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User talk:Terraflorin
2024-02-18T09:46:00Z
<p>Terraflorin: /* Romanian Collection */</p>
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<div>== Archives ==<br />
[[User_talk:Terraflorin/Archive1|Archive 2019]], [[User_talk:Terraflorin/Archive2|Archive 2020]], [[User_talk:Terraflorin/Archive3|Archive 2021]]<br />
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== Le cycle des légendes ==<br />
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Hello, I've accepted your submission, but had to make the following changes:<br />
* Publisher should have been {{pubr|1822|Presses Pocket}}. That publisher was renamed to just 'Pocket' in 1993 - see [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket here], but we still record all publications under the publisher's original name.<br />
* Changed 13-digit ISBN to 10-digit ISBN for a pre-2005 publication<br />
* Changed format from tp to pb - all Presses Pocket - Science Fiction publications are pb<br />
* Added pub series and pub series ID - see the {{ps|251|pub series}}, and [https://www.worldcat.org/title/chroniques-de-tenebreuse-1-le-cycle-des-legendes/oclc/859048285&referer=brief_results here] for the pub series ID<br />
* Corrected an Author typo: Elleen Ledbetter --> Eileen<br />
* Added note to indicate that publication date was coming from Goodreads (and I added that Amazon.FR had it as 1998-07-02) <br />
* Also added WorldCat reference while I was at it.<br />
I haven't added any title series info (as I didn't check very thoroughly), but I guess you could add these and other titles in the ''Chroniques de Ténébreuse'' series. Have a look [https://www.worldcat.org/title/chroniques-de-tenebreuse/oclc/937574863&referer=brief_results here].<br><br />
The only thing left to do for you is to variant the individual stories to their English original. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:49, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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Oh and I've also added NooSFere reference and cover artist :). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:03, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Ok, great! Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]]! About Elleen Ledbetter --> Eileen - [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le_Cycle_des_l%C3%A9gendes&diff=175188393&oldid=159519914 I corrected Author typo at fr.wikipedia] after I send this submission on isfdb. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 09:55, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Source notes ==<br />
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Just a gentle reminder again that every book which is not primary verified needs to have a note with its source. While we can figure it out and add based on the external IDs and links you added, this adds an additional step for any moderator working on your submission (which is partially why some of them stay in the queue for longer than necessary). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:45, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: And please use the Tr template when adding translators. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:52, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Working language ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
Despite us being an international site, the working language is English and all the notes and non-title/author names should be in English. So when adding a birth place, please use the English name of the city/town, i.e. Bucharest and not București. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 11 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Hi, [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]!<br />
:București not Bucharest - confusion with Budapest is avoided :D Ok, next time is Bucharest. Please approve My Pending Edits [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4794078 4794078], 4794079, 4794081, 4794082 and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4794083 4794083]; I have to correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8708 Pub Series Armada (Editura Nemira)] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8952 Young Adult], and for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4794081 4794081] Publication Web Page is [https://nemira.ro/partea-intunecata-a-magiei-seria-culorile-magiei-partea-i].<br />
:Thanks! --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 01:19, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I just approved a boatload of yours -- so these should give you something to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:47, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== The Last Safe Place ==<br />
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I approved this one but it needed a lot of work (you do not add a lot of English publications and they do have their own specifics):<br />
* We do not credit CreateSpace as a publisher even when Amazon does. We use the author name (or the actual publisher if Look Inside shows one)<br />
* 8x5 inches paperback means "tp".<br />
* $57.99 is an extremely high price unless we are talking about a very special edition. It is not a list price for sure so in such cases just add the currency symbol.<br />
* The ISBN10/ASIN Amazon link does not go into the external sites.<br />
* Add a date into the notes<br />
* Don't forget to add the story to chapbooks or add a moderator note if you are going to be importing<br />
The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800480 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:52, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Series names ==<br />
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When a series name is a common string as "Young Adult", please do not forget to add the name of the publisher to it, even if it seems to be the first one -- the only reason it is the first one is because every other series has the publisher name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:55, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: PS: on the question you deleted: if you click on the radio box for publisher as a source, the system will add "Data from the publisher site" automatically :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:55, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, is ''Young Adult (Editura Nemira)''. About "Data from the publisher site", I understood, that's why I deleted last message. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 04:57, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yup - I changed it :) One more thing on adding translators. The "and/or" when you are not sure which translator did what works for the stories themselves but on the collection/anthology level, it should be "and" only -- they all ARE the translators of the whole book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:43, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Ok, this is a copy-paste error. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 05:50, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Limitele spiritului ==<br />
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Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4811691 your submission] on hold, as the ISBN 9789731022598 is the same as for {{p|804330|Inițierea}}. Same issue with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4811695 this one]. Could you check? <br />
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Additionally, you should not create a new cover art record that then has to be merged afterwards. It is better to import the art record (if it pre-exists of course), one less edit required that way. Use 'Import Content' from the left-hand menu and use the second option. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:20, 26 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Hi, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]], is a mistake or two at https://www.targulcartii.ro/, [https://www.amazon.com/Limitele-spiritului-Academia-vampirilor-Romanian/dp/9731023089/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Limitele+spiritului&qid=1603776536&s=books&sr=1-1 here] ISBN for ''Limitele spiritului'' (2010) is 978-9731022659; and [https://www.amazon.com/Atingerea-umbrei-Academia-vampirilor-Romanian/dp/9731022686/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Atingerea+umbrei&qid=1603776643&s=books&sr=1-1 here] ISBN for ''Atingerea umbrei'' (2010) is 978-9731022680. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 01:32, 27 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Accepted and corrected. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:43, 27 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Translators template ==<br />
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Just a reminder - when adding translators, please use the Tr template and not the full sentence. See how I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2904508 this one]. We also do not need the original title in the notes unless it is cited differently to what the book is varianted to. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rock me Adolf Adolf Adolf'' ==<br />
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Hi. I accepted your {{P|855304|Rock me Adolf Adolf Adolf}} and decided to make a few changes. If you object to any of this, please alter it (or reply here that you disagree, and I can do the altering).<br />
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* I changed it from OMNIBUS to COLLECTION. As far as I am able to tell, "'Da Noiz" was not published separately. It is ok to have a novel-length story in a COLLECTION. We mostly want OMNIBUS for collections containing something previously published as a standalone book.<br />
* I changed the year from 2008 to 2009. The various secondary sources (including the web page you provided and also Worldcat) all use 2009.<br />
* I changed "'Da Noiz" from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION + NOVELLA. I found several sources describing it as either "mini-novel" or "novella", so I think NOVELLA is probably more likely the length.<br />
* The ISBN-10 had a checksum error. It looked like you used the ISBN-13, but without the leading "978". Since the secondary sources all use an ISBN-13, I added the 978 instead of correcting the ISBN-10.<br />
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While I was doing all of that, I found it on Worldcat and did that verification, and I grabbed a copy of the cover image from Goodreads and added that. I hope it looks good. Please review. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:01, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Cătălin Teniță ==<br />
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A quick note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5072882 this submission]. [[Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace]] says:<br />
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* For locations whose name is transcribed differently in different languages, use the English version, e.g. "The Hague" rather than "Den Haag", "La Haye" or "L'Aia"<br />
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so I have changed "București" to "Bucharest". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:42, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== New Weird ==<br />
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I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5073222 your submission] on hold as it has the same ISBN as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222821 the English edition]. This seems weird for a Romanian book to have the same ISBN as the English original. Can you check? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:21, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: See here: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#New_Weird_.28in_Romanian.29 --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 15:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and ISBN deleted :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:05, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks! --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 14:29, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant vs. Merge ==<br />
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Hello! I hold your submissions, because you want to variant the titles. But if the the title's name and the name of the author are identical, we merge them. By opening the site of an author, you will find in the left bar the option ''Check for Duplicate Titles'' and there you can merge identical titles. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:02, 11 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Ok. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5079821] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5079820] --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 12:42, 11 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Флот вторжения ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You submitted a mix between two different editions: the 2007 complete novel and the first volume of the 2001 2-volume set (the cover, cover artist and the year belonged to this one; the ISBN and the title belonged to the 2007 edition). Please be careful when there are multiple editions. In addition, the author name was incorrect for both (Гарри Тертлдав instead of Гарри Тартлдав). I cleaned it up and will add the other edition later. The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?888421 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:18, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ok, Annie, many thanks for help. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 03:41, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover image linking ==<br />
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When adding a cover image to a publication by adding the URL directly to an image on another site (a.k.a. "hotlinking"), please make sure the site is one of those listed [[ISFDB:Image linking permissions#List of sites granting permission|here]]. If it is not on that list, we may not hotlink to the site. The site you linked to for ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?804327 Mai rău decât moartea]'' is not on the approved list, so I had to reject the submission.<br />
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In those cases, you can download the image from the site (here's [https://images.okr.ro/serve/product/0c57e546d8207cb0e7329a7c916a4c5b-79502-1000_1000 the link] for the cover image in question) and then upload it here. You can find instructions on uploading [[Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki|here]]. Here's the condensed version:<br />
#Download the image from the other site ([https://images.okr.ro/serve/product/0c57e546d8207cb0e7329a7c916a4c5b-79502-1000_1000 here]) and remember where you download the file to (often a Downloads folder, or your Desktop).<br />
#Go to the publication page needing the image (in this case, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?804327 here]).<br />
#Click on the '''Upload cover image''' link at the bottom of the general information about the publication. <br />
#The Summary field should be prefilled with the correct template. Verify that the information is correct.<br />
#Click the '''Browse''' button to open a dialog window that will let you select the cover image file to upload. <br />
#Select the desired cover image file and click '''Open'''. This will close the dialog window.<br />
#Once you are sure everything look correct, click '''Upload this file'''. <br />
#Once the file has finished uploading, the page for the file should load. Click on the image to be taken to a page with only the image on it.<br />
#Copy the URL (http:// address) from the top of your browser.<br />
#Go back to the publication page and edit it ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?804327 link])<br />
#Paste the URL into the ''Image URL'' field and click the '''Submit Changed Data''' button at the bottom of the page.<br />
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At this point, a moderator will review the submission for approval. Please let me know if you have any questions or get stuck while you are trying to upload the image. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:52, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imagini ascunse ==<br />
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A few notes about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921498 this one]:<br />
* URLs which are specific to the edition go into Web Pages and not into the notes. <br />
* Translators should be added in the title notes; they can also be in the Publication notes if you want. <br />
I fixed these and connected the title to the original while I was around. Thanks for adding it! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Sources, sources, sources ==<br />
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When adding a book you are not PV-ing, please make sure you have a "Data from" statement even if you had added weblinks and external IDs. That helps figuring out what was added later and where the initial data came from. See how I added the note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?922046 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:11, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Romanian Collection ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/@vasile_caraus; I was looking at some Roberto Quaglia books and there are missing artists, wrong page counts, etc. in the 3 out of 5 books in this uploader's collection by him that are on ISFDB. So you may want to use those copies to fix or add things and I'm sure there are other books in that huge collection that you entered here that could probably use some fixing and/or adding, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:46, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Ok, but I didn't find yet the prices of ''Dio S.R.L.'' and ''Paine, unt si paradoxina''. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 04:45, 18 February 2024 (EST)</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:DSRDRCRNCD2004.jpg&diff=678966
File:DSRDRCRNCD2004.jpg
2024-02-03T08:36:26Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Ada sau ardoarea. O cronic&#259; de familie
|Edition=Editura Polirom 2004 tp
|Pub=DSRDRCRNCD2004
|Publisher=Editura Polirom
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Ada sau ardoarea. O cronic&#259; de familie<br />
|Edition=Editura Polirom 2004 tp<br />
|Pub=DSRDRCRNCD2004<br />
|Publisher=Editura Polirom<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:DMNMRCLKQN1995.jpg&diff=678965
File:DMNMRCLKQN1995.jpg
2024-02-03T08:34:30Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Demoni &#537;i miracole
|Edition=Editura Corint 1995 tp
|Pub=DMNMRCLKQN1995
|Publisher=Editura Corint
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Demoni &#537;i miracole<br />
|Edition=Editura Corint 1995 tp<br />
|Pub=DMNMRCLKQN1995<br />
|Publisher=Editura Corint<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CCRRKBRLJD1998.jpg&diff=658592
File:CCRRKBRLJD1998.jpg
2023-03-26T09:07:34Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Cucerirea Kiberului
|Edition=Vremea 1998 tp
|Pub=CCRRKBRLJD1998
|Publisher=Vremea
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Cucerirea Kiberului<br />
|Edition=Vremea 1998 tp<br />
|Pub=CCRRKBRLJD1998<br />
|Publisher=Vremea<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:RTCTRPRNTR1994.jpg&diff=658591
File:RTCTRPRNTR1994.jpg
2023-03-26T09:06:22Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=R&#259;t&#259;citori printre stele
|Edition=Vremea 1994 tp
|Pub=RTCTRPRNTR1994
|Publisher=Vremea
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=R&#259;t&#259;citori printre stele<br />
|Edition=Vremea 1994 tp<br />
|Pub=RTCTRPRNTR1994<br />
|Publisher=Vremea<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:MMLTDCTMNH1994.jpg&diff=658365
File:MMLTDCTMNH1994.jpg
2023-03-22T16:19:41Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Mai mult decât oameni
|Edition=Vremea 1994 tp
|Pub=MMLTDCTMNH1994
|Publisher=Vremea
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Mai mult decât oameni<br />
|Edition=Vremea 1994 tp<br />
|Pub=MMLTDCTMNH1994<br />
|Publisher=Vremea<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:NTNRCPDMND1997.jpg&diff=658364
File:NTNRCPDMND1997.jpg
2023-03-22T16:18:36Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Întuneric pe Diamondia
|Edition=Vremea 1997 tp
|Pub=NTNRCPDMND1997
|Publisher=Vremea
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Întuneric pe Diamondia<br />
|Edition=Vremea 1997 tp<br />
|Pub=NTNRCPDMND1997<br />
|Publisher=Vremea<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:VRMDSPRLDC2018.jpg&diff=650929
File:VRMDSPRLDC2018.jpg
2022-12-10T10:53:17Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Vremea dispre&#539;ului
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2018 tp
|Pub=VRMDSPRLDC2018
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Vremea dispre&#539;ului<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2018 tp<br />
|Pub=VRMDSPRLDC2018<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:TRNLNBNLRQ2022.jpg&diff=650278
File:TRNLNBNLRQ2022.jpg
2022-11-29T12:11:14Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Turnul nebunilor
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2022 pb
|Pub=TRNLNBNLRQ2022
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Turnul nebunilor<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2022 pb<br />
|Pub=TRNLNBNLRQ2022<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CBLNFLCRSW2022.jpg&diff=650277
File:CBLNFLCRSW2022.jpg
2022-11-29T12:09:10Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Cibola în fl&#259;c&#259;ri
|Edition=Editura Paladin 2022 hc
|Pub=CBLNFLCRSW2022
|Publisher=Editura Paladin
|Artist=Daniel Dociu
|ArtistId=115253
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Cibola în fl&#259;c&#259;ri<br />
|Edition=Editura Paladin 2022 hc<br />
|Pub=CBLNFLCRSW2022<br />
|Publisher=Editura Paladin<br />
|Artist=Daniel Dociu<br />
|ArtistId=115253<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:TRZRLVTNLN2023.webp&diff=650276
File:TRZRLVTNLN2023.webp
2022-11-29T12:08:03Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Trezirea Leviatanului
|Edition=Editura Paladin 2023 hc
|Pub=TRZRLVTNLN2023
|Publisher=Editura Paladin
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Trezirea Leviatanului<br />
|Edition=Editura Paladin 2023 hc<br />
|Pub=TRZRLVTNLN2023<br />
|Publisher=Editura Paladin<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:RSCRCDDRMR2021.jpg&diff=650269
File:RSCRCDDRMR2021.jpg
2022-11-29T11:46:05Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=R&#259;scruce de drumuri în amurg
|Edition=Editura RAO 2021 tp
|Pub=RSCRCDDRMR2021
|Publisher=Editura RAO
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=R&#259;scruce de drumuri în amurg<br />
|Edition=Editura RAO 2021 tp<br />
|Pub=RSCRCDDRMR2021<br />
|Publisher=Editura RAO<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CSDLMRGNBS2005.jpg&diff=650267
File:CSDLMRGNBS2005.jpg
2022-11-29T11:43:28Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Casa de la marginea Abisului
|Edition=Editura Leda 2005 tp
|Pub=CSDLMRGNBS2005
|Publisher=Editura Leda
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Casa de la marginea Abisului<br />
|Edition=Editura Leda 2005 tp<br />
|Pub=CSDLMRGNBS2005<br />
|Publisher=Editura Leda<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:MMLTDCTMNR2006.jpg&diff=650266
File:MMLTDCTMNR2006.jpg
2022-11-29T11:41:45Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Mai mult decât oameni
|Edition=Editura Leda 2006 tp
|Pub=MMLTDCTMNR2006
|Publisher=Editura Leda
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Mai mult decât oameni<br />
|Edition=Editura Leda 2006 tp<br />
|Pub=MMLTDCTMNR2006<br />
|Publisher=Editura Leda<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:NBQBQFXBRT2014.jpg&diff=650265
File:NBQBQFXBRT2014.jpg
2022-11-29T11:38:57Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Noi
|Edition=Editura Polirom 2014 tp
|Pub=NBQBQFXBRT2014
|Publisher=Editura Polirom
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Noi<br />
|Edition=Editura Polirom 2014 tp<br />
|Pub=NBQBQFXBRT2014<br />
|Publisher=Editura Polirom<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:NWTVBQXFQF1998.jpg&diff=650264
File:NWTVBQXFQF1998.jpg
2022-11-29T11:36:29Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Noi
|Edition=Editura Paideia 1998 tp
|Pub=NWTVBQXFQF1998
|Publisher=Editura Paideia
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Noi<br />
|Edition=Editura Paideia 1998 tp<br />
|Pub=NWTVBQXFQF1998<br />
|Publisher=Editura Paideia<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:NNZZGVQRJG1991.jpg&diff=650263
File:NNZZGVQRJG1991.jpg
2022-11-29T11:34:53Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Noi
|Edition=Editura Humanitas 1991 tp
|Pub=NNZZGVQRJG1991
|Publisher=Editura Humanitas
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Noi<br />
|Edition=Editura Humanitas 1991 tp<br />
|Pub=NNZZGVQRJG1991<br />
|Publisher=Editura Humanitas<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Stonecreek&diff=649932
User talk:Stonecreek
2022-11-24T19:39:58Z
<p>Terraflorin: /* Can Such Things Be? */</p>
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<center>Welcome to my talk page!</center><br />
<center>For minor changes (such as additional information or obvious errors) you don't have to inform me (a found cover art credit does interest me, though).</center><br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive1|Archive 1]]<br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive2|Archive 2]]<br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive3|Archive 3]]<br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive4|Archive 4]]<br />
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
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Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
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When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
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Hello again :)<br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Agency ==<br />
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Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
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Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
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When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources needed ==<br />
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Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
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"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
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{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
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Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
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As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
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Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
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Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
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Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
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I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
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In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
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Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
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Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
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Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
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Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
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Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
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Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
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Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
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:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German poetry ==<br />
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If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
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What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
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The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
