and 'Kid Stuff' (stories and art by under-eighteens) and, prior to the establishment of the 'Outta This World' section, speculative stories and poems could be found in other sections across the site (e.g., in 'The Reading Lamp' and 'Stories'). <br />
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It will be a challenge for me to complete the period from 2020 to 2022 in the three months available but there's no way I can cover the earlier years alone (if at all). Would anyone else be interested in covering the earlier (nine) years? It's possible that after May 2023, most - if not all - of the webzine could continue to be indexed using the Internet Archive but I suspect that lacunae would occasionally be found in the latter's coverage.<br />
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It may be the case that earlier issues contained only a small amount of speculative material so this might facilitate more rapid indexing, though of course the stories, poems and essays will still need to be read to determine their eligibility.<br />
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Note that 'issues' are distributed across different sections and have been archived in different ways (e.g. under a specific section or under a particular author). The final issue appears on the current home page with items shown listed under each section. Each item appearing in the same issue will bear the issue date in brackets after the title. They can be found grouped according to month under most sections, e.g. 'The Reading Lamp' section is indexed for the period December 2013 to May 2020 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/the-reading-lamp-archives.html here] while that for 'Crumbs' is indexed for the period December 2012 to April 2022 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/crumbs-index.html here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, and the series page on ISFDB is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68935 here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:51, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rozic/Rosick ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=letter+to+roger&type=Fiction+Titles; I was adding a few links to stories from bloodrosemag.com that are on ISFDB and this dude's name is a mess. He had a story in Pulphouse which was reprinted many years later in a horror anthology under a different name; his story on Blood Rose, https://www.bloodrosemag.com/archives/sep%202001/craziedaze.html, spells his name differently at top and bottom. I did an edit (pending) making Rozic an alternate name of Rosick, but I'm not touching anything else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ongoing cleanup of post-submission pages ==<br />
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I am in the process of removing obsolete code which was previously used to display post-submission pages and was deactivated last week. I am also making minor improvements to yellow warnings as I go along, e.g. I am currently working on making the "Price" field support multiple yellow warnings. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:07, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Catalog ID- and ISBN-specific yellow warnings have been upgraded to support multiple warnings per entered value. Pre-1970 pubs with an ISBN now generate yellow warnings. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:42, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Price-specific yellow warnings for prices now support multiple warnings per entered value. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yellow warnings for image URLs now support multiple warnings per entered value. Certain odd Amazon URLs may generate more than one warning because they break more than one of our rules. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:35, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Yellow warnings about alternate and/or disambiguated names are no longer displayed for submissions which do not change them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:17, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Broken Galactic Central image links ==<br />
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Can anything be done about this? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 13:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Galactic_Central this post] for an explanation. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Rats! Thanks for the info. Is there a way I can make Google Chrome show the images, by allowing insecure images? I tried allowing both isfdb.org and philsp.com to show insecure content, but it didn't seem to do anything. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I would tell you to switch to a less arrogant browser, but I did a little research and found you can actually convince Chrome to do what you want in this case:<br />
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:::# Click on the lock icon to the left of isfdb.org in the address bar.<br />
:::# Click on <code>Site settings</code> in the drop-down menu that appears.<br />
:::# If <code>Privacy and security</code> is not already selected in the list at the left, select it.<br />
:::# You should see a list at the right with "www.isfdb.org" at the top.<br />
:::# Scroll way down through the "Permissions" and look for <code>Insecure content</code> with a danger triangle to the left and "Block (default)" to the right.<br />
:::# Click on the little down-arrow next to "Blocked (default)" and switch to "Allow".<br />
:::<br />
:::That's it. Now if you refresh (or go back to) the ISFDB page with the blocked image, you will see the image.<br />
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:::I hope that helps. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:25, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::HOORAY! It works! Thank you so much! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 20:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Biffignandi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107101; https://archive.org/details/aless-andro-biffignandi-illustration-art; https://archive.org/details/sex-and-horror-the-art-of-alessandro-biffignandi; Biff apparently did a ton of art but ISFDB, oddly, only has 2 German krimi covers and an American cover for an Anne McCaffrey book (?!?) Anyway, I have a feeling the books linked above may be of use to those who enter all those obscure foreign covers. Be warned, however; there is much, MUCH nudity, including some pretty racy stuff. I do like the cover near the end of the 2nd book, however, where a weird-looking shark is chasing a woman swimming with a BABY in her arms. Is that an Italian thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Drew S. ==<br />
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Drew Struzan is a well-known artist, today I added a link to an Archive.org copy of a novel he did the cover for, credit was to Drew Struzman, searching for that name only hit on that book, I asked PV who entered it as Struzan to check but SFJuggler doesn't always respond, so if anyone else has a copy of the 1991 Bantam Falcon edition of Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils you may want to check the copyright page. Struzan has no alternate names on ISFDB, so this may be the first. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:43, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Creative Guy From Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?23801; I did some editing for Lucy A. Snyder book, publisher is Canadian, my price fix adding the "C" is the only one, should all be "C"? There's also 1 price missing and 1 where editor entered British price for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Riley Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1468203; Is this, https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/220727_19, actually by David A. Riley, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19937? He has 2 cover art credits, both discovered by me some time ago, and I think this may be another piece of art by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== French Bardin and Dick ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22terrain-vague-pour-la-traduction%22+&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate; I added Archive.org link to Tor TP of P.K. Dick's The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike and added another link to the Paladin edition I did an edit for a long time ago, but there's another edition, a French one, and while searching for other books by the publisher I found they did an edition of Bardin's Deadly Percheron, although the French title is Big Clogs or something similar. So if anyone who regularly enters French editions wants to enter those. Oddly, there are publishers with the same name on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terrain+vague&type=Publisher, but one published LONG before these 2 books came out and the other I'm not sure about, having published only an art book and a French novel, with no translations of American books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Big O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?936; I added a D. Wheatley edition from this publisher and noticed the series, Plus, spells the publisher with a capital O. So should the publisher be spelled with a capital O, too? Also for the other series with A.C. Doyle books? Because on the Wheatley book it does look like they made the O big, since it stands for Oswald and so it makes sense that a person's initial would be capitalized. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:That seems appropriate. I found [https://archive.org/details/untramwaynommemo0000iris this scan] where the cover and title page have a stylized "NéO" logo (where it's hard to tell whether the "O" is capitalized), but title page says "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" and the copyright page says "&copy; Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO) 1981". So it seems they used the big "O". Two more scans corroborating that: [https://archive.org/details/troissaigneursde0000finn] and [https://archive.org/details/lhopitaletautres0000walt]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Based on that title page, the publisher should be "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" rather than "Néo" or "NéO". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:56, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All three of those scans have: "NéO" [in stylized form] (over) "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" on the title page. The copyrights use "Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO)". Dates are 1981, 1982, and 1986. In the 1986 book on the page facing the title page is "Voir liste des libraries NéO en fin de volume." and "Maquette: Studios Knack/NéO" (referring to the cover illustration). The 1982 book's copyright page's list of other books by the same author has a citation that uses "Nouvelles éditions Oswald/NéO". Whether it should be "NéO" or spelled out doesn't seem clear-cut to me. But if the short form is what should be used, then I think it's clear the capitalization should be "NéO", not "Néo". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Yes, the stylized "NéO" is the logo, and the name of the publisher is "Nouvelles éditions Oswald". If the publisher information is on the title page, we always go with that over anything on the copyright page or elsewhere. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:43, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Frankenstein Glut ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569772; PV is very gone, as can be seen there's a bunch of messy details I've tried to note/fix, LCCN ID on OL leads to a record which mentions a collector ed. and a paperback but there's only one edition on ISFDB, copyright page also mentions the 1977 Mews edition was shorter and substantially different and so wouldn't it be considered a separate book? Anyway, I noticed somebody made an edit for a Glut book today so they or someone may want to look at this after it's approved and see if they can do anything more with it. Donald N. will need to be made a variant of his real name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Making of ROTJ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957601; $4.25 edition has been here for years, I added $3.50 edition recently, I moved 2 ID over, $4.25 either is Canadian with higher price, later printing, whatever, but both PV are gone, so if anyone here knows what's up a C should be added to price or date should be changed to 0000, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alien Sex ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192541; Several PV, some active, nobody added Roman numerals to page count, one of the PV should do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Pwendt ==<br />
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Happy New Year (or Groundhog Day)! <br />
I nominate myself for self-approver. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. [[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. Does a good job. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:46, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' (and changing the title of the thread so it is clear what this is for :) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' -- Apologies for missing this earlier and not responding sooner. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Comment'''. I haven't worked on Pwendt's submissions lately, so I'll abstain. One issue that I encountered in the past was lack of clarity in Notes. My recommendation would be using shorter complete sentences with a subject, a predicate and an optional object. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:54, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag set on the account as per the consensus above. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:40, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disch Ruins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285521; I added links to 2 club editions recently, today a link to Arrow edition, Hutchinson edition has no price or cover artist, SFE says Chris Yates, this STAINED eBay copy has a flap photo which is blurry but a 2 seems to be the start of the price, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380896522207, so if anyone can find somewhere that shows better photos or owns a copy then price can be entered and cover artist (on back flap, I assume, although it may just be design) can be entered if warranted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:43, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Turner Diaries ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1601834; I came across a copy, uploaded to Archive.org a little over a year ago, and while making an edit remembered I had done an edit previously, which turned out to be not long before the copy was uploaded (I hate when that happens). Anyway, after my new edit is approved, there's 2 questions: name's spelled Macdonald, not MacDonald, but when changing that it still looks like MacDonald even though it's in a new column so it sees it as a change even though it doesn't look that way. Is that a quirk of ISFDB? More importantly, there's an essay by someone with the same name who I highly doubt is the same guy who wrote this notoriously violent and racist novel, and none of his 5 wives mentioned on his Wikipedia page were named Gina (I suppose it could be a relative), so I'm sure the essay writer, assuming they're still alive (it's been 40 years), would like their name moved to a separate record if they're not that other guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: When you enter or edit an author name, a publisher name, a series name or a publication series name, the ISFDB software first checks the database to see if we already have it on file. The check is not case-sensitive, so "ace books" will find "Ace Books", "george orwell" will find "George Orwell", etc. Once a matching name has been found, the software uses it instead of the form of the name that was actually entered. The process ensures that we don't end up with multiple separate records for the same author/series/publisher/etc due to capitalization mistakes during the data entry process. If we determine that the capitalization of the canonical name/series name/etc is incorrect, as is apparently the case with {{A|Andrew MacDonald}}, we can edit the main record directly.<br />
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: That said, the fact that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574438 this submission] shows "Andrew MacDonald" in the "Proposed Changes" column may be a bug. I'll take a closer look tomorrow. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:17, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I have confirmed that this problem affects both Edit Title and Edit Publication. {{Bug|826}}, "Edit Title and Edit Pub do not check for author case properly", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:23, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Coincidentally, famous artist LeRoy Neiman has all 4 of his credits on ISFDB as Leroy. Fixing the first one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575086, I subbed R but pending edit says r. So I assume it takes a while for your bug fix to start working? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:54, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{Bug|826}} is just a document describing the reported bug and how to recreate it. I am currently working on a software patch which should fix the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:39, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Red Skelton Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575145; I asked about this last July 4 on this board, MartyD agreed with adding the "e", neither of us ever fixed it, I came across this randomly today and am finally fixing it. I trust nobody has any objection? PV is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Price Of Three Women ==<br />
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This is a bit complicated. A stray mention of Anne McCaffrey on this site spurred me to see if I could enter anything interesting by her, skipping over her endless Pern books, and I decided to start with her non-genre works. That was a mistake. She published 3 gothic novels in the 70's which were collected by Tor as Three Women and published in either Dec. 1991 or Jan. 1992. So searching ISBN on OL found a record with no book but it did find a copy on Archive.org; searching for their URL, threewomen00mcca, on OL found a record with a link to the copy, so why ISBN doesn't is unknown because it's there on the page. Anyway, the copy is ancient, having been uploaded in 2010, but is missing the copyright page. Noticing the price was higher I created a new record with an "unknown" date and a note about it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575697. The problem is that I can't find a single photo online of a cover with the $4.99 price on it; I suspect there is none and the real original price was $5.99. Locus has much incorrect info, and searching ISBN in contents found these, https://archive.org/search?query=0-812-50587-5&sin=TXT; ignoring the 4 unrelated books, that Brown/Contento book is Locus with the same info found on their site, but that YA guide says $5.99. I find it very strange that multiple copies with extensive photos can't be found since most of her books were big sellers with large print runs and many were reprinted. I was going to cancel my edit and just add the copy link and the page numbers to the existing record, but decided not to because there's still a slim possibility it was originally $4.99. So check your shelves or the dark corners of the web, readers, and let me know if you can find a copy with that price. EDIT: My edit was rejected for some reason over my head so if anyone else wants to enter it, go ahead. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you were confused as to why it was rejected, you could have asked. I rejected it because it was creating an new OMNIBUS record without any content. Nor was there a moderator note stating that you intended to add the content in a subsequent edit. There are three ways you could have added this publication record. You could use the add publication tool, and manually add the contained novels in one edit. Then you would need to merge each novel separately. You could also use the add publication and in a subsequent edit import the three novel titles. If this was your intent, it's a good idea to note this in the Moderator notes, so that we'll know that you intend to finish the edit. However, the most efficient way to add this publication is with the Clone this Pub tool. That way, all the contained novels will automatically be copied and it will all be accomplished in a single edit rather than 2 or 4 edits. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stockholders in Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3560; Archive.org copy of #7 since 2010 that nobody ever entered here so I just did in a (pending) edit, but publisher is Warner PL; several entries omit the Warner on ISFDB, so should all of them, including this one, be made Warner PL, too? Did PL, no Warner, publish any of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author name validation enhancements ==<br />
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The way the ISFDB software handles author names in Edit Title, New Pub, Add Pub, Clone Pub, and Edit Pub has been enhanced. The following scenarios are now processed correctly:<br />
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* The same author name is entered using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" is changed to "david weber"<br />
* The order of co-author, co-artist, co-interviewee, co-interviewer, co-reviewer or co-reviewee names is changed<br />
* The same author name is entered two or more times (for the same title) using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" and then again "david weber"<br />
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In all of these cases the software now ignores the submitted "change".<br />
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Hopefully every permutation has been addressed/fixed. If you come across anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great SF About Doctors ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22Great+science+fiction+about+doctors%22; I added a link to original edition, fourth printing is on ISFDB with correct date but wrong printing and date in note, I added a link and fixed the note, cover artist is Don Ivan just like the fifth printing, so there's a lot of confusion, especially since the 2nd printing has no PV and nobody's entered the 3rd. So maybe someone can look into that and unmerge/un-variant; I have a feeling all the editions with that cover have Don Ivan on the back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== C. Alexander London canonical name ==<br />
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Are there any objections to swapping the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231877 here] to Alex London. The longer name had not been used for a long time and all new books use the shorter name. SFE also has the record under Alex London. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's a slightly unusual case in that his first series appeared as by "Alex London", the second one came out as by "C. Alexander London" and the last two went back to "Alex London". Be that as it may, "Alex London" is currently leading 8:3, so I think it should be the canonical name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series with non-fiction and short-fiction only ==<br />
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When a series has only non-fiction and short-fiction in it, it shows up in an author list as a "Nonfiction Series" (As the only container title is non-fiction, it kinda makes sense). However, it is factually wrong and we are a fiction DB after all. As novellas/novelettes are popular (both as "juvenile novels under 40K" and as self-published or e-only non-juveniles), this is happening more and more often. As soon as a collection of more than one of the stories show up, the collection title bumps the series into the Fiction category. But in the meantime, it lags under Non-fiction.<br />
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Any chance to have these shown up in the Fiction series list? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37710 this series]. See where it shows on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112144 author page]. Thanks! <br />
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PS: Another related case is a series with only short-fiction. Now these show all the way at the bottom, with the short fiction until they get a collection and then they sail up under Fiction series. Maybe we can solve both usecases together and just treat short fiction entries as the fiction containers and just list all fiction series under the normal series heading. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am looking at the code that drives the Summary Bibliography page and here is what I am seeing.<br />
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: First, the software organizes all titles by series. Then it builds "series hierarchies" so that embedded series appear under the top series -- note how "Star Wars: The Clone Wars (animated)" appears under "Star Wars: Clone Wars", which appears under "Star Wars Universe" on {{A|Tracey West}}'s page. Then it checks the title type of each parent title in each "series hierarchy" to determine which section of the Summary page the hierarchy belongs under. The current logic is as follows:<br />
:* If a "series hierarchy" contains at least one NOVEL, COLLECTION, or SERIAL title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
:* OTHERWISE:<br />
:** If it contains at least one ANTHOLOGY title, it is displayed in the "Anthology Series" section.<br />
:** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*** If it contains at least one NONFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section.<br />
:*** OTHERWISE:<br />
:**** If it contains at least one OMNIBUS title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section. (This check is performed after the ANTHOLOGY and NONFICTION checks so that OMNIBUSES with only ANTHOLOGY/NONFICTION titles would appear in their respective Anthology/Nonfiction series sections.)<br />
:**** OTHERWISE:<br />
:***** If it contains at least one SHORTFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Short Fiction Series" section.<br />
:***** OTHERWISE:<br />
:****** If it contains at least one POEM title, it is displayed in the "Poem Series" section.<br />
:****** OTHERWISE:<br />
:******* If it contains at least one ESSAY title, it is displayed in the "Essay Series" section.<br />
:******* OTHERWISE:<br />
:******** If it contains at least one COVERART title, it is displayed in the "Cover Art Series" section.<br />
:******** OTHERWISE:<br />
:********* If it contains at least one INTERIORART title, it is displayed in the "Interior Art Series" section.<br />
:********* OTHERWISE:<br />
:********** If it contains at least one REVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Review Series" section.<br />
:********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*********** If it contains at least one INTERVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Interview Series" section.<br />
:*********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:************ If it contains at least one title of some other type, it is displayed in the "Other Series" section. (This should never happen because CHAPBOOKs cannot be added to series.)<br />
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: Once all eligible titles have been placed into series, the displayed order of sections is as follows:<br />
:* Fiction Series<br />
:* Standalone novels<br />
:* Standalone collections<br />
:* Standalone omnibuses<br />
:* Standalone serials (should never happen because SERIAL titles are supposed to be turned into variants)<br />
:* EDITOR series<br />
:* Anthology Series<br />
:* Standalone anthologies<br />
:* Standalone chapbooks<br />
:* Nonfiction series<br />
:* Standalone nonfiction<br />
:* Short Fiction series<br />
:* Standalone short fiction<br />
:* Poem series<br />
:* Standalone poems<br />
:* Cover art series<br />
:* Standalone cover art<br />
:* Interior art series<br />
:* Standalone interior art<br />
:* Review series<br />
:* Standalone reviews<br />
:* Interview series<br />
:* Standalone interviews<br />
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: If we decide that we want to fold the "Short Fiction Series" section into the "Fiction Series" section, it would be easy to add "SHORTFICTION" to the list of title types which trigger placement in the "Fiction Series" series, then delete the "Short Fiction Series" section. It would also take care of the NONFICTION issue since series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION titles would appear in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
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: As to whether combining "Fiction Series" and "Shortfiction" would be a desirable change, I'll have to think about it. Annie's example is a good argument in favor of making the change, but then non-series short fiction, which appears below magazines, anthologies, chapbooks and non-fiction, would be treated differently than the other title types which drive inclusion in the "Fiction Series" section. I guess we could move the "[standalone] Short Fiction" section up the page, but then it would be above book-length works like magazines and anthologies. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::What a blast from the past! I remember working on that code.... The organizational thought behind that evaluation chain was that "books" should be the primary driver of the series type. But perhaps that's a mistake when it comes to NONFICTION. It seems reasonable to suppose there might be a NONFICTION work about any series of works, and if we want to put that NONFICTION work into the series, it shouldn't affect the series type, whatever that may be. So maybe it would be best to move NONFICTION to the bottom of the chain. just before the "Other Series" catch-all. Then Nonfiction Series would only contain NONFICTION. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Currently, a series with a mix of NONFICTION, ESSAY, COVERART, INTERIORART, REVIEW and INTERVIEW titles is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section. Would you say that it should be displayed in the "Essay Series" section instead? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:24, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The one gotcha I see with that is a nonfiction series that happens to contain an OMNIBUS as well (do we allow that?); we wouldn't want that to end up in Fiction Series. So that evaluation might need a tweak of some sort. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The official [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub rule is]: "A publication may be classified as an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION." So technically - yes, an omnibus can contain 3 NONFICTION items. In practice it is rare but it happens. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{A|H. P. Lovecraft}}'s [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309615 ''Collected Essays: Complete''], which collects HPL's essays originally published as 5 NONFICTION volumes, would be one example. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe the easiest way will be in the omnibus line to have a secondary check if there is at least one SHORTFICTION or POEM title - everything else on the fiction side is before the Omnibus so we will only reach that case when there are no novels and collections/anthologies. <br />
::: I won't insist on moving short fiction series higher but... I still think that having fiction series in two different places on the screen is confusing, especially for authors who write on the border between novella and novel and that end up with their series split in weird ways. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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I have changed the software to display series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION/POEM titles in the "Fiction Series" section. We may want to start another discussion about merging the two "Fiction Series" sections. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Embedded HTML is now displayed correctly ==<br />
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After close to a hundred patches over the course of many months, embedded HTML is now displayed correctly on all ISFDB pages. If you come across any irregularities or bugs, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What does embedded HTML mean? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Consider [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2145123 this record] whose title is "<sarcasm>Adventures in Gaming</sarcasm>". It could just as easily be "<nowiki><b>Adventures in Gaming</b></nowiki>". Angle brackets like "<" and ">" are the building blocks of HTML tags, so browsers interpret them as HTML commands to use bold, italics, underlining, etc. Or, in the case of "<sarcasm>" just stand around looking very confused :-) That's what "embedded HTML" is.<br />
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:: In order to prevent browser confusion, the ISFDB software needs to do something special to tell the browser that these particular angle brackets should be simply displayed "as is" instead of being interpreted as HTML commands. It took me a while to get everything updated, but I think I am finally done. I think I'll go have a tankard of non-alcoholic Klingon ale to celebrate :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::<clanks tankard/> For the Empire! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:29, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MV of SK ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5579477; It says 19.95 on back, librarian typed 21.95 on first page like ISFDB says, Locusmag says 19.95 but also says 1989 is the date yet they didn't see it until Aug. '90 for some reason, after this is approved someone more hip to these tangled Starmont/Borgo things may know more about if this is a 2nd printing, if they suddenly decided to raise the price before the 1st printing, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== HELP! A Bear Is Eating Me! ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL9881165A/Mykle_Hansen; English edition just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, but French version uploaded back in 2021 in case anyone wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFE Clute ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5581010; Why is this happening now? Did they change again? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This is the first "clute_uk" URL that I have seen. I am going to ask the SFE administrator whether it's a typo or a new part of their URL structure. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:31, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It turns out that "clute_uk" is a new publicly "linkable" subdirectory. I have updated the software to recognize it as legitimate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:48, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bradbury's Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?38262; Search on Archive.org only brings up 1 copy but as can be seen at the OL link, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5981610M/Twice_twenty-two, there's 1 of those weird "preview" copies; it doesn't really have the cover art like the thumbnail shows, just red cloth binding like the other copy, but it's a different copy. So if anybody knows which edition they belong in, if it's one of those later ones mentioned in the ISFDB notes, etc., then link(s) can be added; note also that OL mentions a 1994 Buccaneer edition. Also, Mugnaini's cover art was missing the month and his frontispiece was only included and dated based on the book club edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=twice+twenty&type=All+Titles, so I've fixed all that in (pending) edits; note also the last entry with a month that matches neither edition and is from a Virgil Finlay book. What's that about? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tainaron ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1440471; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=13630&recCount=25&recPointer=3&bibId=3359893; The original Finnish edition is not on ISFDB but it is on the Library of Congress site in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. I just added an Archive.org link to the Prime Books edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Grindhouse ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/grindhousethesle0000unse; Would the inclusion of the entire screenplay for Planet Terror qualify this for entry here? I've been wanting to find something with Tarantino's name on it so I can add his bio and find the most unflattering photo of him possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Richard Morris ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147497; Interview is with this guy, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0606889/, not the guy from the 1800's, but does that interview about a movie really belong here? If it does, some addition to interviewee's name is needed to differ him from the dead guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:50, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'll differentiate the name: thanks for finding this. The interview does belong here because it was published in a genre magazine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:36, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whimper of Whipped Dogs ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=whipped+dogs&type=All+Titles; Today is the anniversary of 911 calls here in America, starting in 1968 and prompted by the murder of Kitty Genovese a few years earlier which was the inspiration for this story by Harlan Ellison. I was looking for an online PDF and found this, https://xpressenglish.com/whipped-dogs/. I'm going to add the link but I'm curious where that drawing came from. Anyone recognize it? also, at the link above, the 2 essays seem like the same thing but there's no variant. Are they the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:24, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lester Dent Bibliography ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lester+dent+bibliography&type=All+Titles; https://archive.org/details/lester_dent_bibliography; 1996 date doesn't match either version on ISFDB and it seems to have been published as an e-book or something. Lots of Doc Savage work done recently here so maybe somebody wants to enter this or at least knows where it originally came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Squires Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?834417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?173963; I added an Archive.org link to the Leisure edition by Knight and checked his real name and found that he originally published What Rough Beast under that name. What's the variant rules here? Who's the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:45, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Where it's only one title under each name, it doesn't matter much. But I found an archived copy of his website http://www.harrysquires.com/ in the Wayback Machine, and in a 2012 version there is: "Now writing horror as H.R. Knight, Harry...". So it seems he deliberately changed his horror-writing identity from Squires to Knight. So I'd make Knight the canonical (which also works well because the publications under that name are more recent and more plentiful). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:01, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Post-submission display of Contents sections improved ==<br />
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The way Contents sections are displayed on post-submission pages is in the process of being changed. At this point NewPub and AddPub submissions have been upgraded. Their Contents sections now properly display multiple yellow warnings when warranted. They also indicate which submitted author name is new, which one is an alternate name or which one is a disambiguated name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Filaria ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258490; A copy was uploaded a few months ago on Archive.org; it revealed that the page count and the price here were wrong, I fixed those and added the link, but the review at Strange Horizons calls this the first book from Chizine and says 2008, as do all copyrights in the book itself. Why it has a late 2009 date here I don't know, and I also don't know why there's such a big gap between the first Chizine book here, January 2009, and the rest of their 2009 books. So real date is needed for this book and probably others from this publisher. Also, while researching this I saw an expired eBay sale for a 100-copy HC, which I believe Chizine did for many of their books, often including extra material, but very few seem to have been entered here, so there's that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Earthman, Come Home ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229485; I noticed a M. Ayme Mayflower edition said Dell on cover and Google Books had it with Mayflower-Dell on copyright page so I fixed that but this isn't on Google. It says Dell on cover, both PV haven't been around for years, but knowing these old paperbacks I hesitate to fix it without someone seeing a copyright page. So if anyone owns this edition can you check and see what it says inside the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:17, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Come Softly, Come Sweetly... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362038; I added info to the only issue of D. Sutton's British Shadow fanzine, from 1971, that's on ISFDB and Eddy C. Bertin has a story, "Come Softly, Come Sweetly", in it which isn't on ISFDB but his 1971 Dutch collection, linked above, has a title which translates to the English title, just with added words, so any Dutch people who are familiar with his extensive bibliography will probably know which came first and can variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:36, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?325553; Does that seem right? It should be other people named Mark Williams, shouldn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Two things: (1) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is matched up with forms of "Mark" is a bug. I would bet the issue is the "(". The ambiguity matching logic probably isn't paying attention to whether the parenthesized expression is at the end or is embedded in the middle. (2) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is not matched up with forms of "Mark Williams" is a limitation/feature of the current matching, which doesn't consider names containing middle names (or initials, etc.) to be ambiguous vis-a-vis the same combination of first and last name without any middle name. I don't think we'd want "Mark XYZ Williams" to be shown as ambiguous with "Mark Williams", but I guess I could see showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams". You'd have to lobby Ahasuerus on that one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:41, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|827}}, "'Same name' logic fails for records with embedded parentheses", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: It should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting the problem.<br />
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::: Re: ''showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams"'', that's a whole different can of worms. If you do a name search on "John%Smith", you'll get a list of a dozen names, including:<br />
:::* John Claude Smith<br />
:::* John D. Smith<br />
:::* John Hirschhorn-Smith<br />
:::* John Smith<br />
::: First we'd have to decide which ones are considered ambiguous. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:04, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Created By Matheson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8191; The advance reading copy, https://archive.org/details/createdby00math, says 352 pages on the first page, it's actually 344, ISFDB says 324. Anyone own a copy who can verify what the actual page count is? There are also Roman numerals at the front; no editions here have them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brutarian ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=brutarian&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Heads up that someone, after uploading 3 random issues years ago, started uploading more issues recently. This was not strictly a genre magazine but included some genre fiction/non-fiction, especially in later issues, some of it by big names. ISFDB only has a few late issues entered; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=brutarian&type=Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing issues on the newsstand at some store in New York City back in the 1990's or maybe a bit later, so it got some distribution, I guess. I got an R. Crumb vibe from it, though, probably due to the type of cover art they used, and didn't really peruse it. Crumb's art always made me nervous for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bonus fiction in novels ==<br />
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Why is a 'bonus' short fiction title allowed in a novel, but a serial installment is specifically excluded? There are a number of publications, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714319 example 1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714583 example 2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714262 example 3], where we're forced to misclassify what is clearly a serial installment. I don't see a downside to lifting the exclusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Because allowing SERIALs in books at all is a relatively new development. It used to be magazines and fanzines only. Then we allowed chapbooks. I think we should allow it in anthologies, novels and collections as well - especially because Magazines reprints are added as anthologies/collections AND because in our digital world, serials are used as bonus almost anywhere. Post over on R&S and we can hash it out and change the rules for serials. One thing to make sure we clearly separate - excerpts vs serials (it is intent that separates them essentially) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moonchasers TP ==<br />
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I've done a lot of Ed Gorman edits recently and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334, is a problem because the HC is & on the title page but no photos of the TP title page can be found. Does anyone own the TP? I've got a half-dozen edits on hold because mod won't change unless I show that it's & in the TP title, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sword & Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33789; Some weeks-old edit of mine was finally approved, fixing an artist's name in one of these issues, but now that I look at the series page something's not right. Why do only the last 2 issues have a comma after the issue #? Also, is the # really supposed to be in any of them instead of in the notes? Isn't that magazine policy there? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The title records reflected the individual publication titles since they hadn't been 'rolled up' by year. I took care of that.<br />
: Regarding the comma:<br />
:* The placement of the comma, in a periodical title, controls what is displayed in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?33789 issue grid]. Basically, everything after the first comma appears in the grid except the year as long as it matches the date field. If the year differs, it will also be displayed. Notice how the issue number doesn't appear in the two titles you question.<br />
:* Yes, current policy is to show the issue number in the publication notes. 21:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Flashing Swords! Help ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8495; I've just added Archive.org links in (pending) edits to #1 (2 Doubleday), #2 (Mayflower), #3 (2 Dell), #4 (2 1977 Doubleday), and #5 (Doubleday). Now there are some issues. Some people unnecessarily entered the series title in the book title, others didn't; some people entered Roman numerals in the page count, others didn't; some people entered the book title as it appears on the title page, others didn't. Also, #3 doesn't have the Doubleday book club edition entered; #'s 1, 2, and 4 have the book club dates as earlier than the Dell PB dates but #5 has both as the same date, so it's possible that the story dates for #3 are wrong because the book club edition was probably published earlier. There are many PV for all volumes so if any of them would like to add/fix anything it would help. EDIT: The only thing I fixed was importing Carter's essay in #1, "A Last Word", to the Doubleday edition; it was only entered here in the Dell edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Backward(s) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?93690; I just stumbled across a copy of Mitchell's Crystal Man which was uploaded in June of 2022 so I added a link and the missing page numbers to the many stories included in that book, but I noticed 1 story, "The Clock That Went Backwards", is actually "Backward". According to ISFDB the only instances of the singular title are the original, uncredited appearance in a newspaper and reprints in various books starting in 2013. So when my edit is approved that story needs merging with the singular or removing/adding the singular or whatever needs doing; the question now is if it really was the plural in the many books it appeared in between the above collection in 1973 and 2013. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, Pwendt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Secret Asia's Blackest Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855765; Something in the recent edits accidentally led me to this and some of those titles are already on ISFDB, specifically the Webb which was published in 2014 as "U-PAO. The Black Sutra", the Blackmore which is in 3 separate books on ISFDB starting in 2007, not 2009, and the Carter/Cornford story which is under the same title in 3 merged publications but its appearance in this book wasn't merged even though the editor did at least date it correctly as 1997. Person who entered it hasn't responded to anything for a long time so if anyone owns a copy a lot of re-dating/re-titling/merging is probably in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Borgo Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5592414; One of those annoying situations where they include both editions but don't specify which it is. Was it Borgo's style to print the correct barcode in red as it appears on the back cover in the Archive.org copy or is that totally unrelated and somebody just felt like coloring it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== O.J.'s Nightmare ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1706087; Willem and Bob PV separate editions, pretty sure it should be David, also could be related to other artists named Bowers, first name starts with D, here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Maelstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593175; A challenge to anyone who can find a bigger cover image and replace mine. This anthology has been on ISFDB for years and there are a few online mentions of it including Locus where the contents came from but, as can be seen in the notes, it seems to have either been barely published or not at all. While on an archived author's site I was trying to get info from there was an image in her bibliography of this book so I uploaded the .jpg, but it was very tiny and after blowing it up as big as allowable here the author names are illegible. The title and cover art still come through nicely, though. Maybe someone here actually owns a copy (HA!)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Further Adventures of Batman Printing Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34733; https://archive.org/details/furtheradventure00gree; There's a bit of confusion here. The original printing was July, PV Vasha77 did the 2nd printing but made an error by entering the month based on an ad on the last page which says 10/87 when the book was obviously published in '89, Archive copy above is a 3rd printing not on ISFDB with that same ad but 2 pages before it is an ad for G.R.R. Martin's Wild Cards with 7/89 on it. So since PV is gone and it was transient anyway I suggest we change month of 2nd to July also and then enter the 3rd with that month, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Goldstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25621; My edit making R. Goldstrom an alternate of Robert was just approved but I see there's 2 separate credits for Skeleton-in-Waiting. I think they need merging or something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Merged, as you correctly pointed out. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:05, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Davis Grubb Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5783; I've done a few edits for his rare 1978 collection Siege of 318 and recently stumbled on the fact that the title story was a retitled reprint of "Cry Havoc", which is why both have a 1976 date here. I've made a variant but I am suspicious that "The Idiots" from the 1976 horror anthology Frights and "The Idiot" are the same, too. Does anyone own a copy who can compare the 2 stories? Frights has an Archive.org link so story is readable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Content sections of Clone/Import/Export upgraded ==<br />
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The Content sections of Clone/Import/Export Publication post-submission pages have been upgraded. Rows can now display multiple yellow warnings per row. Yellow warnings are now more specific, telling you which authors they refer to. Auto-merge rows no longer warn you about disambiguated/alternate author/artist names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Changing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36975; I added LCCN ID and noticed 244 pages which is a lot different than 320. No online copies I can see so if anyone owns this can you check page count and fix if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Derek Neville ==<br />
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https://kylerader.net/2014/12/30/ghost-box-a-discussion-with-author-derek-neville/; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161858; I suspected the short story was not by the old Neville; there's a guy with the same name who self-published Ghost Box, which isn't on ISFDB but should be, but the only mentions of that name and the short story's title are our site and this, https://kristipetersenschoonover.com/2015/01/12/shitty-almonds-now-available-in-bugs-teaser-toc-here/. So story author should probably get a (I) after their name or something to differ them but unsure whether the same Neville wrote Ghost Box, although it seems likely. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?359885 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:57, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Needs space after 1st period of artist to make it the same as artist already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looks like that was handled as I can't see what you mean. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:41, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Scifibones fixed it today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1995 SPGA Showcase ==<br />
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http://www.locusmag.com/index/t742.htm#A37177; The Goldman story has the right original date on ISFDB but no mention of where it came from so I entered the info that it originally came from this anthology; the Everson story has the wrong date (2007), a different title ("Warming the Women"), and no mention of where it came from, so I added where it came from but didn't change date or title because it may have the same title in the anthology and should be merged or it really is different in which case it would be a variant; the Jacob story already has a note here about where it first came from. The Danley work being a story is suspicious because all his works (as Robert C. Danley) on ISFDB are poems; it's also weird that Locus listed all the poems after the stories instead of listing everything in order. So on the very slim chance that anyone owns the anthology some fixes would probably be needed after entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938058 that anthology here]. If it turns out the Danley work is actually a poem, we can easily change it. In the meantime, it's listed now. I also varianted the Everson story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:37, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Phantom Fango Edit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5595657; I'm confused about something. I haven't looked at any Fangoria issues for a long time, while doing Drake Douglas edits I noticed he had 1 review for a book by himself, I knew he probably wouldn't review his own book and found it was just an entry mistake and it was actually Stanley Wiater, who did the other reviews in that issue; I asked PV about it and they responded but didn't indicate they were going to fix it themselves, but now I see that it was changed to the correct reviewer but I don't see where that was done by anyone in the review record or issue record. Am I missing something? I assume I can just cancel my edit now, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Look at the last edit to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?841501 publication] containing the review. Yes, go ahead and cancel your submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:11, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Anthony Izzo Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597760; I'm not sure what's going on here. I thought this novel was not on ISFDB because the title was not in the author's record but after entering a new record the ISBN is a duplicate of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99881. Izzo mentions the title change here, https://www.anthonyizzo.com/post/author-anthony-izzo-s-latest-thriller-novel. So the existing record seems to have been entered from pre-release info on Amazon, maybe, before the title was changed. So what's to be done? Delete Unforgiven? It has a "P" cover image, wrong format, old ISBN-10 instead of ISBN-13 for a 2007 book, etc. (also see my note in Evil Harvest about confusion with ISBN-13, too). Or leave it and make the 2 titles alternates? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:06, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Evil Harvest edit was just approved; still awaiting reply on what should be done here. Anyone? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Beehive Book Award ==<br />
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The [http://www.claubeehive.org/about-the-beehive-book-awards.html Beehive Book Award] given out by the Children's Literature Association of Utah in the following categories:<br />
*Children's Fiction (chapter books)<br />
*Picture Books<br />
*Informational Books<br />
*Poetry<br />
*Graphic Novels<br />
*Young Adult Fiction<br />
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The books nominated and awarded are not limited to those by Utahns, though. It's voted on by children in the state of Utah from a list of nominees submitted by volunteers. It covers more than just speculative fiction works, but there are quite a few speculative fiction authors whose works have been nominated and/or won over the years. See the lists [http://www.claubeehive.org/past-winners--nominees.html here]. I'll be happy to populate the award if it's added. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see all the usual suspects: Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander, Jane Yolen, Ursula Vernon, Brandon Mull, etc. Looks legitimate to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?102 Done.] Sorry, I forgot all about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Arrow Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282; In tribute to Christopher Fowler, who just died, I started to add as much info as I could to his books and almost immediately ran into trouble. I added an Archive.org link to the original Ballantine edition but there's also an Arrow edition; however, there's 2 records here with one being entered in the very early days of this site and PV by a long-gone person while the other is much more fleshed out but not PV. Which should be kept and given the link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:They look like they are probably duplicates of each other. Anyone else have any different thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The "September 1989" pub was verified against the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b177.htm#A2341 Locus Index], which says:<br />
::* Roofworld (Legend 0-09-962340-4, Sep ’89 [Aug ’89], £3.99, 396pp, pb) Reprint (Ballantine/Legend 1988) sf novel.<br />
:: It would appear that "September 1989" comes from Locus. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== What The F ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fer+ward&type=Name; Unusual situation here where one would assume the second name is wrong but that's actually her name; the first name only has 1 credit and searching Amazon Look Inside it does say Jennifer on contents page but typing Jenniffer gets 1 hit, so possibly it's spelled correctly at the head of the story in case anyone who has an Amazon account can verify and fix/variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553261 ''Dreamless''], it's "Jenniffer Wardell" on the cover, on the copyright page and on the title page. The "Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data" section says that she was born in 1981. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::A full view on Amazon inside the book in which her name was entered here as Jennifer is needed because her real name per online info is Jenniffer and while contents page of that book says Jennifer a search inside gets a hit for Jenniffer, so I don't want a false variant name created (there's already way too many of those here) if it really should just have an "f" added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Searching the Amazon Look Inside for {{P|577626|100 Worlds}} shows that the "Object Lesson" title page uses "Jennifer Wardell". The "About the Author" does list her as "Jenniffer", but we enter per the title page. I have created an alternate name and varianted the story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baen vs. Baen Books ==<br />
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We have separate publisher listings for Baen and Baen Books. The top of both these records has "Do NOT merge this with [other version], there are two completely different timeframes and three different logos". However,<br />
*{{Pubr|38|Baen}} has books from 1984 - 2023<br />
*{{Pubr|55837|Baen Books}} has books from 1985 - 1992, 1995 - 1996, 2004 - 2006, 2022 - 2023<br />
So we are not separating them out as per the note. I don't see the need to have separate versions as we already normalize minor changes in publisher names and that information can easily be handled in a note. However, if we are going to have separate versions, then the time ranges should be added to the notes and the relevant books updated appropriately. The editor who added the note is no longer active so cannot ask them about it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:22, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: I would draw a parallel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?37 Ace Books], with multiple addresses and ownership detailed in a separate ISFDB [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publisher:Ace wiki page]. I also see no reason beyond whether they care credited differently in the books (Baen vs. Baen Books) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:00, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: A couple of thoughts. First, spot-checking some recently published Baen books, I see that they apparently use "Baen Books" and "Baen" interchangeable. For example, the copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929303 ''Dead Man Walking''], which was published on 2023-02-07, says:<br />
::* A Baen Book<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* First Baen Printing<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: The copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?931957 ''What Price Victory?''], which was published on the same day, says:<br />
::* A Baen Books Original<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: Note the use of "A Baen Book" in the first case and "A Baen Books Original" in the second case. The lack of the word "Original" in ''Dead Man Walking'' is due to the fact that it's a US reprint of a UK book, but otherwise "Baen" and "Baen Books" are used interchangeably.<br />
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:: Second, in an ideal world, we would capture two separate values: "publisher name as stated in the publication" and "canonical name of the publisher"; it would be similar to the way we treat variant titles and canonical names. Since we don't have this functionality implemented, I think it would be best to merge the two publisher records. Updating Notes would be nice, but, given the mixed use of the two names (as seen above), it may be more hassle that it's worth. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:43, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::What does it state on the title page, though? We generally go with that over what it states on the copyright page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:31, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Unfortunately, Amazon.com's Look Inside tends to use e-books' data for paper editions and e-books don't always have clearly defined title pages. I have many older Baen books in my paper collection, but nothing recent, so I can't check. For what it's worth, Look Inside shows that the two pubs linked above do not mentions the publisher in the "title page" sections. The sections immediately below them say "BAEN BOOKS by [author name]: [list of titles]", but that doesn't clarify things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:13, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::All of the recent ones I have just have the Baen logo at the bottom of the title page, so I'd go with "Baen". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions tweaked ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions have been adjusted to display more information about the title record that the new publication will be merged with. The "auto-merge" line now displays the same title information, including variant/translation data, that is displayed in the Contents sections of Publication pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dash or 00 ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Dark_Carnival_Date; Re: this discussion, do any experts here know of a way to automatically change all LCCN entered on this site, pre-whatever the date was when they changed from using a dash to zeros, from zeros to dash? I just enter them as they are on their site but, even though it makes no real difference because links lead to the records whether they have dashes or zeros, it would be better, I suppose, to have them as they appear in the books. Now all this is assuming that all pre-change LCCN had dashes and all post-change LCCN have zeroes, which I'm sure isn't true, but anyway I thought I'd ask. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vuk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kostic&type=Name; Vuk Kostic and Vukkostic are the same, I assume, 1 says Serbian and the other English, in case anyone wants to decide which should be the parent and which the variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Day Khrus(h)chev Panicked ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1618562; Did some edits a long time ago, came across it again today and added cover images and LCCN ID to both HC, Brits spelled name in title without a middle H, Yanks with a middle H. I fixed that for Cassell (title page seen on Cracabond Books, a site I don't think I've ever heard of before), Random House title page on Google confirms the middle H, Macfadden in Google Images confirms the middle H, if Digit title page can be seen then we'll know all and main title can be changed and American editions' title can be a variant (there's also a UK Ensign edition on AbeBooks without the middle H on the cover, so I think it's safe to say American H, British no H). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; I added a bunch of Kenneth Bulmer edits yesterday, and this, the last one, was just adding an Archive.org link, but then I noticed the month doesn't match the one in the note. I asked RTrace since I saw his name at the top of the edit history but he was no help, and of the PV the first guy's dead, the next 3 are gone (probably), and the last guy is still around but doesn't seem interested much in this site these days, so maybe Glenn is the only one who may respond helpfully; why is the month, which does say July in the book, April on this site? Fix needed IMO. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub submissions have been enhanced.<br />
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AddPub/ClonePubs pages now display a yellow warning if the title type of the associated title record has been changed since the submission was created. The "Title Data" section of NewPub/AddPub pages has been standardized to use the same fields, field names and field order as EditTitles' post-submission pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:08, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Disambiguated author" yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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Post-submission yellow warnings for disambiguated authors have been upgraded. They now use the same algorithm as "There are other authors with the same name" displayed at the top of Summary pages.<br />
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This means that "A" will no longer be erroneously reported as a disambiguated name based on the existence of "A (W) Hendry". It also means that "Stephen King (I)" or "G. S. (artist)" will generate yellow warnings informing the reviewing moderator that they are disambiguated names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:00, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request == <br />
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Hello,<br />
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with around 10.000 changes to ISFDB since 2013 and also lots of source-code contributions I did really a lot for ISFDB and very seldom my edits have been rejected. As nowadays it takes extremely long to moderate submissions I'd like to have Self-Approver state. Hopefully that also leads to me adding a lot of my own books which I skipped until now.<br />
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As is probably known I'm not 100% happy with the way ISFDB works but adhere to the given rules. Thus I'll not use any additional rights I get to do more than now, but restrict my Self-Approver privilege to situations which I think consensus exists (misjudgment in individual cases included :-). For changes which could be troublesome I'd leave these submissions for other moderators to review (I assume that's still possible?).<br />
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--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 07:33, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Dirk! Alas, I do have some reservation about that privilege: while you did quite a lot of valuable source-code contributions, I have the feeling that many (if not all) of your publication additions to the database lack the quality we usually try to achieve, especially in sourcing the data (that is: giving the sources for the date of publication and the art credit; I personally think that also statements for the edition - first [language, tp, pb, hc, ...] would be welcome). <br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938811 Here] is a quite recent example (this one also has a seemingly wrong format, since the vast majority of publications by this publisher with the same format are defined as pb). Many of your added / verified publications have stub notes or none at all, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430657 this one]. (Also, many verified pub.s have missing or erroneous publication series, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?807320 this] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?729179 this], the first example being again a stub record). <br />
:On the whole, most seem somewhat hastily added, and I'd like to see some more quality in added and especially PV'd publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:42, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. I usually only add the minimum amount, because it's simply to much hassle to get it correct with a turnaround of multiple days for a change. It takes weeks to enter a single book correctly, especially as there is no preview feature yet and I have to redo everything when I make an error. Thus I only add the information which is required and important, nothing else. I certainly don't add all the information which it seems you find is necessary in the notes, but I add all the relevant information and I don't add wrong information. In the examples you showed there is no error: The example books you choose are tp and not pb. The publication series for Bastei is still a somewhat strange thing and not really visible in the books. The older books I added thus wont have them right simply because this "right" changed over the years. For new entries I try to follow whatever seems currently used in ISFDB. P.S. As already said multiple times - ISFDB has a large amount of errors in non-verified and verified publications (also errors which have been introduced to my verified books which have been correct when I entered the information). When the threshold to participate is too high that also wont change. I tried to help fix the software for this but the attempt didn't work out. I see that a small part of my ideas have be implemented in the last years, but nothing game-changing. Maybe to give you a note what I actually talk about: I own ~2300 SF and F books, 825 of these I verified in ISDFB, 787 more exist in ISFDB often with missing information or missing the exact copy I have. 685 are missing totally. I simply did not add them yet and instead do my own database. BTW Some errors also come from different moderators of the time: One moderator forced me to do one thing, the next exactly the opposite. And I always complied even if it did not make sense. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: '''Comment''': I haven't done much work on the submission queue lately, so I'll abstain. To answer the question raised in the last sentence, if a self-approver leaves a submission in the queue, it can be reviewed and approved/rejected by a moderator. However, submissions by self-approvers are color-coded and moderators tend to leave them alone because the presumption is that the self-approver is taking a break and will be back later. Of course, a self-approver can create a submission, leave it in the queue and then ask about it on the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe there should be a flag "please review" to turn off the color code? I actually appreciate in other environments when you have the chance to let somebody else review your stuff even when you yourself could approve it. For the easy cases you approve directly wheres for others you seek per-review. It's a concept which I e.g. are very happy with in software update submissions for openSUSE Linux distribution. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:33, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fixed Story Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Great_Disciple; Maybe I'm not being clear or something, but I'm not getting the answer I'm looking for so maybe someone else can help me. I did a bunch of edits for Bruce Publishing books and this one required more work, using the copy on Google Books, because story titles, I assume taken from Locus, were wrong in 6 cases (and 1 was missing entirely), from missing articles to completely wrong. I fixed them but now that it's been approved the 6 parent stories still have the wrong titles. That can't be right, most of the author's obscure religious stories didn't appear in any genre works and the 2 that did had the right titles (although 1 of them, "The Hound of Cullen", isn't in this collection so now I'm suspicious because it has a 1951 date on ISFDB but appeared in F&SF in 1953, so I wonder if the missing story I entered, "The End of Coo-Cullen", is that story retitled) so there's no variant, so how can I get both author names to show the correct titles? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You would have received the answer you were looking for had you told the reviewer; "The titles were only published under an alternate name so there is no reason the canonical name titles should differ." To correct, simply edit the canonical name titles and make the same corrections. However, I question whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106837 William Bernard Ready] should even be the canonical name. I don't see a single title published using that name. I would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13494 W. B. Ready] the canonical name with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?101925 William Ready] an alternate. This would obviate the need for the above edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:39, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Which Henry Holt? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601243; This is the 2nd time recently that this moderator has rejected edit(s) of mine while telling me to ask PV first when I clearly did that in both cases. This one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731, was asked about here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Swfritter#A_Month_of_Mystery, but I just decided to cancel it because trying to fix the countless verified editions of books that are clearly book club editions but not identified as such by the PV is too much for me to handle so I've decided to not do those kinds of edits anymore, but as for the 2 edits at the top of this message there's no reason for them to be rejected because as I explained here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Henry_Holt, this publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311, only has a few entries including those 1990's books entered recently by the same PV, while this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86, has almost all their books including pretty much everything published between 1986 and 2023, as is clearly explained in the note at the top of the page where it says they reverted back to that name in 1986. The 2 PV books say Henry Holt and Company on the title page so if we're going by what they actually say it wouldn't match any publisher currently on ISFDB. Standardization, right? Isn't that what mods are always saying, don't enter multiple publisher names? I think those 2 should be un-rejected. If not, I'd hate to see how many of the hundreds of "Henry Holt" books currently on ISFDB would need to be changed to "Henry Holt and Company". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:48, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You're mischaracterizing this a bit. In both cases, you submitted the edit before receiving a response from the primary verifier. Changing the name of the publisher is a major change to a publication record and should not be done without the prior assent of all active verifiers. Worse, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731 this submission] would have replaced the record for the trade edition with one for a book club edition, effectively deleting the record for the trade edition from the database. I explained this in the rejection note, and again when you [[User talk:Rtrace#MoM|objected]] on my talk page and I am explaining it for a third time here. I also explained in all these places that you need to get a response from the verifiers before submitting the original edit. Now, whether a title page stating "Henry Holt and Company" should be reflected as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86 Henry Holt], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311 Henry Holt & Co.] or a new publisher is an open question. However, it is still necessary to have a dialog with the verifiers before changing those records. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== FOCUS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?37441; I believe we have 4 separate publishers here: A German one, a British one (reprint of HC de la Mare book), an imprint based in Massachusetts who did Shakespeare, and a kid's book which maybe should have a different publisher, Tyndale, because it says "Focus on the Family" on the cover so Focus is more likely to be a series. In case anyone cares to differ them in some way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon UK ==<br />
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In this case, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312797, is it OK to replace the price and enter a link to this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22560761M/The_monsterologist, since there's no UK price and editor just entered the price from Amazon? This happens a lot. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== For those interested in Lovecraft and Winnie the Pooh ==<br />
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I ran across [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hemelein/the-horror-at-pooh-corner this Kickstarter] which combines the two. The anthology won't be out for about a year, but it's something to look forward to (I backed it). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:24, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== R. Dickerson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dickers&type=Name; Russell has many interviews, Russ has 1 which has an alternate because of a language note or something. So 1 of those should be a variant of Russell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:47, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Karloff the Editor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35824; A copy of Avon was just uploaded on Archive.org so I added a link, also added C to the price for the other (Canadian) Avon, added the month to the regular title since Avon was first edition, added other countries' prices to Corgi from back cover seen on FantLab, but most significantly added introduction to Souvenir based on photo on FantLab. It's not in Avon so it seems they added it for British editions; however, the only evidence here is in that Portugal edition where it says Introdução. So when my edits are approved that probably should be made a variant of Introduction and if anyone owns the British paperbacks the introduction is probably in those, too, and should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== De Grote Horror Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175406; Just uploaded is this, https://archive.org/search?query=grote-horror, which seems to be a German edition of the Signet omnibus, in case any German/German-fluent person wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Anderson ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=craig&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=anderson&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I added OL ID to Science Fiction Films of the Seventies some time ago and today came across it again and added Archive.org link; I noticed cover artist might be the same as the author and there's another similar name, all linked above, in case anyone knows if they're all the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maureen F. McHugh's The Cost to Be Wise - novelette or novella? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?59780 This] is categorized as a novelette, but it was nominated for 3 different awards in the novella category. If I look at the page counts in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347490 The Mammoth Book of Best Short SF Novels], it shows as 45 pages, which is the same as the following story - Greg Egan's Oceanic - which is categorized as a novella. (The rest of those "short novels" are all categorized as novellas, but they have longer page counts.) Google search results for 'mchugh "the cost to be wise"' followed by "novella" or "novelette" also indicate it is considered to be the former.<br />