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When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
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The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
<br />
Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
<br />
https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
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Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
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* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
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:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
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I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
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::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
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Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
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Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry! I only am a self-approver right now; I'll post your request at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLaTondre#A_request_of_approval JLaTondre's talk page]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Florin, please add the variants to the original works. As the original was not all speculative fiction, if you find any contents that do not belong, they should be removed and deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Only the fantastic stories were translated in this book. Once again, many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2022 (EST)</div>
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
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Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
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When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
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Hello again :)<br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Agency ==<br />
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Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
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Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
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When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Sources needed ==<br />
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Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
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"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
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{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
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Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
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As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
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Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
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Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
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Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
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I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
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In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
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Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
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Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
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Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
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Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
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Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
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Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
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Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
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:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German poetry ==<br />
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If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
<br />
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
<br />
What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
<br />
The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
<br />
When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
<br />
The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian, <br />
<br />
Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
<br />
https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
<br />
About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
<br />
: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
<br />
Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
<br />
* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
<br />
Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
<br />
:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
<br />
I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
<br />
::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
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Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
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Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
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Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry! I only am a self-approver right now; I'll post your request at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:JLaTondre#A_request_of_approval JLaTondre's talk page]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::Edit has been approved. Florin, please add the variants to the original works. As the original was not all speculative fiction, if you find any contents that do not belong, they should be removed and deleted. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 24 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Nope. Only the fantastic stories were translated in this book. Once again, many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 14:32, 24 November 2022 (EST)</div>
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Stonecreek&diff=649902
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<center>For minor changes (such as additional information or obvious errors) you don't have to inform me (a found cover art credit does interest me, though).</center><br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive1|Archive 1]]<br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive2|Archive 2]]<br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive3|Archive 3]]<br />
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[[User talk:Stonecreek/Archive4|Archive 4]]<br />
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== Troubleshooting ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?593110 Here] exclusive for you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:05, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the hint, Wolfram! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:07, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::And [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366800 here]--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:11, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::: Ah, that one looks okay. Maybe this is one entry that you can learn from. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:13, 14 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
:::: Oh, that one looks not okay, not a good example to learn something, but a typical example for your excellent work, please find the typo.<br />
:::: But I don't want to take this to extremes, it's just a hint to first recognize your own mistakes before criticizing other users' mistakes. Good luck---[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 10:39, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::: Well, I never stated to be perfect: in fact nobody is. Mistakes do happen, the aim should be to learn from them.<br />
::::: On typos: one shouldn't think that they will never happen again. They have a tendency to creep in. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:03, 15 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::Still wrong, please look accurate.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] 16:55, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Feel free to correct typos. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:10, 1 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Iluustrations in Perry Rhodan #547, 4th printing ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I have just received the info that apparently the fourth printing of PR #547 had a fan illustraion in addition to Bruck's work, references are [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:JL#unbekannte_Zeichner_von_Innenillustrationen here]. Illustration #1 on p. 27 would not be by Bruck, but the following two would the same two as in the first printing. As I don't own printing #4, perhaps you could check and make the resp. edits? Thanks, John [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 06:51, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks very much, John! I really did not take the signature into account: the illustration is IMHO very near to Bruck's style, and I thought it was a illustration by him that found no place with the initial publication, which I do think has happened before with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?559092 PR 308], p. 63. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 19 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Peter Fischer Sternaux ==<br />
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Hello Christian, by adding two collections I create two entries for an artist:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318094 Peter Fischer Sternaux]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?307185 Peter Fischer-Sterneaux]<br />
I'm not sure, but I think both are wrong or typos. The correct name should be '''Peter Fischer-Sternaux'''. I found only three hints: [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bb-Reihe wiki bb-Reihe], [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompass-B%C3%BCcherei wiki Kompass-Bücherei] and [http://www.stiftung-plakat-ost.de/pers.htm East German poster artists]. Can you help me to add the hyphen to Peter Fischer Sternaux? Sterneaux will then be a variant of Sternaux. Thank you very much [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:09, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure! I added the hyphen. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:58, 30 September 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan 216 -> 217? ==<br />
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Hi Christan, can you check {{p|804985|Atlan 216}}? It looks like the number needs to change to 217, otherwise there will be two pub records with 216. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 02:19, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! I'll take care of my error. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:31, 29 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan 18 (2.Aufl.) Note ==<br />
Hi Christian, now the note has been erased completly. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4831473] I'm wondering about. Are you prepearing a new note? Can you please check this again? --[[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:33, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, Norman. I just removed a now surplus note about the cover art being the same as with the novella's first edition (and the cover design, I guess) which can be seen now with your upload.<br />
: I agree that it'd be nice, though, to have ''some'' notes, but you seem to be more competent than me regarding statements made in the issue, having the issue at hand. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:40, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789903|Exodus, #40}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I added the missing interior art, please take a look. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:03, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks for that! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:42, 16 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg ==<br />
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I have restored [[:Image:GRTMRCNSHR2002.jpg]]. It is used in a publication and "non-genre publication" is not a valid deletion reason for a book cover. By rule, only non-genre magazine covers are prohibited. Non-genre book covers are allowed and we have plenty of them. This disconnect in the rules has been discussed a number of times with no resolution. It's been awhile since the last discussion so it may be worth starting another rules and standards discussion. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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Okay, but this was what was told to me when I was a beginner here. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 26 November 2020 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|789904|Exodus, #41}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have changed a few things in this magazine. Please take a look and check the changes. I think now only the collage on page 54 is missing. Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 16:36, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Looks considerably better now! Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 16:52, 3 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::No, I made some mistakes, now we have three duplicates. I will take care of it. What you think about p. 54? Sorry for the mess [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Changes by unknown==<br />
(moved to the end of my talk page) [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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Hi Christian. I'm wondering about some changes which has be done by unknowe between my submitting and releasing by a moderator (which takes at the moment 1-3days). Example: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4848514]. I think a moderator is allthough confused about this circumstances. I've today cancelled myself some of my submitted tasks which should have runed into the void. As you know it's hard to wait with the procedure i has to work actually. It takes some days until a new magazine has been registrated in a propper way. But it is much more confusing if a third party doing some well-intentioned actions in the meantime. What is going on there? Is there perhaps a better way for me? I see you are working daily a you check my work, which is really perfect for me. Would it be perhaps a better way to do in the future some actions in a coordinated way together? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:06, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Well, yes! Maybe I should wait for a time with actions: the reason this happens is that I tend to deal with things the moment I run across them. Working in some areas at the same time does lead into the danger to forget about things. But if you would like to work in an area for some time on your own, we surely can bundle our actions in a more coordinated way. So, what are your plans for the nearest future (for example the coming week?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 5 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::Thank you for the explanation. At the moment, the long waiting time between the change request and its approval is my problem, especially if the facts have changed in between. In addition, there is a certain impatience on my part. Now I would like to complete volumes #51 to #60 in both the 2nd and 5th edition. Later also the issues 21 to 60 of the 3rd edition. The magazines are of course all in my possession. It would be of great and welcome help to me, for example, if you could briefly review my changes and perhaps if possible approve them once a day. Since you and me always have to carry out several steps into each other for a magazine and I don't want to lose the overview, I would concentrate 2-3 booklets a day. Would such a procedure be conceivable for you? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 03:19, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, I'll wait for your doings and perhaps review and add/change a few things later, if that's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:33, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::It would be perfect! I'm always interested to learn how such few things which could be very special are handled here. But first i've to wait for the still pending edits. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:17, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::: It seems Dirk (P. Broer) handled all or a part of the necessary doings overnight. Please take a look which of them still need to be dealt with. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:54, 6 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==PR 53 5.Auflage Essay==<br />
I've just submitted this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852526]. I didn't found the essay at 3|3.1 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1639876 Das Perry Rhodan-Lexikon] in this magazine. I found 3 Letters instead. But i found the essay in volume #51 instead. But some minutes before i submitted for #51 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4852524 this]. Can you please check and do the fixing, or please tell me how to proceed? [[User:Norman|Norman]] 04:04, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
:Perhaps the essay in #51 (by W. Voltz!) is not identical with the 'Werkstattbericht' by (Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid). I will check this! But anyway in #53 this has to be modified or deleted [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:14, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Result of check: the Essay in #1154, #920(2nd) and #51(5th) are identical! And the authors are Horst Hoffmann and Peter Terrid. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:26, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::: Many thanks for the corrections! It seemed just logical to assume that the essay on the 'Lexikon' would also appear in this issue (#53). I updated the title per merging and also removed it from issue #53 (5. Auflage). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:19, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::Never mind. I have to thank you for the help that accelerated this. Otherwise it would have taken days again. [[User:Norman|Norman]] 07:01, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:::::It might even be faster to import titles that already exist in the database - for example illustrations. It's possible to select contents on importing, or to import specified titles (this is done by entering the title no. in the lower half of the import screen). Basically, if there's only one title to import, I use the latter option, and if there is more than one title to import from one other publication I use the first option: it just requires to remove titles from a publication if there are some imported that don't belong to it (for example in PR #52, 5. Aufl., there were only two of the original four interior pieces of art reproduced). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:10, 9 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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::::::Many thanks again. This is very interesting. I'll try this next. I didn't know this function before. :-) [[User:Norman|Norman]] 05:58, 10 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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==Raumschiff Promet and its publication dates==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'll be changing the publication date of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?812248 #54]. The publication date of Astro Science Fiction #53 is stated as 14 November 1973 in #49. Cheers, John. [[User:JLochhas|JLochhas]] 15:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, many thanks for the info! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:03, 13 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== New Worlds 9 ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23789 this] is Mike Little. Credired on p.165 of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?204909 this] publication. Almost certainly the same artists responsible for the cover of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23793 this] as well. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 08:21, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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:Great find! Many thanks for the detective work, and have a merry Christmas! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:24, 24 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== John Taylor ==<br />
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We have been sorting out the various John Taylors and need a little help. Can you see [[User_talk:Username#John_Taylor|this discussion]] and let us know if {{P|4421|Beyond This Horizon}} provides any biographical information about the John Taylor that has a story (p116) and essay (p44) in it? We are trying to determine if they are the same person and whether they are from the UK physicist or the US author. [http://www.philsp.com/homeville/ISFAC/s313.htm#A4878 Contento] has both by the author. But the physicist supposedly did some science fiction plays and the essay title would align with a physicist. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:15, 28 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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: Sorry, there's no biographical information, but my best guess is that it's the British physicist: seems quite obvious for the essay, and the convention was something like a British showcase (with a bit of Continental Europe thrown in). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I added title notes with that information. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:42, 29 December 2020 (EST)<br />
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== Driftglas in German ==<br />
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{{p|371550|Driftglass}} cover by Barclaw Shaw [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 02:57, 7 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks! (but the variant / parent is still missing). Christian<br />
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== Philip K Dick ==<br />
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Added missing series to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55525 this] as <br />
"Writers of the 21st Century Series" (as printed on front) to conform with the rest of the volumes. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! I missed out on that one upon verifying. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:55, 16 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Hello, Rtrace.<br />
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I inserted the translation to the Portuguese (#819033) but in the summary of the author (#111330) appear like a new novel, not a translation. How to fix it?<br />
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How is the right way to put translations? Its a New Novel or Add Publication to This Title or Variant?<br />
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--[[User:Paulotecario|Paulotecario]] 09:48, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Hello, and welcome! You seem to have misdirected your question (since I'm not Rtrace). <br />
:But to answer: The right way to add translations usually is to enter a publication of the translation (correct title per title page of the publication, author name per title page of the publication, fitting language, translator, and other useful data), and than (after processing), variant to the canonical title. (The exception is if a translation under the exact same title already exists, than one can use the Add Publication or Clone Publication links). <br />
:For that reason the novel by N. K. Jemisin appears to be unconnected to its parent: it still needs to be varianted (the feature to use is the 'Make This Title a Variant' link). Since the entry does need some fixing (capitalization of title, price denomination, additional notes), I'll do the fixing and varianting for you. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:08, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== The format ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Careful with formats outside of Germany: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?819037 this] is [https://www.amazon.com.br/dp/8580579430 Dimensões : 23 x 15.6 x 1.8 cm] and a 23 cm book cannot be a pb under ANY definition. :) I fixed it. Also - when you find issues as severe as the ones with this book, please try to leave notes around - in this case both the editor who added and the moderator should have been reminded of what is wrong here. Fixing it is all great but unless someone tells the editor and the moderator, we will end up with more of those (I just caught 5 more of them and cleaned them up on approval). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry about the format: that one slipped through my radar surveillance. I had seen that you reminded the moderator about issues, and the editor was informed in the item just above this one (bare that false format I didn't pay attention to). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Well, a day later when they came asking :) It makes it easier to do it when the change is done - that way we do not miss these. :) I think we are all good now. Hope you are doing well! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Yes, I cope (as you'll likely also do): waiting for things to normalize the news came in that vaccination over here in Europe for the majority of people will take longer than expected, due to organizational & production complications, but otherwise health is still good in the family: no one got seriously ill so far. So it will take some more time of clenching one's teeth and staying calm. Hope you're doing as good as circumstances allow (or better). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:18, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That's good to hear. :) Pretty much -- living in one of the biggest counties in this country (biggest in the state) and not being old enough means that I am stuck home for the foreseeable future - they will take awhile to get to me for the vaccines. It all shall pass - hopefully... Oh well - stay safe - people tend to get even more careless than usual if they believe the end is close and that can cause problems even for the ones who are careful :( At least I can work from home... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: I hope you stay healthy in all the time waiting: that's the important thing, I'd think! Over here the old-aged are the first in line when it comes to the cure, then the system-sustaining persons, and pretty much later we normalized ones are thought of. Thought it would be sometime in Spring when it comes to our group, but it seems it will get hotter than that ... - just hoping the barbers will open before that, else there'll be much sweating (and much blindsight). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:03, 23 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Galery of Lem's star diaries illustrations ==<br />
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Hello Christian, [https://solaris.lem.pl/galeria/rysunki-lema here] you can see the most illustration from the Star Diaries. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 06:12, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
:Thanks! That does indeed help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:18, 31 January 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Overcorrecting again ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Please stop "correcting" things without even looking at the covers and title pages. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 This series] is not called "Mack 'n' Me" but "Mack 'n' Me 'n' Odyssey". Because of that we cannot strip "Mack 'n' Me" from the titles unless you want to do an internal set of series but the numbering may go wrong in the future so leaving them as they are is the cleanest way. I just spent some time fixing these again. I will appreciate if in the future instead of just going and removing anything that has ":" in the title, you either do some research OR ask the editor who actually worked on these (or both) and if I do not need to spend time correcting corrections. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