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There are over a dozen verified pubs containing this story (which distill down to the 1996 Starlight anthology it appeared in, the 1997 Dozois Year's Best, a 2005 author collection, a Lightspeed mag special issue, and the aforementioned Dozois "short novel" anthology), so I'm wary of changing the type without some sort of discussion or second opinion. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I happen to have one of the anthologies as an ebook. After converting it to TXT and removing the other stories, the table of contents, etc, I see that the text contains 19,500 words if you count the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. If there are no dissenting voices here, I propose to make the novelette->novella switch in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: With a confirmed length, noone can object :) Add a note on the approximate length and change it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:02, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to close this off, the switch to novella has now been done. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:31, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derleth's Sleeping ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606597; Almost missed this rare one uploaded on Archive.org because they're doing something weird where the upload date is different than the added date which is causing a lot of confusion; anyway, PV is a bit...testy judging by my last contact with them, so I'm dry-running this here before letting them know of my changes. Does anyone see anything wrong with my edit? Title as it is on title page, spurious subtitle moved to notes, FantLab ID because it shows cover that coverless copy doesn't, etc. Also, I checked the Four Square abridgement on Dalby's site and it says "AND", not "&", on title page, so variants needed? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526; I see I added copy link and FantLab ID recently but now I've added LCCN ID, while noticing intro is dated with signed date instead of book date, something I've seen many times before, probably done by a specific editor who thought that's how it was supposed to be, so if it's not right one of the PV should fix the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606943; More title fixing; PB edition was recently uploaded so I made an edit adding link for that and title is "AND", not "&", on title page, so more variants needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== EditPub yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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All yellow warnings displayed in New Cover Art, New Regular Titles, New Reviews and New Interviews tables within the "Content" section of EditPub post-submission pages have been upgraded. They now use the same enhanced functionality already available on other post-submission pages.<br />
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At this point the only tables still using the old functionality and table layout are the 4 "Modified Cover/Regular Titles/Reviews/Interviews" tables in EditPub. As always, if you come across anything unexpected or erroneous, please post your findings here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There was a flaw in the last patch. The 4 "New" tables no longer display a yellow warning if the publication date hasn't been changed and the new title date is after the publication date. I am working on a fix. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:39, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: When you get a moment, please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607440 this submission]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:07, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for reporting the problem. It happens when magazine pubs are cloned. Working on it... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:53, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hauck ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck; I came across this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22compagnie+des+fees%22, and since many of these foreign editions have page counts off by a page or two on ISFDB because of unnumbered final page(s) I checked this one; page count was correct but the note about names on back cover was not. Heading off to ask the editor who entered the book I see that he's totally done with this site judging by the big red message on his board. So does anyone else own a copy? I think I'll do an advanced search and see what other books they PV; since they're not going to answer any questions maybe I can improve things a bit myself, add some links, etc. I'm sure some people here know what went wrong, so if anyone would like to give any details I'd be curious to know what caused Hauck to leave. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[User:Hauck]] left the project in June 2018 after [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck/Archive16#Award_for_Paradiso this discussion]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:00, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Wow. The comparisons to Nazi Germany may have been a bit much. I asked because he responded to 3 messages from 2 editors last June to tell them not to bother because he's un-verifying his PV's. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::"'''the note about names on back cover was not'''", perhaps should yo try a bit harder... ([https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fe/Lcddf.jpg]). {{unsigned|Hauck}}<br />
::::I think you meant "you should", not "should yo". If you look at the back cover of the Archive.org copy you'll see no names, so it's likely tight framing on the right side that cut them off rather than it being some variant without the names. Also, I put brackets around your image link because the giant image was taking too much space. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36904; There is the original hardcover at the top and at the bottom there's another by Putnam (should probably be G. P. Putnam's Sons like the original) which says it's from the Stephen King Library. The PV of that edition, AnimeBill, entered it in the very early days here and has been gone for many years, so no use asking them about this, https://archive.org/details/skeletoncrew0000unse. I thought it might be PV edition but now I'm thinking it may actually be a book club edition of the original since there's no number line. Is anyone here familiar with these editions who knows if there's some way to identify which edition the Archive.org copy is so it can be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Dead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609977; I recently added the original Sphere edition with no A. in author's name but looking further I see it wasn't there in the original, either. Also, the price was wrong, and the title date is 4 months earlier than the book date while Open Library says December. I thought I had trouble fixing all the later editions some time ago but this is ridiculous. So let's try to find out which, if any, editions use A. on the title page and what the real month of publication was so that can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H(elmut) Wenske ==<br />
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FantLab has a page for this artist and they say he did cover art for Night Chills, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23919, but besides a Flickr page nobody else credits him online and there's no credit in the book or signature on the cover that I can see. Another 1975 Avon book, Harvest of Fear, does have a Wenske cover which is a variant of an older cover for something else, so either FantLab confused the 2 books or the Night Chills cover is another variant of some older cover. Anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Infinities ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=new+inf&type=Publisher; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611320; One of the few from this publisher with no PV, I changed publisher to what it says in the book, this was discussed long ago but I think now would be a good time to decide on standard names, there are some books published just by New Infinities with BSM on cover (Berkley), who were just the distributor, while later ones have the Ace symbol on the cover and they're also mentioned on the copyright page. So, assuming all books say New Infinities Productions on title page and not just New Infinities, I think older ones should be New Infinities Productions (like the 3 Swycaffer books already are) and later ones should be New Infinities Productions / Ace. What do you think? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611351; Some of their books didn't even have the publisher on the title page. Also, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Death-G-Gygax/dp/044175676X, which has some ID number on the upper left; British edition or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:08 and 11:28''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: ''This section divided in two, by reference to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal&type=revision&diff=658024&oldid=658022 Differences between revisions 11:28 and 11:33] (personally unfamiliar with these coverart archives). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:08, 18 March 2023 (EDT)''<br />
=== SFE-hosted images at /nicholls/ ===<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611356; Is it possible to get "nicholls" images supported at SFE? Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:33''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's my understanding that the reason that SFE-hosted images are stored in different subdirectories like "nicholls" is that they were donated to SFE with different stipulations and caveats attached. Some of the stipulations may persist after the death of the person after whom the subdirectory was originally named. Last time I checked with the SF administrator, which was just a month or two ago, "nicholls"-hosted images were still off-limits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Link for uploading author picture ==<br />
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Publications have a handy link that allows uploading of a new cover image. Can we have one of those for people, too, and have it preload the fair use author image template? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I can't think of a reason not to add one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contents Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5613311; Should those 2 collection titles in the contents be removed after approval? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No, they belong. Pipes will be needed to ensure they remain in the proper positions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:24, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Sorry, pipes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbook: Non-genre, juvenile, etc ==<br />
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Replying to my userspace inquiry last fortnight, Rtrace observed that the Non-Genre flag for CHAPBOOK title records has an important function governing layout. All chapbooks flagged "Non-Genre" are listed below the line at the bottom of an author's Summary Bibliography. Juvenile, Novelization, and Graphic Format probably have no such function.<br />
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There is a cleanup report "CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION Juvenile Flag Mismatches", maintained at length near zero; by inference I have flagged a few chapbooks Juvenile, and probably missed a few. This feels like a good time to ask about all four flags {Non-Genre, Juvenile, Novelization, Graphic Format}. Should all four be aligned for chapbook and its shortfiction content? And, anyway, does the guideline do what we think it should?<br />
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Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length. We have more than 100 chapbooks, but less than 200, for each of Non-Genre, Novelization, Graphic. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:30, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The numbers are not unexpected-- non-genre and graphic chapbooks will be here ONLY if they are from above threshold authors and even for them, we don't really go out of our way to find and add them. Same applies for noveliazations - most are either novels or not published on their own - most of the ones we have as chapbooks are the current "juvenile" ones of various movies.<br />
: I tend to align them completely when I am adding them - a new (and sometimes not so new) user of the system don't necessarily understand that they need to scroll down to the short stories section OR click on the short story in the search results so not setting these on the chapbook is counterproductive. So having both entries carry the flags makes it easier for a user to find what they are looking for. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:48, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As I recall, we had this discussion on the Rules and Standards page a few years ago. The consensus seemed to be that our "chapbooks" are basically single-story collections, so the same rules should be applied. Since we would flag a collection as "juvenile", "novelization", etc as appropriate, we should do the same to chapbook titles. We also discussed creating additional cleanup reports to reconcile the flags between chapbook containers and their short fiction titles.<br />
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:: Re: "Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length", that is because the ISFDB software won't let you specify a "length" value for anything other than SHORTFICTION titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grant Allen, Backslider ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=backslider&type=All+Titles; I just imported 15 stories into 100 Menacing Little Murder Stories, one of those reprint Barnes & Noble anthologies, and while doing that noticed something else. The uncredited "Backslider" (issue's on Google Books) and the story by Grant Allen are the same story! So what's the procedure, which I'm never clear about: Make the uncredited a variant of Allen and make both the same date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, variant the uncredited version to the Allen version and give the parent the date of first printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Davies Reborn ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3342; I did a bunch of edits for books in F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle, and while Reprisal and Nightworld used the same art for HC and PB Brit editions the first book's Brit HC used the same art as the American Jove PB which was published first according to ISFDB, but that doesn't make sense because Davies was a Brit illustrator (and nobody's credited in the Jove, anyway), so I suspect Brit HC was published first, in case anyone can figure this out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== An Account Above Burnside Park ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=burnside+park&type=All+Titles; Someone entered Farah as Farrah incorrectly, as a check of the TP on Amazon reveals it's Farah, but a search of the title on ISFDB also reveals that the author published the story originally under another name in a magazine she edits. So if anyone wants to decide what to do with all this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bookscans HTTP, HTTPS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5614823; I thought the recently uploaded Archive.org copy would just be the original of the fully-readable one uploaded some time ago but no, it's 2 distinct copies, so I added a link and while doing so noticed the cover image had the old "Fatcow" URL which Bookscans used to use, of which there are 8 still on ISFDB (7 when my edit is approved), and also the fact that the old URL is https while the new one is http but new cover shows just fine unlike, say, Galactic Central where all their http images are broken. What's the difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unlike Galactic Central, Bookscans has a valid HTTPS certificate. This is why you can connect to https://bookscans.com/Database.htm, but if you try to connect to https://www.philsp.com/ your browser will display an error like "Secure Connection Failed".<br />
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: That said, once a Web site has a valid HTTPS certificate, it still needs to be configured to support HTTPS. Ideally, it will transparently redirect HTTP URLs to their matching HTTPS counterparts the way we do. Bookscans' HTTPS configuration appears to be incomplete, but I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Sometimes a Web site's data is spread across multiple computers and/or multiple domains, which makes it harder to get everything to work transparently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:06, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LAF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537; The first one has a couple of active PV so I'm going to ask about this; I recently added cover artist in a pending edit to Without Warning by Fern Michaels, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537, with the same initials on the cover. So the King monkey art was also done by Lisa Falkenstern. EDIT: A copy of Fantasy Annual III was just uploaded and while adding a link in an edit I noticed she did the cover for that, too, but signed it L. Falkenstern. Also, #5 has no art credit so I wonder if she did that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star SF Stories #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089; 6 PV, 5 active, none noticed the cover is wrong and is actually from a later edition, any objection if I replace it with the right cover, 96, here, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/ballantine/ballantine02.htm? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:47, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Talk to the 5 active PVs. If you submit a replacement, it will be held until you talk to them or it will be rejected with an advice to talk to them. If you want, point them to this topic but don't expect people to monitor CP about their verified books. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:49, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You can talk to them individually if you want. I don't plan on fixing anything until at least 1 of them responds; if it was 2 I probably would do it on their boards but not for 5. Most don't respond to anything or have the same answer about going to hospital/coming out of hospital, I can't check because I'm about to move/just finished moving, or some variant of "how dare you imply that I did something wrong". So if 1 or more of them see it here, the board most people check, great, if not, who cares, the book's been here for years and years and nobody besides me noticed the very obvious fact that the cover isn't for this edition because it has a totally different price and ID, most are too busy working on ephemeral e-books and don't care about the old print books anymore (besides me and a few others) judging by how much info here is wrong that I've had to fix over the last 2+ years. Try responding to one of my many questions on these boards with something useful that I can use to fix or add info with instead of coming out of the woodwork once in a blue moon so you can complain about something trivial. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: It would have taken you less time to post to the PVs pages and point them here than to write this. But everyone chooses how to spend their own time on the project. <br />
::: You asked about objections, I posted an objection, explaining clearly that such a change cannot be approved and a recommendation on how that objection can be overcome so a submission can be approved. It may not be useful to you because it does not agree with your thinking but it is how the project works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm not here often, but I try to respond to whatever's on my page. I did not notice the cover was off when verifying, but can upload a fresh scan of my edition now when it's been pointed out. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:33, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Done. Waiting for approval. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:55, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:31, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Song of the Earth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5617672; It's Royo as cover artist in both, Luis is wrong, in case anyone wants to fix that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== McBride Cover Artists Of Thorne Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709359; [https://www.pbagalleries.com/images/lot/1139/113941_0.jpg]; SFE just upped cover of 1926 edition of Topper, I added artist C. V. Farrow, this is the other McBride Thorne Smith book, signature in the grass on right corner that looks like F. Rogers, can't nail it down anywhere, someone here may know who it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tomato Cain ==<br />
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I was just about to sign off for the night when I saw a new edition of Nigel Kneale's collection Tomato Cain on SFE, https://sf-encyclopedia.com/gallery.php?filter=link:kneale_nigel&slide=6, but OL only has this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL38018073M/Tomato_Cain_and_Other_Stories_Hb, by Gratis Kneale (?!?) Was this ever published? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Marcy/Dean ==<br />
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https://hellnotes.com/interview-with-dean-italiano-author-of-the-starving-queen/; I've been adding lots of author photos and other stuff from the old Cosmos Books site and this one is a bit tricky, because he used to be she, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34089. Whatever the rules are for that here; I vaguely recall some discussion about this months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request - Welo==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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i'm asking for self-moderation privileges.<br />
Actually i wouldn't need it, i'm usually happy with the mods work and timing. <br />
But edits often need a follow up (cover, variants, merges etc.) and lately approvals take some time and that's hard to track for an editor.<br />
As my edits are mostly fairly basic, self-mod privileges would be very helpful.<br />
Werner [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 11:05, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Support work I've seen looks good[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You have my vote--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 18:04, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==<br />
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I recently submitted this note to the entry on Peter Grainger:<br />
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"I don't know how properly to comment on this. Forrest J. Ackerman was "Peter Cartur's" (or Peter Grainger's) agent. That's why he gave permission. There is NO WAY that Ackerman could have written that story, and no reason to suppose he did. As for the copyright, at that time, the magazines that originally published the story often bought the copyright, and only paid the authors for reprints out of the goodness of their heart (or perhaps if the contract specified such a payment.) So Fantasy House (publishers of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction) held the copyright. Gordon van Gelder, now the owner/publisher of F&SF, states that the contract for the story "The Mist" was signed by Peter Granger (no "i".) I would wonder about the source for the spelling "Grainger", given that he apparently never published under his own name. Incidentally, in the Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter for July 1950, Ackerman reports on some of the "up and coming" writers he is representing, mentioning Roger Flint Young separately from Peter Cartur. However, that doesn't mean much, as he also mentioned both Kris Neville and "Henderson Starke" as new writers in his fold, and there is no question that "Starke" was a pseudonym for Neville."<br />
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My objection was to the existing note on the author Peter Grainger, who is not credited with any stories under his own name, but with stories as by Peter Cartur, Roger Flint Young, and Max Dancey. This note reads:<br />
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"Pseudonym sources: Roger Robinson (his source: McGhan), Contento/Locus.<br />
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction Tales includes:<br />
Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms."<br />
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My "edit" -- not really an edit but a comment on the note, though I probably should have suggested an edit -- objects to the (pardon me, but I must say, preposterous) suggestion that perhaps Forrest J. Ackerman wrote the "Peter Cartur" stories. The rational given -- that Ackerman gave "permission" to reprint the story, so therefore he must have been the real author, is ludicrous. The copyright was actually held by "Fantasy House" (which is to say, the publishers of F&SF) -- a common practice in that era. Ackerman was the agent. The Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter citation I made supports this claim. Also this long list of Ackerman's clients, which includes Cartur, Young, and Dancey: https://archive.org/details/internationalsci00coli/page/190/mode/2up?q=%22roger+flint+young%22&view=theater<br />
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The statement that "copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name" may be true NOW (I don't know) but it was manifestly not true in 1952, when the copyright was held by "Fantasy House". <br />
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What I think should be done is to cut the note off after the credit to Roger Robinson's pseudonym list. The whole thing about Ackerman is meaningless -- he was the agent, so authorize to give permission for the reprint.<br />
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Also, the credit to "Grainger" is in question, though I don't know how to resolve it, as Gordon van Gelder, in correspondence, tells me the original contract for F&SF publication was signed by "Peter Granger". There is a British author, much later, named "Peter Grainger". Could he be the source of the confusion? - {{unsigned|Hortonwho13}}<br />
: Yes, the later author is possibly the source of the confusion - we use differentiation and they need to be done manually when needed - and some of them may be missed occasionally. Let me look through these pages later today and see what I can untangle. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett ==<br />
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I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297694 Dawn Burdett] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297701 D. M. Burdett] are the same person as mentioned on [https://www.blackharepress.com/d-m-burdett/ this site]. What does anyone think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:18, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Possibly, but the publisher page you linked doesn't mention anything about her doing art. Since all of them under "Dawn Burdett" are cover art, and because the author bio doesn't mention doing cover art (or any art), there's not enough evidence to suggest they are indeed the same person, at least to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:50, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Fine, but it does mention D. M. Burdett's first name is Dawn. But, until further evidence turns up, I guess I'll leave the matter alone. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:51, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== J. E. Thomas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15278; "Doom in the Room" actually by famed author Jeffrey (Edwin) Thomas, very early story so maybe he used that name at the start of his career, but that other story in the Valancourt anthology is likely by some old-time author. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post Mortem Print Vs. E ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Post_Mortem; An old message of mine finally becomes relevant as this, https://archive.org/search?query=9780615452623&sort=-addeddate, was just uploaded. Editor has a middle initial, 1 story title is different, dates are obviously wrong, etc. Amazon links to reprint e-book are dead, so if anyone can find a preview copy of it we can compare it to the original print edition and fix a bunch of stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bauman CaCE Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916930; FantLab shows Bauman did Dark Harvest cover, she signed it on lower right, copyright page of Tor credits her, too, she also signed it on lower right, but covers are totally different, art should probably be unmerged and made 2 distinct credits, she signed it differently between editions, Dark Harvest is name on left, date over copyright on right, Tor is name over date on left, copyright on right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dillon LANBSM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?527617; I just added a link to the PB and noticed those covers are different. Why are both under the same cover art record? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Terratoo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terratoo&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what should be done with these, title pages would need to be seen to determine correct author names, if anyone can find out then maybe a merge or variant will be in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Short Novels Covers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35073; I added an OL-only non-preview link to the '54 PB and fixed the month in all dates to 10 in a pending edit, but I think the HC credit for Powers is wrong; art on PB is in his usual trippy style, art on HC is just random lines. I think PV of HC or someone else just trusted the info they got, as mentioned in their note. I think Powers credit should be removed from HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==<br />
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.<br />
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Several Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Resurrected Holmes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction Title Question ==<br />
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}. For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font. Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text. I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)". However, the signature at the end gives me pause. I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently. Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate. What do other folks think? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”. Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F. Cantor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==<br />
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.<br />
Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.<br />
Thank you very very much.<br />
Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Nordon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Wasteworld ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Expired Link ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer. I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=659226ISFDB:Community Portal2023-04-04T03:14:50Z<p>Zybahn: /* Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot */</p>
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== Looking for one book. ==<br />
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Hello. I am Looking for one book. I only remember the beginning of the piece. Some guy found a derelict computer, sat down at it and started doing something, and then he saw a man with a gun walk up to the desk, they looked at each other in silence for a while, then the guy mechanically pressed the Enter button and the man shot him back. The work was read in the 1990s or very early 2000s. The piece appeared no later than the 1990s (probably earlier). I also remember that the guy was doing something enthusiastically on the computer: at first he typed without looking at the screen, but the message on the computer monitor made him do his work more slowly and carefully. The phrases went something like this. The message on the computer screen made him work more carefully. Behind the desk stood a man with a gun in his hand. The guy had never seen a real gun, except in the movies, but he knew immediately what it was. The guy's hand dropped mechanically to the Enter button, and the same second the black muzzle of the gun burst into flames, ending his life. Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 01:23, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Nothing comes to mind, I am afraid. There are a couple of Reddit forums that may be worth a shot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue], which handles all types of media, and [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ PrintSF], which specializes in printed speculative fiction. The Usenet group [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.sf.written] may be another place to check. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Sadly. Thank you. Wrote in the first and third place, in the second they require 2 days from the date of registration. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 15:05, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Another possible place to check is [https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on the AbeBooks site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I've updated the [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|ISFDB FAQ]] with a section containing the above links. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:14, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you, I wrote. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 05:02, 7 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::I wrote: 1. [https://community.abebooks.com/s/question/0D53n000092akFOCAY/a-guy-gets-into-an-unattended-computer-and-gets-killed-with-a-gun-for-it-a-detective-or-maybe-a-thriller?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI Book Sleuth], [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/1046dwp/tomtmovie2000sa_guy_gets_into_an_unattended/?sort=new tipofmytongue], [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/105spj3/looking_for_one_book/ printSF] and [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/c/4p_Z6o_Uc38?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written]. Where else to write? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 06:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Title Merge -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Title Merge submissions have been enhanced. They now correctly display embedded HTML and properly link to third party Web sites. Displayed field names are now more meaningful. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Award Editor -- post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for Edit Award submissions have been enhanced. They now link to the main Award Type page for the award's type, correctly display embedded HTML and link to IMDB where applicable. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request Currey check (print, 1979) ==<br />
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''The Body Snatchers'' (1955) publication record {{p|211333}}, primarily by User:Bluesman who is no longer with us, implies that Currey is the source for cover artist "Stuart Treslian". That reference should be to print [[Reference:Currey]] rather than the L. W. Currey website, which does not name Stuart T nor any cover artist in current descriptions of two copies ([https://www.lwcurrey.com/pages/books/129296/jack-finney-walter-braden-finney/the-body-snatchers one at US$4500]).<br />
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Spelling "Stuart Tresilian" may be expected. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tresilian Stuart T at Wikipedia]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:The entry for this book in Currey is not the source for the cover artist, and doesn't ordinarily provide the cover artist in the entries. I'm certain that [[Reference:Currey|the reference]] is what [[User:Bluesman|Bill]] was referring to in the note. However, I believe he was only indicating that Currey stated that there was no statement of printing. You may also find [[Reference:Verification Sources|this chart]] helpful. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:15, 12 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks. Layout supports your interpretation.<br />
:: That chart of ISFDB Verification Sources will be useful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:03, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fiction series(?): Body Snatchers, The; Invasion of, The ==<br />
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We have 1955 T{{t|437}} and rewritten 1978 T{{t|186595}} versions of this Jack Finney novel, as distinct parent titles with multiple variants (some under shared titles), presumably because the rewrite has been judged "great enough" (DO NOT MERGE, Mhhutchins, 2008-12-13).<br />
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Those need some linkage. (I will need to re-revise the former parent Title note, item 2.) I suggest a Series containing numbered versions 1 and 2. Is there any reason not to link them by a fiction series, rather than multiple cross-reference links? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New Publication -- post-submission page in the process of being updated ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for "New Publication" submissions are currently in the process of being updated. The first patch was installed a few minutes ago. It tweaked the way the "Title" section is displayed.<br />
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Upgrading the software behind this Web page is a delicate process because some of it is shared with other post-submission pages like "Clone Publication". It will take a few patches to get everything updated. In the meantime, if you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:15, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: It does look a little jarring without a label at the top of the first table but I will wait to see where that ends before complaining about it properly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Oh, one thing - html in the Moderator notes is not resolving. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5540454 example] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Investigating... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: OK, the missing header ("Title Data") has been resurrected and "Note to Moderator" has been changed to display HTML correctly. All previously upgraded post-submission pages had the same HTML display issue, but it didn't become obvious until NewPub was upgraded since Fixer uses HTML in moderator notes. Thanks for reporting the problems! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:32, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: Looks good now. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The "Publication Metadata" section has been updated to display embedded HTML tags correctly and to allow multiple warnings per field. A few yellow warnings have been tweaked and I plan another pass to upgrade the rest of them once I update ClonePub, Import/Export and EditPub to use the same software. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:32, 17 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I suppose that "Post-submission pages" include "Approved ..." among others. Approved New Publication; Approved ClonePub; Approved Publication Update --all retain(?) link label "New record:" in the footer. Approval timestamp 2023-01-17 21:28:23 for the mildly offending PubUpdate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:09, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928677 this recently created pub]'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928677 Edit History], I see that the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527716 NewPub submission] which created it links to the new record at the bottom of the page, which is as it should be. The subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527989 PubUpdate submission] also says "New record" and links to it even though it's no longer a new record.<br />
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::: It looks like it's an old bug introduced back when Edit History was implemented a couple of years ago. {{Bug|824}} has been created -- thanks for identifying it! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:14, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: It should be fixed now. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 20 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Looking for a sci-fi title ==<br />
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Hello everyone, I am looking for the title and author of a SF short story (or novel) in which a NASA-type company sends chronically unlucky people to unknown planets. Since these people are dogged by ill luck, the company figures they will encounter all the problems there are : monsters, eruptions, and so on. And that will be a good way to prepare for the planets’ exploration. Does anybody happen to know, by any chance, the title or/and author of this story ? Yves Lavandier {{unsigned2|07:15, January 18, 2023 |Yves Lavandier}}<br />
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: I have no recollection of a plot like this. Can you perhaps give a line of time it might have been published in? (It sounds more like a classic plot: 1940s to 1950s, I'd say). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:You can try one of the resources listed [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Sounds like the plot of Robert Sheckley's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46023 The Minimum Man]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Annals of Klepsis ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2779; https://archive.org/details/annalsofklepsis0000laff; Active verifiers, look at this, it's got stuff crossed/whited out on front and back covers, a pasted string of numbers on copyright page, etc. Alternate edition or something, maybe, if anyone wants to enter it. It was added in Feb. 2021, just after the last PV. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5547100; This was uploaded in April 2021; I made an attempt at entering it ("borrowing" the phrasing of the price info from other records on ISFDB) but I'm sure editors who enter French books regularly can add some stuff after my edit is approved. I notice someone named AlainLeBris did a lot of them; is he still editing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: AlainLeBris's last activity date is 2022-01-22, almost a year ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth" ==<br />