: PS: And the fact that you again changed someone's work without bothering to consult and/or at least notify the person is as unacceptable as it always had been. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:49, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a reminder that ''all'' record types -- pubs, titles, series, publication series, authors, awards, etc -- support Edit History as of 2021-01-14. When planning changes to a record, you can now review record history to see who else has worked on it.<br />
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:: Due to the way submissions work, sometimes you need to check other submission types to see full history. In this case, the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/series_history.cgi?61987 Edit History page] associated with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?61987 this series] doesn't tell you who created it. However, you can use Edit History pages associated with the titles in the series -- like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2822131 this page] -- to see who added the series information.<br />
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:: Hopefully, this will become one of our standard operating procedures as editors become used to this functionality and help lower everybody's stress level :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Sorry, but I took the longe name as some kind of pub. series (yes, then it should have been put into that field - it didn't feel quite correct also). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Then come and discuss before changing. My edits are all over this series and all its books, I've spent enough time with it to have an idea what is what (plus this is a known pattern with some series lately...). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|1650396|Etemenanki oder Die Fundamente von Himmel und Erde}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in {{T|2682309|Etemenanki}}? Here is the first paragraph [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/5/51/Simon_etemenanki.jpg of Etemenanki]. Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:21, 3 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I'll variant the title(s). Thanks, I just overlooked this. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:08, 4 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Secondhand Charm ==<br />
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What was with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4895041 this change]? Did you even look at the publication before making this change? I don't understand why you would change the credit on the verified pub without asking the verifier, but had you looked at the pub notes, it would have been clear that there are two separate artists involved. I restored the proper credit. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:38, 6 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry for that! ... and I even don't know what it was that has driven me to that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:48, 7 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg ==<br />
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[[:Image:PRRRHDNMZT1985.jpg]] was deleted by you, but it is still used in {{P|814576|this pub}}. Please check whether you forget to remove the image link or if it was used in multiple pubs and it is correct/incorrect for this one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 13 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Alan PETER Ryan ==<br />
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Alan Ryan started using his full name, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?144345], when he returned to writing in 2010. "Sexual Exploration Is a Crime" was published under his full name in 2019's Shivers VIII just like it was in Ryan's 2012 collection The Back of Beyond. It was never published as by Alan Ryan. --[[User:Username|Username]] 17:35, 14 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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:I'm inclined to believe you. However, the thing is that the title appears with the short name in a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727940 primary verified publication]. So you have to ask the primary verifier first if this is an overlooked mistake, before we could accept this change. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:17, 15 February 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Follow-up from the Moderator Noticeboard discussion ==<br />
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To follow up on the [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Abusive_Regularization|last Moderator Noticeboard discussion]]:<br />
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* As per the 2020 agreement, please limit your moderatorial activities to self-moderation until I change the software to support an explicit "self-moderation only" flag for editors<br />
* Please do not change the data in recently added/edited records without discussing it with the moderator who approved the submission. Doing so effectively circumvents the agreement and leaves both the approving moderator and the submitting user out of the loop.<br />
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These issues have been occurring for a long time now. Please make sure that they do not re-occur or else I will have to take administrative action. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:58, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== La trama celeste ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you share your sources for your statements of "First printing" and "Apparent first Edition" which you added [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?580480 here] today? None of the linked sources (OCLC and LTF) claim any of that (the Trantor is a later reprint and was used to verify the contents), your edit had no moderator notes and no notes identifying where these statements are coming from. Did you miss to add your sources?<br />
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On a separate note (less important but still valid) - reordering the statements in a publication notes field to fit your idea of what goes where in the notes (you moved the sources statement from the top to the bottom) is disrespectful to other editors - we all have our own styles of writing notes and we do not enforce style in this field. If you want ISFDB to start enforcing style, please go to R&S and find support. In the meantime, please respect your fellow editors (unless you are verifying of course - if you are PVing and there are no other PVs, you can change the note anyway you want). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:06, 6 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but the missing information is vital for out db and follows for the edition from Wikpedia. <br />
:The printing is necessary to add for a db that goes to index different ones. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:39, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Can you please point to a source that identifies this as a definitive first printing? Because what you are describing is an assumed first printing - unless it is confirmed somewhere, there is a possibility for an earlier printing run in the same year that is different. Statements of printing which lack the qualification “assumed” should have a source. Your opinion that this must be a first printing is just your opinion and not a fact unless it is supported by a source (primary or secondary). Otherwise we become the source of that specific information - and being a source of unverified information is not what this DB is supposed to be. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:51, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::I think it's quite clear that it's a first edition, but for the faint possibilty that there was a previous edition within the same year, I'll update the note.<br />
:::On the printing rank: unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one. And if there are more printings in 1948 we should clarify it for the sake of an editor supplying a higher one. It's quite unlike you to make things more difficult for additional publications and to be content with stub notes. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::: Re:<br />
::::* unless you know that there's more than one printing of this edition within the same year it ''should'' be noted that our entry is for the first one<br />
:::: it's the other way around. Like other statements that we make in Notes, we add an unqualified "First printing" statement if -- and '''only if''' -- we have a source indicating that the publication is the first printing of the given edition. That source can be either the publication itself or a secondary source. Without a source, we can, at most, enter "Assumed first printing" or words to that effect. This is explained in the "Printings" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:PubNote]], e.g.:<br />
::::* If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition." <br />
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:::: Checking the database, I see that you have created 9263 EditPub submissions with the words "First printing" in Notes. We will now have to review and, if necessary, correct all of them. I will be creating a cleanup script which will identify all affected publication records, both PV'd and unverified. The number of affected publications will be lower than 9263, but the cleanup process will still be very time consuming.<br />
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:::: This is a major issue. Given this problem with understanding core data entry rules and the previously discussed repeated issues with adhering to the terms of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek#Follow-up_from_the_Moderator_Noticeboard_discussion self-moderation agreement], I am suspending your moderator flag until this issue has been sorted out and software support for "self-moderation only" editors has been added. We will review and discuss where we stand once these issues have been addressed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:31, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::::: Sorry to disagree: when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database, it ''is'' meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, '''and''' we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:46, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::: This specific book is sourced from OCLC and LTF. You do not invent data that is not on the record unless you can explain it. Stating First Printing with no qualifiers means that we are stating that this specific book in these sources is the first printing definitely (if we know that but we cannot verify that the sources point to our book, the IDs should not be added to it (or if added, the note should explain that they do not state first printing) and the note on the sources should explain that they are possibly for a different version of the book ). There is nothing in any source to support such unqualified claim. So “Assumed First Printing” is the best that can be used. Anything else is a fabrication and essentially creating information that then can be used by someone else and considered definitive. If we fabricate information, we cannot be trusted as a dB. If you cannot understand that, I am not sure how exactly to explain it better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:19, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: Those sources only would possibly index a first printing if it's stated in a publication (though not necessarily so). We do have a different policy: we state a publication as ''apparent first printing''. So it'd be okay to state a first printing until we know if it's an apparent or a stated one (most likely supplied by a PV). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:34, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::: Can you please point to me where this policy is specified? Because Ahasuerus already posted above our rules and they contradict it. And any other rule I had seen had been clear: each fact added should have a source - the book preferably, a secondary source if not possible. We do not invent data. If we have a documentation mismatch that actually allows us to invent data we should fix it so we do not confuse our editors. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:56, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::: I'm pretty sure you propagated it in one of the many arguments with Wolfram, I just haven't found it by now. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 7 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::: I had said that it is ok to add "First Printing" with no qualifications and no support of any source (other books or online sources) or the book? Very unlikely but sure, find it, I will be interested to see that and we can see what exactly was said there and in what context. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::::: If my memory is correct, you stated that it'd be okay to state 'Apparent first printing.' (and we'd accordingly have to wait what is there in a yet unverified publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:34, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::: You realize the difference between “Apparent/Assumed First Printing” and a non qualified “First Printing”, right? Had you used the first here, we do not have a problem. You used the latter and then went on explaining how that is ok. A person browsing the site and seeing the statement with no qualifiers won’t think “oh, this says First printing but does not say stated so this may not be one”, they will think “first printing means first printing”. That is the crux of the problem here. Reread again everything I said so far and the excerpt from the rules above - adding a statement is not the issue, adding an unqualified one is. And then when you updated the note you changed the edition line leaving the unqualified printing one in place. (I cleaned it up when I fixed the sources issue). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:04, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::::::::::::: Well, okay! I see the benefit of stating the more cautious version for people not aware of the difference between PVed and non-PVed pub.s (or PVed but not thoroughly reviewed). I guess that's a case of deep-in-blindness. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:15, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::::::::::::: Most people won't realize what the PV table means when the find the page online (we had had enough new editors that did not and they were here to edit). And implying that it is ok to just add whatever to non-PVd publications is a bit offensive to all the editors who had done a lot of work through the years piecing things together from secondary sources and being very careful to chase any sources (with different levels of sloppiness sometimes but we are all human) - I am aware that this is not you meant but I hope you understand what I am saying here. That's why listing sources and qualifications are important (and listing what from the sources does not match our record and why when we have sources disagreeing) - if we made a mistake because a source was mistaken, it is not so good but we had a source and we did not create a piece of information that is untrue; if we just added a statement which was mistaken/misleading, we become the source now - and before long all other sites will use our data even from unPVd pubs and uprooting these errors later is hard (just look at the Larry Correia birthday problem - we did not originate it but someone did). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Authors difference in publications and titles ==<br />
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I have two of your submissions on hold because they run contrary to the basic rules of data entry on the site ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931312 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4931313 this one]) - we do NOT change the title authors in such cases, we leave the title author as uncredited and then variant to a parent with the known authors. Our rules are very clear about that - the exact text from the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:TitleFields:Author help page is]:<br />
"If there is a publicly available source which identifies the uncredited title's author, it will be later turned into a variant title using the author's canonical name." (please note that this is part of the TITLE author field and there is no exception for EDITOR records).<br />
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However, before I rejected them outright, I checked the German magazines (which had been your domain for years) and this had been going for a very long time so I went digging to see if there is a reason for that. Unless I missed it, there had not been an attempt to change the rules to make an exception for the German language magazines (I already spent my Sunday chasing this so I stopped somewhere ~2013). The only time this was even remotely mentioned is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author this Cleanup report] which had been implemented in the usual way (leave the big sets for the end so a plan can be made for them; it is regrettable that the report was never completely implemented but that does not constitute a change of rules - these records are still against the rules). <br />
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Is there a policy in some obscure place that I missed (and that needs to be added to the rules) or do we need to mount yet another cleanup effort to bring all of these records to policy? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Well, that's the way they were entered at the beginning of entering the series (and it wasn't me who began that), and I just followed the example that was already there. I don't see any major problem with the way it is for those, since 'uncredited' poses no pseudonym. But we could also work through the lot, if you're there to do a lot of unmerging, merging and/or varianting. And if you prefer it: sure, we can install a cleanup report for it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: I read this several times now. Are you really accusing me of starting these author mismatches? You know perfectly well that when I began with the Perry Rhodan series, I used a secondary source (Perrypedia) and tried to be as complete as possible. Any use of uncredited and starting the discrepancy between publication and title author is yours! --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 11 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:: We already have a cleanup report for author mismatches, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 ''Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author'']. When it was [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard/Archive_18#Publication_Authors_That_Are_Not_the_Title_Author|modified in 2015 to add EDITOR/MAGAZINE and EDITOR/FANZINE mismatches]], I mentioned that it was coded to "ignore[] German magazines because we have about 1,400 Perry Rhodan mismatches on file. Once the other 126 mismatches have been resolved, we can revisit the PR issue."<br />
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:: Unfortunately, the issue was never revisited, so now we have 5,375 mismatches, including 1,500 non-Perry Rhodan mismatches. Some are PR-related, including 434 Atlans, while others are not. Better late than never... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:14, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: It won’t be that hard I suspect - two step process (create parent with the authors that are there now and then clean the authors of the current record (and fix both dates while at it) will clear a whole year of uncredited issues. The only unmerges needed will be when there are pubs credited differently. <br />
:::: Yes, mostly, but there are a few elaborate title notes that shouldn't be lost (or should be transposed). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:26, 8 March 2021 (EST) <br />
::::: So a third edit. :) Still Not so bad. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:29, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: As for why we must finish the cleanup - we are a DB. Differences in data structures is a problem when one writes queries to find something - inconsistencies like that should have a very good reason. Being German and uncredited is not one of those unless we change the rules officially. :)<br />
::: Can I request an update of the report or should I do it over in CS? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:21, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And is there a report for the case above: i. e. the 'First printing' affair? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:30, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Not yet - unlike the one here, that one is not preexisting... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
(unindent) OK - I approved both merges so their pubs are brought into where they belong and then fixed both of these title records to follow the way we handle uncredited publications with known authors from elsewhere. Just a gentle reminder - when you are making the yearly series, the date of it should be the year itself (so 1991-00-00) and not the date of the first issue. <br />
: PS: As you are the PV on a lot of them, we know who to ask but it will be extremely useful to add some notes on the series level ([http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?43528 here] and all the others) where the editors names are coming from. Or on the individual years although adding them up on the series level may be cleaner and clearer. Or even on the parent [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28689 series]. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:40, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Dmitry Glukhovsky's "Text" ==<br />
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A quick FYI re: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2652577 this title]. Back in 2019 you [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4484074 added the following note]: "Described as a crime / techno-thriller; it may be nongenre." As per the plot summary on Wikipedia, this is a non-genre thriller. I have updated the German VT and the Russian parent title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:28, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
: I can confirm it is non-genre. If I can remember where my book is (because I do not see it where it is supposed to be), I will verify a Russian version and clean the note after that. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:56, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks, Ahasuerus! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:58, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== GOMINE — Walzenraumer der Hijthi (scheme) ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Did you mean to make [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2841677 this] a short story or did you forget to switch to Interior art? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:32, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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: It's an artwork, which I just realized upon submitting. I'll correct it with adding the cover image. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 22:53, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:11, 8 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== These variants ==<br />
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I rejected a few - there is no point changing the author in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4932961 such cases]. 30 of the 33 magazines need to stay under the title as is. 3 need to be split and varianted... Changing the author here will result in a lot more work. I think I approved a few earlier so I will clean the created mess based on that... but please look at the list of magazines before changing the authors. Thanks! 00:10, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Those issues have to be reviewed (and the credit chenged) anyway. But my idea was to first complete the (1. Auflage), and then come back to it. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:19, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: But in the process you are moving issues from "Pub and title matches" to "they do not match" so when the report gets deployed, someone will try to fix them again and we will do the same work multiple times. If you are going to be reviewing the publications anyway, let's start with them. Fix the magazines themselves inside of a year, then fix the titles correctly. Otherwise we will be chasing these until next Christmas :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:34, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: Uhmmm, yes, your're probably right. I just have to dig these copies out of their vault. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Wstęp (Dzienniki gwiazdowe) ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4935029 this one]. Either we claim we do not know who to credit to (so unknown) (because we really have no idea it is Lem's or not) or it is Lem's... We cannot have it both ways (and even if it was rare, other people did write introductions for his books in Polish:) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:43, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:What is unknown, I think, is if it's credited to Lem or his alter ego Professor Tarantoga. Usually the introduction should be the same as the first one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?820586 here], since there the eighth and the eighteenth journey (and the ominous circumstances of their coming-to-be & inclusion) are talked about; it should also be in-universe fiction. The only somewhat irregular thing is the discussion of a 'LEM' as author of the 'Star Diaries' since the Lunar Excursion Mobile would have a far too small electronic brain for such a task - it seems somewhat pre-timed for 1966, but the 1971 should be at least a variant of the 1966 piece. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: And your source for this please? Unless you have something better than guesses here, this stays unconnected. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:04, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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::: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work3309 Fantlab], there were 4 introductions to the "Ijon Tichy" collections published between 1954 and 1976. All of them were in-universe essays as by "Professor Tarantoga" (one of the characters in the series), but the text differed from edition to edition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:41, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: Beat me to it - I was planning to go digging on Russian and Polish sites today to see if I can find something. :) Feel free to makre the changes and add sources on the pub level and cleanup the notes. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:51, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::::: Thank you for the research. Will do the updates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:12, 13 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Uralt, mein Feind ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4934516 this one]: Rudam PVd it 4 years before you did. Are you absolutely sure that his book does not have the first edition stated? When he [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?3337533 added it], his note read "noted stated"? I propose to wait for him to verify before we remove the stated qualifier... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:11, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, I'm sure: checked it two times! Rudolf has quite often the "noted stated" misprinting (when it should read "not stated"). It's ''very'' unusual for this publisher to not state a first German edition (and at first I fell for this trap), but it's in fact what is there. As a hint see the difference between the DNB and/or OCLC entries for this one and the one for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?676175 Vazkor] for example (fifth line of the DNB entry). I guess the (missing) information was copied from another publication in the sub-series 'Science Fiction Classics', in which ''usually'' real classics are published (and ones that were published before in German). For the Dickson the collection's original English publication was just five years before and the single stories weren't in every case so much older. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:32, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:: You checked Rudam’s book two times? I have no concerns with your book at all (although why a day earlier you thought it says that is a bit of a mystery but mistakes happen) - my concern is not what the book you are holding says. My concern is the other PV’s copy. Would you have accepted this edit if it was not your book and you were moderating and a second editor was changing major data points in the notes (which they confirmed matching the previous day) or would you have tried to ensure first that they are holding the same edition and we do not need a clone instead? Apparently Ron read the initial status of this note as saying that the value is stated as well (that’s why he approved your changes the previous day). You are probably right that you have the same book but I’d still try to discuss that with the other PV first. :) If he is not around for awhile, then we can change that with a note explaining what the other PV had stated before (“The first PV had marked the edition as “noted stated”. It is assumed, based on the usual practices of the German publishers, that this is a misprint for “not stated” and there is only one version of this book” for example or words to that effect). That way it is clear what happened here and in case we read the weirdly phrased statement wrong, we have the paper trail for the change. What do you think? <br />
:: There are 9 books with this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=Noted+stated+ note]. I will ping him to clarify what he meant and we can easily sort them out. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 08:50, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Well, no, of course I didn't check Rudolf's book, just checked my copy, but mine does seem to be printed the same way as the ones catalogued at DNB and OCLC. Sure we can add the note accordingly. The examples are mostly for Goldmann & Bastei Lübbe publications in the mid-Seventies, and in these times both publishers didn't state first German editions. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: And this should also go in the note, as it is a justification of why you read the statement the way you do. :) So let’s do that in order - leave a message to him, if he does not respond in a few days (he seems to be away just now), send another update with the note properly added. Thoughts? Meanwhile I will work with him to sort out the 9 publications with this note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:25, 12 March 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Spektrum der Wissenschaft, #3.21 cover ==<br />
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Where is the title and date coming from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937197 here]? I do not see a note anywhere in the publication, cover record and there are no moderator notes? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:43, 15 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's from the original appearance of the piece as interior art. Will add the according note to the parent title (and correct the title type). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved. Add this in the moderator note next time. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Reinhold Kammler ==<br />
<br />
Could you please clarify what the proposed note -- "Was 1981 at home in Vienna, Austria" -- in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4937820 this submission] means? Does it mean that he lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes. Would it be better to phrase it as "Was 1981 living in Vienna, Austria"? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks for clarifying! I have changed it to "Known to have lived in Vienna, Austria as of 1981." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 11:20, 16 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #147: Amoklauf der Maschinen ==<br />
<br />
When you have a chance: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?654734 this one] remained the only mismatched one in one of the years you cleared. I am not sure if it needs an update or to be split out so leaving that to you. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:28, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do the update. Thanks for the hint! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Wünsch dir was! ==<br />
<br />
Hello again :)<br />
<br />
Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2837007 this] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2363651 this]? If they are the same, they need a merge. If not, we need to disambiguate or at least add notes. As you have both magazines, you are in the best place to figure out what we need to do :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:49, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Ah, yes! The 2018 one was published quite a while back, so that I didn't realize that the title was used again (they might be developed into a series: I'll see if there are future instalments. For now, I'll disambiguate the two: thanks for finding them! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:06, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:09, 17 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Agency ==<br />
<br />
Added the second ASIN in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800153 this one] and cleaned the note (the note was there because the ASIN was not working on amazon.de (misspelled a bit in the note...) and the ISBN was not leading anywhere on the German Amazon when I added it). When there are different ASINs across the Amazons for the same edition, we list all the ones we source from and add a note which belongs to which Amazon. Thankfully it does not happen too often outside of certain US/UK paired publishers (but when it happens, it can be annoying). So just heads up! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]<br />
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:Thanks, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Zweitausendvierundachtzig: Orwells Albtraum ==<br />
<br />
Hello again, <br />
<br />
Both OCLC and DNB show [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?828410 this one] as part of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?2152 AndroSF]. Not sure if you left it out intentionally or not but just heads up. If it was intentional, is there something that makes it different from the rest of the series (I add books from this series occasionally so if there are some specifics, I'd love to know them). :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll upload the image, add more contents and the series: I forgot to add the series, but I usually review my recent edits to find typos, mistakes and omissions like this one; but thanks for keeping an open eye: there may still some faults slipping through. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: I would have just put on my monitor list to see if there will be an update later but as it was a series I work on now and then, I wanted to make sure it was not intentional and I do not need to look out for something in the books that have the series. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:06, 18 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #799: Abschied von Terra ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?380654 This one] needs either to be split out or have its editors fixed. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:03, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, thanks for finding this one. Submission under way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:04, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Old sites on author pages ==<br />
<br />
Instead of removing them completely, see if archive.org will give you a snapshot we can use. Like I just did [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?265255 here]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:55, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Franziska Wolff ==<br />
<br />
When you have a chance, add a note either [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?323974 here] or in the parent where the pseudonym is disclosed. I take you at your word that it is in a book so I approved but let's add the note. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:59, 21 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Sources needed ==<br />
<br />
Can you share a source for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942497 this change] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4942402 this change]. Unless we have a source telling us that an English author does not get shelved under their last name, we always assume it is the last name only. Spanish and Portuguese are different but English is very straightforward in this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:22, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:You're right, of course. For a reason unknown I thought that the rules were different for 'classic' authors. I'll cancel and resubmit. Thanks, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:44, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: We use this name for the Author Directory and for sorting in searches if you chose to order by that. So having the value as someone expects it (which for English speakers will be last name) is what makes sense. So for Romilly, a quick search finds [https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/romilly-hugh-hastings-4502 this] and if a Dictionary of Biography has him under Romilly, that's where we want him :) Galactic Central has Estay under E ([http://www.philsp.com/homeville/gfi/s349.htm#A9915 here] but as you know the link is not stable so we cannot link it directly) - which is not as definitive as a dictionary but I would follow their lead unless I have another source somewhere. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:53, 22 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Atlan, #200: Herrscher im Mikrokosmos ==<br />
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"Juli 1982" and 1982-06-15 [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?829057 here] :) I suspect a copy/paste mistake from the previous entry in the note but as these are hard to spot, heads up so you can sort it out when you add the cover. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:58, 23 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Will do. Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:00, 24 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Gate of Ivrel ==<br />
<br />
{{P|514656|Gate of Ivrel}} has the same cover art as {{P|279676|Orbit UK PB}} edition [[User:Ofearna|Susan O&#39;Fearna]] 19:50, 25 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Oh, yes! Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:05, 26 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Possible Typos ==<br />
<br />
Here are some possible database typos:<br />
* millenial - {{T|127268|Millenial Eve(s) (drama review)}} in {{P|59018|Interzone, #132 June 1998}}<br />
* phenomenom - {{T|1612366|English-Language SF as a Socio-Cultural Phenomenom}} in {{P|211705|Science Fiction Studies, Second Series}}<br />
* relevations - {{T|1166830|Deep Space, Deeper Relevations}} in {{P|59009|Interzone, #157 July 2000}}<br />
If you could please check and correct or add title notes, it would be appreciated. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Will do my best, though the SF-Studies book will need some searching. Thanks for the hints, [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Drachengestirn ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you find [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?500470 this book] and come join us [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Thomas_F._Monteleone.27s_Dragonstar here] while we are trying what to do with these books. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:09, 12 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks, I have answered there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:56, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: You have an answer - sounds like you need to move this translation? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:17, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver testing ==<br />
<br />
As I said on [[ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Bottleneck_at_moderation_level]], last week I changed the software to support "self-approval" -- see [[ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-approval_support]]. It was a fairly significant change and you are now the first editor to test it on the live server. Self-approvers should be able to approve and reject their own submissions. Please give it a try and let me know if you run into any issues.<br />
<br />
Also, please be extra careful when editing records which other editors have worked on. Communication is key :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:25, 13 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thank you very much, I'll test it. And from now on I'll be very cautios with other people's work. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:33, 14 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German translations of Irma Chilton ==<br />
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Hi Christian,<br />
I need help with some complex editing of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?223006 Irma Chilton].<br />
Right now the situation is as follows:<br />
* She has written two short novellas: "Take Away the Flowers" and "Fuller's World".<br />
* These have been published as a collection with the name "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* There are three German language publications by her:<br />
** "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" (Boje)<br />
** "1. Auftrag im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
** "Schmuggel im All" (Pelikan Tramp-Buch), indicated as a licensed publication from Boje<br />
<br />
Right now "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is claimed to be the translation of "Take Away the Flowers". It is right now unknown (in the database), which are the sources of the two Tramp books.<br />
<br />
I do not own either of the books, but from what I have read in several forums (e.g. [https://forum.sf-fan.de/viewtopic.php?p=196266#p196266 at SF-Fan]) I am 100% sure that:<br />
* "Weltraumpilot Tom Davies in Aktion" is a translation of the entire collection "Take Away the Flower & Fuller's World".<br />
* "1. Auftrag im All" is "Take Away the Flowers".<br />
* "Schmuggel im All" is "Fuller's World".<br />
<br />
In my opinion this would be the only explanation that makes sense, and it is in line with what I have seen in other publications in the Tramp series. The Tramp books are sub-licenses of Boje that is mentioned in the books. In that case all translations would be by Siegfried Schmitz (which is not mentioned there).<br />
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Also, I think that the cover artwork of "Schmuggel im All" could be by Edward Blair Wilkins but that should be checked separately.<br />
<br />
Even if you think that these changes are too much of a risk as they are speculations without checking the original publications I wanted to document my findings here so that others do not need to start from the beginning.<br />
<br />
Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 02:54, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:I think you're right in your assumptions, since both Tramp books are stated as licensed by Boje. Thanks for the informational update, I'll converge the titles accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:28, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Good solution that you have found. Thanks! [[User:Naut|Naut]] 05:08, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:37, 26 April 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Eschbach, Abschied von der Erde ==<br />
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Hello Christian, can you help me to add this [http://www.andreaseschbach.de/files/abschied-von-der-erde.html story]? Thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure. Would you like to try it? Here's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?765405 an analogous example] (of course - or likely - we don't know much about the pages or the price). Only be sure to mark it as nongenre. I'll take a second look after the edit, if it's okay. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, thank you for the example. Here is the result: {{P|836910|Die Welt, Samstag, 20. April 2019}}. I hope everything is correct, please take a look. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 09:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Looks good! Maybe a note on the source of the shortfiction (author's web page) would be fine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Now with the link. Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 13:18, 16 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== {{P|833362|Nova, #30}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, in this pub is a gap from p.101 to p.160. Should I add the contents? Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:19, 26 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:If you'd like to do it you're welcome. It got somehow lost in my to-do list: wanted to read & enjoy the contents in full before entering them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:02, 27 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Hello Christian, everything is done (I hope). Please take a look [[User:Henna|Henna]] 15:28, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Great work! Thank you very much! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 17:10, 28 May 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Aligning notes'' ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian! What is the meaning of the phrase ''aligning notes'' as a justification, when you make changes in the notes where we are both PV? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 06:46, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It means to have the notes as in other publications of a given series. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:50, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::Whereby your wording and your order of the individual notes are predetermined? Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 07:25, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Not necessarily, but with 'Titan' it seemed somehow useful for the avid reader to have one orientation. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: One other thing that seems more important is the role of Wolfgang Jeschke: he is credited as co-editor but doesn't appear with the parent title (and is obviously not a pseudonym used by Aldiss): would 'Wolfgang Jeschke (in error)' possibly be more appropriate? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:41, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::Do I understand that correctly, that the decision of what may be necessary and what is useful for an avid reader is made by you? Other PV should follow accordingly even if they are the first making a different entry in the notes? [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Well, the more there is in the notes the more there is that a user might find useful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:14, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::Well, but sometimes less is even more.But you still haven't answered my question. So I can assume that you keep changing some notes of mine that have the similar content as yours and feel the urge to change the sequence of my notes, even though I am the first PV. Also, I didn't catch that the notes of a given series have to be structurally identical. Could you please guide me to the corresponding rule. I appreciate your effort. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:48, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: If you feel the way that unstructured notes for publications where you are the first PV should prevail we can leave it at that. Sorry that you might feel I have stepped on your toes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:40, 8 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::Nice that you've got it. BTW, in case you haven't noticed, in practically all ISFDB pubs, the notes aren't structured. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:47, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::::::: Yeah, but the majority of them generally have only stub notes; that shouldn't be a reason to not work on them. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::''Wolfgang Jeschke'' isn't the editor of the original anthologies, but he is of course the editor of the entire ''Titan-series''. We can't leave him out. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 10:55, 7 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It's only that he didn't do editorial work other than for other translated works (anthologies among them), where he ain't credited. The contents for 'Titan' were selected by other editors, and Jeschke only organized the translations and the cover artworks; there seems to be no original content work he did. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:12, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From that point of view you are right, but his name is associated with all 21 TITAN issues and is emphasized on the cover, spine and title page. It reminds me a bit of the alleged part, Isaac Asimov played as editor for the Greenberg/Waugh anthologies. His name was prominently featured on the cover. I would therefore recommend, just as with Asimov, that his name be kept. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 12:11, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Okay, I'm fine with that point of view. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:24, 9 June 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Makroleben ==<br />
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Cover art of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?364664 this] is Angus McKie. Same cover art as on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87404 this] book. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:25, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Many thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 14:36, 11 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)'' ==<br />
<br />
Checking the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?731973 edit history] of the paperback edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?731973 ''Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''], I see that the title was originally entered by [[User:Galacticjourney]], one of the contributors, as "Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)". On 2019-09-23 you moved "Rediscovery" to the "Series" field. On 2019-10-14 Annie removed "Rediscovery" from related title records.<br />
<br />
Yesterday, [[User:Galacticjourney]] [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Can.27t_log_in indicated] that "Rediscovery" is part of the title proper as opposed to a series name. As far as I can tell, there are no related books with "Rediscovery" in the title, so it would appear that he is right. Would it be OK to change the title back to ''Rediscovery: Science Fiction by Women (1958-1963)''? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:47, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Yeah, it should stay in the title. Looks like I just fixed the extremely sloppy editing that removed it in half of the places (in preparation of cloning for the ebook) without checking if it should have been edited to start with (my bad on that). :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:48, 17 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
:: Without a second volume in the series, it is best to put 'Rediscovery:' back into the title(s) proper (which I just did; I also corrected the stated 'First edition' for the ebook). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:36, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: It is the first edition of the ebook, Look inside even showed it when I looked when I added it. Why would you “correct” it? Can you please share your research that led to removing data from the edition? The only cited source is Amazon and it says so. So we record it. If you have other information, please add your sources and reasoning to the edit. Otherwise, please do not edit something to contradict the cited sources. <br />
::: And apparently you could not be bothered to fix the titles that take their names from the reference title (again) so I will finish your edit again. :)[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 09:49, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: The statement for a first edition was obviously erroneous, the print edition preceded it. If it's stated, 'Stated first edition' would be right to add to the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:26, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It looks like there may be some minor discrepancies between what Look Inside shows and what the Amazon.com record shows. For example, Look Inside says "August 2019" while the displayed Amazon record says "September 2, 2019" (perhaps the date when the e-book became available at Amazon?). It would be helpful to document these discrepancies in Notes to avoid questions in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:42, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: If the source and the book declare this as a first edition, we document that (or you add notes explaining the discrepancy). "Apparent first ebook edition" is nonsense in this case because of what the sources are saying. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: That's why 'Stated first edition' would be right, as explained above. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:07, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: With a single source, anything un-attributed specifically comes from that source - which in this case is Amazon and the statement "data from Amazon" makes it clear. Adding Stated is not needed here - but I added a note where exactly it comes from. None of that explains your "Apparent first ebook edition" from earlier today. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:25, 18 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Weg zum Mars ==<br />
<br />
Just a quick note to let you know that I have adjusted the parent authors of your [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854643 verified ''Der Weg zum Mars'']. Is it safe to assume that it was the only volume in the trilogy translated by Heyne? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 12:10, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for the updating! I wasn't able to find the original novel (and Хачатурьянц) at Wikipedia or at FantLab. There was a German edition of 'На астероиде', which I'm gonna to add this week, but I don't know yet if it's part of the series, at first glance the book didn't give a hint towards that. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:28, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: According to [https://fantlab.ru/work780752 FantLab], it's part 2 of a trilogy:<br />
::* Путь к Марсу (first serialization 1978, first book publication 1979)<br />
::* На астероиде (first serialization 1981, first book publication 1984)<br />
::* Здравствуй, Фобос! (first serialization 1982, first book publication 1988)<br />
<br />
:: Unfortunately, since FantLab's bibliographies are author-centric, finding anything published by authors who do not have "curated" bibliographies is a chore. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::: Thanks!. It was (theoretically) possible to search by publisher, but the publications appeared to be not ordered chronologically, and I have to admit, that I gave up after the first twenty-something. But I'll add the 'На астероиде' to the series upon entering. Thanks again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:58, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== German poetry ==<br />