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Silverberg's 1958 novella, {{T|67050|name=We, the Marauders}}, came out a few months earlier than his 1958 novel {{T|2798|name=Invaders from Earth}}, although they are basically the same story. As such, it has often been viewed (including in our records) that the novella came first, and was then expanded into the novel. In a post yesterday on the FictionMagsIndex mailing list, Silverberg corrects that impression, writing:<br><br />
"After 65 years I don't have a clear recollection of how the changes in INVADERS FROM EARTH came about. I do recall that I wrote the book for Don Wollheim at Ace and then offered it to Bob Lowndes, whose pulp magazine SCIENCE FICTION QUARTERLY could handle long stories. The title "We, the Marauders" on the magazine version was Lowndes', though I liked it. I don't recall whether he or I did the cutting, or how the changes in plot came about. The Ace version was the original one, though."<br><br />
I have updated the title notes to both the novella and the novel to reflect this information. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 13:08, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: (I reviewed those Title notes but don't know the story.) I submitted update, and noted "hold for User: Chavey", of the NOVEL note as "the same story" ==> "nearly the same story" ... "and the cuts create a different resolution to the main character's personal story." The latter information, from the novella Title note, seems too important to omit from either one. Also I showed strong approval of the paragraph break by replicating it here for the novel, which unfortunately creates a mass of text in the "Differences".<br />
: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ohioana Book Award ==<br />
<br />
Here's another award I found. It's not a specifically genre award, but there are genre winners regularly appearing in its list of winners. [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/past-award-winners/ Main list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/other-awards/ additional list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/ general info]. They appear to be all juried awards, given out since the early 1940s.<br />
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List of categories:<br />
*Fiction<br />
*Nonfiction<br />
*Middle Grade & Young Adult Literature<br />
*Juvenile Literature<br />
*Poetry<br />
*About Ohio (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Walter Rumsey Marvin Grant (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Readers’ Choice Award (the only non-juried award)<br />
*Alice Louise Wood Award<br />
*Anniversary Award<br />
*Award of Merit<br />
*Career Award<br />
*Citation Award<br />
*Editorial Excellence<br />
*Head Award<br />
*Krout Poetry<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)<br />
*Pegasus Award<br />
*Sesquicentennial Award<br />
*Ohioana Fellowship<br />
*Ohio Favorite Book<br />
*Ohio Favorite Author<br />
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I can enter them once they're created. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:13, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am not sure how many of their categories have SF awards, but I have found at least a few genre authors: Andre Norton, Lois McMaster Bujold, Virginia Hamilton. If there are no objections, I can create a new award type, which will let moderators create categories as needed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yup, that's pretty much along the lines of what I found. Edward Eager is in there, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:00, 18 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Done. It's our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 100th Award Type]! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 21 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::An auspicious beginning, to be sure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:12, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Took a while, but I think all of them are entered now. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== S.E.P. SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29174; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483; Likely these 2 records are for the same book, but each contains info the other doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:39, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. I've merged everything to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon cover images in publication records ==<br />
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[1] Given some stable image file.jpg under "images/I" at Amazon, do we have any reason to prefer one of the addresses https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/ and https://m.media-amazon.com/ ? Is it valuable to change our URL from one to the other, upon noticing an address change at the Amazon product page?<br />
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[2] Do we have any reason to prefer linking a cover image at Amazon or linking one at Open Library? If not in general, then a match with stated printing number, available via "Look inside" at Amazon or "Preview" at Open Library but not both, is one attractive criterion. Image quality is another. Most recently I chose to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545586 link m-media-amazon.com] rather than [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL28305950M/The_particular_sadness_of_lemon_cake Open Library OL28305950M] because the latter image looks "too dark" to me. (Only now I see that "Preview" reveals a 9th printing, and Amazon UK/US provide no "Look inside".) <br />
<br>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:56, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: Amazon: Either works and points to the same place for EVERY image. If we discover that one of the spaces is discontinued, we can swap them programmatically but for the time being, either can be used (ebooks usually use the media one these days; paper books can use the images-na). As long as the ID at the end is the same, the two domains are identical for all intents and purposes and will always show the same image.<br />
: As for the OL/Amazon - both are stable (As long as it is an /I/ image in Amazon so use whichever looks better and is of better quality overall. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clone/Export/Import -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
<br />
The "Publication Data" section of the post-submission review page for Clone/Export/Import submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Clive Barker Author Photo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?71; I did some Clive Barker book edits recently and, as far as I can recall, his photo was broken because it was from one of those sites that don't display HTTP images correctly after our server move (or possibly it was just a bad photo and I decided to replace it), so I substituted a color photo from FantLab of Barker in his library that's very recent judging by his appearance, which is not very pleasant these days due to all his medical problems. Today I randomly came across his page again and saw that someone replaced that with a different photo that's not only in black-and-white but very old judging by his youthful appearance, plus it has one of those long WEBP URL's Amazon was using for a while recently. Is there any way to see a history of who edits author records? I'd like to know who changed it. I'm going to re-replace it with the FantLab photo and hopefully it will stay that way this time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Author records do have Edit History information on file, but only moderators can access it. The reason is that our [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Data_Deletion_Policy data deletion policy] lets living authors request removal of ''biographical'' (as opposed to ''bibliographic'') data from their author records. Making authors' Edit History publicly available would defeat the purpose of the policy.<br />
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: In this case the change was made by [[User:Stonecreek]] in submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527111 5527111] on 2023-01-01. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Stonecreek, you say? What a shock. Anyway, my edit is pending to change it back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::In order to prevent a continuing edit war, I've put the further edit on hold. Could [[User:Username|Username]] and [[User:Stonecreek|Christian]] as well as any other editors with an opinion on which image should be used please come to an agreement here before we further churn the author image? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:21, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: My opinion is a recent image, like the one I added from FantLab seems to be (they have 2 others which are old and B&W), is better because he doesn't look anything like he did in his heyday when he was rather handsome. However, if someone feels like they really need to see an overly bright B&W photo from decades ago on his ISFDB page, so be it. Maybe after he's dead (which may be soon judging by his appearance these days) perhaps a recent photo will be more appropriate then. I doubt I'll be around to add it, but maybe someone else will. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:34, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: There were two reasons for me to change the image: the first is the more handsome look (I do think that we should aim to have no images that would possibly intimidate an author or his/her readers), the second that Amazon seems to be more stable & is somewhat more official. I could live with the other image but do fear that it would lead towards users escaping Barker's summary page as fast as one could. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:48, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Pending edit's been sitting in my list for a long time so I just cancelled it. I did, however, make another edit today (pending) replacing the ancient Ramsey Campbell B&W photo on ISFDB with a recent color one on Amazon of him in all his chubby glory, so one Brit horror writer falls, another rises. It's hard to say who looks more unhealthy these days, Barker or Campbell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:39, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Australasian Horror ==<br />
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https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ahwa-competition-past-winners/; I was doing some edits for the first issue of Hub Magazine and 1 of the stories by Liam Rands was an honorable mention for this award (he won for another story the next year); there was discussion here recently about awards so this may be something someone would want to enter. Awards are still going as of 2022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:39, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Interesting. It looks like the Australasian Horror Writers Association has two separate/parallel projects:<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/australian-shadows-awards/award-entry-rules/ The Australian Shadows Award] with the usual menagerie of categories like "short story", "novel", "novellete/novella", "collection", etc.<br />
:* [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition], which has two categories for ''unpublished'' horror stories:<br />
:** ''Flash Fiction'': Stories up to 1000 words in length<br />
:** ''Short Story'': Stories from 1001 to 7500 words.<br />
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: We already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?68 the Australian Shadows Award listed], but we don't cover "The AHWA Robert N Stephenson Flash Fiction & Short Story Competition" at this time. One thing to note is that the latter is a true "competition" in the tradition of pulp magazines. To quote their [https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ rules page]:<br />
:* The winner in each category will receive an engraved plaque and the winning stories will appear in Midnight Echo, and receive the pay rate commensurate with that edition.<br />
: Runner-ups presumably benefit by being able to claim that their stories were "runner-ups" when they try to sell them to other markets.<br />
: This is a bit unusual, but we do have precedent for including awards given to unpublished texts -- see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?57 Prix Jean Ray], which is given to "Best unpublished fantasy text by a Belgian writer".<br />
: Thoughts? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:59, 22 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::I'd support adding it. Some of the more prestigious Japanese SF awards are contests where the winner(s) get publishing contracts (as do some of the runners up, often). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:11, 23 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: If there is no objection, I will create a new Award Type tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:59, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: A new award type and two award categories [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?101 have been created]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::: Jusges?--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Fixed, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:51, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nick Fox/Bantock Cover ==<br />
<br />
https://books.google.com/books?id=GDPwBhpEtAIC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=shadrach&f=false; Nick Bantock's art book The Artful Dodger includes a Silverberg cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1139072, which is credited to a studio (and back cover seen online does credit it to that studio) but he says he did it under his Nick Fox name. So what to do? Also, Google Books copy seems to be a 2nd printing of the Chronicle Books edition on ISFDB and there's a Canadian edition from Raincoast on Archive.org which isn't on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:49, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Inter-author collections of speculative drama ==<br />
Good afternoon, everyone. Are there inter-author collections (Anthology, Almanac) of speculative drama? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 02:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30649 "Six Science Fiction Plays"] anthology, edited by Roger Elwood, Washington Square Press, 1976, ISBN 0-671-48766-3. <br />
:* [http://borealispress.com/BookDetail/rid/913/New%20Canadian%20Drama%20Vol.%208 "New Canadian Drama Vol. 8: Speculative Drama: Roswell, Eden's Moon, Alien Bait"] edited by Scott Kesi Duchesne, Borealis Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-88887-265-4. <br />
: --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 11:01, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::* Thank you so much, are there more examples? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 13:40, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Edit Pub -- post-submission page updated ==<br />
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The Metadata (i.e. top) section of the post-submission review page for Edit Publication submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Bloch Book Duplicate ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941501; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551231; I started to enter the HC edition, mentioned in the note by the PV, using FantLab's copy but decided to check further and it's already on ISFDB; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?30351. Both HC and TP were entered many years earlier so I guess nobody checked first before approving PV submission. I've made a (pending) edit adding ID, full cover and cover design note to the HC, but there's a problem. PV did a lot of work entering the contents, which nobody did for the 2 records entered earlier, but he got the format wrong and entered it as a collection instead of non-fiction (it has both fiction and non-fiction, so who knows). So some more astute people here should decide what to do, which to keep, possible merges, etc. I'll leave a brief note on PV page about this; they're still active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I still have the TP handy if you want to point me in the right direction. Still mostly a novice at this. I appreciate this resource and like to contribute how I can. [[User:Fenrix1958|Fenrix1958]] ([[User talk:Fenrix1958|talk]]) 21:10, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for responding so quickly. I randomly came across the Bloch book you entered and thought I'd enter the HC edition you mentioned in your note since FantLab has many photos of it, but I found it hard to believe that nobody ever entered it, and after checking further I found both HC and TP editions which, judging by edit history, were entered in the very early days of public editing here. Yours was in 2015, so I'm not sure why a moderator approved it when it already existed and had the same ISBN, but the problem is that you actually did the hard work of entering the numerous contents, unlike the others, but didn't enter the month, made it a PB instead of a TP, made it a collection with Bloch as author instead of non-fiction with Matheson and Mainhardt as editors (I'm not even sure what's correct because it includes Bloch stories but also essays from many other people about Bloch, so anthology, maybe?). So I was wanting people who, unlike me, have been doing this for a very long time to chime in and suggest what should be done because your hard work shouldn't go to waste, but several different people made edits for the edition you didn't enter so it wouldn't be right to just delete that. I've been editing for just over 2 years but am rapidly losing interest due to a variety of reasons, so I won't be of much help to you, I'm afraid; I just do simple stuff these days. Someone else will respond shortly, I'm sure, and this will be resolved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:03, 27 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:::This is the most relevant section of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type|the help]]:<br />
::::''NONFICTION. This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction. This includes book-length works of non-fiction or books containing essays by one or more authors. A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant. A single work of fiction in an Isaac Asimov essay collection does not make it a COLLECTION. A book of fiction (NOVEL, COLLECTION, or ANTHOLOGY) containing a generous, but not predominate, amount of non-fiction, such as introductions, essays, and other non-fiction works, should not be typed as NONFICTION. Mixtures of fiction and non-fiction are more usually found in magazines than they are in books, so the question does not often arise.''<br />
:::I'd wait a bit to see if there are any opposing viewpoints, but it looks to me like the book is '''''predominantly''''' the Bloch stories and poem, and most of the essays are introductions to those works. However, it also has more -- and a wider range of -- essays than we would normally see as supplemental material in a typical collection. So it strikes me as a book assembling Bloch works and a lot of other material, as opposed to a book about Bloch that happens to contain some of his works. If you have the book, you can make a more informed judgement that I can. If it's primarily a book of Bloch works, I would use ANTHOLOGY as the least bad fit, with Matheson and Mainhardt as the editors. If the book is primarily about Bloch, then NONFICTION would be more appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:45, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::My edit for the HC was just approved after a long wait (I made a minor error in the note so that new edit still has to be approved), but I think I'm done and so someone should decide what to do with the 2 separate but equal paperback editions now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::HC copy just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, now I'm really done with this and so someone may want to decide what to do re: the above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:35, 31 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== L. R. Giles/Lamar Giles - Canonical Name ==<br />
<br />
Our canonical name for this author is currently {{A|L. R. Giles}}, presumably because that's how his first three SF stories credited the author back in 2004-2007. However, over the last 6 years he has published 4 SF novels and 2 stories as "Lamar Giles". A 2018 reprint of a 2006 story also used "Lamar Giles".<br />
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Are there any objections to changing the canonical name to "Lamar Giles"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:41, 28 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276372 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase - call for editors to assist ==<br />
<br />
Hello everybody! As all webzines, including those with mainly non-genre content, are now being indexed following a policy change in October 2022 regarding the Rules of Acquisition (as per [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Webzines_inclusion:_Proposed_extension_of_ROA this discussion]), I recently started indexing speculative contributions appearing in the last two-and-a-half years of [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/index.html Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase]. This webzine began publication in 2012 and ceased on 6 May 2022. It will be taken offline permanently on or about 6 May 2023, i.e., in about three months or so. My focus on those issues published between January 2020 and May 2022 is mainly because of the addition of a speculative fiction and poetry section called 'Outta This World' from May of 2020. However, some speculative contributions continued to be published in different sections, such as 'Crumbs' (for drabbles, jokes and short-form poetry) and 'Kid Stuff' (stories and art by under-eighteens) and, prior to the establishment of the 'Outta This World' section, speculative stories and poems could be found in other sections across the site (e.g., in 'The Reading Lamp' and 'Stories'). <br />
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It will be a challenge for me to complete the period from 2020 to 2022 in the three months available but there's no way I can cover the earlier years alone (if at all). Would anyone else be interested in covering the earlier (nine) years? It's possible that after May 2023, most - if not all - of the webzine could continue to be indexed using the Internet Archive but I suspect that lacunae would occasionally be found in the latter's coverage.<br />
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It may be the case that earlier issues contained only a small amount of speculative material so this might facilitate more rapid indexing, though of course the stories, poems and essays will still need to be read to determine their eligibility.<br />
<br />
Note that 'issues' are distributed across different sections and have been archived in different ways (e.g. under a specific section or under a particular author). The final issue appears on the current home page with items shown listed under each section. Each item appearing in the same issue will bear the issue date in brackets after the title. They can be found grouped according to month under most sections, e.g. 'The Reading Lamp' section is indexed for the period December 2013 to May 2020 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/the-reading-lamp-archives.html here] while that for 'Crumbs' is indexed for the period December 2012 to April 2022 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/crumbs-index.html here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, and the series page on ISFDB is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68935 here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:51, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rozic/Rosick ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=letter+to+roger&type=Fiction+Titles; I was adding a few links to stories from bloodrosemag.com that are on ISFDB and this dude's name is a mess. He had a story in Pulphouse which was reprinted many years later in a horror anthology under a different name; his story on Blood Rose, https://www.bloodrosemag.com/archives/sep%202001/craziedaze.html, spells his name differently at top and bottom. I did an edit (pending) making Rozic an alternate name of Rosick, but I'm not touching anything else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ongoing cleanup of post-submission pages ==<br />
<br />
I am in the process of removing obsolete code which was previously used to display post-submission pages and was deactivated last week. I am also making minor improvements to yellow warnings as I go along, e.g. I am currently working on making the "Price" field support multiple yellow warnings. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:07, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Catalog ID- and ISBN-specific yellow warnings have been upgraded to support multiple warnings per entered value. Pre-1970 pubs with an ISBN now generate yellow warnings. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:42, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Price-specific yellow warnings for prices now support multiple warnings per entered value. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Yellow warnings for image URLs now support multiple warnings per entered value. Certain odd Amazon URLs may generate more than one warning because they break more than one of our rules. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:35, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Yellow warnings about alternate and/or disambiguated names are no longer displayed for submissions which do not change them. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:17, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Broken Galactic Central image links ==<br />
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Can anything be done about this? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 13:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
: See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Galactic_Central this post] for an explanation. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::Rats! Thanks for the info. Is there a way I can make Google Chrome show the images, by allowing insecure images? I tried allowing both isfdb.org and philsp.com to show insecure content, but it didn't seem to do anything. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I would tell you to switch to a less arrogant browser, but I did a little research and found you can actually convince Chrome to do what you want in this case:<br />
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:::# Click on the lock icon to the left of isfdb.org in the address bar.<br />
:::# Click on <code>Site settings</code> in the drop-down menu that appears.<br />
:::# If <code>Privacy and security</code> is not already selected in the list at the left, select it.<br />
:::# You should see a list at the right with "www.isfdb.org" at the top.<br />
:::# Scroll way down through the "Permissions" and look for <code>Insecure content</code> with a danger triangle to the left and "Block (default)" to the right.<br />
:::# Click on the little down-arrow next to "Blocked (default)" and switch to "Allow".<br />
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:::That's it. Now if you refresh (or go back to) the ISFDB page with the blocked image, you will see the image.<br />
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:::I hope that helps. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:25, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
::::HOORAY! It works! Thank you so much! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 20:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Biffignandi ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107101; https://archive.org/details/aless-andro-biffignandi-illustration-art; https://archive.org/details/sex-and-horror-the-art-of-alessandro-biffignandi; Biff apparently did a ton of art but ISFDB, oddly, only has 2 German krimi covers and an American cover for an Anne McCaffrey book (?!?) Anyway, I have a feeling the books linked above may be of use to those who enter all those obscure foreign covers. Be warned, however; there is much, MUCH nudity, including some pretty racy stuff. I do like the cover near the end of the 2nd book, however, where a weird-looking shark is chasing a woman swimming with a BABY in her arms. Is that an Italian thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Drew S. ==<br />
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Drew Struzan is a well-known artist, today I added a link to an Archive.org copy of a novel he did the cover for, credit was to Drew Struzman, searching for that name only hit on that book, I asked PV who entered it as Struzan to check but SFJuggler doesn't always respond, so if anyone else has a copy of the 1991 Bantam Falcon edition of Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils you may want to check the copyright page. Struzan has no alternate names on ISFDB, so this may be the first. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:43, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Creative Guy From Canada ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?23801; I did some editing for Lucy A. Snyder book, publisher is Canadian, my price fix adding the "C" is the only one, should all be "C"? There's also 1 price missing and 1 where editor entered British price for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Riley Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1468203; Is this, https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/220727_19, actually by David A. Riley, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19937? He has 2 cover art credits, both discovered by me some time ago, and I think this may be another piece of art by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== French Bardin and Dick ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22terrain-vague-pour-la-traduction%22+&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate; I added Archive.org link to Tor TP of P.K. Dick's The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike and added another link to the Paladin edition I did an edit for a long time ago, but there's another edition, a French one, and while searching for other books by the publisher I found they did an edition of Bardin's Deadly Percheron, although the French title is Big Clogs or something similar. So if anyone who regularly enters French editions wants to enter those. Oddly, there are publishers with the same name on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terrain+vague&type=Publisher, but one published LONG before these 2 books came out and the other I'm not sure about, having published only an art book and a French novel, with no translations of American books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Big O ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?936; I added a D. Wheatley edition from this publisher and noticed the series, Plus, spells the publisher with a capital O. So should the publisher be spelled with a capital O, too? Also for the other series with A.C. Doyle books? Because on the Wheatley book it does look like they made the O big, since it stands for Oswald and so it makes sense that a person's initial would be capitalized. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:That seems appropriate. I found [https://archive.org/details/untramwaynommemo0000iris this scan] where the cover and title page have a stylized "NéO" logo (where it's hard to tell whether the "O" is capitalized), but title page says "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" and the copyright page says "&copy; Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO) 1981". So it seems they used the big "O". Two more scans corroborating that: [https://archive.org/details/troissaigneursde0000finn] and [https://archive.org/details/lhopitaletautres0000walt]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::Based on that title page, the publisher should be "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" rather than "Néo" or "NéO". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:56, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:::All three of those scans have: "NéO" [in stylized form] (over) "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" on the title page. The copyrights use "Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO)". Dates are 1981, 1982, and 1986. In the 1986 book on the page facing the title page is "Voir liste des libraries NéO en fin de volume." and "Maquette: Studios Knack/NéO" (referring to the cover illustration). The 1982 book's copyright page's list of other books by the same author has a citation that uses "Nouvelles éditions Oswald/NéO". Whether it should be "NéO" or spelled out doesn't seem clear-cut to me. But if the short form is what should be used, then I think it's clear the capitalization should be "NéO", not "Néo". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Yes, the stylized "NéO" is the logo, and the name of the publisher is "Nouvelles éditions Oswald". If the publisher information is on the title page, we always go with that over anything on the copyright page or elsewhere. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:43, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Frankenstein Glut ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569772; PV is very gone, as can be seen there's a bunch of messy details I've tried to note/fix, LCCN ID on OL leads to a record which mentions a collector ed. and a paperback but there's only one edition on ISFDB, copyright page also mentions the 1977 Mews edition was shorter and substantially different and so wouldn't it be considered a separate book? Anyway, I noticed somebody made an edit for a Glut book today so they or someone may want to look at this after it's approved and see if they can do anything more with it. Donald N. will need to be made a variant of his real name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Making of ROTJ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957601; $4.25 edition has been here for years, I added $3.50 edition recently, I moved 2 ID over, $4.25 either is Canadian with higher price, later printing, whatever, but both PV are gone, so if anyone here knows what's up a C should be added to price or date should be changed to 0000, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alien Sex ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192541; Several PV, some active, nobody added Roman numerals to page count, one of the PV should do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Pwendt ==<br />
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Happy New Year (or Groundhog Day)! <br />
I nominate myself for self-approver. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. [[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:'''Support'''. Does a good job. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:46, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' (and changing the title of the thread so it is clear what this is for :) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Support''' -- Apologies for missing this earlier and not responding sooner. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: '''Comment'''. I haven't worked on Pwendt's submissions lately, so I'll abstain. One issue that I encountered in the past was lack of clarity in Notes. My recommendation would be using shorter complete sentences with a subject, a predicate and an optional object. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:54, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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Self-approver flag set on the account as per the consensus above. Congratulations! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:40, 11 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disch Ruins ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285521; I added links to 2 club editions recently, today a link to Arrow edition, Hutchinson edition has no price or cover artist, SFE says Chris Yates, this STAINED eBay copy has a flap photo which is blurry but a 2 seems to be the start of the price, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380896522207, so if anyone can find somewhere that shows better photos or owns a copy then price can be entered and cover artist (on back flap, I assume, although it may just be design) can be entered if warranted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:43, 3 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Turner Diaries ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1601834; I came across a copy, uploaded to Archive.org a little over a year ago, and while making an edit remembered I had done an edit previously, which turned out to be not long before the copy was uploaded (I hate when that happens). Anyway, after my new edit is approved, there's 2 questions: name's spelled Macdonald, not MacDonald, but when changing that it still looks like MacDonald even though it's in a new column so it sees it as a change even though it doesn't look that way. Is that a quirk of ISFDB? More importantly, there's an essay by someone with the same name who I highly doubt is the same guy who wrote this notoriously violent and racist novel, and none of his 5 wives mentioned on his Wikipedia page were named Gina (I suppose it could be a relative), so I'm sure the essay writer, assuming they're still alive (it's been 40 years), would like their name moved to a separate record if they're not that other guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: When you enter or edit an author name, a publisher name, a series name or a publication series name, the ISFDB software first checks the database to see if we already have it on file. The check is not case-sensitive, so "ace books" will find "Ace Books", "george orwell" will find "George Orwell", etc. Once a matching name has been found, the software uses it instead of the form of the name that was actually entered. The process ensures that we don't end up with multiple separate records for the same author/series/publisher/etc due to capitalization mistakes during the data entry process. If we determine that the capitalization of the canonical name/series name/etc is incorrect, as is apparently the case with {{A|Andrew MacDonald}}, we can edit the main record directly.<br />
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: That said, the fact that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574438 this submission] shows "Andrew MacDonald" in the "Proposed Changes" column may be a bug. I'll take a closer look tomorrow. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:17, 4 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I have confirmed that this problem affects both Edit Title and Edit Publication. {{Bug|826}}, "Edit Title and Edit Pub do not check for author case properly", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:23, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Coincidentally, famous artist LeRoy Neiman has all 4 of his credits on ISFDB as Leroy. Fixing the first one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575086, I subbed R but pending edit says r. So I assume it takes a while for your bug fix to start working? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:54, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{Bug|826}} is just a document describing the reported bug and how to recreate it. I am currently working on a software patch which should fix the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:39, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Red Skelton Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575145; I asked about this last July 4 on this board, MartyD agreed with adding the "e", neither of us ever fixed it, I came across this randomly today and am finally fixing it. I trust nobody has any objection? PV is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Price Of Three Women ==<br />
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This is a bit complicated. A stray mention of Anne McCaffrey on this site spurred me to see if I could enter anything interesting by her, skipping over her endless Pern books, and I decided to start with her non-genre works. That was a mistake. She published 3 gothic novels in the 70's which were collected by Tor as Three Women and published in either Dec. 1991 or Jan. 1992. So searching ISBN on OL found a record with no book but it did find a copy on Archive.org; searching for their URL, threewomen00mcca, on OL found a record with a link to the copy, so why ISBN doesn't is unknown because it's there on the page. Anyway, the copy is ancient, having been uploaded in 2010, but is missing the copyright page. Noticing the price was higher I created a new record with an "unknown" date and a note about it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575697. The problem is that I can't find a single photo online of a cover with the $4.99 price on it; I suspect there is none and the real original price was $5.99. Locus has much incorrect info, and searching ISBN in contents found these, https://archive.org/search?query=0-812-50587-5&sin=TXT; ignoring the 4 unrelated books, that Brown/Contento book is Locus with the same info found on their site, but that YA guide says $5.99. I find it very strange that multiple copies with extensive photos can't be found since most of her books were big sellers with large print runs and many were reprinted. I was going to cancel my edit and just add the copy link and the page numbers to the existing record, but decided not to because there's still a slim possibility it was originally $4.99. So check your shelves or the dark corners of the web, readers, and let me know if you can find a copy with that price. EDIT: My edit was rejected for some reason over my head so if anyone else wants to enter it, go ahead. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:If you were confused as to why it was rejected, you could have asked. I rejected it because it was creating an new OMNIBUS record without any content. Nor was there a moderator note stating that you intended to add the content in a subsequent edit. There are three ways you could have added this publication record. You could use the add publication tool, and manually add the contained novels in one edit. Then you would need to merge each novel separately. You could also use the add publication and in a subsequent edit import the three novel titles. If this was your intent, it's a good idea to note this in the Moderator notes, so that we'll know that you intend to finish the edit. However, the most efficient way to add this publication is with the Clone this Pub tool. That way, all the contained novels will automatically be copied and it will all be accomplished in a single edit rather than 2 or 4 edits. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stockholders in Death ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3560; Archive.org copy of #7 since 2010 that nobody ever entered here so I just did in a (pending) edit, but publisher is Warner PL; several entries omit the Warner on ISFDB, so should all of them, including this one, be made Warner PL, too? Did PL, no Warner, publish any of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Author name validation enhancements ==<br />
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The way the ISFDB software handles author names in Edit Title, New Pub, Add Pub, Clone Pub, and Edit Pub has been enhanced. The following scenarios are now processed correctly:<br />
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* The same author name is entered using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" is changed to "david weber"<br />
* The order of co-author, co-artist, co-interviewee, co-interviewer, co-reviewer or co-reviewee names is changed<br />
* The same author name is entered two or more times (for the same title) using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" and then again "david weber"<br />
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In all of these cases the software now ignores the submitted "change".<br />
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Hopefully every permutation has been addressed/fixed. If you come across anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great SF About Doctors ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22Great+science+fiction+about+doctors%22; I added a link to original edition, fourth printing is on ISFDB with correct date but wrong printing and date in note, I added a link and fixed the note, cover artist is Don Ivan just like the fifth printing, so there's a lot of confusion, especially since the 2nd printing has no PV and nobody's entered the 3rd. So maybe someone can look into that and unmerge/un-variant; I have a feeling all the editions with that cover have Don Ivan on the back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 8 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== C. Alexander London canonical name ==<br />
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Are there any objections to swapping the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231877 here] to Alex London. The longer name had not been used for a long time and all new books use the shorter name. SFE also has the record under Alex London. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: It's a slightly unusual case in that his first series appeared as by "Alex London", the second one came out as by "C. Alexander London" and the last two went back to "Alex London". Be that as it may, "Alex London" is currently leading 8:3, so I think it should be the canonical name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Series with non-fiction and short-fiction only ==<br />
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When a series has only non-fiction and short-fiction in it, it shows up in an author list as a "Nonfiction Series" (As the only container title is non-fiction, it kinda makes sense). However, it is factually wrong and we are a fiction DB after all. As novellas/novelettes are popular (both as "juvenile novels under 40K" and as self-published or e-only non-juveniles), this is happening more and more often. As soon as a collection of more than one of the stories show up, the collection title bumps the series into the Fiction category. But in the meantime, it lags under Non-fiction.<br />
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Any chance to have these shown up in the Fiction series list? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37710 this series]. See where it shows on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112144 author page]. Thanks! <br />
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PS: Another related case is a series with only short-fiction. Now these show all the way at the bottom, with the short fiction until they get a collection and then they sail up under Fiction series. Maybe we can solve both usecases together and just treat short fiction entries as the fiction containers and just list all fiction series under the normal series heading. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I am looking at the code that drives the Summary Bibliography page and here is what I am seeing.<br />
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: First, the software organizes all titles by series. Then it builds "series hierarchies" so that embedded series appear under the top series -- note how "Star Wars: The Clone Wars (animated)" appears under "Star Wars: Clone Wars", which appears under "Star Wars Universe" on {{A|Tracey West}}'s page. Then it checks the title type of each parent title in each "series hierarchy" to determine which section of the Summary page the hierarchy belongs under. The current logic is as follows:<br />
:* If a "series hierarchy" contains at least one NOVEL, COLLECTION, or SERIAL title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
:* OTHERWISE:<br />
:** If it contains at least one ANTHOLOGY title, it is displayed in the "Anthology Series" section.<br />
:** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*** If it contains at least one NONFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section.<br />
:*** OTHERWISE:<br />
:**** If it contains at least one OMNIBUS title, it is displayed in the "Fiction Series" section. (This check is performed after the ANTHOLOGY and NONFICTION checks so that OMNIBUSES with only ANTHOLOGY/NONFICTION titles would appear in their respective Anthology/Nonfiction series sections.)<br />
:**** OTHERWISE:<br />
:***** If it contains at least one SHORTFICTION title, it is displayed in the "Short Fiction Series" section.<br />
:***** OTHERWISE:<br />
:****** If it contains at least one POEM title, it is displayed in the "Poem Series" section.<br />
:****** OTHERWISE:<br />
:******* If it contains at least one ESSAY title, it is displayed in the "Essay Series" section.<br />
:******* OTHERWISE:<br />
:******** If it contains at least one COVERART title, it is displayed in the "Cover Art Series" section.<br />
:******** OTHERWISE:<br />
:********* If it contains at least one INTERIORART title, it is displayed in the "Interior Art Series" section.<br />
:********* OTHERWISE:<br />
:********** If it contains at least one REVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Review Series" section.<br />
:********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:*********** If it contains at least one INTERVIEW title, it is displayed in the "Interview Series" section.<br />
:*********** OTHERWISE:<br />
:************ If it contains at least one title of some other type, it is displayed in the "Other Series" section. (This should never happen because CHAPBOOKs cannot be added to series.)<br />
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: Once all eligible titles have been placed into series, the displayed order of sections is as follows:<br />
:* Fiction Series<br />
:* Standalone novels<br />
:* Standalone collections<br />
:* Standalone omnibuses<br />
:* Standalone serials (should never happen because SERIAL titles are supposed to be turned into variants)<br />
:* EDITOR series<br />
:* Anthology Series<br />
:* Standalone anthologies<br />
:* Standalone chapbooks<br />
:* Nonfiction series<br />
:* Standalone nonfiction<br />
:* Short Fiction series<br />
:* Standalone short fiction<br />
:* Poem series<br />
:* Standalone poems<br />
:* Cover art series<br />
:* Standalone cover art<br />
:* Interior art series<br />
:* Standalone interior art<br />
:* Review series<br />
:* Standalone reviews<br />
:* Interview series<br />
:* Standalone interviews<br />
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: If we decide that we want to fold the "Short Fiction Series" section into the "Fiction Series" section, it would be easy to add "SHORTFICTION" to the list of title types which trigger placement in the "Fiction Series" series, then delete the "Short Fiction Series" section. It would also take care of the NONFICTION issue since series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION titles would appear in the "Fiction Series" section.<br />
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: As to whether combining "Fiction Series" and "Shortfiction" would be a desirable change, I'll have to think about it. Annie's example is a good argument in favor of making the change, but then non-series short fiction, which appears below magazines, anthologies, chapbooks and non-fiction, would be treated differently than the other title types which drive inclusion in the "Fiction Series" section. I guess we could move the "[standalone] Short Fiction" section up the page, but then it would be above book-length works like magazines and anthologies. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:43, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::What a blast from the past! I remember working on that code.... The organizational thought behind that evaluation chain was that "books" should be the primary driver of the series type. But perhaps that's a mistake when it comes to NONFICTION. It seems reasonable to suppose there might be a NONFICTION work about any series of works, and if we want to put that NONFICTION work into the series, it shouldn't affect the series type, whatever that may be. So maybe it would be best to move NONFICTION to the bottom of the chain. just before the "Other Series" catch-all. Then Nonfiction Series would only contain NONFICTION. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Currently, a series with a mix of NONFICTION, ESSAY, COVERART, INTERIORART, REVIEW and INTERVIEW titles is displayed in the "Nonfiction Series" section. Would you say that it should be displayed in the "Essay Series" section instead? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:24, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The one gotcha I see with that is a nonfiction series that happens to contain an OMNIBUS as well (do we allow that?); we wouldn't want that to end up in Fiction Series. So that evaluation might need a tweak of some sort. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:04, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
::: The official [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub rule is]: "A publication may be classified as an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION." So technically - yes, an omnibus can contain 3 NONFICTION items. In practice it is rare but it happens. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: {{A|H. P. Lovecraft}}'s [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?309615 ''Collected Essays: Complete''], which collects HPL's essays originally published as 5 NONFICTION volumes, would be one example. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe the easiest way will be in the omnibus line to have a secondary check if there is at least one SHORTFICTION or POEM title - everything else on the fiction side is before the Omnibus so we will only reach that case when there are no novels and collections/anthologies. <br />
::: I won't insist on moving short fiction series higher but... I still think that having fiction series in two different places on the screen is confusing, especially for authors who write on the border between novella and novel and that end up with their series split in weird ways. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome ===<br />
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I have changed the software to display series with a mix of NONFICTION and SHORTFICTION/POEM titles in the "Fiction Series" section. We may want to start another discussion about merging the two "Fiction Series" sections. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 13 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Embedded HTML is now displayed correctly ==<br />
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After close to a hundred patches over the course of many months, embedded HTML is now displayed correctly on all ISFDB pages. If you come across any irregularities or bugs, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:51, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:What does embedded HTML mean? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Consider [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2145123 this record] whose title is "<sarcasm>Adventures in Gaming</sarcasm>". It could just as easily be "<nowiki><b>Adventures in Gaming</b></nowiki>". Angle brackets like "<" and ">" are the building blocks of HTML tags, so browsers interpret them as HTML commands to use bold, italics, underlining, etc. Or, in the case of "<sarcasm>" just stand around looking very confused :-) That's what "embedded HTML" is.<br />
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:: In order to prevent browser confusion, the ISFDB software needs to do something special to tell the browser that these particular angle brackets should be simply displayed "as is" instead of being interpreted as HTML commands. It took me a while to get everything updated, but I think I am finally done. I think I'll go have a tankard of non-alcoholic Klingon ale to celebrate :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::<clanks tankard/> For the Empire! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:29, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== MV of SK ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5579477; It says 19.95 on back, librarian typed 21.95 on first page like ISFDB says, Locusmag says 19.95 but also says 1989 is the date yet they didn't see it until Aug. '90 for some reason, after this is approved someone more hip to these tangled Starmont/Borgo things may know more about if this is a 2nd printing, if they suddenly decided to raise the price before the 1st printing, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 10 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== HELP! A Bear Is Eating Me! ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL9881165A/Mykle_Hansen; English edition just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, but French version uploaded back in 2021 in case anyone wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFE Clute ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5581010; Why is this happening now? Did they change again? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: This is the first "clute_uk" URL that I have seen. I am going to ask the SFE administrator whether it's a typo or a new part of their URL structure. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:31, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It turns out that "clute_uk" is a new publicly "linkable" subdirectory. I have updated the software to recognize it as legitimate. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:48, 12 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bradbury's Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?38262; Search on Archive.org only brings up 1 copy but as can be seen at the OL link, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5981610M/Twice_twenty-two, there's 1 of those weird "preview" copies; it doesn't really have the cover art like the thumbnail shows, just red cloth binding like the other copy, but it's a different copy. So if anybody knows which edition they belong in, if it's one of those later ones mentioned in the ISFDB notes, etc., then link(s) can be added; note also that OL mentions a 1994 Buccaneer edition. Also, Mugnaini's cover art was missing the month and his frontispiece was only included and dated based on the book club edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=twice+twenty&type=All+Titles, so I've fixed all that in (pending) edits; note also the last entry with a month that matches neither edition and is from a Virgil Finlay book. What's that about? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Tainaron ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1440471; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=13630&recCount=25&recPointer=3&bibId=3359893; The original Finnish edition is not on ISFDB but it is on the Library of Congress site in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. I just added an Archive.org link to the Prime Books edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 14 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Grindhouse ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/grindhousethesle0000unse; Would the inclusion of the entire screenplay for Planet Terror qualify this for entry here? I've been wanting to find something with Tarantino's name on it so I can add his bio and find the most unflattering photo of him possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Richard Morris ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147497; Interview is with this guy, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0606889/, not the guy from the 1800's, but does that interview about a movie really belong here? If it does, some addition to interviewee's name is needed to differ him from the dead guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:50, 15 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I'll differentiate the name: thanks for finding this. The interview does belong here because it was published in a genre magazine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:36, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Whimper of Whipped Dogs ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=whipped+dogs&type=All+Titles; Today is the anniversary of 911 calls here in America, starting in 1968 and prompted by the murder of Kitty Genovese a few years earlier which was the inspiration for this story by Harlan Ellison. I was looking for an online PDF and found this, https://xpressenglish.com/whipped-dogs/. I'm going to add the link but I'm curious where that drawing came from. Anyone recognize it? also, at the link above, the 2 essays seem like the same thing but there's no variant. Are they the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:24, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lester Dent Bibliography ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lester+dent+bibliography&type=All+Titles; https://archive.org/details/lester_dent_bibliography; 1996 date doesn't match either version on ISFDB and it seems to have been published as an e-book or something. Lots of Doc Savage work done recently here so maybe somebody wants to enter this or at least knows where it originally came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Squires Knight ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?834417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?173963; I added an Archive.org link to the Leisure edition by Knight and checked his real name and found that he originally published What Rough Beast under that name. What's the variant rules here? Who's the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:45, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Where it's only one title under each name, it doesn't matter much. But I found an archived copy of his website http://www.harrysquires.com/ in the Wayback Machine, and in a 2012 version there is: "Now writing horror as H.R. Knight, Harry...". So it seems he deliberately changed his horror-writing identity from Squires to Knight. So I'd make Knight the canonical (which also works well because the publications under that name are more recent and more plentiful). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:01, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Post-submission display of Contents sections improved ==<br />
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The way Contents sections are displayed on post-submission pages is in the process of being changed. At this point NewPub and AddPub submissions have been upgraded. Their Contents sections now properly display multiple yellow warnings when warranted. They also indicate which submitted author name is new, which one is an alternate name or which one is a disambiguated name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 17 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Filaria ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258490; A copy was uploaded a few months ago on Archive.org; it revealed that the page count and the price here were wrong, I fixed those and added the link, but the review at Strange Horizons calls this the first book from Chizine and says 2008, as do all copyrights in the book itself. Why it has a late 2009 date here I don't know, and I also don't know why there's such a big gap between the first Chizine book here, January 2009, and the rest of their 2009 books. So real date is needed for this book and probably others from this publisher. Also, while researching this I saw an expired eBay sale for a 100-copy HC, which I believe Chizine did for many of their books, often including extra material, but very few seem to have been entered here, so there's that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Earthman, Come Home ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229485; I noticed a M. Ayme Mayflower edition said Dell on cover and Google Books had it with Mayflower-Dell on copyright page so I fixed that but this isn't on Google. It says Dell on cover, both PV haven't been around for years, but knowing these old paperbacks I hesitate to fix it without someone seeing a copyright page. So if anyone owns this edition can you check and see what it says inside the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:17, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Come Softly, Come Sweetly... ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362038; I added info to the only issue of D. Sutton's British Shadow fanzine, from 1971, that's on ISFDB and Eddy C. Bertin has a story, "Come Softly, Come Sweetly", in it which isn't on ISFDB but his 1971 Dutch collection, linked above, has a title which translates to the English title, just with added words, so any Dutch people who are familiar with his extensive bibliography will probably know which came first and can variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:36, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?325553; Does that seem right? It should be other people named Mark Williams, shouldn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 20 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Two things: (1) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is matched up with forms of "Mark" is a bug. I would bet the issue is the "(". The ambiguity matching logic probably isn't paying attention to whether the parenthesized expression is at the end or is embedded in the middle. (2) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is not matched up with forms of "Mark Williams" is a limitation/feature of the current matching, which doesn't consider names containing middle names (or initials, etc.) to be ambiguous vis-a-vis the same combination of first and last name without any middle name. I don't think we'd want "Mark XYZ Williams" to be shown as ambiguous with "Mark Williams", but I guess I could see showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams". You'd have to lobby Ahasuerus on that one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:41, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|827}}, "'Same name' logic fails for records with embedded parentheses", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:50, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: It should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting the problem.<br />
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::: Re: ''showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams"'', that's a whole different can of worms. If you do a name search on "John%Smith", you'll get a list of a dozen names, including:<br />
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::: First we'd have to decide which ones are considered ambiguous. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:04, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Created By Matheson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8191; The advance reading copy, https://archive.org/details/createdby00math, says 352 pages on the first page, it's actually 344, ISFDB says 324. Anyone own a copy who can verify what the actual page count is? There are also Roman numerals at the front; no editions here have them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brutarian ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=brutarian&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Heads up that someone, after uploading 3 random issues years ago, started uploading more issues recently. This was not strictly a genre magazine but included some genre fiction/non-fiction, especially in later issues, some of it by big names. ISFDB only has a few late issues entered; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=brutarian&type=Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing issues on the newsstand at some store in New York City back in the 1990's or maybe a bit later, so it got some distribution, I guess. I got an R. Crumb vibe from it, though, probably due to the type of cover art they used, and didn't really peruse it. Crumb's art always made me nervous for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bonus fiction in novels ==<br />
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Why is a 'bonus' short fiction title allowed in a novel, but a serial installment is specifically excluded? There are a number of publications, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714319 example 1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714583 example 2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714262 example 3], where we're forced to misclassify what is clearly a serial installment. I don't see a downside to lifting the exclusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Because allowing SERIALs in books at all is a relatively new development. It used to be magazines and fanzines only. Then we allowed chapbooks. I think we should allow it in anthologies, novels and collections as well - especially because Magazines reprints are added as anthologies/collections AND because in our digital world, serials are used as bonus almost anywhere. Post over on R&S and we can hash it out and change the rules for serials. One thing to make sure we clearly separate - excerpts vs serials (it is intent that separates them essentially) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Moonchasers TP ==<br />
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I've done a lot of Ed Gorman edits recently and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334, is a problem because the HC is & on the title page but no photos of the TP title page can be found. Does anyone own the TP? I've got a half-dozen edits on hold because mod won't change unless I show that it's & in the TP title, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sword & Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33789; Some weeks-old edit of mine was finally approved, fixing an artist's name in one of these issues, but now that I look at the series page something's not right. Why do only the last 2 issues have a comma after the issue #? Also, is the # really supposed to be in any of them instead of in the notes? Isn't that magazine policy there? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: The title records reflected the individual publication titles since they hadn't been 'rolled up' by year. I took care of that.<br />
: Regarding the comma:<br />
:* The placement of the comma, in a periodical title, controls what is displayed in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?33789 issue grid]. Basically, everything after the first comma appears in the grid except the year as long as it matches the date field. If the year differs, it will also be displayed. Notice how the issue number doesn't appear in the two titles you question.<br />
:* Yes, current policy is to show the issue number in the publication notes. 21:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Flashing Swords! Help ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8495; I've just added Archive.org links in (pending) edits to #1 (2 Doubleday), #2 (Mayflower), #3 (2 Dell), #4 (2 1977 Doubleday), and #5 (Doubleday). Now there are some issues. Some people unnecessarily entered the series title in the book title, others didn't; some people entered Roman numerals in the page count, others didn't; some people entered the book title as it appears on the title page, others didn't. Also, #3 doesn't have the Doubleday book club edition entered; #'s 1, 2, and 4 have the book club dates as earlier than the Dell PB dates but #5 has both as the same date, so it's possible that the story dates for #3 are wrong because the book club edition was probably published earlier. There are many PV for all volumes so if any of them would like to add/fix anything it would help. EDIT: The only thing I fixed was importing Carter's essay in #1, "A Last Word", to the Doubleday edition; it was only entered here in the Dell edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Backward(s) ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?93690; I just stumbled across a copy of Mitchell's Crystal Man which was uploaded in June of 2022 so I added a link and the missing page numbers to the many stories included in that book, but I noticed 1 story, "The Clock That Went Backwards", is actually "Backward". According to ISFDB the only instances of the singular title are the original, uncredited appearance in a newspaper and reprints in various books starting in 2013. So when my edit is approved that story needs merging with the singular or removing/adding the singular or whatever needs doing; the question now is if it really was the plural in the many books it appeared in between the above collection in 1973 and 2013. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, Pwendt. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:23, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Secret Asia's Blackest Heart ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855765; Something in the recent edits accidentally led me to this and some of those titles are already on ISFDB, specifically the Webb which was published in 2014 as "U-PAO. The Black Sutra", the Blackmore which is in 3 separate books on ISFDB starting in 2007, not 2009, and the Carter/Cornford story which is under the same title in 3 merged publications but its appearance in this book wasn't merged even though the editor did at least date it correctly as 1997. Person who entered it hasn't responded to anything for a long time so if anyone owns a copy a lot of re-dating/re-titling/merging is probably in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Borgo Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5592414; One of those annoying situations where they include both editions but don't specify which it is. Was it Borgo's style to print the correct barcode in red as it appears on the back cover in the Archive.org copy or is that totally unrelated and somebody just felt like coloring it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== O.J.'s Nightmare ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1706087; Willem and Bob PV separate editions, pretty sure it should be David, also could be related to other artists named Bowers, first name starts with D, here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Maelstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593175; A challenge to anyone who can find a bigger cover image and replace mine. This anthology has been on ISFDB for years and there are a few online mentions of it including Locus where the contents came from but, as can be seen in the notes, it seems to have either been barely published or not at all. While on an archived author's site I was trying to get info from there was an image in her bibliography of this book so I uploaded the .jpg, but it was very tiny and after blowing it up as big as allowable here the author names are illegible. The title and cover art still come through nicely, though. Maybe someone here actually owns a copy (HA!)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 26 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Further Adventures of Batman Printing Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34733; https://archive.org/details/furtheradventure00gree; There's a bit of confusion here. The original printing was July, PV Vasha77 did the 2nd printing but made an error by entering the month based on an ad on the last page which says 10/87 when the book was obviously published in '89, Archive copy above is a 3rd printing not on ISFDB with that same ad but 2 pages before it is an ad for G.R.R. Martin's Wild Cards with 7/89 on it. So since PV is gone and it was transient anyway I suggest we change month of 2nd to July also and then enter the 3rd with that month, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Goldstrom ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25621; My edit making R. Goldstrom an alternate of Robert was just approved but I see there's 2 separate credits for Skeleton-in-Waiting. I think they need merging or something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
: Merged, as you correctly pointed out. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:05, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Davis Grubb Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5783; I've done a few edits for his rare 1978 collection Siege of 318 and recently stumbled on the fact that the title story was a retitled reprint of "Cry Havoc", which is why both have a 1976 date here. I've made a variant but I am suspicious that "The Idiots" from the 1976 horror anthology Frights and "The Idiot" are the same, too. Does anyone own a copy who can compare the 2 stories? Frights has an Archive.org link so story is readable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Content sections of Clone/Import/Export upgraded ==<br />
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The Content sections of Clone/Import/Export Publication post-submission pages have been upgraded. Rows can now display multiple yellow warnings per row. Yellow warnings are now more specific, telling you which authors they refer to. Auto-merge rows no longer warn you about disambiguated/alternate author/artist names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 28 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Changing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36975; I added LCCN ID and noticed 244 pages which is a lot different than 320. No online copies I can see so if anyone owns this can you check page count and fix if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Derek Neville ==<br />
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https://kylerader.net/2014/12/30/ghost-box-a-discussion-with-author-derek-neville/; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?161858; I suspected the short story was not by the old Neville; there's a guy with the same name who self-published Ghost Box, which isn't on ISFDB but should be, but the only mentions of that name and the short story's title are our site and this, https://kristipetersenschoonover.com/2015/01/12/shitty-almonds-now-available-in-bugs-teaser-toc-here/. So story author should probably get a (I) after their name or something to differ them but unsure whether the same Neville wrote Ghost Box, although it seems likely. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?359885 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:57, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::Needs space after 1st period of artist to make it the same as artist already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Looks like that was handled as I can't see what you mean. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:41, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::::Scifibones fixed it today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 2 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== 1995 SPGA Showcase ==<br />
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http://www.locusmag.com/index/t742.htm#A37177; The Goldman story has the right original date on ISFDB but no mention of where it came from so I entered the info that it originally came from this anthology; the Everson story has the wrong date (2007), a different title ("Warming the Women"), and no mention of where it came from, so I added where it came from but didn't change date or title because it may have the same title in the anthology and should be merged or it really is different in which case it would be a variant; the Jacob story already has a note here about where it first came from. The Danley work being a story is suspicious because all his works (as Robert C. Danley) on ISFDB are poems; it's also weird that Locus listed all the poems after the stories instead of listing everything in order. So on the very slim chance that anyone owns the anthology some fixes would probably be needed after entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938058 that anthology here]. If it turns out the Danley work is actually a poem, we can easily change it. In the meantime, it's listed now. I also varianted the Everson story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:37, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Phantom Fango Edit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5595657; I'm confused about something. I haven't looked at any Fangoria issues for a long time, while doing Drake Douglas edits I noticed he had 1 review for a book by himself, I knew he probably wouldn't review his own book and found it was just an entry mistake and it was actually Stanley Wiater, who did the other reviews in that issue; I asked PV about it and they responded but didn't indicate they were going to fix it themselves, but now I see that it was changed to the correct reviewer but I don't see where that was done by anyone in the review record or issue record. Am I missing something? I assume I can just cancel my edit now, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: Look at the last edit to the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?841501 publication] containing the review. Yes, go ahead and cancel your submission. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:11, 1 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Anthony Izzo Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597760; I'm not sure what's going on here. I thought this novel was not on ISFDB because the title was not in the author's record but after entering a new record the ISBN is a duplicate of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99881. Izzo mentions the title change here, https://www.anthonyizzo.com/post/author-anthony-izzo-s-latest-thriller-novel. So the existing record seems to have been entered from pre-release info on Amazon, maybe, before the title was changed. So what's to be done? Delete Unforgiven? It has a "P" cover image, wrong format, old ISBN-10 instead of ISBN-13 for a 2007 book, etc. (also see my note in Evil Harvest about confusion with ISBN-13, too). Or leave it and make the 2 titles alternates? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:06, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:Evil Harvest edit was just approved; still awaiting reply on what should be done here. Anyone? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Beehive Book Award ==<br />
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The [http://www.claubeehive.org/about-the-beehive-book-awards.html Beehive Book Award] given out by the Children's Literature Association of Utah in the following categories:<br />
*Children's Fiction (chapter books)<br />
*Picture Books<br />
*Informational Books<br />
*Poetry<br />
*Graphic Novels<br />
*Young Adult Fiction<br />
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The books nominated and awarded are not limited to those by Utahns, though. It's voted on by children in the state of Utah from a list of nominees submitted by volunteers. It covers more than just speculative fiction works, but there are quite a few speculative fiction authors whose works have been nominated and/or won over the years. See the lists [http://www.claubeehive.org/past-winners--nominees.html here]. I'll be happy to populate the award if it's added. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see all the usual suspects: Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander, Jane Yolen, Ursula Vernon, Brandon Mull, etc. Looks legitimate to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?102 Done.] Sorry, I forgot all about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Roofworld Arrow Edition ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282; In tribute to Christopher Fowler, who just died, I started to add as much info as I could to his books and almost immediately ran into trouble. I added an Archive.org link to the original Ballantine edition but there's also an Arrow edition; however, there's 2 records here with one being entered in the very early days of this site and PV by a long-gone person while the other is much more fleshed out but not PV. Which should be kept and given the link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:They look like they are probably duplicates of each other. Anyone else have any different thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:51, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The "September 1989" pub was verified against the [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b177.htm#A2341 Locus Index], which says:<br />
::* Roofworld (Legend 0-09-962340-4, Sep ’89 [Aug ’89], £3.99, 396pp, pb) Reprint (Ballantine/Legend 1988) sf novel.<br />
:: It would appear that "September 1989" comes from Locus. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== What The F ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fer+ward&type=Name; Unusual situation here where one would assume the second name is wrong but that's actually her name; the first name only has 1 credit and searching Amazon Look Inside it does say Jennifer on contents page but typing Jenniffer gets 1 hit, so possibly it's spelled correctly at the head of the story in case anyone who has an Amazon account can verify and fix/variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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: In [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553261 ''Dreamless''], it's "Jenniffer Wardell" on the cover, on the copyright page and on the title page. The "Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data" section says that she was born in 1981. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:30, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
::A full view on Amazon inside the book in which her name was entered here as Jennifer is needed because her real name per online info is Jenniffer and while contents page of that book says Jennifer a search inside gets a hit for Jenniffer, so I don't want a false variant name created (there's already way too many of those here) if it really should just have an "f" added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 4 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Searching the Amazon Look Inside for {{P|577626|100 Worlds}} shows that the "Object Lesson" title page uses "Jennifer Wardell". The "About the Author" does list her as "Jenniffer", but we enter per the title page. I have created an alternate name and varianted the story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Baen vs. Baen Books ==<br />