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If you have a minute, can you check if you can find earlier editions for [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#Need_a_little_help these poems]? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:16, 20 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:It's seems possible that the poems were published before 1905 in a magazine or a newspaper. I have found no evidence for this, however. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:20, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Yeah, I cannot find anything either. I did not put the word first in the notes exactly because I was not sure it is first so that’s the best we can do for now I guess. :) Thanks for looking. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 21 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Your capitalization changes ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a reminder to write moderator notes when you make extensive changes like the ones here: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5100882 Changes in every story] (or any changes really when other editors had worked on a record)? While it may be obvious to you, it won't be in 3 years. Also - when you do that kind of changes, don't forget to follow up on any parents that may exist (it is wrongly created and I am cleaning it up but there was a parent out there with the old capitalization. I would have also posted a reminder for the editor although Portuguese may need some reversals - European and Brazilian Portuguese capitalize differently apparently (why would anything be easy). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:53, 28 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the reminder, Annie (and for the information to the editor)! Right now, I'm working on works and publications by Lem. Nevertheless, I tend to do other things that I run across, and maybe, that's not as good a idea as it seems to be (but on the other hand, every betterment has its benefit). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:09, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Oh, it is always a good idea. Just get in the habit of adding moderator notes - especially when doing cleanup. I started way back when before I became a moderator and now it is a second nature. We don’t need an essay - just a reminder note - in this case I’d say “capitalization” and be done. Makes the “what happened here” easier to parse. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:14, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Allan Quatermain ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5102776 This] had a very interesting price. Can you check to make sure I picked the correct currency when fixing it? Pre-unification German currencies trip me up occasionally. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:04, 29 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: Ooooops! Yes, a strange price that was indeed, thanks for the find. DM is correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 30 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Orphan Perry Rhodans ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you figure out in which PR series do these 3 fit:<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843076 Perry Rhodan, #282: Die Spur führt zu Jagos Stern]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843074 Perry Rhodan, #281: Kampf in der Tiefsee]<br />
* [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843072 Perry Rhodan, #280: Die Weltraumdetektive greifen ein]<br />
They had been sitting on the board alone since March and are starting to feel a bit lonely... Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:11, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: And while you are around [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?856123 Perry Rhodan Sonderband] also needs a series. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:13, 6 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for the findings, Annie! Will do the first, but the 'Sonderband' seems to be a one-shot so far: it was published to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the series, and there may be more in five and/or ten years. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:12, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Editor records need to be part of series in the DB. So either it is a magazine/fanzine (and has one) or it is a different thing and needs a type change. Your choice. I’d just stick the name of the Pub itself as a series for now. Or put it directly under the master PR series - surely it must be connected to the big sprawling universe in there. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:28, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Okay, you're double right: I did some research at Perrypedia, and there were in fact two previous publications in the series, different in character, though (not entered so far). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:38, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::::: Always fun when that happens, isn’t it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Tom O'Bedlam oder der arme Tom von Bethlehem ==<br />
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What do you mean with "The cover design should be credited to Atelier Ingrid Schütz on the copyright page." [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?594754 here]? I am wondering about the "should be" part of the sentence :) What are you trying to convey exactly? And there is another "should be" over there - both sound like an attempt to say something which came out weirdly in English. Did you mean "most likely" or "with a certain degree of certainty even though we have no access to the book" or "based on other books, it is expected to be there"? If so, the better expression will be "most likely" plus a note about the reason for your thinking that it is the case. Or just state where you got the information from and don't try to guess what is on the copyright page if you do not have access to it. <br />
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The way it is written now is as if you are telling the printer what to put on the pages, not a format that shows what might be on the page. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:59, 12 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Noted. Thanks for the help! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:56, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Parabel vom Sämann ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331034 review] for Die Parabel vom Sämann [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362530 here] is connected to the English title and not the German one. Is it reviewing the English title or is that a leftover from some of the old conventions? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
: In the same book [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1331033 this one] is connected to a short story and not the collection and a few more are going to the English titles. You may want to check them all. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 22 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:: No, these are the German title and the anthology reviewed (didn't review the connections upon veryifying). I'll reconnect. Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: We have a new report for cross-language reviews: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?301 here] - while we were fixing languages and splitting language versions in the last years, we forgot the reviews connections somehow. You may want to check the German ones in there - sometimes they need to stay like that so if there is a PV I will be knocking on their doors to check/verify anyway shortly. So if you have the time and inclination, some help will be appreciated. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:06, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: PS: Like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?412301 this one]. Are all of those non-German titles really used like that in the book (as the review titles) and are they reviewing the original texts? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:09, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Yes, they are; at least they are titled this way. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:18, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::::: I'll clear these from the report then later so someone does not decide to fix them. I'd add a general note in the publication as well if I were you explaining that (it is uncommon so more notes, the better). Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:24, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Menagerie von Babel ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you check if [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2055389 this story] has 7 or 17 in the title? I would not be surprised if it got changed for German but just making sure it is not a typo in the DB. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:25, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, it has the '7' (and it even states the original title with a '7'). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:07, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Thanks for checking. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:27, 24 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan #3137 ==<br />
Hi,<br />
could you please have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852244 PR #3137]? According to the cover, the author is Robert Corvus, but it's currently listed as Uwe Anton. According to Perrypedia, Anton was the originally scheduled author, but it looks like that changed. Thank you. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] 16:11, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Many thanks for finding this! That one just slipped through the net. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 23:13, 25 October 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Converting to chapbooks and languages. ==<br />
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When converting to chapbooks like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5139193 here], keep in mind that ALL newly created titles will NOT have a language because the work does not have a reference title. In such cases, add the chapbook record only. Save it. Fix the language of the chapbook. Then edit again to add all the art pieces. Otherwise someone needs to manually fix the language on each of them one by one (21 of them to be exact in this case) :) Alternatively, do a single update but then fix the languages of all titles. Thanks! <br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I thought I had grabbed them all.<br />
:: You got the chapbooks. The 21 art pieces across English and Swedish had no language. All sorted now - just keep that in mind - these can be annoying that way. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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Also what is the source for claiming that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?391615 this] is first edition? [https://www.worldcat.org/title/mio-min-mio/oclc/7772523 OCLC] does not say so. No other sources listed. Same for the printing - OCLC does not specify first printing and there may have been differences that disqialify this record (sourced by this OCLC record) and carrying this cover and these illustrations from being the first printing. So how did you determine that this is a first edition? It may well be - but we need to show at least a source OR a justification to claim it so. And we need a source for the number of illustrations you added - OCLC does not have that either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:16, 2 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: Will add the source. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:46, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Which Wikipedia? And which pages - the book, the author, the artist, a combination of? Contents differ per language... We need a link to the correct one in the Web Pages (or correct ones if more than one is used). Someone should be able to follow our research when done online based on our notes - saying just "Wikipedia" is like saying "Google" :) <br />
:: And I do not see the 17 illustrations mentioned in either the Swedish or the English versions. Or the German one. Unless I missed it somewhere? So where did you find these mentioned? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:48, 3 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
::: Christian? Can you please point to your source for the 17 illustrations? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:57, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
:::: Yeah, well Wikipedia of course and the upcoming German edition(s). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:37, 6 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Tramps von Luna ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have digital copies from {{P|721869|Das große Robert A. Heinlein Lesebuch}} and {{P|670004|Die Tramps von Luna}}. In the first one the novel has 18 chapters (the last sentence is: Hazel öffnete die Augen. »Ist sie das?«), in the second one are 19 chapters (the last sentence is:Der Start unterbrach ihren Satz. Aber Roger Stone wußte, was sie meinte. Saturn – Uranus – Pluto …). Please take a look how the novel ends. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 18:00, 4 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, the earlier translation was noted as likely abridged, I think that does explain the differences. I'll clarify the notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:27, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== One Cover ==<br />
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The cover I just added to Richard Bach's One is the same as the later edition; some editor entered a note for that edition that there was no credit for the cover art but there was for cover design and entered that, which is wrong, so neither of them should be there. --[[User:Username|Username]] 11:45, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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: This may be so, but [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Gzuckier Gzuckier] was the one who added the initial credit, so please do ask him for the reasoning behind this. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:54, 5 November 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Moon Quest ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Just a quick reminder: If you are adding any extra titles (covers, interior art and so on) during a novel -> chapbook conversion, they are created with no language so you may want to chase them down and add a language to them while you are still working on the book. If you first add the chapbook, then set its language and THEN add the additional titles, you do not have this problem. But when you add them when you are adding the CHAPBOOK title, their languages need to be set manually. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?259461 Moon Quest] pinged in a report with both of its art titles being language-less. Fixed now. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Thanks, Annie. I'll try even harder to expand my memory cells. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:07, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Alternatively, keep an eye on the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?194 report] when you know you did some conversions the previous day. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:14, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== lub hnub qub tshiab - Neuer Stern 67 ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Can you look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?825350 this] for me? Looks like the author of that single story tried to add Neuer Stern 67 but... that's one weird title on the whole magazine. And then there is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?854606 this one] as well - is this a fanzine or magazine? Any chance you can find something in the German blogs/publisher site/something to get these up to shape or at least to make that first one less ugly and figure out the type if nothing else? Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:25, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, but I can't find anything about the correct title (the weird part might be part of the title, but our conventions would imply to have the fanzine's (!!!) title first, I'd think). One thing I was able to find is that it's really a sort of newsletter for the club, so definitely a fanzine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:56, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Google translate tells me that "lub hnub qub tshiab" is "New Star" in Hmong (which may or may not be the truth - Google Translate is getting better but some languages are more challenging for it and I know nothing about Hmong to be able to do some checks). But "Neuer Stern" is the same in German. So I wonder if it was not a Hmong issue or something? But yep - under our rules magazine/fanzine generic title is always first in the title. The only thing I can find is [https://www.scifinet.org/scifinetboard/index.php/blog/64/entry-9817-neuer-stern-66-67-roboter-frankenstein-elstercon/ this] which confirms the story being there but does not have anything about Hmong. Thanks for checking! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 06:11, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Nice find! I'd think that the editor(s) searched for an exotic translation of New Star / Neuer Stern and put that one into the title to puzzle the readership (which worked!). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:13, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:::: That would also explain why I see nothing Hmong related in the issue description/contents. I had not seen the editor who adds these around lately but I will leave them a note as well and maybe we will get to the bottom of all this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:40, 15 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Feinde im Weltall? und andere Novellen ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Need a German eye for a second. Is the price [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?402542 here] ℳ1.00 or is there something else happening with this - at the end (1907 will make it the Gold Mark so I am pretty sure about the currency but if that is also not it, let me know? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:08, 16 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yes, it should be ℳ1.00, which was valid from 1871 until 1914. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:16, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:39, 17 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Wiktor Piwowarow ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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Our [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?335724 Pivovarov] is definitely not the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 sportsman] but the [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%94%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 painter]. :) I fixed the link to Wiki and his legal name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:53, 21 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Ah, yes. Thanks Annie, it didn't occur to me that there might be two Pivovarovs (well, it might, if I'd be able to really read Russian - not only decipher most letters). I just wondered why the Wikipedia had the year of birth as 1957 and not 1937. Thanks for the correction, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:46, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
:: There are actually [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80 5 of them] that were important enough to have articles - just one relevant to us though (funnily enough 3 of them are born in the same year making it even more confusing if you cannot read the descriptions). Feel free to ping me if you need someone to assist with my languages. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 01:59, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
::: Will do! Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:05, 22 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Metropolis ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/metropolis0000lang; Saw you did some Metropolis edits after my recent edits; have you seen this? Says Second Printing 1981. --[[User:Username|Username]] 13:43, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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:Yeah, your Fritz Lang update triggered the 'Metropolis' conversion to SHORTFICTION / CHAPBOOK, a thing that I became aware of quite a while ago (but forgot about it, working on other things). I saw the second printing of 1981, but am not sure if it's the hc or the tp that is reprinted (the second seems more likely, but you never know). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:52, 27 November 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Currency question: Peter Schlemihl's wundersame Geschichte ==<br />
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?646729 this one]. Can we safely write "Taler 1.25" or is there something else going on with this currency that will require a different format? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:01, 3 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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: Ah, I see the problem of the double space. I've updated the record to Taler 1.25. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:44, 4 December 2021 (EST)<br />
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== Ministry for the Future title & pub dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I'm curious why you've zeroed out the day-of-the-month for the title and several pubs of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2772326 The Ministry for the Future]? Whilst I appreciate that "street dates" often don't match the official pub dates, AFAIK [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date policy] is to use the official date, and - again AFAIK - the dates listed by Amazon, Kobo, etc for the digital pubs should definitely be accurate to when those products became available to download.<br />
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Losing this info is unhelpful for some projects I've been mulling over (but haven't actually gotten around to implementing, sigh):<br />
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* Analysing peak weeks-of-the-year for pubs - flattening everything to a 28-31 day period would make this less accurate<br />
* Doing cross-checks between the data in ISFDB versus the data I've locally scraped from various sites, to check for errors, delays, etc<br />
* Potentially looking for discrepancies in Tuesday vs Thursday pubs to see if stuff has been allocated to the wrong publisher (e.g. Tor US vs UK, Orbit US vs UK). In itself, this wouldn't be reliable, and would likely have lots of false positives (seems like lots of UK ebooks come out on Tuesdays to match the US), but in conjunction with other signals like currency or ISBN range, might help to prioritize the most likely to be errors.<br />
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Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:06, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:The available (per Amazon's look inside) copyright statements only speak of 'October 2020', thus - as a policy - we use this as the official publication date (since it is the stated one: official statement ruling out a vendor's statement). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:11, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: But by that logic, loads of recent UK pubs should be submitted with a yyyy-00-00 date, because the info on the copyright page doesn't go to a more granular level than the year? (I have just double checked this with a bunch of recent-ish UK books from big 5 imprints, most of which were first printings, and all just had the year listed.) <br />
::: There's a difference, in that those statements mostly have a copyright statement, not a statement for a publication date. {{unsigned|Stonecreek}}<br />
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:: Also, I'm not sure that details from the copyright page of one pub merit changing the details for other pubs, especially if they are from (arguably) different publishers? The [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5193936 UK hc] doesn't have a Look Inside preview on Amazon .com, .co.uk or .de, and the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?795201 UK ebook] only states a year per [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ministry-Future-Kim-Stanley-Robinson-ebook/dp/B08C5DWVRK/ the Amazon preview]. (As an aside, the edits mean that the note on that ebook pub are no longer correct w.r.t. price) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 12:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Well, in the hc case, the kindle edition states 'Originally published in hardcover and ebook by Orbit in October 2020'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:12, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
: As long as they are properly sourced, removing dates based on copyright statement is IMO database vandalism. Christian, please stop doing that. We date books based on ALL sources - if we can date exactly based on publisher/seller site and we can add a note on that source, we should not remove the date because the book only mentions the month (or the year). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:00, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:: PS: All dates had been restored as per the sources in their notes. Adding a note that "OCLC only lists the month" or whatever else note you want to add to specify that some other sites specify something different if you want but please stop removing data from the DB and leaving the notes in a state that does not match the data in the listed sources. Thanks! I really hope you had not been doing that on other books and thus destroying data in the DB consistently. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::: One more note. Look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one]. We have a PV who left the date. They even left a note explaining the source of the date (Amazon.com). And yet you changed the date leaving the note incorrect <br />
:::* Should have not happened on a PV'd book at all - you don't "fix" other people's data without talking to them based on what you think the data should look like.<br />
:::* Leaving the date and the note not matching makes this a really bad edit - even if the data loss was not. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:20, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The issue of using YYYY-MM-00 date values taken from copyright pages over more precise YYYY-MM-DD date values from other sources was debated back in 2006-2007 when ISFDB 2.0 was launched. At the time, the majority of editors believed that exact publication dates used by Amazon and other online booksellers were unreliable and did not necessarily represent actual publication dates. This resulted in a convoluted process of capturing the exact (YYYY-MM-DD) pre-publication date from Amazon, using it to generate the "Select Forthcoming Books" list on the front page, then changing the date to a YYYY-MM-00 date printed in the book when the publication was verified. To the best of my recollection, this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s and we decided to keep the more precise YYYY-MM-DD date when its source is properly documented in Notes. It's similar to the way we add and document other types of information -- like cover artist names -- from secondary sources.<br />
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I don't think the old, abandoned, method is documented anywhere in Help, but, based on the discussion above, I suspect that Christian may be still using it. Does this make sense, Christian? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 19:38, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Having said that, changing primary-verified publications like [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?791721 this one] without consulting the verifier and leaving records in an inconsistent state is not acceptable and something that the reviewing moderator would normally be expected to catch. Since you are a self-approver, the responsibility to enforce ISFDB conventions and keep records self-consistent falls on you. Please make sure this doesn't happen again or else it will jeopardize your self-approver status. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:30, 11 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Yeah, I was using the consenus you refer to, and it must have been debated even after 2007 (because I wasn't around then). The verifier hasn't been around for almost a year, and had the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor). The consensus still is - to the best of my knowledge - that Amazon is not a reliable bibliographical source per se, and we use the dates in those cases where we don't have a more reliable source (for example the copyright page of a given publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:56, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: I ducked out of this conversation because I spent some time digging through old rules and standards archives to see if this had previously been discussed. I believe [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F this exchange from 2012] might be what Ahasuerus is referring to? My reading of that discussion was that Christian's changes could certainly be interpreted as in line with that discussion, but also that that discussion was based on presumptions that might no longer be as valid as they were, at least in the context of new (2015+) books and/or downloaded media? I haven't yet run across any discussion that might relate to "this practice was abandoned in the mid-2010s", but my ability to go through years of R&S discussion has its limits ;-)<br />