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We have separate publisher listings for Baen and Baen Books. The top of both these records has "Do NOT merge this with [other version], there are two completely different timeframes and three different logos". However,<br />
*{{Pubr|38|Baen}} has books from 1984 - 2023<br />
*{{Pubr|55837|Baen Books}} has books from 1985 - 1992, 1995 - 1996, 2004 - 2006, 2022 - 2023<br />
So we are not separating them out as per the note. I don't see the need to have separate versions as we already normalize minor changes in publisher names and that information can easily be handled in a note. However, if we are going to have separate versions, then the time ranges should be added to the notes and the relevant books updated appropriately. The editor who added the note is no longer active so cannot ask them about it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:22, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
: I would draw a parallel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?37 Ace Books], with multiple addresses and ownership detailed in a separate ISFDB [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publisher:Ace wiki page]. I also see no reason beyond whether they care credited differently in the books (Baen vs. Baen Books) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:00, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: A couple of thoughts. First, spot-checking some recently published Baen books, I see that they apparently use "Baen Books" and "Baen" interchangeable. For example, the copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929303 ''Dead Man Walking''], which was published on 2023-02-07, says:<br />
::* A Baen Book<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* First Baen Printing<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: The copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?931957 ''What Price Victory?''], which was published on the same day, says:<br />
::* A Baen Books Original<br />
::* Baen Publishing Enterprises<br />
::* Electronic version by Baen Books<br />
:: Note the use of "A Baen Book" in the first case and "A Baen Books Original" in the second case. The lack of the word "Original" in ''Dead Man Walking'' is due to the fact that it's a US reprint of a UK book, but otherwise "Baen" and "Baen Books" are used interchangeably.<br />
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:: Second, in an ideal world, we would capture two separate values: "publisher name as stated in the publication" and "canonical name of the publisher"; it would be similar to the way we treat variant titles and canonical names. Since we don't have this functionality implemented, I think it would be best to merge the two publisher records. Updating Notes would be nice, but, given the mixed use of the two names (as seen above), it may be more hassle that it's worth. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:43, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:::What does it state on the title page, though? We generally go with that over what it states on the copyright page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:31, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Unfortunately, Amazon.com's Look Inside tends to use e-books' data for paper editions and e-books don't always have clearly defined title pages. I have many older Baen books in my paper collection, but nothing recent, so I can't check. For what it's worth, Look Inside shows that the two pubs linked above do not mentions the publisher in the "title page" sections. The sections immediately below them say "BAEN BOOKS by [author name]: [list of titles]", but that doesn't clarify things. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:13, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::All of the recent ones I have just have the Baen logo at the bottom of the title page, so I'd go with "Baen". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions tweaked ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions have been adjusted to display more information about the title record that the new publication will be merged with. The "auto-merge" line now displays the same title information, including variant/translation data, that is displayed in the Contents sections of Publication pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:19, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dash or 00 ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Dark_Carnival_Date; Re: this discussion, do any experts here know of a way to automatically change all LCCN entered on this site, pre-whatever the date was when they changed from using a dash to zeros, from zeros to dash? I just enter them as they are on their site but, even though it makes no real difference because links lead to the records whether they have dashes or zeros, it would be better, I suppose, to have them as they appear in the books. Now all this is assuming that all pre-change LCCN had dashes and all post-change LCCN have zeroes, which I'm sure isn't true, but anyway I thought I'd ask. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Vuk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kostic&type=Name; Vuk Kostic and Vukkostic are the same, I assume, 1 says Serbian and the other English, in case anyone wants to decide which should be the parent and which the variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:51, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Day Khrus(h)chev Panicked ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1618562; Did some edits a long time ago, came across it again today and added cover images and LCCN ID to both HC, Brits spelled name in title without a middle H, Yanks with a middle H. I fixed that for Cassell (title page seen on Cracabond Books, a site I don't think I've ever heard of before), Random House title page on Google confirms the middle H, Macfadden in Google Images confirms the middle H, if Digit title page can be seen then we'll know all and main title can be changed and American editions' title can be a variant (there's also a UK Ensign edition on AbeBooks without the middle H on the cover, so I think it's safe to say American H, British no H). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stained-Glass World ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; I added a bunch of Kenneth Bulmer edits yesterday, and this, the last one, was just adding an Archive.org link, but then I noticed the month doesn't match the one in the note. I asked RTrace since I saw his name at the top of the edit history but he was no help, and of the PV the first guy's dead, the next 3 are gone (probably), and the last guy is still around but doesn't seem interested much in this site these days, so maybe Glenn is the only one who may respond helpfully; why is the month, which does say July in the book, April on this site? Fix needed IMO. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub post-submission pages enhanced ==<br />
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Post-submission pages for AddPub/NewPub/ClonePub submissions have been enhanced.<br />
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AddPub/ClonePubs pages now display a yellow warning if the title type of the associated title record has been changed since the submission was created. The "Title Data" section of NewPub/AddPub pages has been standardized to use the same fields, field names and field order as EditTitles' post-submission pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:08, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== "Disambiguated author" yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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Post-submission yellow warnings for disambiguated authors have been upgraded. They now use the same algorithm as "There are other authors with the same name" displayed at the top of Summary pages.<br />
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This means that "A" will no longer be erroneously reported as a disambiguated name based on the existence of "A (W) Hendry". It also means that "Stephen King (I)" or "G. S. (artist)" will generate yellow warnings informing the reviewing moderator that they are disambiguated names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:00, 7 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request == <br />
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Hello,<br />
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with around 10.000 changes to ISFDB since 2013 and also lots of source-code contributions I did really a lot for ISFDB and very seldom my edits have been rejected. As nowadays it takes extremely long to moderate submissions I'd like to have Self-Approver state. Hopefully that also leads to me adding a lot of my own books which I skipped until now.<br />
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As is probably known I'm not 100% happy with the way ISFDB works but adhere to the given rules. Thus I'll not use any additional rights I get to do more than now, but restrict my Self-Approver privilege to situations which I think consensus exists (misjudgment in individual cases included :-). For changes which could be troublesome I'd leave these submissions for other moderators to review (I assume that's still possible?).<br />
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--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 07:33, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, Dirk! Alas, I do have some reservation about that privilege: while you did quite a lot of valuable source-code contributions, I have the feeling that many (if not all) of your publication additions to the database lack the quality we usually try to achieve, especially in sourcing the data (that is: giving the sources for the date of publication and the art credit; I personally think that also statements for the edition - first [language, tp, pb, hc, ...] would be welcome). <br />
:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938811 Here] is a quite recent example (this one also has a seemingly wrong format, since the vast majority of publications by this publisher with the same format are defined as pb). Many of your added / verified publications have stub notes or none at all, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430657 this one]. (Also, many verified pub.s have missing or erroneous publication series, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?807320 this] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?729179 this], the first example being again a stub record). <br />
:On the whole, most seem somewhat hastily added, and I'd like to see some more quality in added and especially PV'd publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:42, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Yes. I usually only add the minimum amount, because it's simply to much hassle to get it correct with a turnaround of multiple days for a change. It takes weeks to enter a single book correctly, especially as there is no preview feature yet and I have to redo everything when I make an error. Thus I only add the information which is required and important, nothing else. I certainly don't add all the information which it seems you find is necessary in the notes, but I add all the relevant information and I don't add wrong information. In the examples you showed there is no error: The example books you choose are tp and not pb. The publication series for Bastei is still a somewhat strange thing and not really visible in the books. The older books I added thus wont have them right simply because this "right" changed over the years. For new entries I try to follow whatever seems currently used in ISFDB. P.S. As already said multiple times - ISFDB has a large amount of errors in non-verified and verified publications (also errors which have been introduced to my verified books which have been correct when I entered the information). When the threshold to participate is too high that also wont change. I tried to help fix the software for this but the attempt didn't work out. I see that a small part of my ideas have be implemented in the last years, but nothing game-changing. Maybe to give you a note what I actually talk about: I own ~2300 SF and F books, 825 of these I verified in ISDFB, 787 more exist in ISFDB often with missing information or missing the exact copy I have. 685 are missing totally. I simply did not add them yet and instead do my own database. BTW Some errors also come from different moderators of the time: One moderator forced me to do one thing, the next exactly the opposite. And I always complied even if it did not make sense. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: '''Comment''': I haven't done much work on the submission queue lately, so I'll abstain. To answer the question raised in the last sentence, if a self-approver leaves a submission in the queue, it can be reviewed and approved/rejected by a moderator. However, submissions by self-approvers are color-coded and moderators tend to leave them alone because the presumption is that the self-approver is taking a break and will be back later. Of course, a self-approver can create a submission, leave it in the queue and then ask about it on the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Maybe there should be a flag "please review" to turn off the color code? I actually appreciate in other environments when you have the chance to let somebody else review your stuff even when you yourself could approve it. For the easy cases you approve directly wheres for others you seek per-review. It's a concept which I e.g. are very happy with in software update submissions for openSUSE Linux distribution. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:33, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fixed Story Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Great_Disciple; Maybe I'm not being clear or something, but I'm not getting the answer I'm looking for so maybe someone else can help me. I did a bunch of edits for Bruce Publishing books and this one required more work, using the copy on Google Books, because story titles, I assume taken from Locus, were wrong in 6 cases (and 1 was missing entirely), from missing articles to completely wrong. I fixed them but now that it's been approved the 6 parent stories still have the wrong titles. That can't be right, most of the author's obscure religious stories didn't appear in any genre works and the 2 that did had the right titles (although 1 of them, "The Hound of Cullen", isn't in this collection so now I'm suspicious because it has a 1951 date on ISFDB but appeared in F&SF in 1953, so I wonder if the missing story I entered, "The End of Coo-Cullen", is that story retitled) so there's no variant, so how can I get both author names to show the correct titles? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You would have received the answer you were looking for had you told the reviewer; "The titles were only published under an alternate name so there is no reason the canonical name titles should differ." To correct, simply edit the canonical name titles and make the same corrections. However, I question whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106837 William Bernard Ready] should even be the canonical name. I don't see a single title published using that name. I would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13494 W. B. Ready] the canonical name with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?101925 William Ready] an alternate. This would obviate the need for the above edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:39, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Which Henry Holt? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601243; This is the 2nd time recently that this moderator has rejected edit(s) of mine while telling me to ask PV first when I clearly did that in both cases. This one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731, was asked about here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Swfritter#A_Month_of_Mystery, but I just decided to cancel it because trying to fix the countless verified editions of books that are clearly book club editions but not identified as such by the PV is too much for me to handle so I've decided to not do those kinds of edits anymore, but as for the 2 edits at the top of this message there's no reason for them to be rejected because as I explained here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Henry_Holt, this publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311, only has a few entries including those 1990's books entered recently by the same PV, while this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86, has almost all their books including pretty much everything published between 1986 and 2023, as is clearly explained in the note at the top of the page where it says they reverted back to that name in 1986. The 2 PV books say Henry Holt and Company on the title page so if we're going by what they actually say it wouldn't match any publisher currently on ISFDB. Standardization, right? Isn't that what mods are always saying, don't enter multiple publisher names? I think those 2 should be un-rejected. If not, I'd hate to see how many of the hundreds of "Henry Holt" books currently on ISFDB would need to be changed to "Henry Holt and Company". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:48, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
:You're mischaracterizing this a bit. In both cases, you submitted the edit before receiving a response from the primary verifier. Changing the name of the publisher is a major change to a publication record and should not be done without the prior assent of all active verifiers. Worse, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731 this submission] would have replaced the record for the trade edition with one for a book club edition, effectively deleting the record for the trade edition from the database. I explained this in the rejection note, and again when you [[User talk:Rtrace#MoM|objected]] on my talk page and I am explaining it for a third time here. I also explained in all these places that you need to get a response from the verifiers before submitting the original edit. Now, whether a title page stating "Henry Holt and Company" should be reflected as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86 Henry Holt], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311 Henry Holt & Co.] or a new publisher is an open question. However, it is still necessary to have a dialog with the verifiers before changing those records. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 8 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== FOCUS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?37441; I believe we have 4 separate publishers here: A German one, a British one (reprint of HC de la Mare book), an imprint based in Massachusetts who did Shakespeare, and a kid's book which maybe should have a different publisher, Tyndale, because it says "Focus on the Family" on the cover so Focus is more likely to be a series. In case anyone cares to differ them in some way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon UK ==<br />
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In this case, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312797, is it OK to replace the price and enter a link to this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22560761M/The_monsterologist, since there's no UK price and editor just entered the price from Amazon? This happens a lot. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== For those interested in Lovecraft and Winnie the Pooh ==<br />
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I ran across [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hemelein/the-horror-at-pooh-corner this Kickstarter] which combines the two. The anthology won't be out for about a year, but it's something to look forward to (I backed it). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:24, 10 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== R. Dickerson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dickers&type=Name; Russell has many interviews, Russ has 1 which has an alternate because of a language note or something. So 1 of those should be a variant of Russell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:47, 11 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Karloff the Editor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35824; A copy of Avon was just uploaded on Archive.org so I added a link, also added C to the price for the other (Canadian) Avon, added the month to the regular title since Avon was first edition, added other countries' prices to Corgi from back cover seen on FantLab, but most significantly added introduction to Souvenir based on photo on FantLab. It's not in Avon so it seems they added it for British editions; however, the only evidence here is in that Portugal edition where it says Introdução. So when my edits are approved that probably should be made a variant of Introduction and if anyone owns the British paperbacks the introduction is probably in those, too, and should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== De Grote Horror Omnibus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175406; Just uploaded is this, https://archive.org/search?query=grote-horror, which seems to be a German edition of the Signet omnibus, in case any German/German-fluent person wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== C. Anderson ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=craig&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=anderson&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I added OL ID to Science Fiction Films of the Seventies some time ago and today came across it again and added Archive.org link; I noticed cover artist might be the same as the author and there's another similar name, all linked above, in case anyone knows if they're all the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Maureen F. McHugh's The Cost to Be Wise - novelette or novella? ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?59780 This] is categorized as a novelette, but it was nominated for 3 different awards in the novella category. If I look at the page counts in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347490 The Mammoth Book of Best Short SF Novels], it shows as 45 pages, which is the same as the following story - Greg Egan's Oceanic - which is categorized as a novella. (The rest of those "short novels" are all categorized as novellas, but they have longer page counts.) Google search results for 'mchugh "the cost to be wise"' followed by "novella" or "novelette" also indicate it is considered to be the former.<br />
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There are over a dozen verified pubs containing this story (which distill down to the 1996 Starlight anthology it appeared in, the 1997 Dozois Year's Best, a 2005 author collection, a Lightspeed mag special issue, and the aforementioned Dozois "short novel" anthology), so I'm wary of changing the type without some sort of discussion or second opinion. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I happen to have one of the anthologies as an ebook. After converting it to TXT and removing the other stories, the table of contents, etc, I see that the text contains 19,500 words if you count the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. If there are no dissenting voices here, I propose to make the novelette->novella switch in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: With a confirmed length, noone can object :) Add a note on the approximate length and change it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:02, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Just to close this off, the switch to novella has now been done. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:31, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Derleth's Sleeping ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606597; Almost missed this rare one uploaded on Archive.org because they're doing something weird where the upload date is different than the added date which is causing a lot of confusion; anyway, PV is a bit...testy judging by my last contact with them, so I'm dry-running this here before letting them know of my changes. Does anyone see anything wrong with my edit? Title as it is on title page, spurious subtitle moved to notes, FantLab ID because it shows cover that coverless copy doesn't, etc. Also, I checked the Four Square abridgement on Dalby's site and it says "AND", not "&", on title page, so variants needed? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526; I see I added copy link and FantLab ID recently but now I've added LCCN ID, while noticing intro is dated with signed date instead of book date, something I've seen many times before, probably done by a specific editor who thought that's how it was supposed to be, so if it's not right one of the PV should fix the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606943; More title fixing; PB edition was recently uploaded so I made an edit adding link for that and title is "AND", not "&", on title page, so more variants needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== EditPub yellow warnings upgraded ==<br />
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All yellow warnings displayed in New Cover Art, New Regular Titles, New Reviews and New Interviews tables within the "Content" section of EditPub post-submission pages have been upgraded. They now use the same enhanced functionality already available on other post-submission pages.<br />
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At this point the only tables still using the old functionality and table layout are the 4 "Modified Cover/Regular Titles/Reviews/Interviews" tables in EditPub. As always, if you come across anything unexpected or erroneous, please post your findings here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: There was a flaw in the last patch. The 4 "New" tables no longer display a yellow warning if the publication date hasn't been changed and the new title date is after the publication date. I am working on a fix. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:39, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 13 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: When you get a moment, please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607440 this submission]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:07, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for reporting the problem. It happens when magazine pubs are cloned. Working on it... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:53, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:44, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Hauck ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck; I came across this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22compagnie+des+fees%22, and since many of these foreign editions have page counts off by a page or two on ISFDB because of unnumbered final page(s) I checked this one; page count was correct but the note about names on back cover was not. Heading off to ask the editor who entered the book I see that he's totally done with this site judging by the big red message on his board. So does anyone else own a copy? I think I'll do an advanced search and see what other books they PV; since they're not going to answer any questions maybe I can improve things a bit myself, add some links, etc. I'm sure some people here know what went wrong, so if anyone would like to give any details I'd be curious to know what caused Hauck to leave. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: [[User:Hauck]] left the project in June 2018 after [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck/Archive16#Award_for_Paradiso this discussion]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:00, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Wow. The comparisons to Nazi Germany may have been a bit much. I asked because he responded to 3 messages from 2 editors last June to tell them not to bother because he's un-verifying his PV's. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::"'''the note about names on back cover was not'''", perhaps should yo try a bit harder... ([https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fe/Lcddf.jpg]). {{unsigned|Hauck}}<br />
::::I think you meant "you should", not "should yo". If you look at the back cover of the Archive.org copy you'll see no names, so it's likely tight framing on the right side that cut them off rather than it being some variant without the names. Also, I put brackets around your image link because the giant image was taking too much space. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 15 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Skeleton Crew Editions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36904; There is the original hardcover at the top and at the bottom there's another by Putnam (should probably be G. P. Putnam's Sons like the original) which says it's from the Stephen King Library. The PV of that edition, AnimeBill, entered it in the very early days here and has been gone for many years, so no use asking them about this, https://archive.org/details/skeletoncrew0000unse. I thought it might be PV edition but now I'm thinking it may actually be a book club edition of the original since there's no number line. Is anyone here familiar with these editions who knows if there's some way to identify which edition the Archive.org copy is so it can be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn of the Dead ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609977; I recently added the original Sphere edition with no A. in author's name but looking further I see it wasn't there in the original, either. Also, the price was wrong, and the title date is 4 months earlier than the book date while Open Library says December. I thought I had trouble fixing all the later editions some time ago but this is ridiculous. So let's try to find out which, if any, editions use A. on the title page and what the real month of publication was so that can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== H(elmut) Wenske ==<br />
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FantLab has a page for this artist and they say he did cover art for Night Chills, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23919, but besides a Flickr page nobody else credits him online and there's no credit in the book or signature on the cover that I can see. Another 1975 Avon book, Harvest of Fear, does have a Wenske cover which is a variant of an older cover for something else, so either FantLab confused the 2 books or the Night Chills cover is another variant of some older cover. Anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== New Infinities ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=new+inf&type=Publisher; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611320; One of the few from this publisher with no PV, I changed publisher to what it says in the book, this was discussed long ago but I think now would be a good time to decide on standard names, there are some books published just by New Infinities with BSM on cover (Berkley), who were just the distributor, while later ones have the Ace symbol on the cover and they're also mentioned on the copyright page. So, assuming all books say New Infinities Productions on title page and not just New Infinities, I think older ones should be New Infinities Productions (like the 3 Swycaffer books already are) and later ones should be New Infinities Productions / Ace. What do you think? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611351; Some of their books didn't even have the publisher on the title page. Also, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Death-G-Gygax/dp/044175676X, which has some ID number on the upper left; British edition or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:08 and 11:28''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: ''This section divided in two, by reference to [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB%3ACommunity_Portal&type=revision&diff=658024&oldid=658022 Differences between revisions 11:28 and 11:33] (personally unfamiliar with these coverart archives). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:08, 18 March 2023 (EDT)''<br />
=== SFE-hosted images at /nicholls/ ===<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611356; Is it possible to get "nicholls" images supported at SFE? Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:33''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: It's my understanding that the reason that SFE-hosted images are stored in different subdirectories like "nicholls" is that they were donated to SFE with different stipulations and caveats attached. Some of the stipulations may persist after the death of the person after whom the subdirectory was originally named. Last time I checked with the SF administrator, which was just a month or two ago, "nicholls"-hosted images were still off-limits. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Link for uploading author picture ==<br />
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Publications have a handy link that allows uploading of a new cover image. Can we have one of those for people, too, and have it preload the fair use author image template? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: I can't think of a reason not to add one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Contents Question ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5613311; Should those 2 collection titles in the contents be removed after approval? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: No, they belong. Pipes will be needed to ensure they remain in the proper positions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:24, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Oops. Sorry, pipes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Chapbook: Non-genre, juvenile, etc ==<br />
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Replying to my userspace inquiry last fortnight, Rtrace observed that the Non-Genre flag for CHAPBOOK title records has an important function governing layout. All chapbooks flagged "Non-Genre" are listed below the line at the bottom of an author's Summary Bibliography. Juvenile, Novelization, and Graphic Format probably have no such function.<br />
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There is a cleanup report "CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION Juvenile Flag Mismatches", maintained at length near zero; by inference I have flagged a few chapbooks Juvenile, and probably missed a few. This feels like a good time to ask about all four flags {Non-Genre, Juvenile, Novelization, Graphic Format}. Should all four be aligned for chapbook and its shortfiction content? And, anyway, does the guideline do what we think it should?<br />
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Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length. We have more than 100 chapbooks, but less than 200, for each of Non-Genre, Novelization, Graphic. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:30, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: The numbers are not unexpected-- non-genre and graphic chapbooks will be here ONLY if they are from above threshold authors and even for them, we don't really go out of our way to find and add them. Same applies for noveliazations - most are either novels or not published on their own - most of the ones we have as chapbooks are the current "juvenile" ones of various movies.<br />
: I tend to align them completely when I am adding them - a new (and sometimes not so new) user of the system don't necessarily understand that they need to scroll down to the short stories section OR click on the short story in the search results so not setting these on the chapbook is counterproductive. So having both entries carry the flags makes it easier for a user to find what they are looking for. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:48, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: As I recall, we had this discussion on the Rules and Standards page a few years ago. The consensus seemed to be that our "chapbooks" are basically single-story collections, so the same rules should be applied. Since we would flag a collection as "juvenile", "novelization", etc as appropriate, we should do the same to chapbook titles. We also discussed creating additional cleanup reports to reconcile the flags between chapbook containers and their short fiction titles.<br />
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:: Re: "Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length", that is because the ISFDB software won't let you specify a "length" value for anything other than SHORTFICTION titles. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Grant Allen, Backslider ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=backslider&type=All+Titles; I just imported 15 stories into 100 Menacing Little Murder Stories, one of those reprint Barnes & Noble anthologies, and while doing that noticed something else. The uncredited "Backslider" (issue's on Google Books) and the story by Grant Allen are the same story! So what's the procedure, which I'm never clear about: Make the uncredited a variant of Allen and make both the same date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, variant the uncredited version to the Allen version and give the parent the date of first printing. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:49, 19 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Davies Reborn ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3342; I did a bunch of edits for books in F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle, and while Reprisal and Nightworld used the same art for HC and PB Brit editions the first book's Brit HC used the same art as the American Jove PB which was published first according to ISFDB, but that doesn't make sense because Davies was a Brit illustrator (and nobody's credited in the Jove, anyway), so I suspect Brit HC was published first, in case anyone can figure this out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== An Account Above Burnside Park ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=burnside+park&type=All+Titles; Someone entered Farah as Farrah incorrectly, as a check of the TP on Amazon reveals it's Farah, but a search of the title on ISFDB also reveals that the author published the story originally under another name in a magazine she edits. So if anyone wants to decide what to do with all this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bookscans HTTP, HTTPS ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5614823; I thought the recently uploaded Archive.org copy would just be the original of the fully-readable one uploaded some time ago but no, it's 2 distinct copies, so I added a link and while doing so noticed the cover image had the old "Fatcow" URL which Bookscans used to use, of which there are 8 still on ISFDB (7 when my edit is approved), and also the fact that the old URL is https while the new one is http but new cover shows just fine unlike, say, Galactic Central where all their http images are broken. What's the difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Unlike Galactic Central, Bookscans has a valid HTTPS certificate. This is why you can connect to https://bookscans.com/Database.htm, but if you try to connect to https://www.philsp.com/ your browser will display an error like "Secure Connection Failed".<br />
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: That said, once a Web site has a valid HTTPS certificate, it still needs to be configured to support HTTPS. Ideally, it will transparently redirect HTTP URLs to their matching HTTPS counterparts the way we do. Bookscans' HTTPS configuration appears to be incomplete, but I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Sometimes a Web site's data is spread across multiple computers and/or multiple domains, which makes it harder to get everything to work transparently. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:06, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== LAF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537; The first one has a couple of active PV so I'm going to ask about this; I recently added cover artist in a pending edit to Without Warning by Fern Michaels, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537, with the same initials on the cover. So the King monkey art was also done by Lisa Falkenstern. EDIT: A copy of Fantasy Annual III was just uploaded and while adding a link in an edit I noticed she did the cover for that, too, but signed it L. Falkenstern. Also, #5 has no art credit so I wonder if she did that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star SF Stories #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089; 6 PV, 5 active, none noticed the cover is wrong and is actually from a later edition, any objection if I replace it with the right cover, 96, here, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/ballantine/ballantine02.htm? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:47, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
: Talk to the 5 active PVs. If you submit a replacement, it will be held until you talk to them or it will be rejected with an advice to talk to them. If you want, point them to this topic but don't expect people to monitor CP about their verified books. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:49, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::You can talk to them individually if you want. I don't plan on fixing anything until at least 1 of them responds; if it was 2 I probably would do it on their boards but not for 5. Most don't respond to anything or have the same answer about going to hospital/coming out of hospital, I can't check because I'm about to move/just finished moving, or some variant of "how dare you imply that I did something wrong". So if 1 or more of them see it here, the board most people check, great, if not, who cares, the book's been here for years and years and nobody besides me noticed the very obvious fact that the cover isn't for this edition because it has a totally different price and ID, most are too busy working on ephemeral e-books and don't care about the old print books anymore (besides me and a few others) judging by how much info here is wrong that I've had to fix over the last 2+ years. Try responding to one of my many questions on these boards with something useful that I can use to fix or add info with instead of coming out of the woodwork once in a blue moon so you can complain about something trivial. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: It would have taken you less time to post to the PVs pages and point them here than to write this. But everyone chooses how to spend their own time on the project. <br />
::: You asked about objections, I posted an objection, explaining clearly that such a change cannot be approved and a recommendation on how that objection can be overcome so a submission can be approved. It may not be useful to you because it does not agree with your thinking but it is how the project works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: I'm not here often, but I try to respond to whatever's on my page. I did not notice the cover was off when verifying, but can upload a fresh scan of my edition now when it's been pointed out. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:33, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Done. Waiting for approval. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] ([[User talk:Spacecow|talk]]) 05:55, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:31, 22 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Song of the Earth ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5617672; It's Royo as cover artist in both, Luis is wrong, in case anyone wants to fix that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== McBride Cover Artists Of Thorne Smith ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709359; [https://www.pbagalleries.com/images/lot/1139/113941_0.jpg]; SFE just upped cover of 1926 edition of Topper, I added artist C. V. Farrow, this is the other McBride Thorne Smith book, signature in the grass on right corner that looks like F. Rogers, can't nail it down anywhere, someone here may know who it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Tomato Cain ==<br />
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I was just about to sign off for the night when I saw a new edition of Nigel Kneale's collection Tomato Cain on SFE, https://sf-encyclopedia.com/gallery.php?filter=link:kneale_nigel&slide=6, but OL only has this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL38018073M/Tomato_Cain_and_Other_Stories_Hb, by Gratis Kneale (?!?) Was this ever published? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 23 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Marcy/Dean ==<br />
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https://hellnotes.com/interview-with-dean-italiano-author-of-the-starving-queen/; I've been adding lots of author photos and other stuff from the old Cosmos Books site and this one is a bit tricky, because he used to be she, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34089. Whatever the rules are for that here; I vaguely recall some discussion about this months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 24 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-Moderation Request - Welo==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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i'm asking for self-moderation privileges.<br />
Actually i wouldn't need it, i'm usually happy with the mods work and timing. <br />
But edits often need a follow up (cover, variants, merges etc.) and lately approvals take some time and that's hard to track for an editor.<br />
As my edits are mostly fairly basic, self-mod privileges would be very helpful.<br />
Werner [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 11:05, 25 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Support work I've seen looks good[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==<br />
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I recently submitted this note to the entry on Peter Grainger:<br />
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"I don't know how properly to comment on this. Forrest J. Ackerman was "Peter Cartur's" (or Peter Grainger's) agent. That's why he gave permission. There is NO WAY that Ackerman could have written that story, and no reason to suppose he did. As for the copyright, at that time, the magazines that originally published the story often bought the copyright, and only paid the authors for reprints out of the goodness of their heart (or perhaps if the contract specified such a payment.) So Fantasy House (publishers of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction) held the copyright. Gordon van Gelder, now the owner/publisher of F&SF, states that the contract for the story "The Mist" was signed by Peter Granger (no "i".) I would wonder about the source for the spelling "Grainger", given that he apparently never published under his own name. Incidentally, in the Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter for July 1950, Ackerman reports on some of the "up and coming" writers he is representing, mentioning Roger Flint Young separately from Peter Cartur. However, that doesn't mean much, as he also mentioned both Kris Neville and "Henderson Starke" as new writers in his fold, and there is no question that "Starke" was a pseudonym for Neville."<br />
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My objection was to the existing note on the author Peter Grainger, who is not credited with any stories under his own name, but with stories as by Peter Cartur, Roger Flint Young, and Max Dancey. This note reads:<br />
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"Pseudonym sources: Roger Robinson (his source: McGhan), Contento/Locus.<br />
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction Tales includes:<br />
Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.<br />
Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms."<br />
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My "edit" -- not really an edit but a comment on the note, though I probably should have suggested an edit -- objects to the (pardon me, but I must say, preposterous) suggestion that perhaps Forrest J. Ackerman wrote the "Peter Cartur" stories. The rational given -- that Ackerman gave "permission" to reprint the story, so therefore he must have been the real author, is ludicrous. The copyright was actually held by "Fantasy House" (which is to say, the publishers of F&SF) -- a common practice in that era. Ackerman was the agent. The Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter citation I made supports this claim. Also this long list of Ackerman's clients, which includes Cartur, Young, and Dancey: https://archive.org/details/internationalsci00coli/page/190/mode/2up?q=%22roger+flint+young%22&view=theater<br />
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The statement that "copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name" may be true NOW (I don't know) but it was manifestly not true in 1952, when the copyright was held by "Fantasy House". <br />
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What I think should be done is to cut the note off after the credit to Roger Robinson's pseudonym list. The whole thing about Ackerman is meaningless -- he was the agent, so authorize to give permission for the reprint.<br />
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Also, the credit to "Grainger" is in question, though I don't know how to resolve it, as Gordon van Gelder, in correspondence, tells me the original contract for F&SF publication was signed by "Peter Granger". There is a British author, much later, named "Peter Grainger". Could he be the source of the confusion? - {{unsigned|Hortonwho13}}<br />
: Yes, the later author is possibly the source of the confusion - we use differentiation and they need to be done manually when needed - and some of them may be missed occasionally. Let me look through these pages later today and see what I can untangle. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett ==<br />
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I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297694 Dawn Burdett] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297701 D. M. Burdett] are the same person as mentioned on [https://www.blackharepress.com/d-m-burdett/ this site]. What does anyone think? [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:18, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
:Possibly, but the publisher page you linked doesn't mention anything about her doing art. Since all of them under "Dawn Burdett" are cover art, and because the author bio doesn't mention doing cover art (or any art), there's not enough evidence to suggest they are indeed the same person, at least to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:50, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Fine, but it does mention D. M. Burdett's first name is Dawn. But, until further evidence turns up, I guess I'll leave the matter alone. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:51, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== J. E. Thomas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15278; "Doom in the Room" actually by famed author Jeffrey (Edwin) Thomas, very early story so maybe he used that name at the start of his career, but that other story in the Valancourt anthology is likely by some old-time author. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post Mortem Print Vs. E ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Post_Mortem; An old message of mine finally becomes relevant as this, https://archive.org/search?query=9780615452623&sort=-addeddate, was just uploaded. Editor has a middle initial, 1 story title is different, dates are obviously wrong, etc. Amazon links to reprint e-book are dead, so if anyone can find a preview copy of it we can compare it to the original print edition and fix a bunch of stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Bauman CaCE Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916930; FantLab shows Bauman did Dark Harvest cover, she signed it on lower right, copyright page of Tor credits her, too, she also signed it on lower right, but covers are totally different, art should probably be unmerged and made 2 distinct credits, she signed it differently between editions, Dark Harvest is name on left, date over copyright on right, Tor is name over date on left, copyright on right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 28 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Dillon LANBSM ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?527617; I just added a link to the PB and noticed those covers are different. Why are both under the same cover art record? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Terratoo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terratoo&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what should be done with these, title pages would need to be seen to determine correct author names, if anyone can find out then maybe a merge or variant will be in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Star Short Novels Covers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35073; I added an OL-only non-preview link to the '54 PB and fixed the month in all dates to 10 in a pending edit, but I think the HC credit for Powers is wrong; art on PB is in his usual trippy style, art on HC is just random lines. I think PV of HC or someone else just trusted the info they got, as mentioned in their note. I think Powers credit should be removed from HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 29 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==<br />
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.<br />
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Several Problems ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Resurrected Holmes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Introduction Title Question ==<br />
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}. For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font. Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text. I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)". However, the signature at the end gives me pause. I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently. Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate. What do other folks think? --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::::I agree with Annie. It's not part of the title. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:38, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== F. Cantor ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Conan ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brian Williams ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==<br />
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.<br />
Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.<br />
Thank you very very much.<br />
Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=648975User talk:Zybahn2022-11-12T04:25:58Z<p>Zybahn: /* When adding synopses to title records */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== An Eye For an Eye: The Doll ==<br />
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Is the source of the Canadian price you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3506112 here] a personal copy you are planning to verify or another source? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: A personal copy. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I updated the record after accepting your change to do two things:<br />
:: * Move the OCLC number to the new External ID field. <br />
:: * Standardize the lines in the Notes - we had one starting with • and one without and I was editing for the OCLC anyway so decided to clear it. As you are going to verify, feel free to reformat if you prefer another format.<br />
:: [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:57, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok I've verified transient. Apologies for the formatting oversight; the other notes were already there & I just wasn't paying enough attention :( [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 16:09, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: No worries at all :) It would not have hurt anything - as I said, I only fixed it because I was moving OCLC anyway. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Selecting a Ghost ==<br />
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You have "Selecting a Ghost" in your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359107 Ghost Stories] as a novelette; if it is the same as [https://americanliterature.com/author/sir-arthur-conan-doyle/short-story/the-secret-of-goresthorpe-grange this] online text, it is a short story. In that case, please correct it. Thanks [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:21, 9 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Children ==<br />
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I removed the subtitle "An Anthology" from the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261341 Poe's Children: New Horror] since such low-information subtitles are usually omitted here --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 16:12, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Ordering Content on the Same Page ==<br />
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When multiple content appears on the same page, the order can be controlled via appending a "sorting" value to the page number. The details are at [[Template:PubContentFields:Page]] (under "Sorting"). For two stories on page 10, "10|10.1" would be displayed first and "10|10.2" would be displayed second and both would show "10" as the page number. Let us know if there are questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:50, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I finally got around to making the change. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:10, 28 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: So I made the change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714185 this record], and though the edits were accepted, the pages are all out of sorts. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:48, 31 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ok I think I figured it out, & just submitted the updated edit request.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:50, 31 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Midnight'' cover art ==<br />
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Hi. I have added cover artist (Don Brautigam) to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?301976 your verified], as per other printings. Cheers ! [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] 04:54, 13 August 2019 (EDT).<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Cover artist of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?94725 Sax], the elongated 'S' indeed looks like an 'f'. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] 16:17, 8 November 2019 (EST)<br />
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== The Little Prince ==<br />
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As this is too short to be a novel (14K words when we need 40K), it is getting converted to a chapbook.[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?769746 Your verified] had been changed. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:14, 8 May 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Sixteenth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories ==<br />
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Hi Zybahn<br />
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I am adding a couple of external IDs to your verified copy of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260771 The Sixteenth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''. You had the title as "The 16th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories", which I see matches the cover title. Both Reginald3 and Worldcat spell out the number in the titles as "Sixteenth" which makes me think that it is probably spelled out on the title page. It doesn't look like you've made an edit here since April, so I'm going to go ahead and change the title as indicated. If you get back and can check the title page of your copy, and I am mistaken, please let me know, and I can change it back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:33, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks. (Since the server change my password is no longer functional so i created a new account. I'll figure out how to merge it in a bit.) I own the book but it is currently boxed. I will verify once it is unboxed & confirm. [[User:CasualDebris|CasualDebris]] ([[User talk:CasualDebris|talk]]) 21:48, 8 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== When adding synopses to title records ==<br />
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Hello, I have your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5459166] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5463749] on hold as you didn't mention the source of the Synopsis text (unless it's your own summary?). The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:EditTitle#Synopsis rules text] says, in part, that "''A synopsis from another source like a blurb or a bibliographic note may be used, in whole or in part. If you do, '''enclose the text in quotes, state the source and include the date'''. An English synopsis should be quoted verbatim, while a non-English synopsis should be translated, following the original as closely as possible and identifying the exact source of the text and its language. Use an ellipsis ("...") for omitted text. Individual words may be replaced for clarity, with the replacement enclosed in square brackets ("[]"). ''"<br><br />
If you're adding synopses, it's always a good idea to notify the moderator in the note to moderators field that it's your own synopsis - or alternatively, add synopsis per the rules cited above. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:11, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Good evening. Thanks for letting me know; I've been entering synopses over the last few months as I've been on a short story kick, & this is the first mention I've received. Rest assured all the synopses are my own, so please approve. I'll leave a note moving forward. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:25, 11 November 2022 (EST)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=550169User talk:Zybahn2019-06-01T02:50:47Z<p>Zybahn: /* Ordering Content on the Same Page */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== An Eye For an Eye: The Doll ==<br />
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Is the source of the Canadian price you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3506112 here] a personal copy you are planning to verify or another source? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: A personal copy. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I updated the record after accepting your change to do two things:<br />
:: * Move the OCLC number to the new External ID field. <br />
:: * Standardize the lines in the Notes - we had one starting with • and one without and I was editing for the OCLC anyway so decided to clear it. As you are going to verify, feel free to reformat if you prefer another format.<br />
:: [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:57, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok I've verified transient. Apologies for the formatting oversight; the other notes were already there & I just wasn't paying enough attention :( [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 16:09, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: No worries at all :) It would not have hurt anything - as I said, I only fixed it because I was moving OCLC anyway. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Selecting a Ghost ==<br />
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You have "Selecting a Ghost" in your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359107 Ghost Stories] as a novelette; if it is the same as [https://americanliterature.com/author/sir-arthur-conan-doyle/short-story/the-secret-of-goresthorpe-grange this] online text, it is a short story. In that case, please correct it. Thanks [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:21, 9 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Children ==<br />
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I removed the subtitle "An Anthology" from the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261341 Poe's Children: New Horror] since such low-information subtitles are usually omitted here --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 16:12, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Ordering Content on the Same Page ==<br />
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When multiple content appears on the same page, the order can be controlled via appending a "sorting" value to the page number. The details are at [[Template:PubContentFields:Page]] (under "Sorting"). For two stories on page 10, "10|10.1" would be displayed first and "10|10.2" would be displayed second and both would show "10" as the page number. Let us know if there are questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:50, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I finally got around to making the change. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:10, 28 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: So I made the change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714185 this record], and though the edits were accepted, the pages are all out of sorts. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:48, 31 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ok I think I figured it out, & just submitted the updated edit request.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:50, 31 May 2019 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=550168User talk:Zybahn2019-06-01T02:48:22Z<p>Zybahn: /* Ordering Content on the Same Page */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== An Eye For an Eye: The Doll ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Is the source of the Canadian price you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3506112 here] a personal copy you are planning to verify or another source? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: A personal copy. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I updated the record after accepting your change to do two things:<br />
:: * Move the OCLC number to the new External ID field. <br />
:: * Standardize the lines in the Notes - we had one starting with • and one without and I was editing for the OCLC anyway so decided to clear it. As you are going to verify, feel free to reformat if you prefer another format.<br />
:: [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:57, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok I've verified transient. Apologies for the formatting oversight; the other notes were already there & I just wasn't paying enough attention :( [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 16:09, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: No worries at all :) It would not have hurt anything - as I said, I only fixed it because I was moving OCLC anyway. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Selecting a Ghost ==<br />
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You have "Selecting a Ghost" in your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359107 Ghost Stories] as a novelette; if it is the same as [https://americanliterature.com/author/sir-arthur-conan-doyle/short-story/the-secret-of-goresthorpe-grange this] online text, it is a short story. In that case, please correct it. Thanks [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:21, 9 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Children ==<br />
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I removed the subtitle "An Anthology" from the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261341 Poe's Children: New Horror] since such low-information subtitles are usually omitted here --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 16:12, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Ordering Content on the Same Page ==<br />
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When multiple content appears on the same page, the order can be controlled via appending a "sorting" value to the page number. The details are at [[Template:PubContentFields:Page]] (under "Sorting"). For two stories on page 10, "10|10.1" would be displayed first and "10|10.2" would be displayed second and both would show "10" as the page number. Let us know if there are questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:50, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I finally got around to making the change. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:10, 28 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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:: So I made the change to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714185 this record], and though the edits were accepted, the pages are all out of sorts. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 22:48, 31 May 2019 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Community_Portal&diff=549963ISFDB:Community Portal2019-05-29T03:22:31Z<p>Zybahn: /* Change ID */ new section</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== An Eye For an Eye: The Doll ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Is the source of the Canadian price you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3506112 here] a personal copy you are planning to verify or another source? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: A personal copy. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I updated the record after accepting your change to do two things:<br />
:: * Move the OCLC number to the new External ID field. <br />
:: * Standardize the lines in the Notes - we had one starting with • and one without and I was editing for the OCLC anyway so decided to clear it. As you are going to verify, feel free to reformat if you prefer another format.<br />
:: [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:57, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok I've verified transient. Apologies for the formatting oversight; the other notes were already there & I just wasn't paying enough attention :( [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 16:09, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::: No worries at all :) It would not have hurt anything - as I said, I only fixed it because I was moving OCLC anyway. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:18, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Selecting a Ghost ==<br />
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You have "Selecting a Ghost" in your verified publication [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359107 Ghost Stories] as a novelette; if it is the same as [https://americanliterature.com/author/sir-arthur-conan-doyle/short-story/the-secret-of-goresthorpe-grange this] online text, it is a short story. In that case, please correct it. Thanks [[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 18:21, 9 September 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== Poe's Children ==<br />
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I removed the subtitle "An Anthology" from the title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261341 Poe's Children: New Horror] since such low-information subtitles are usually omitted here --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha (cazadora de tildes)]] 16:12, 16 October 2018 (EDT)<br />
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== Ordering Content on the Same Page ==<br />
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When multiple content appears on the same page, the order can be controlled via appending a "sorting" value to the page number. The details are at [[Template:PubContentFields:Page]] (under "Sorting"). For two stories on page 10, "10|10.1" would be displayed first and "10|10.2" would be displayed second and both would show "10" as the page number. Let us know if there are questions. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:50, 19 May 2019 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, I finally got around to making the change. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:10, 28 May 2019 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=484582User talk:Zybahn2017-07-07T20:09:15Z<p>Zybahn: /* An Eye For an Eye: The Doll */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== An Eye For an Eye: The Doll ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Is the source of the Canadian price you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3506112 here] a personal copy you are planning to verify or another source? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: A personal copy. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks. I updated the record after accepting your change to do two things:<br />
:: * Move the OCLC number to the new External ID field. <br />
:: * Standardize the lines in the Notes - we had one starting with • and one without and I was editing for the OCLC anyway so decided to clear it. As you are going to verify, feel free to reformat if you prefer another format.<br />
:: [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:57, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
:::Ok I've verified transient. Apologies for the formatting oversight; the other notes were already there & I just wasn't paying enough attention :( [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 16:09, 7 July 2017 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=484580User talk:Zybahn2017-07-07T19:52:36Z<p>Zybahn: /* An Eye For an Eye: The Doll */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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== An Eye For an Eye: The Doll ==<br />
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Is the source of the Canadian price you are adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3506112 here] a personal copy you are planning to verify or another source? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:24, 7 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: A personal copy. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=484572User talk:Zybahn2017-07-07T18:52:19Z<p>Zybahn: /* A Book of Strange Stories */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Alan Dean Foster's ''Alien Nation'' ==<br />
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Added a note regarding Canadian ISBN on cover to Alan Dean Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2021 ''Alien Nation'']. You are listed as Primary reference. [[User:Holmesd|Doug]] 18:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark ==<br />
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I made some changes to the edition you verified based on my own copy. If you disagree, please let me know. --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha77]] 01:40, 20 September 2016 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices #4 ==<br />
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Added a slight amount of content to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 Dark Voices #4]. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I may have found your cover artist. You wrote in your notes that there is a signature that reads 'fax', all in lower case. It appears to be the signature of {{A|Sax}}, a.k.a Rudolf Michael Sachs. It is clearly not the signature of {{A|Fax}}.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] 20:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)<br />
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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 A Book of Strange Stories] ==<br />
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The story "A Visit to Grandpa's" in this anthology is non-genre -- OK with you if I remove it? --[[User:Vasha77|Vasha]] 09:42, 5 July 2017 (EDT)<br />
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: I have not yet read this one so cannot confirm either way. I don't mind of you remove the story, however. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:52, 7 July 2017 (EDT)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=387062User talk:Zybahn2015-04-27T01:31:39Z<p>Zybahn: /* "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''The Compleat Crow'' ==<br />
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I updated the notes of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308814 this record] to indicate the source of the date of publication. (I also had to close the HTML list.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 01:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Starman ==<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33009 Starman]<br /><br />
Adding cover image scanned from personal collection. Adding notes about artist being uncredited and printing edition.--[[User:Astromath|Astromath]] 04:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Diving Deep - Gary McMahon ==<br />
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Hello, I've changed the author from Gary McMahan tp Gary McMahon in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?327626 your verified pub]. [[User:Hauck|Hauck]] 14:27, 10 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Dark Voices 4 ==<br />
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Have replaced Amazon link with a scan here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260519 [[User:Prof beard|Prof beard]] 15:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Linking to cover images ==<br />
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We can't link to a website which hasn't given us permission to do so. Our records which links to an image file on another uses the bandwidth from that server to display it on our website, even if you don't click on it. Some websites frown on this practice and consider it theft of bandwidth. You have the option of linking to permitted websites (listed [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions here]) or uploading the image file to our server. I've linked the record to the image file on Amazon.ca (which has given us implicit permission.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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There was a missing "$" in the price field so I added it. Also, is this book 7 inches (18 centimeters) or less? If it's larger it should be typed as "tp" (for trade paperback). Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 03:21, 4 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Sometime, Never ==<br />
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Cover scan added to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?31145 Sometime, Never].[[User:SFJuggler|SFJuggler]] 02:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== "A Singular Quarry" by Ed Lacy ==<br />
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Is this story speculative fiction, i.e. horror, fantasy, or science fiction? Only the spec-fic stories in non-genre publications are eligible for the database. I'm holding your submission awaiting your response. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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I found a website which describes the story as "borderline science fiction", so I'll accept the submission. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:09, 26 April 2015 (UTC)<br />
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: The story deals with the investigation of UFO sightings and related drama. Though its focus is private detective mystery, it pretty much [spoiler] claims that UFOs were indeed involve. I'll add a brief synopsis. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:31, 27 April 2015 (UTC)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=291795User talk:Zybahn2012-10-30T20:36:45Z<p>Zybahn: /* Closing unnumbered HTML list */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for checking. I looked back at the other 1970 Panther pubs and couldn't find one that actually linked to OCLC who only records ISBNs if they are stated in the actual pubs. It appears then that most of those 1970 Panther records got their ISBNs by "deriving" them from the catalog number, a practice I'm not particularly fond of, but that some editors like to use because it links the pubs to other online databases like Amazon and Abebooks.com. In the belief (probably in the minority) that we shouldn't be changing the data as presented in the publications for the sole purpose of linking to commercial websites, I'm going to leave your record as is. The purist in me overwhelms the capitalist. Thanks again. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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::BTW, feel free to remove the OCLC link. I see it's already linked properly to the 1968 printing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:24, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Closing unnumbered HTML list ==<br />
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Be sure to close an unnumbered list with '''<nowiki></ul></nowiki>''', otherwise it wreaks havoc on the record display, and sometimes makes the handling of the submission impossible. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 19:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Silly me :) [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:36, 30 October 2012 (UTC)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THMGCNSCNL1980.jpg&diff=291780File:THMGCNSCNL1980.jpg2012-10-30T16:55:51Z<p>Zybahn: {{CID1
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|Artist=Unknown
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|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Zybahn]]}}</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=291685User talk:Zybahn2012-10-30T00:12:04Z<p>Zybahn: /* Children of the Night */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Good day. I did not link the OCLC though I should have removed when adding the info. I do believe the number is an ISBN but there is no clear indication. As with these Panthers there is little info on the copyright page. The number is not indicated anywhere else in the book. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=291684User talk:Zybahn2012-10-30T00:09:10Z<p>Zybahn: /* "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== The Devil's Children ==<br />
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I've added an image to your Primary 2 verification of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?189149 The Devil's Children]. [[User:Nimravus|Nimravus]] 22:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== A Book of Strange Stories ==<br />
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Hi, I have added cover, artist and price to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357200 this] verified pub. Cheers, [[User:P-Brane|P-Brane]] 05:24, 11 May 2012 (UTC).<br />
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: Since the Note field currently says "Artist signature on left side of cover: "fax" all lower-case. No price indicated.", we may need to clarify where the price came from and change "fax" to "sax". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 05:47, 11 May 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== "Christmas Ghosts", by Mike Resnick , Martin H. Greenberg ==<br />
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You are now the primary verifier for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?6980 this publication]. It appears to have been entered with an incorrect DAW Collectors Number of 993. Reading the cover image, with confirmation from [http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/29292790 WorldCat], it appears that the correct number should have been 933, and I have changed the publication record to reflect that. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 19:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies for the late reply. Yes the correct number is clearly 933 [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 00:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Children of the Night'' ==<br />
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I added "#" to the catalog number in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401194 this record], so that the system doesn't confuse it with an ISBN (this is the ISFDB standard of entering catalog numbers). A question, the OCLC you linked to the record is for the 1968 printing, not this 1970 printing. You should only link matching records. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:38, 27 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
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A question: could the ISBN "0-586-02468-9" be somewhere in the book? By 1970 most of Panther's releases had ISBNs. Several internet catalogs have listings for this ISBN. Thanks for looking. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 00:40, 27 October 2012 (UTC)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=253456User talk:Zybahn2011-12-10T06:35:26Z<p>Zybahn: /* H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== H. G. Wells, "In the Days of the Comet", Airmont Classic ==<br />