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::: Re. "the contradictory dates (stated month within the publication vs. day stated by a vendor", personally I don't believe that "Published in yyyy" or "Published in monthname yyyy" in a primary source is contradicted by secondary sources that list a particular yyyy-mm-dd value - Where the yyyy and mm match up, of course - and that if we have reasonable sources for the yyyy-mm-dd, these should be used, and that these shouldn't be replaced by yyyy-mm-00 values unless there's a good reason, and if so, that reason (and the original yyyy-mm-dd value) should be documented in the title/pub note? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 08:12, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: Sounds a reasonable way to deal with it: I do know of some (German) publishers that do their deals first - directly - with their customers and/or special 'hardware' book shops (those that one actually can step into), and make it available only after that to online (or other) vendors. So, I recall that the date stated with Amazon was assumed to be the one that a publication was made available there (nothing more, nothing less). This has lead to the above statement that we enter this date when there's nothing better available to us (and that'd be the case for many new publications upon entering them). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:25, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
::::: Amazon is not reliable for dates on OLD books - as in pre-2009 maybe and books that only have listings from external vendors. Things had changed since then. Multiple times. These days Amazon.com for new US books and Amazon UK for new UK ones, especially when they are from major publishers and when the publishers don’t move the dates are pretty reliable for dates. Plus there were multiple sources listed on the UK books here - all of which you just ignored :) The US ones may not have been listed but they are easily foundable and all agree on the date. Assuming that both me and John did not verify the dates when adding these books was arrogant (and how any of that logic for hardcovers applies to Audio books and eBooks that you also changed is a mystery). Let’s not use the German practices for dating US/UK books going forward. Plus as I said - for some of those Amazon was not the only source and “I assumed so” without bothering to check the publisher site or anything else is never a good reason to delete data. If you are not sure about a practice in a different country, please ask - don’t just assume it matches Germany. As i had to correct another publication “fixed” like that by you, i have a suspicion that we are looking at another cleanup efforts to cleanup after your edits… Maybe you need to spend some time with the help pages and refresh your ideas in how the site rules had changed in the last 10 years or so? That’s not the first time you are applying rules which had been out of use for a decade (dating of variants come to mind). :) <br />
::::: Anything else I can assist clarifying around dating of English language books? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 11:15, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::: PS: The short version of the request here: The basic rule for blanking a date (or any other data really) should be "is there a reason not to trust the date?" and not "oh, I don't trust dates so I will always remove them" which seems to have happened here and elsewhere. More data is better than less data so unless you have a reason to think an already added date is incorrect, leave it in place, please. Especially of there is a source (or 4) corroborating. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:00, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, Annie, but none of your statements refer to the consensus that seems to still hold: we use the officially stated date of publication, when we have one available. And that the one stated at Amazon (or another source) isn't the official date was made clear: nowadays it is the date of distribution (for Amazon). If you could point me (and us) to the argumentational thread where the consensus mentioned above was changed, I'd be most grateful. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:13, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
:::::::: That's not the practice OR the consensus. We date books based on all available sources and document our sources. We don't throw away sources and data because Stonecreek don't trust them (and don't want to do a search to verify them). Please stop removing dates on books where there is no suspicion on when the book was actually published. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:32, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Yes, it is: per the discussion from 2012 referred to above this ''is'' (or was then) the consensus. Even more, the help for entering the date of publication explicitly says what to use: ''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''; the exception referred to after that statement is only for later printings. So, what else is there as a point for deviating from that? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:49, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::::::::: Removing valid data is never acceptable. If you change them back and delete the data again, I will restore it again as we have a valid source to corroborate the exact date. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:35, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Christian, if you disagree with a moderator's interpretation of the data entry rules, using your self-approver privileges to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?2970434 undo the moderator's edits] is a completely unacceptable way to go about resolving the disagreement. It just starts an "edit war", which should never happen here. This is not what the self-approver status was created for; additional instances of this behavior or ''any'' other abuse of the privileges will result in their termination.<br />
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The right way to resolve this issue would be to post your arguments on the Moderator Noticeboard. If the subsequent discussion warrants it, we may take it to the Rules and Standards board.<br />
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BTW, to check the current practice, I have compiled a [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_month&O_1=exact&TERM_1=2021-01&C=AND&USE_2=pub_ver_date&O_2=contains&TERM_2=2021&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication list of primary-verified publications published in January 2021]. Out of 126 pubs, only 30 (14 of them are magazines) have 2021-01-00 dates. The rest have full 2021-01-DD dates.<br />
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Re: [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive11#Stated_publication_date_vs._actual_publication_date.3F the 2012 Rules and Standards discussion], it ended with MartyD planning to come up with new Help language and post it for further discussion, which, as far as I can tell, never happened. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 15:02, 12 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the help page - referred to above - states it the way we overcame to in the discussion, regardless if the help was changed afterward: if not, it appears the discussion ensured the text. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Alte DSFP Nominierungen == <br />
Wow, Super, danke Dir für Deinen hilfreichen Links hier! (ch switche hier einfach mal ins Deutsch, wenn okay?)! Ich muss mich da echt mal einlesen und habe ja als ersten Projekt den DSFP nachzutragen, da warst du ja selber im Komitee! Paar Angaben auf der Webseite stimmen wohl nicht (copy & paste Fehler beim Übertrag der der Vorjahre) aber die ersten Preise sollten ich seit 1985 haben. Gibt es evt. irgendwo ein Archiv, wo man tatsächlich noch die alten Platzieren herausfinden kann? DANKE! --[[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 06:18, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Hi, and welcome to my talk page! <br />
: If you don't mind, I do prefer to write in English, though you may ask in German, if you aren't sure how to phrase things. The reason is that this is a site for which the work is done in English, and other editors may have difficulties to read and understand other languages (and it may become tedious to translate things from one language into the other and back - which may be needed in case of information relevant to ISFDB).<br />
: Having said this, I will try and help you with the award if I can. Alas, there seems to be no online archive for the older nominations, but I'll try and take a look into my magazine & nonfiction stack, if there's more information to be found there (though for the very first year - 1985 - there was nothing to be found so far). Do you have any access to old issues of the magazine / fanzine "Andromeda Nachrichten"? The nominations should be listed there, if anywhere! And may I ask you about your background and how you did find out about me (because I think my being with the comitee was not communicated far and wide)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:36, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Sure, switching back to English, no worries! Btw is this the way the right method to directly communicate here? And sorry, I hope it's not spoiling a secret, because it's stated on the open NOVA website: https://nova-sf.de/eine-site and sadly no access to "Andromeda" :( Next task: I must add some info about my<elf on my page here :) [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] 11:42, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, this is the right way to communicate with the single members / editors of ISFDB. One more quite important page may be the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk Help Desk] where you can ask anything that you may find puzzling about entering or ensuring data. <br />
::: If you like you may also want to add information to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?318201 your summary page]. How to? Just click 'Edit Author Data' on the left tool bar, listed under 'Editing Tools'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:25, 16 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Moderator Noticeboard discussion of the Perry Rhodan changes ==<br />
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Could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Unverifying_publications this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard], which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 16:11, 22 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço ==<br />
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I see that you have edited [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?664749 2001: Uma odisseia no espaço], a primary-verified publication, after asking the primary verifier on 2022-01-27 and also asking for feedback on the Community Portal. Seeking consensus is always good a thing, but let me remind you what I wrote [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:AlainLeBris#Stalker on AlainLeBris]'s Talk page on 2022-01-21:<br />
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: Christian, it's been less than 24 hours since your original questions were posted. Please do not edit publications primary-verified by active editors without their consent. If you believe that a verifier has made a mistake, e.g. a name was misspelled, and the verifier does not respond to your inquiry after a week, post your findings on the Moderator Noticeboard. To quote the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_want_to_make_a_change_in_a_verified_publication_record.3F ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* If you want to change or remove information, please ask the verifier first. If the verifier doesn't respond in a week or so, post a note on the [[ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard|Moderator noticeboard]] and someone will help you.<br />
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: This is the standard procedure and all editors are expected to follow it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 13:15, 21 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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Again, this is the standard process and all editors are expected to follow it, yet your edits have repeatedly gone against the process over the last few weeks. If you do not follow the process again, your self-approver privileges will be revoked. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 14:29, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Okay, thanks, I'll do my very best! I hope I'll not be carried away again trying to help things making better. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover art credit for Science-Fiction-Stories 79 ==<br />
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Christian, I've added the cover credit for Rich Sternbach to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?642914 Science-Fiction-Stories 79] as it's a variant of a Galaxy cover of his. I modified the comment about the indecipherable signature to note that the art has been flipped. Martin--[[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] 10:21, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Many thanks, Martin! Great find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:44, 3 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{P|632555|Bruder der Gorgonen}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, on the cover is a [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/8/8f/Greenaway_peter_van-bruder_der_gorgonen_sig.jpg signature], maybe you can read them. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:01, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sorry, Henna, but I remember having spent some time to identify this artwork upon verifying the publication but couldn't decipher it either. The artist's style also didn't ring a bell. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:35, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Als der Weihnachtsmann vom Himmel fiel ==<br />
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Can you check the ISBN [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876827 here]? It is a bit too late for ISBN-10 and if it is indeed the only one printed (being a reprint and all), a note explaining that should be added. :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:36, 15 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:With this being only a transient verification, I do assume that this is most likely a cloning error. I'll update the ISBN. Thanks for finding this, Annie! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:31, 16 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Bardioc ==<br />
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After your latest edits, the link [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?553981 in the notes here] is not valid anymore. Can you find out where it is supposed to link now? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:25, 17 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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:It must have been defunct before, since I didn't do anything with it. Fixed. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:00, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
:: Possibly. :) But it needed fixing and you had been around the title so had a better chance to figure it out than me starting from scratch :) Thanks for fixing it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 03:02, 18 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Ring of Thoth ==<br />
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Regarding {{T|1094940}}: Variants are dated based on the first appearance under that title and author credit. 1890 was the original appearance of the story, not the original appearance of this variant. Doyle was knighted in 1902 so any credit with Sir has to be after that date. I have restored the prior date. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:06, 27 February 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Juvenile flags ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A gentle reminder that if a story is marked as juvenile, you also need to mark all chapbooks which contain it as juvenile (and vice versa). A few of your additions and updates in the last weeks showed up on the discrepancy report (and are now fixed) but please keep that in mind. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:11, 2 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Thanks, Annie, will try to think of it in the future! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:37, 3 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== {{T|2374871|Fabeln aus künftigen Jahren, in denen die Menschen in unterirdischen Bunkern leben werden}} ==<br />
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Hello Christian, is this the same text like in ''Zeitschleifen''?<br />
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Ein Ingenieur hat geschrieben, daß sich die Felsen in der Umgebung von Prag zum Bau von unterirdischen Bunkern für die Prager Bevölkerung eignen.<br />
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''Im Zeitalter der unterirdischen Bunker''<br />
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Wenn man überlegt, daß die frühere Menschheit ihre Behausungen über der Erde gebaut hat! Welch primitive Zeiten das doch waren!<br />
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Thanks for looking it up [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:54, 8 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, it is: it is even stated as taken from the anthology ''Zeitschleifen''. Thanks! Christian<br />
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::Thanks again [[User:Henna|Henna]] 08:25, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== 7. & 8. Reise ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I think in {{P|552030|7. & 8. Reise}} the date 1961 for the two stories is wrong. Regards [[User:Henna|Henna]] 11:22, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Sure! I do wonder how I got to this date. Strange things seem to happen... Thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:51, 9 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Das Killer-Ding ==<br />
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Cover art for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?390487 this] is by Angus McKie. It's a mirror image of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?21342 Manalone]. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 12:41, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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Thanks! Great find! I'll add the information. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:28, 11 March 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Welcome template ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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If you are going to be posting these, please do that properly: it is <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> as the page for it [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome very clearly states]. Otherwise you make it VERY hard for an editor to answer or figure our why their page appears to be locked (as the direct call opens the template, NOT the local version). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:09, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7) ==<br />
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As you did this [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4929481 edit], can you please clarify where you got this title ("Aera: The Return of the Ancient Gods (part 7)" from? <br />
:* The "Look Inside" shows "Episode 7" clearly. <br />
:* The cover has just "7" - which is technically irrelevant due to the title page being available.<br />
:* Our rules for naming of serials are very clear: "If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title."<br />
:* Even if the title page did not contain a unique title, the rules would not have created your title: "If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title."<br />
So where is your title coming from? Changing titles from valid titles to invalid ones (which you may prefer) is not a good idea. The lack of notification to the editors that had worked on that title is also a bad idea (and you had been reminded of the common courtesy expectations before - although this being an oldish edit, it probably was before that). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:45, 17 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Guess I had only the rule for the parenthetical statement in mind as valid. Sorry! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:47, 18 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates ==<br />
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Hi Christian, I see you're still changing variant title dates to the date of the original, see [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5266880 here]. Please try to remember the date should be that of the first appearance of the variant. Also, do you have any idea where the 1972 date of the original comes from? There's no note explaining this. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 16:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'll add the corresponding publication this week. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: It is always a good idea to add notes on dates provenances (or any other pieces of data but dates in titles are often disconnected from books like here) if you are not adding the book supporting it immediately. If that title with this date had been submitted for moderation, you would have been asked for the source so a note can be added. As Self-approver, the expectation is the same. We all have plans but life happens and things get missed and forgotten so let’s try not to have any data added without notes on its provenance? Can you add a quick note explaining that date? You can remove it when/if you add the book later. Thanks in advance. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Riesenvögel kommen ==<br />
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Ho there, Christian! Can you tell me what [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2226371 this] is about? Does it say what the original article was? Thanks.--[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] 20:10, 7 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:I'm afraid it doesn't. It's about a new generation of giant airplanes. I can't find a corresponding title with that meaning with the Bob Woods page, but I guess it doesn't have to have appeared necessarily in "Future" / "Future Life". (We don't have the initial publications of Chaffee's artwork - depicting two to-be-developed airplanes - either; it's even possible that this is a first publication). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:47, 8 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Geheimprojekt Venus ==<br />
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Hello Christian, I have a problem with this pub {{P|370748|Geheimprojekt Venus}}. In the notes is a wrong parent title and the digest should have this copyright text:<br />
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„Abenteuer im Weltenraum“ – erscheint 14täglich im Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4, Heiligengeistfeld, Hochhaus 2. Fernruf 3120 76. Alle Rechte vorbehalten. Alleinauslieferung: Alfons Semrau Verlag, Hamburg 4. '''Printed in West-Germany 1958'''. Für unverlangt eingesandte Manuskripte wird keine Gewähr übernommen. Rücksendung nur gegen Rückporto. Gesamtherstellung: Nordland-Druck GmbH., Lüneburg.<br />
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Please take a look. Many thanks [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 13 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Rencontre avec Ovaron ==<br />
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Hi Christian. Concerning [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5286359 this edit] that made the publication show up on the "Title Dates after Publication Dates" cleanup report. I asked Linguist to check, see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#Rencontre_avec_Ovaron here]. First, you should not have changed the date without asking/informing the primary verifier. Second, his answer makes it clear that your "correction" was wrong. Do we need another cleanup report? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 10:10, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
Ps, see also the cleanup report [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?33 Publication Authors That Are Not the Title Author]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 11:24, 18 April 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, [https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Perry_Rhodan_franz%C3%B6sisch#Band_188_.E2.80.93_215 Perrypedia] has the date as March, this is why I changed the date. (I planned to order a copy, but didn't do that before the beginning of my holidays - I now have). I do assume that this source is more dependable than taking the date of printing. I'll bring this to Linguist's attention. Thanks, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]]<br />
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== Die Schwerter von Zinjaban ==<br />
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Did I err in approving the author change, I was just about to change the pub and write a note to the verifier. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:02, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hi, already answered on your talk page. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:05, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Any thoughts why the English language editions credit both, but not the German? (Amazon Look inside available on UK edition). 09:10, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Likely because Catherine Crook de Camp was at the time almost unknown to German readers, and because all other titles in the series were published as by Lyon Sprague alone. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:17, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Thanks for your help, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:18, 2 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Golem 100 ==<br />
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Hello Christian. Cover artist for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?414786 this] is not Oliviero Berni as the publication credits but Terry Oakes. The artwork is depicted in Steven Eisler's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1769794 The Alien Worlds] and credited to Oakes in the Acknowledgement on p.96 of that book. I'm going to make the change and note it. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 07:47, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Yes, do so, please. During the first half of the 1980s this publisher had real difficulties to give the right credits for the respective cover art. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:57, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I've made the changes and edited the notes. I pretty much had a feeling it was Terry Oakes. I just had to find the book it was illustrated in and check the credits. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 14:08, 6 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Yeah: it ''could'' have been by Berni but is nevertheless somewhat different from his usual style. Thanks again, Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:26, 7 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant title dates. Again and again ==<br />