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I'm cleaning up some of the "Airmont Publishing" (aka "Airmont Books") titles. They had two different publishing series of relevance to us: "Airmont Classics" and "Airmont SF". Many of the books from the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1081+2 Airmont Classics] were entered as if that were the publisher, and I'm trying to correct those to "Airmont Books" publisher and "Airmont Classics" publication series. One such book is your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?290633 "In the Days of the Comet"]. Would you mind if I changed that? [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 21:56, 3 December 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Not at all. For the sake of accuracy, please go ahead. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 06:35, 10 December 2011 (UTC)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CNDNTLSFTH2011.jpg&diff=248988File:CNDNTLSFTH2011.jpg2011-10-22T13:22:53Z<p>Zybahn: {{CID1
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::It would be better to have a corroborating source, so for now, we'll just leave the info in the note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== "Shakedown" author credit in ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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While researching a proposed edit that would affect your verified {{P|360080|Canadian Tales of the Fantastic}}, I noticed that {{T|1322332|Shakedown}} is credited to J. Paul Cooper, but on [[http://www.scottoverton.ca/news/tag/red-tuque-books his website]], Scott Overton claims to be the author (with plenty of detail). I see you have Overton credited as the author of {{T|1322335|Goldfish}}, which he does not mention at all. I'm wondering if there's a bit of a mix-up in the credits. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:35, 12 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Evidently I got a couple of the authors mixed up. I've just fixed it & re-submitted. Thanks. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=243938User talk:Zybahn2011-09-05T18:33:44Z<p>Zybahn: /* Hitchcock's Bar the Doors */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 18:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=243937User talk:Zybahn2011-09-05T18:33:25Z<p>Zybahn: /* Hitchcock's Bar the Doors */</p>
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== Thunder Mother ==<br />
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Welcome Zybahn. I changed the date 1973 to 1983 for ''Thunder Mother'', but I'm not sure if this is a variant title of ''Mother Thunder''............Heroic Visions, Ace, 1983. I'll check my verified pub. of 1990 and see what it says. Thanks for editing![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Moorcock's The Lives and Times of Jerry Cornelius ==<br />
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Thanks for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270769 new edition] of this title. I corrected the price that you provide in the submission. You should provide only one price in the price field, adding the other prices in the notes field. Please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationFields:Price this help page] about entering prices. Also, because this was a collection, it would have been better to use the "Clone This Pub" function using a previous publication that closely matches your edition (correcting the differences) rather than using the "Add a Publication to This Title" function. This helps you (or any later editor) from having to add the contents, and then merging each content title record with those records already in the database. See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_clone_a_publication this help page about cloning]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 03:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cordwainer Smith's The Planet Buyer ==<br />
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You submitted a new publication of this title, but it has the same date as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?TPBYR1964 the 1964 first edition]. The catalog number and price of your edition implies a printing circa 1969. Is the date of October 1964 explicitly stated in your edition? I've placed your submission on hold until I hear back from you. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: Hi & thanks for the note (I just stumbled on these pages while fooling around).<br />
: There is little information on my copy. It reads:<br />
::: <tt>A Pyramid Book--published....October 1964<br />
::: (list of publications in magazines)<br />
::: Copyright, 1964 by Corwainer Smith<br />
::: (publisher's address)</tt><br />
: The book number on the cover reads X-2049 beside the price (60c), and on the spine there is a partial number, possibly an ISBN (there is an unfortunate tear here): 511-02049-? (the ? is likely a 0 but google couldn't help here). Possibly a later printing using the same template as the first? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm glad you found the Wiki. There's instances where editors took months to find it and there's some who have never found it! I checked out the bibliography on the Cordwainer Smith website, which also gives the 1969 date. Take a look at this list for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?63+1969 1969 Pyramid publications], and you'll see what I mean about your copy's publication date. I'm going to accept your submission, change the date, and record the info you gave me above in the notes field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 15:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover ==<br />
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I have your publication update to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21455 Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover]'' on hold to sort out a couple of issues.<br />
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* ''Artists'' - You are replacing Richard Hescox with David Cherry and Richard Hescox (border design). The Artist field is generally only used to credit the artist(s) who created the painting. Designers can be credited in the notes and I would suggest that you document the exact wording used. I know that for a while DAW would hire one artist to draw a painting and another to design and draw a decorative frame or border. I suspect in this case we would have David Cherry be credited as the cover artist and we'll add a note about Richard Hescox's role as we don't have a mechanism to handle miscellaneous contributor roles.<br />
* You want to change the title of ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66695 Man of Impulse]'' to ''A Man of Impulse''. Please see [[Help:Screen:EditPub#General contents]] for information about changing the titles of stories/essays in the Contents section.<br />
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I'd like to hear back from you on the artist credit. As your publication update has quite a few changes, many of look like which they are improvements to the publication record, I think what I'll do once I hear from you is to approve the submission but then to undo your change of the title for ''Man of Impulse'' and to instead do it via the add-title/remove title mechanism outlined on the help screen noted above. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the link on titles -- duly noted (I simply wanted to replace it as it appears in the book).<br />
: Regarding artists: I wanted to replace Richard Hescox with David Cherry since Cherry is credited for the artwork. I didn't know what to do with Hescox & didn't want to simply delete someone else's entry. But I see... I can add this info in the notes field in the future. {{unsigned|Zybahn}}<br />
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:: Thank you - I approved the update and then did the fix-ups for ''A Man of Impulse'' and the Richard Hescox credit. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: Here's a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_change_a_story_in_a_collection Help Page] that more directly answers questions about how to change content records. Hope this helps. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 22:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Spellsinger ==<br />
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Thank you for the note on the publication delete. I'm curious as to what you are using as a source for data entry into ISFDB as you are adding publication records for books that don't seem to exist.<br />
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I deleted the 0-446-32057-9 record per your note but see that we already have a record for ''The Hour of the Gate'' at {{p|HRFTGT1984}}.<br />
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I'm wondering about the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?SPLLSNGRSC1983 0-446-30091-8] publication record. The ISBN you used is not found on Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, AbeBooks, nor other sites. When I dig up an ISBN from an obscure place in a publication, or derive the ISBN, then I add a note about where or how the ISBN was found. If it's a derived ISBN I also search to see if it's in use and add notes about this and won't use it as the main Catalog # if it's not in use. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 18:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: The sources I'm using are the books themselves. I'm selling off a lot of old books & thought I'd record them here first. I just double-checked and the ISBN I have is indeed the one that appears not to exist. I've also failed to find reference to it online. Odd. Next thing I'll discover is that I don't exi<br />
: [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 01:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding a second printing ==<br />
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You want to update ''{{p|235449|name=The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories}}''. Most of the changes look ok but what got my attention is<br />
* Changing the year from 1968-03-00 to 1969-07-00 <br />
* Adding the note "Stated 2nd printing: "Second Impression July 1969." First published March 1968."<br />
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In this case you should leave the original record in place as it's for the March 1968 first printing. While a little inconvent for you I'd do the edit in two passes. The first would be to add the page numbers as it's 99% that the publisher did not change those from the first to second printing. Once a moderator has approved this (it should be fast and easy) you would then clone the first printing to create a record for the second printing. <br />
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It's problematical that the title is changing too. Did you use the title from the title page?<br />
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In this case I decided to leave the original record alone other than your page # additions and have created a new publication, {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}}, for the second printing. Once we hear back from you on the title as stated on the title page then either you can do the work or one of the moderators can help you but we'll need to separate out that publication into a new title and to make it a variant title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 05:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: I thought it was the same book since the book numbers matched. My bad. The title is indeed "The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories." This is on the title page, the cover & the opening leaf. It is a British printing which normally spell out numbers. I will remove the "3/6" for the prince since that was on the previous entry & my copy has no price info at all (I don't even know what 3/6 means). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:For info on British currency pre-decimalization (or pre-decimalisation, if you're British), see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_currency#Subdivisions_and_other_units this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Mhhutchins|MHHutchins]] 18:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:: Thank you Zybahn - I approved the latest update and then did the following:<br />
::* Added the leading "The" to the title so that the publication record's title matches what's you reported above for the title page of your publication. The goal is to document the title wording exactly.<br />
::* Unmerged this publication from the ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?754529 The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]'' title record to create a new title record for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?918795 The Third Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories]''.<br />
::* Made the new "Third" title a variant title of "3rd"<br />
::If you look at the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?Christine%20Bernard editor's bibliography] you'll see the results. It would be great if you can mark {{p|THRDFNTNBK1969}} as primary-verified as it matches your copy. In looking at [http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=50&pics=on&sortby=2&tn=Fontana+Book+of+Great+Horror+Stories&x=36&y=12 AbeBooks dealer listings] with cover photos I'm seeing they use things like "The Sixth (6th) Fontana..." when describing the title. It's not clear if this is to help the publication they are selling match up with people searching for either the 6th or sixth or if the publications use "6th" on the cover and "Sixth" on the title page. The seller covers show:<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (3rd printing - has a different cover)<br />
::* Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (Yes, there is no leading "The". One copy has a clear 3/6 in the lower right though that looks like a sticker. Another copy has "85¢" in the same area and it too looks like a sticker.)<br />
::* The 2nd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (different cover than "Second Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories". Reported as 2nd and 6th printing)<br />
::* The 4th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 5th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories (The Beagle 95199 reprint uses the same cover as Fontana and has 80¢ printed on the upper/right corner)<br />
::* The 6th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::* The 8th Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories<br />
::Unfortunately, there are no copies of the 3rd/Third book for sale with a cover photo but it's pretty clear with the Second/2nd that they were experimenting with the wording and that by the 4th book they had standardized on a leading "The" and decimal numbering. Probably around the time they were getting ready to do the 4th they were reprinting the 2nd and/or 3rd and for the reprints changed the titles to be consistent and to throw bibliographers off the trail 40 years later. The apparent price stickers on the second book seem to indicate why your third does not have a price. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 20:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::: A good place to find "Nth Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories" examples is [http://gloomysundae.wordpress.com/ Gloomy Sundae]. It's useless to verify against as they're careless about Author or Title regularisation, don't state which printing or edition the cover is for, don't justify pseudonyms, etc, but it's a basic check as to roughly what stories were in which book, and they are generally better at that than Amazon at least. I'd only use them for completely missing contents or titles though, or as a starting point for a search for more accurate data. [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 21:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Thanks for all the useful info. I'm just confused as to why "Third" was entered as a separate book. When you said "variant" I assumed that meant it would still be linked under the original pub, but when I returned to verify it I saw it entered as a separate title. Is there something I'm not getting? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::: I'm sorry - I had entered the variant title but forgot to approve it on the moderator screen. That's done. I also stared at the bookseller listings for a while and decided it was likely the first printing was also titled "The Third..." rather than "The 3rd..." and so I renamed it and moved that publication to be filed under the "The Third..." title. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Zybahn, you had reported no price. Is there something like "3/6" "3S" or "80p" in the lower right corner of the front cover? This [http://pictures.abebooks.com/GDP/669269474.jpg picture of book #2] is small but you can see a 3S in the area I mean. Thank you. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Unfortunately there is no price whatsoever anywhere in, on or around the book. I just double-checked. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 23:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Thank you. I understand there's no price but is there anything at all on the front cover underneath the artwork? <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 01:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::: I assure you Marc there is nothing. The only thing underneath the artwork is FONTANA BOOKS in white. I will gladly send you a photo if you wish. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 02:59, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::: Amazing - a priceless horror anthology! :-) No need for a photo. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 08:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== "Mother Thunder" ==<br />
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Just to let you know that Foster's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?624693 "Mother Thunder"] as published in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?THMTRGNMND1990 ''The Metrognome and Other Stories''] in 1990 is a variant title of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?66803 "Thunder Mother"], which was first published in 1983 (note: 1983 as opposed to the submitted 1973) in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?HRCVSNS1983 ''Heroic Visions'']. Both publications have been verified and they titles are also listed in [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/t149.htm#A3113 Contento] (1983) and [http://www.locusmag.com/index/t137.htm#A16346 the Locus Index] (1990), so it looks like everything is OK at the moment. I have added your synopsis to both Title records - thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 06:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Cities of Wonder ==<br />
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Added a cover image to {{P|CTSFWNDRQN1967}} --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 00:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 18 Greatest Science Fiction Stories - added cover/notation and submitted deletions ==<br />
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Morning! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] . I matched my copy to your ver and added a cover, notation and deletions/corrections to contents. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 14:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit to your verified Berkley edition of Silverberg's BORN WITHE DEAD from signature.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 17:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added artist credit ==<br />
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I added cover credit for verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?18GRTST1971] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 05:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Added date & note ==<br />
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I added the month to the date and noted it, to your verified [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?CTSFWNDRQN1967].[[User:Don Erikson|Don Erikson]] 18:47, 12 October 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Robert Bloch's Psychos ==<br />
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Approved the submission for [[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?RBRTBLCHSP1997 this]] and changed a couple of things. This is a book club edition. The ISBN prefix (56865) belongs to GuildAmerica, at that time parent company for the SFBC and other book clubs. This edition was not (from current information) offered by the SFBC, probably by one of the other clubs. The number on the back is a catalogue # placing the offering in either February or March 1998. It definitely would have been offered after the Pocket Books paperback edition. So I added "BCE" to the publisher, a generic we use when the specific book club is not known, changed the date to 1998 (can't put a month unless someone can come up with a club flier - Locus does not list this printing) and deleted the very last portion of the note (1998 April?) as the number itself has no date built in. FYI Thanks for editing! ~Bill, --[[User:Bluesman|Bluesman]] 01:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Cool, thanks for the info. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:21, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Behold the Man ==<br />
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I added the publication month, cover artist and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BHLDTMN1970 this verified pub] to match my copy. Thanks, [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 14:39, 19 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
: Also added [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:BHLDTMN1970.jpg this cover scan] [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 10:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Stranger in a Strange Land - added notation ==<br />
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Afternoon! This. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?270859]. I added notation and cover artist after matching my copy and cross checking the art with the tp. All in notes. Thanks, Harry. --[[User:Dragoondelight|Dragoondelight]] 21:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Disturb Not the Dream ==<br />
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Hi! Is the 1981[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?857192] date the copyright or from the print date? One other question is the July 1982 "Printed in Canada" a 1st printing? If it is then the $3.95 probably reflects the price in Canadian dollars. I also change the Signet date to "0000-00-00" since the date for the 2nd printing is unknown as is our policy. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 02:59, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== True Tales of the Unknown, Volume III: Beyond Reality ==<br />
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I wonder if the copyright page is correct on the 1988 date? I've checked some book sites and can find no listing of a 1988 hc Doubleday edition and a web[http://www.simegen.com/bios/sharonbio.html] page with a list of the authors works lists it as 1991. This would also predate the vol 2 in the series which is 1989. Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 03:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I noticed the same & wondered. There is a note at the top of the copyright page: "This edition contains the complete text of the original hardcover edition. NOT ONE WORD HAS BEEN OMITTED." So there must have been a hardcover edition at some point. It is also possible the first two volumes are incorrectly dated. The acknowledgements and author notes yield little, except to say she began compiling the stories for the first volume in 1983. I wouldn't change the current date but would leave my comment in case it arises in the future. If not we can classify it as yet another True Tale of the Unknown. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Mask / Masque of the Red Death ==<br />
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Hi. Just double-checking.... Are you sure in your printing of {{P|1363808|Eight Tales of Terror}} it's "Masque" not "Mask"? In my second printing, it's definitely "Mask". Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 19:34, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Hey Marty. It's absolutely "Masque" in table of contents, story heading and top of each story page(though the blurb at the back reads "Mask"). The pagination is a little different in my copy too, off by a page for the intro & most stories as compared to other paginated printings in the database. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 20:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I approved your submission and removed "Mask" while I was at it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 10:08, 9 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== White Jade Fox ==<br />
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Rather than over-writing the existing publication, the third printing needs to have its' own record. I did a little digging and came up with an image and a first printing statement [click on the OCLC link]. Then created another record for the third printing. Even though it may still retain the first printing statement, that date applies only to that printing. Once the number line changes then the date becomes unknown, though some publishers will state each printing's date, Fawcett didn't usually. Thus the record for the third printing gets '0000-00-00' as a date [though it's likely still in '76, maybe '77]. Would there be any ads in the back that might help to narrow the date down a little? --[[User:Bluesman|~ Bill, Bluesman]] 00:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Apologies, I thought it was the same publication. There are no ads whatsoever or other such discerning items. The cover is correct, artist uncredited. I'll go verify. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 13:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Best New Horror 5 ==<br />
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I reviewed your submission of the Carroll & Graf [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192793 edition] of ''Best New Horror 5'' and noticed that the proposed content level data was almost the same as what was already available in the publication record for the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?BSTNWHRRR7D1994 1994 Robinson edition]. I then imported the Robinson contents into the Carroll & Graf record -- the process is described in [[Help:Screen:ImportContent]] -- and made one change to reflect the changed title of the introduction. This approach is much less time-consuming and error-prone than re-entering all Titles and then merging them manually, so I went ahead and rejected the original submission. When you get a chance, could you please review the updated record and check that everything looks OK? Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 04:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: Thanks for the info, I'll check it out. Everything looks good. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 15:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== ''7th Year's Best SF'', by Judith Merril ==<br />
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I have corrected the page number of the Jules Feiffer cartoon "Looking Backward" from p. 153 to p. 154 in your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/editpub.cgi?189493 verified edition] of this book. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] 04:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I've re-checked this and you are correct. Thanks for catching. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Universe 8 ==<br />
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I changed the publication date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?151601 this verified pub] from 1979-06-00 to 1979-07-00, and the accompanying note from ''Origin of pub date unknown (none on book).'' to ''Publication date from Locus #224 (August 1979)'' --[[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Christmas Crimes'' ==<br />
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This appears to be a selection of mystery stories from Ellery Queen and Alfred Hitchcock magazines. If most of the stories are not speculative fiction there should not be a record for the book in the database. If some of the stories are speculative stories, we can create records by adding their original magazine publications using the non-genre magazine method. I've kept the submission on hold until you confirm the nature of the contents. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: You're probably right; aside from potential ghosts I don't think any of the stories are speculative. I noticed other C Manson anthologies in the database & thought it was an appropriate entry. Apologies. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::No problem. If Manson were an ''author'' with a prominent profile in the spec-fic field, we would include any anthologies she edited regardless of their genre, ''but'' we would not add any contents (stories in the anthology) that were not spec-fic. I'm sorry for the effort that you put into creating the submission without being aware of this policy. It's something each of us had to learn as we began working on the db. The definitions about what is "in" can be blurry at times! Thanks again for your contributions. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 16:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''In a Glass Darkly'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your submission of {{P|358242|In a Glass Darkly}}, but I changed it from Collection to Omnibus to match the title record's type. I also removed "World's Classics" as an imprint (from the Publisher info) and added "Oxford World's Classics" as the Publisher Series (which we already had in place). Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Red Skelton's Favorite Ghost Stories ==<br />
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I added a number sign (#) before the catalog number, per ISFDB standards. Please do a primary verification when you get a chance. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 18:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' ==<br />
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Hi. I've put your submission of ''Canadian Tales of the Fantastic'' on hold while I check a couple of things with you:<br />
*It sounds as if you are working from the actual book, but you have listed the editor as "unknown". If the editor is not credited, you should use "uncredited" instead (see "Anonymous or uncredited works" in [[Help:Screen:EditPub#Author]]). We only use "unknown" when working from secondary sources that do not provide the information. Let me know if you agree it should be "uncredited".<br />
*The two "Forew'''<u>a</u>'''rd" essays: (a) Should these be spelled "Forew'''<u>o</u>'''rd" instead? (b) For "standard" generic content titles such as "Introduction", "Foreword", "Afterword", and so on, we include the title of the containing publication parenthetically to disambiguate multiple such pieces by the same author in different publications. E.g., "Foreword (Canadian Tales of the Fantastic)".<br />
I will accept the submission and fix up these things once you confirm the way they should be -- no need to reenter anything. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Hi Marty, I am indeed working with the book, and the editor should be listed as "uncredited." As for the "Foreword" it is with an o (this is an unfortunate writing tic I have). As for the parenthetical title, I did know that, just forgot. Thanks for fixing my mess. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 14:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Not a mess at all. Very minor things. I accepted the submission and did the small fix-ups I cited above. The result is {{P|360080|here}} for your reviewing and verifying. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 15:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Hitchcock's ''Bar the Doors'' ==<br />
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Your submission adding [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 a second printing] of this title was entered under the wrong title record. It was entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1321828 this title record] because you cloned it from the 1946 printing. It should have been entered under [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1322115 this title record]. You could have then imported the contents from the 1946 printing. You should also record in the note field the source of your data, unless you're doing a primary verification of the record. Your other [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 verified record] of this title doesn't have any contents. It's a good idea to enter the content titles before doing a primary verification, as this step indicates that the record is complete as possible. Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I actually did enter the contents & am waiting for the approval. I'm just doing things a little backwards since I'm learning as I'm entering. I'll enter source data in the future (sadly I own different editions of these Hitchcock books so it's usually a primary source). [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:06, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I have accepted the submission. The next step is to merge the content records with existing db records. Are you familiar with this function? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No I'm not familiar with merging contents. I'm still trying to find the "importing contents" info on the help pages. Can you help me out with a link? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem, but first. Do the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] differ from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]? Just checking to make sure. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, the contents & pagination are identical for all editions/printings. Moreover, I seem to have blundered elsewhere. One of the stories, McKnight Malmar's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?125359 The Storm], now appears as three separate entries. Can I merge these somehow? [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Before we straighten out the problem, I'm going to give you some important links. All of the Help pages are on the Wiki, so you must navigate from the database proper, by clicking on the link on every db page named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ISFDB Wiki]. (Right now, you're actually on the Wiki. This talk page is not part of the database itself.) This link leads you to the Main Page of the Wiki. You'll find a link named [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Contents Help], which leads to a table of contents. The most useful link on this table is the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to How To...] link which leads to a page of the most common tasks. Among these, you'll find a link on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_merge_titles How to Merge Titles]. The Import function is so simple that [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:ImportContent its Help page] tells you less about what you're doing than when you're actually doing it. Please ask if you need further help. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:33, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Now to the problem. When you cloned the 1946 Dell printing, you transferred all of its contents to the new record, which was the record for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360044 the 1963 printing]. Are these contents correct? Do you have a copy of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?359960 the 1946 printing], and if so, are these contents correct? I'm assuming the contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing] are correct because you manually entered each of them. Just check to make sure. One last thing, are these the correct contents of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360045 the 1966 printing] which were cloned from the 1963 printing? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::It looks like you may have omitted the last story {"The Book"} in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360040 the 1962 printing]. This is the only difference I can find. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::All right, I've added "The Book" to the book. Thanks for all the help. At first the database seemed overwhelming but the more I use it the easier it becomes. All the contents & the pagination are correct & identical in each printing, only the covers change from edition to edition. I'll merge the different titles I created tomorrow, and will certainly ask if I get lost along the way. Good night. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 04:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Submission to accept the story was accepted...except the author and title were reversed. No problem, it can be straightened out tomorrow. Heaven knows I've done worse. Have a good night. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 05:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Thanks for persevering with us. You're already one of our Top 100 Contributors, many have dropped out before this stage! Hopefully you've noticed that you don't get the Nag-Screen on new submissions now, once you passed 100 contributions - you're no longer a newbie! [[User:BLongley|BLongley]] 17:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: Hahaha. Good thing I stopped when I did. The shape I was in that night I could've broken the internet. Thanks for the note of confidence, though I don't seem to have noticed a Nag-Screen. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I went ahead and merged the title records (correcting the one I mentioned above.) Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: I noticed, thanks. I'll search for others. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] 17:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[unindent] One last (I hope) question about this title: what is your source that the ghost editor was Don Ward? If the source is reliable, we need to credit Ward by making a variant title record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: I see. While I can't give you a specific source, the information is correct. I've been researching these old anthologies (which I collect) & I publish all the information I gather at [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/p/casual-debris-presents-alfred-hitchcock.html Casual Debris]. Information that is not yet confirmed I post in red, while all else is confirmed. I haven't logged my sources though.</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=243927User talk:Zybahn2011-09-05T17:28:08Z<p>Zybahn: /* Hitchcock's Bar the Doors */</p>
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<div>Thank you for visiting.<br />
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Though not a science fiction fanatic I am interested in bibliographic information and think the ISFDb is a great resource, better organized and with more dedicated contributors than other book database sites. Therefore I would like to contribute where I can. Books of all genres pass through my hands frequently so I'll edit information as it comes, time permitting.<br />
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A short story lover, I read science fiction more often in the short form. As a pre-teen I used to read those Alfred Hitchcok anthologies and that really set me off on this course. The first science fiction anthology I remember really enjoying is the Damon Knight, et al title First Voyages. I collect anthologies and do own a number older, funky science fiction titles in my collection. The collection is "pseudo-serious" as I am involved in a number of interests and do not always have the time to pursue any of them seriously. For anthologies I like the older, pre-1950 literary books that often contain out-of-print stories/authors, and I like British horror fiction titles as well.<br />
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Other than collecting I am a writer, film buff (the lack of time kills me on this as I am always so behind in my viewing) avid badminton player, cyclist and some other less interesting stuff. I've recently started a blog on obscure or little-known fiction that I call [http://casualdebris.blogspot.com/ Casual Debris]. Frustrating, though, that I am averaging only one new entry about every two weeks.</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Zybahn&diff=205066User:Zybahn2010-08-28T14:03:45Z<p>Zybahn: </p>
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<div>Thank you for visiting.<br />
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Though not a science fiction fanatic I am interested in bibliographic information and think the ISFDb is a great resource, better organized and with more dedicated contributors than other book database sites. Therefore I would like to contribute where I can. Books of all genres pass through my hands frequently so I'll edit information as it comes, time permitting.<br />
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A short story lover, I read science fiction more often in the short form. I collect anthologies and do own a number older, funky science fiction titles in my collection. The collection is "pseudo-serious" as I am involved in a number of interests and do not always have the time to pursue any of them seriously. For anthologies I like the older, pre-1950 literary books that often contain out-of-print stories/authors, and I like British horror fiction titles as well.<br />
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Other than collecting I am a writer, film buff (the lack of time kills me on this as I am always so behind in my viewing) avid badminton player, cyclist and some other less interesting stuff. I've recently started a blog on obscure or little-known fiction that I call Casual Debris.</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Zybahn&diff=205065User:Zybahn2010-08-28T13:55:42Z<p>Zybahn: New page: Thank you for visiting. Though not a science fiction fanatic I am interested in bibliographic information and think the ISFDb is a great resource, better organized and with more dedicated...</p>
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<div>Thank you for visiting.<br />
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Though not a science fiction fanatic I am interested in bibliographic information and think the ISFDb is a great resource, better organized and with more dedicated contributors than other book database sites. Therefore I would like to contribute where I can. Books of all genres pass through my hands frequently so I'll edit information as it comes, time permitting.</div>Zybahnhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Zybahn&diff=205063User talk:Zybahn2010-08-28T13:51:34Z<p>Zybahn: /* White Jade Fox */</p>
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