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Was [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit] really necessary? As has been told to you a number of times, the date of a variant title should be that of the first appearance of the variant. In this case, interior art is not the same as cover art. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 04:07, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Well, it ''is'' exactly the same artwork (title & language) as the cover art, and it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:25, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Again Christian? Re-read [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Stonecreek/Archive4#Changing_dates_of_variant_art_titles this discussion] where in the end you promised to follow the consensus. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:31, 24 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: I did. Dealt with: of course, the pre-dating to 1981 was correct. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:44, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: So nothing is changed. You still read only what you want to read. Explain to me why we have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this cleanup report] exactly for this kind of error. I will not have the same discussion with you over and over again. You were wrong, and you still are wrong. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: It would help if you do read the notes for a title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 02:42, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I did. Again, interior art is not the same as cover art. The variant (interior art) must not have the date of the parent (coverart). And again, if you want to change the consensus, discuss it on the rules & standards page, do not impose your private rules on others. Remember the last time you were so stubborn cost you the moderator flag. Do you want to lose the self approver status too? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 02:52, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: Sorry, but it appears you want to change the consensus: the note refers to the first known publication as interior art (there may have been a previous one, and even more contemporary publications). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:31, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: You're totally confusing now. Do you mean you forgot to add the interior art to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?367225 this publication], or is there another 1981 pub not yet in the database or do you see an invisible 1981 pub under [this title]? Is it october or december? and where did you find (please, a link to that discussion) consensus to add an earlier date to a variant title? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:12, 25 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: I do mean a separate publication not in the database: virtually all publishers issued regular catalogues of available & new (= soon to be published) titles, wherein the older titles usually just got listed but the new ones were prominently featured with their cover images; Heyne did publish those twice a year (in April and October), immediately predating their new Winter and new Summer program. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 09:12, 26 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: So that's your new excuse? Didn't think about discussing the idea first did you? May I draw your attention to the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Contents_never_included rules of acquisition] under advertising? I don't think such a catalog counts as a publication. If you want that, discuss it first.<br />
:::::::::: To recapitulate, first you change the date to december 1981 with no note in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325685 this edit], and when I challenge the validity of that edit you change it to october 1981 with a cryptic note [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5326497 here] I.m.o. against the rules of acquisition. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 03:41, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::: They're quite obviously pieces of nonfiction that would have to be put into [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42599 this series], though it's debatable if the publications are eligible (with the departments on sf taking about one seventh to one sixth): I do intend to use them as such, since they do provide information on publication history. But if you do like to change our rules of notation of first publications of titles when published within nongenre titles, please do open a discussion: there are masses of nongenre essays published within newspapers by above-the-threshold authors that would need a recalibration of notes and dates. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 03:59, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::: Let me rephrase the question then. Do you want to use a publisher's advertisement of a publication to date a piece of interiorart when the rules state "No advertising of any kind is indexed". A simple yes or no please. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 07:13, 27 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::::::: Let me repeat my answer: those are pieces of nonfiction, not advertisements: there are some ads to be found inside, for example for the next (expected) bestselling book or featuring the works of a certain bestselling author (say, Colleen McCullough), but these works were also to be found inside the alphabetical listing, which was a listing of (soon-to-be) available book titles. (We are speaking of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalog catalogues], i. e. works of reference, also known as special types of nonfiction).<br />
::::::::::::: (Let me add that it's not okay to come up with nibbling at long-established series when the consequences don't serve one own's preferences.) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:30, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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(unindent) I give up on you. You can't even answer a simple yes or no question. You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything (see your first answer "it ''does'' look more strange that both works are dated differently" is totally against the consensus). I won't bother you anymore with things like this and take it directly to the community. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 05:19, 31 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Let me remark that you would just have needed to read the answer directly before your question and you wouldn't had have to ask.<br />
: 'You're incapable of admitting you're wrong in anything': it does seem there is also somebody else writing here in this thread ;-). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:48, 1 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Amok ==<br />
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[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User:Boskar Boskar] has confirmed that Atelier Ingrid Schütz is only credited with cover design. Do you have additional information that caused you to credit cover art on the three unverified publications? Let me know if you prefer to make the changes or I will do it. 08:11, 29 May 2022 (EDT). This was me. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:48, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Who's writing this (please don't forget to sign your comments / questions) and what publications are you referring to? If this has to do with the latest additions to 'Richard Bachman' books published by Heyne: I have seen the credits with printings other than those already in the database. If you prefer I'll do a transient verification for those and fill in the missing notes later when I can lay my hands on the publicatiuons again. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:24, 29 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ryan North's How to Invent Everything - nonfiction vs novel ==<br />
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Hi, I see you changed this title from non-fiction to novel a couple of years ago [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4777827]. I've just finished reading this, and whilst I don't think it's 100% unambiguous, I'd definitely consider it to be non-fiction rather than a novel. The time-travel aspect is just a framing conceit for the non-fiction elements that comprise the core content - although without that framing, I guess this book would be ineligible for inclusion here, so it's not irrelevant.<br />
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The closest thing I could think of to try to find a precedent for how to characterise this was in-universe fact books such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?31475 The Dune Encyclopedia], and I see that is also classed as non-fiction.<br />
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Also, I think you added the synopsis for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2601713 the title record]? At least for the British edition, that description isn't quite right - it's presented as a manufacturer's manual for a time machine to cover the event the time machine breaks down in the past, and the foreword implies it was written by an alternate-timeline version of the author working in the position of technical writer, not as a stranded time traveller.<br />
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Are you OK if I change the title type and synopsis accordingly? Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:24, 4 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: My changes were based on the three German reviews, but mainly on the one by Kathrin Passig & Aleks Scholz, which was the most extensive one (I haven't read the book itself). <br />
: But if there's a framing story please do consider it being a novel: we have other titles judged for inclusion just on the framing (for example [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?874803 this one], which has Death as telling the otherwise non-speculative story). But in the end: please change to your insight. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 06:35, 5 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Thanks. I have switched the types of the titles and pubs, and expanded the title synopsis and note to (hopefully) explain why the book is categorized as it is. Something I should have been clearer on in my comment above, is that there aren't any characters, plot or other elements that (conventionally) are part of a story, hence me wanting to classify it as non-fic.<br />
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:: Cheers [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Okay. It's just that I understand the rules (and the meaning) for non-fiction to be non-fictional. We have masses of texts that also don't have any of those elements, but are classified (rightly so) as fiction; here are some examples: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?845711 Space Mail] (an anthology of fictional letters), synopsises & fictional biographies, and the likely most extreme, [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?57594 The Index], for which the title describes the form exactly, but is nonetheless a piece of fiction. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:52, 9 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Caldwell ==<br />
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/TM-Caldwell/e/B00T0RFEG4/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_11; I suspected these much later stories were by a different Caldwell, and they were; this Caldwell's a woman. --[[User:Username|Username]] 10:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I'll adapt accordingly. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:42, 12 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Falcons of Narabedla and the self-approver status ==<br />
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Please see the outcome of the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Falcons_of_Narabedla Falcons of Narabedla discussion on the Community portal]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 20:48, 14 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Falken von Narabedla / Die Späher ==<br />
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Please check the final sentence of Die Falken von Narabedla in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?901149 Die Späher]. Are they a translation of the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1946 1957 Other Worlds version] or the [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040549 1964 expanded version]. The notes of both publication state ©1964, so the second is most likely. The final sentence of both versions are in the respective notefields. Thanks, --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:59, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks for the idea, but I asked Mavmaramis to have a go at an independent word count estimate, which will help to determine the length of the later version. If both versions turn out to be novellas it has to be discussed if they shouldn't be merged anyway. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:14, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: Christian, if you want to keep frustrating things, I'll just assume they are both the 1964 expanded edition, confirmed in your pub notes. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:40, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::Hello Willem! The last sentence of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551087 Terra Nova 181] is ''Ich holte tief Atem und legte meinen Arm um Cynaras Schultern. Dann rief ich Adric, auf das er das Glück mit mir teile.'' and translated ''I drew a deep breath and put my arm around Cynara's shoulders. Then I called Adric to share the happiness with me.'' Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 17:56, 15 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Yes, Rudolf's right and the ending for the version in "Die Späher" also fits the 1964 version. It's just that it still seems to be a novella, see my comments at the Community Portal and at Mavmaramis'. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:09, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I'll move both to the 1964 edition. For you Christian, it is established that the two versions are very different. See the notes from Ahasuerus. Even if the expanded edition were a novella, the two should never be merged. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 14:58, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Okay, maybe i thought in the beginning that the texts were (almost) identical. Sorry for that. I also tend to think that we shouldn't have two texts with the same title type that tell the same story. We have established that for many novels, I think, in adding notes. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 00:40, 17 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== FYI ==<br />
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Hello Christian! We disagree about this title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?382535 DAS GROSSE SPIEL] and I don't fancy an edit war. Therefore I‘ll introduce our difference in the Rules and Standards portal and open for discussion. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 05:11, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks, Rudolf! I'll reply there. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:05, 16 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Die Puppe Maggie Moneyeyes ==<br />
I'm just clearing my own DB and linking to ISFDB. I got a problem with Chapter 2<br><br />
"13 • Vorwort: Wie Science Fiction mich vor einem Verbrecherleben bewahrte • essay by Harlan Ellison (trans. of Foreword: How Science Fiction Saved Me from a Life of Crime 1967)",<br><br />
Author Harlan Ellison; Nevertheless, at the end of the chapter it is signed by<br>Ellison Wonderland<br>Hollywood, California<br>September 1966<br><br />
I'm aware of the book/title "Ellison Wonderland", and I'aware of the fact, that Harlan writes about himself.<br><br />
Should "Ellison Wonderland" beeing introduced as a pseudonym of Harlan Ellison?<br />
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: Hi! I don't think so, the author for collections is typically only stated on the spine, the cover and the title page, and we use the credit on the title page for all of the contents written by the respective author. Plus: "Ellison Wonderland" seems to me more likely to be the name of a place, like "Graceland" was the name Elvis Presley had chosen for his mansion. Hope that helps. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records ==<br />
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Please see [[User_talk:Willem_H.#To_Say_Nothing_of_the_Dog_duplicate_records|this conversation]]. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the hint, I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than the other one (on 2011-05-05). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:30, 9 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 ==<br />
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You dropped "Editor: Stefan Bauer." from the notes in [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?907277 this one]. Was that on purpose or did it go by mistake while clearing the previous line? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 21:56, 22 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:This was on purpose, it was a relic from the first edition and is not stated within the new one. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 15:08, 30 July 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: OK then :) A moderator note mentioning that is always helpful when this happens - otherwise you may be getting a lot of notes making sure that a line was not removed by mistake. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes, notes, notes ==<br />
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Hello again :) <br />
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Can you please at least add a note on the source when adding new publications such as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?908987 this one] - even if you are not adding the complete set of notes yet. I know you will get back to it BUT a new editor will see that and assume no notes on non-verified new publications is ok and life can get a bit tricky sometimes so these may stay like that for a long time. I approved the ones on the board but... please remember to add just a rudimentary note on the sources (even if it ends up being a throwaway later when you expand) or verify on addition. Thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do (at least add something rudimaentary): In this case I wasn't sure if there's a 'Report' in it or not, so I decided to add the complete notes upon the dawning of knowledge. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 10:15, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Figured that there is something like that happening. But at the very least "data from source" or "issue added based on advertisement in issue X" or something like that is helpful. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:18, 3 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Photos and Interiorart ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have a query. You want to add two photos in this pub [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?384702 Die Guerillas von Terrania] as new regular titles and labeled them as interiorart. I don't remember that photos are classified as interiorart. Where did you found this rule? Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:54, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I've seen plenty of them added lately (for example for The New York Times / [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?899369 The New York Times Book Review] (which isn't even a genre magazine), so I do think it's okay to add them for genre publications. <br />
: Like the inclusion of excerpts meant as ads for upcoming novels (which weren't regularly included when we began), this policy also seems to have changed over time. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:53, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::Thanks for pointing out that it has already been accepted. Now, I' m surprised, despite the fact that the guidelines don't specify it that way. It states that photographs of authors are not included. If so, the policy need to be rewritten. I'll put this up for discussion. Thanks again for your reference. Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 09:05, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::It seems that according to the previous rules, the PV alone can decide if he labels photographs as interiorart. Sorry for the belate approve.Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 11:17, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: No problem at all, Rudolf! I'd also wish that the rules would be more explicit for photos. I decided to include them in this case since they were taken by Hubert Haensel, an above-the -threshold author. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:24, 11 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Titanic Magazine ==<br />
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I question [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5383512 this submission] changing the date of the rollup from 2022-00-00. The year only date is standard practice. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:27, 8 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: It doesn't seem to be: this only seems to be standard practice if there's only one editorial credit for a given year, otherwise it's meaningful to achieve a chronological order to have the dates ordered, for example by month. Please take a look at these examples, found without major effort: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?136819 MFSF], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1112309 ditto], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?993041 Omni], and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2853007 Perry Rhodan]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 07:38, 9 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Andreas Eschbach Essay ==<br />
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Greetings Stonecreek, would you mind checking to see if these two are the same? [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2843203] & [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3068105] Tnaks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:55, 13 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Hello, John! No, they aren't; the first takes the author's contributions to the Perry Rhodan franchise into its focus, the second gives an overview of Eschbach's role in German sf. I'll add a note to the second one. Thanks for the hint to the seeming doublette. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 05:44, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books and Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books ==<br />
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{{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} contains {{T|3068541|Hop Aboard Kids, We're Going to 1984: Seven Children's Books}} and {{T|3068542|Illustration, Art, or Cosmic Kitsch? Six SF Art Books}}. It states both of these originally appeared in {{P|293929|Foundation, #10 June 1976}}. There is no such essays listed in that pub. However, there are seven Peter Nicholls book reviews on page 82 and six Peter Nicholls art book reviews on pages 114-119. I am assuming these are what are being referenced. Do either of these review groupings have a overall title in Foundation, #10? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:04, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:No, it just lists the books reviewed at its heading. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:45, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, I will make the appropriate notes. Thanks for checking. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Dave Langford, who put {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} together, has sent me an email about this issue. Here is what he says:<br />
:::* Foundation in that era added overall titles to reviews and groups of reviews: the coverage of the seven children's books and the six sf art books each formed a continuous block of text with the lower-case headings "hop aboard kids, we're going to 1984" and "illustration, art or cosmic kitsch?" However, these titles don't appear in the Foundation contents list.<br />
::: Does this match what's in your copy? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:04, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: David Langford is right: it'd pay to actually take a look into the issue. This practice only was conducted in the issues of 'Foundation' that were edited by Nicholls (and I think he wrote in one of the editorials that they were added by him, and not by the review editor). IMO they don't make the reviews into essays: they otherwise don't differ from reviews in earlier & later issues and are all part of the respecive reviews sections. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:45, 16 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Publisher's Pantheons & Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF ==<br />
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{{P|293930|Foundation, #11 and 12}} has {{T|1540526|Publisher's Pantheons}} on page 101 and {{T|1541948|Consumer's Guide to Recent Writing on SF}} on page 168. {{P|910485|Genre Fiction: The Roaring Years}} reprints these respectively as Publishers' and Consumers'. Before I variant, I wanted to check these were not database errors. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:19, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: They were indeed entered erroneously. It'd be right to merge those two (that is, four) titles. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 11:58, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Merged. Thanks! --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:00, 14 August 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== ''Perry Rhodan Sonderband'' change submission ==<br />
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Hi. This [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5415109 submission] had a title it used disappear, so I cannot do anything with it and you will have to redo it. I do not remember what is accessible after a hard reject, so I left it there for now. When you are done referring to it, if you cannot cancel it yourself let me know and I will do the hard reject. Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 18:21, 9 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Thanks for the info, Marty! (But I think this shouldn't have happened - importing into and editing a publication are independent from one another, or so I thought: is this perhaps a new bug?). I'll edit anew. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 03:38, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::I think the update must have changed something about one of the content records, perhaps a page number, and the title associated with that record got deleted (most likely merged) after your edit was submitted. Whatever that submission was must have been approved first. I do not know of a way for me to tell what happened. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:07, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1118774 this title] was merged, maybe this was the cause? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:31, 10 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Imperium ==<br />
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Christian, I have the following three submissions on hold. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416084 Second], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416086 Third], and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416089 Fourth] printings of Imperium. The publication date for the second printing as stated in the notes reads "The month of publication was chosen to put this printing after the first one". The other two have similar notes. I'm not familiar with this practice. It appears to contract our standards, both in general and specifically with the Date: field. A quick [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_note&O_1=contains&TERM_1=month+of+publication+was+chosen&C=AND&USE_2=pub_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication search] shows that this is not the first time you have used this methodology. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:29, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:Excuse me for interrupting but I am familiar with this situation. I have come across many pub records where the notes state that Month has been set arbitrarily in order to sort multiple printings in the same year. So, very early in my editing career, I tried to do the same thing... and Annie told me off (very nicely)! Apparently, this practice has happened in the past but it is no longer tolerated. You can see the discussion here: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:IanPercival#Foundation_and_Empire_.2F_Second_Foundation Part 1] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Teallach#Dating_and_all_that Part 2]. Unfortunately, we are left with a legacy issue of all the historic cases. You will find a lot more if you run an advanced search on publication where the Notes field contains both the words "month" and "arbitrary". [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:06, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: What would be better or right to do? We know that a later printing can't have appeared before an earlier one. Would we set all later printings of one year to the date of the first? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:16, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::I know you agree we have an obligation to ensure the record accurately reflects the underlying publication. When information is obtained from a secondary source, we document the source. Your submissions, particularly 'Perry Rhodan' are among the best I've seen. What you are doing here with the date field is turning it into nothing more than a sort field. Not only does it distort the underlying publication, but it also undermines confidence in the field across the entire database. Where does that leave us. We definitely do not set the date to the first printing. The help section is clear. If we can find a recognized secondary source, partial or full, we use that. Without such, we are forced to use 'unknown'. I know you find this distasteful. If further information surfaces, the record can be edited. I remember an extensive discussion regarding implementation of sort field(s). Hopefully this can be done at some point. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:09, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Okay! Would you please approve of the submissions and either let me correct the dating (or, if you prefer correct it)? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:14, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, I'll approve the date changes as soon as they hit the queue. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: Thanks! Submitted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:29, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I thought we were going with 'unknown'. Maybe I'm missing something, how do we know the subsequent printings were released in 2012? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:48, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::::: Approved. I went brain dead for a minute. Ignore the previous sentance. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:05, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Will you commit to correcting all the publications where you have used an arbitrary date and abandoning this practice? If so, I will support your request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:01, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #3186: Alraska ==<br />
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Christian, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5416182 this submission]. In light of your note, I think crediting 'Swen Papenbrock (in error)' and then varianting to 'Arndt Drechsler' would be more accurate. What do you think? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:46, 15 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Yes, that would be even better. I'll cancel and resubmit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:17, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I saw [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5423803 this edit]. Did you decide not to change the cover art credit as suggested or did you want me to do it? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:06, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Blanking spammers' Talk pages ==<br />
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I appreciate what you are trying to do with spammers' Talk pages, but it makes it more time-consuming for moderators to get to the original text, confirm that it's spam, delete the page and block the spammer. Please don't do it going forward. Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 16 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Okay, just thought that sometimes the text may be not recognized and gets a base in our wiki. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 17 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Kiepenheuer & Witsch ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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Saying "Now located in" is not a very useful thing - what happens 3 years down the road when they had moved but noone updated the entry? Not everyone knows to look at the History and try to figure out when that was valid (and not-logged people cannot even look at that). Instead use something like "As of September 2022" or whatever date you know they were there - that way even if they move, the entry is still correct. :) I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?6131 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:04, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Okay, that's even better, though this is one of the publishers I keep an eye on: any change of place will be noted. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:07, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Notes (again) ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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I assume that for edits such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5426681 this one], you are planning to import the newly created parents into a book somewhere OR add notes into the originals which were not imported (for a date provenance). That should have been in the moderator notes (or even in the proper notes on the original) so that someone looking at the title before they get imported/noted, can trace why they have these dates... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== The Elephant ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5426761 this one] too fast so I deleted it. The author name for this book is not Sławomir Mrożek but Slawomir Mrozek (unlike the accented characters, these two names actually can coexist on the server so these are two separate names in the DB). I deleted the book so you need to redo that one - but with the correct name for the author and all his stories. And yes, it is a pain with the Polish authors who have ł and ż and their names but we catalog based on the books, not based on how we wish the English publishing industry had printed the name, right? :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:12, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: And while I am around - we have an <nowiki>{{incomplete}}</nowiki> template for cases where you want to say "More contents to be added!". I replaced it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?916136 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:15, 23 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:: I do think we actually don't know what version of name is stated on the title page, OCLC and the cover point towards Slawomir Mrozek, the reprint towards Sławomir Mrożek. But maybe it is better to wait for someone to take actually a look into the publication: it would be somewhat too tedious to enter all the titles possibly in vain. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Let me add that this addition was initialized by the SFE3 entry, which notes no distinction; do you think that this source may not be dependaple in that regard? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:11, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::: Unless you have a source contradicting the cover, I’d use what is on the cover for these and note that in the notes. Older English books are notorious for dropping any non-standard characters and I highly doubt that they used a different versions on the cover and on the title page. Online sources tend to overlook these and consider the age of the books as an explanation - we record as used on the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:19, 25 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Unintentional deletion ==<br />
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Hello Christian! I have completely unintentionally deleted a comment for your request. I was not familiar with this "rollback" and I did not know what it evokes. Fortunately Ahasuerus noticed it and corrected it. So please accept my apology. [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 11:36, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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:Sure, no problem! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 15:32, 24 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zyklus series and Series with Duplicate Numbers ==<br />
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Hello Christian, <br />
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Quite a lot of the Zyklus series had acquired repeated numbers based on your updates in the last months. The DB is not designed for that so we have a report to look for these so they can be corrected. Can you please look at the report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?17 here] and clear these? If you would like to propose a change in the rules/conventions/practices which will allow these to stand as they are, please head to R&S and so on :) If you cannot see the report, let me know and I will post the list here. Thanks in advance! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:09, 26 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Annie, can you please give an example, because 'Only moderators can access the specified cleanup report'? I do suspect that titles like 'Perry Rhodan (1. Aufl.) - 1984' as by uncredited are meant, which appears six times, each time varianted to a different parent title (!?) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:33, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Looking more closely, it's more likely that titles like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1800838 Vorstoß nach Arkon] vs. the same-numbered (and in this case same-titled) [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1463714 Vorstoß nach Arkon] cause the problem (!?)<br />
:: It is the latter case - two titles with the same number in the same series. This is not a common scenario - the only other case we have that in the DB is a short story/interior art mixed series and I already pinged the editor who worked on it about it. And as usual, if this is not used that way in the DB, there may be underlying software issues when it is done (and having two separate different texts makes the series impossible to order properly. <br />
:: I wondered if the report is moderator only. Here is the complete list (series first, number that is repeated second, ignore the leading number (it is the report line):<br />
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231 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1271.1<br />
232 PR Zyklus 18: Chronofossilien — Vironauten 1216.1<br />
233 PR Zyklus 15: Die Kosmischen Burgen 938.1<br />
234 PR Zyklus 16: Die Kosmische Hanse 1053.1<br />
235 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 214.1<br />
236 PR Zyklus 5: Die Meister der Insel 224.9<br />
237 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 184.1<br />
238 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 189.1<br />
239 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 167.1<br />
240 PR Zyklus 4: Das Zweite Imperium 199.1<br />
241 PR Zyklus 3: Die Posbis 111.1<br />
242 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 77.1<br />
243 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 92.1<br />
244 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 56.1<br />
245 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 71.1<br />
246 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 69.1<br />
247 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 84.1<br />
248 PR Zyklus 2: Atlan und Arkon 86.1<br />
249 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 6.1<br />
250 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 11.1<br />
251 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 19.1<br />
252 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 30.1<br />
253 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 39.1<br />
254 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 8.1<br />
255 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 26.1<br />
256 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 2.1<br />
257 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 33.1<br />
258 PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht 4.1<br />
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:: Because they are all .1 I wonder if you were trying to do something somewhat creative but dumping them at the same number is not a good idea IMO. sorry for the formatting - these read better in edit mode - on my phone and formatting is hard from it. Any help you can provide clearing these will be very welcome :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:14, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::: Well, for the doubled numbers (like the above #39.1 'Vorstoß nach Arkon'): these titles all end at the same point in the respective internal chronology, they only were adapted in different ways. That's why I took to this solution. Christan [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:12, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::: But the DB is not really designed to allow that, neither is that a practice we use and this is not the only series with books running in parallel… so they need to get untangled and get different numbers. Using the publication order to order them inside of the decimals is the usual solution with notes that the stories take place at the same time. Plus you may know why you did that but no one else looking at the series would know. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
::::: Okay! On re-thinking this issue most of the titles will have the respective ending of the final novella anyway (for 39.1 the ending of 39), though some will have some changed or added ending. The idea was just to sort out the original novellas from their adaptations. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:04, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::: A subseries or set of a them maybe? We have a few other series where the original books were reworked/changed enough to require new title records and in these cases we make a subseries, add notes in the main series and in the subseries explaining the relationship (when known) and whatever number schemes there are. That way the series are also a lot more readable on the screen. Just throwing another idea your way while you are thinking on the best way to organize these. In all cases, write some notes on the series level explaining the special numbering - you know why you wanted to split them and why they belong where they belong, someone finding our records from internet who is not well versed at the Zyklus practices will get lost. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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::::::: I've thought about that, too. But since some the novellas were just translated, and the same ones were incorporated into fix-ups this would also lead to a (greater) mess. <br />
::::::: And for the French titles: they would then end up in different series (first they presented translations of the novellas, organized either in anthologies or collections; then changed to translations of the fix-ups). <br />
::::::: With more than 3,000 original novellas published so far in an ongoing chronology that was and is augmented with many additional tales, anyone hoping for readability or a fast grasping will be lost anyway, I think. But I'll add an explanatory note to the series; thanks for the idea. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:30, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:::::::: Series in ISFDB are flat so sometimes you need to make compromises and take into account how they are implemented and how they look on a screen when someone looks at them. This would be solvable a lot easier if a book can belong to two or more series :) As they cannot, we do the best we can with what we have. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:35, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Hochzeit in Atomweiler [8] ==<br />
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Can you please add an author and a language to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3085505 this poor title]? No idea how you managed to leave it with no author but it somehow happened. I suspect it is Daniel Mróz but as you are around and it is a verified book, I prefer to check. :) It probably also need a page number (or alternatively it needs ejecting from the publication and deletion). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:17, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Must have been a systems hiccup since titles with no author are not allowed when submitting (and I'm sure I also added the page). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:42, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
: It's ''very'' ominous that there's no record of my latest update when I added the additional pieces of art last week in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?410909 the pub. edit history]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Actually, that missing submission in the history explains what happened: the submission errored out midway through its run: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5432749 submission]. It happens occasionally (rarely but happens) and yes, that would produce a weird result. Check anything after that image though - as it seems it errored on it, anything after that may not have made it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:01, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Der Botschafter ==<br />
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What is the source for the date of the parent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5425727 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:24, 27 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: A note on first publications in "Zabawa: Satire in lustloser Zeit". Sorry that the Polish chapbook was dated erroneously to 1981: there's no publication of it to be found at WordCat. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and note added. Please make sure that ALL titles which have no publications attached confirming the date (and are not parents existing just to move the title to the canonical author) have notes explaining their dates' (and if needed - their titles') provenance. You already did the research if you are setting the date, just document it. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:01, 28 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Self-approver flag set on the account ==<br />
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As per the outcome of the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Applying_for_self-moderating Community Portal discussion], the self-approver flag has been set on your account. Please use it wisely :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 29 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Will do. And more careful than before, too! Chrstian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:10, 30 September 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== I Am Alive and You Are Dead ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/iamaliveyouarede0000carr; Recently uploaded to Archive, notes here say date source unknown but it says the date on the copyright page, I added link and changed 01 to 00 in date, you may want to add info to notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:55, 11 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Zurück in die Steinzeit ==<br />
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The cover artist of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?491046 this] is not Boris Vallejo, but Tony Roberts, see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?276629 Survivor]. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 17:48, 12 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Thanks! I ''was'' in doubt that Vallejo was the artist: there was no original English parent to be found. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:58, 15 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Cartoon: Rüsselmops, der Außerirdische (Perry Rhodan Report Nr. 198) ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5443067 this edit] which impacts your verified pubs. Are these the same? Or should the second one actually be a different number? --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:54, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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: Please reject, the later one should in fact bear the number of Report #199. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:10, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
::Rejected. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:38, 24 October 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== Ping-Pong mutations ==<br />
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Please stop [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?289 f#@$%ing around] or I'll make a request to revoke your self-approval rights. This is my last and final warning, I have clearly explained why you can't have it your way.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 16:24, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: I don't know if you're aware of this, but since 2020 someone's uploaded many of these books, https://archive.org/search.php?query=scheer+darlton&sort=-addeddate, including the 1 in question, which I've added a link to in a pending edit. If I may give you some advice, after that lengthy argument recently about the page count of some old M.Z. Bradley work, Falcons of ?, and now this, there are clearly several people here who have a long-standing grudge against you, and after having several strikes already they would love to prevent you from ever being a self-moderator again. There are countless things to be done here, even after more than 15 years of regular folks being allowed to edit (as my 37,000 edits in less than 2 years can attest to), so if somebody says something should be a certain way, just let it go and move on to something else. The alternative is losing your self-mod status and having to wait endlessly for a mod to get around to approving your edits, which has been getting much worse lately. Believe me, you don't want that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 6 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: Please do make a request, Dirk, if you think it's up to a moderator's qualification to change verified publications without requesting (or even an information of) the verifier; this is quite below our standard, and you seem have taken to this habit lately. If you'd have asked, you would have been informed that the definition as CHAPBOOK is perfectly okay in light of [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive48#New_cleanup_report_-_Cleanup_report_to_find_CHAPBOOKs_with_multiple_fiction_titles this discussion]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:45, 7 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Okay, posted the problems you have at the moderator noticeboard. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:23, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: @Username: these additions/transformations were done in joined accordance, see [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Linguist#French_Perry_Rhodan here] and the contemporary discussions: initially, the volumes were entered as novels, whereas they (from a certain point in time on and up to #199 of the French incarnation) contained translations of the original novellas, and thus need to be transformed accordingly. (This is one of the many things to do you mention). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Posting and the Watchlists and histories ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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A small request: when editing your posts, please leave the title of the post in the "Summary:" field under the post. Look at [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard&curid=9221&action=history this history]. See how ALL updates (minor or not) but yours have the post name in front of them? When you delete that part when you are writing your own summary in that field, someone needs to go through comparisons to see what post you had edited and chase down the change making working through the board with multiple changes almost impossible to deal with (and almost ensuring that your edits may be lost if there are a lot of traffic - if someone does not have a reason to, they won't reread a post they do not realize has a new/changed message. So can you please leave the title of the post in the summary at all times? Thanks! 13:44, 9 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:Okay, will do so in the future. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mitkey Astromouse ==<br />
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Hi Christian, <br />
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If [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1562 this] is an adaptation for young readers, then it is not the same story and needs to be unvarianted and to be left on its own and connected only via the notes. We connect translations, we do not connect adaptations which change the story drastically. Let me know if your note is incorrect thus making it a proper variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:46, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:: I'd say the adaptational part is only in the use of a somewhat less 'strong' language (more fit for children), and the story itself is represented completely. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:48, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: Then it cannot be juvenile if the original is not. If if is adapted for children, it cannot be a variant. If it is a translation, it cannot be juvenile. You decide based on the text. If it is specifically adapted for children, I would never call it a variant personally. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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:::: I haven't been aware that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5377091 an editor] changed it to juvenile, I'll change it back. <br />
:::: On translations vs. variant titles: there do exist translations that change the meaning of sentences, chapters or whole works into something different than the author had written. In this case I'd think there's not enough to validate a not-varianting. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 02:18, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Perry Rhodan, #209: Im Banne der Scheintöter ==<br />
<br />
Both Dirk Geiling's titles [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?921625 here] should be Interior art I suspect? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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: Of course! Corrected, thanks for finding this! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:49, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Das Hexenschiff - dating issues again ==<br />
<br />
Hello Christian, <br />
<br />
Can you please explain where did you get [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5273339 this date] from? When the date of a title is different from its first publication we have on the list, we either need a note explaining the provenance of the date OR that very first edition to be added. Same question for its parent and the chapbook it is in. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:53, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: Same question for the dates [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?703780 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:55, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title_history.cgi?3043856 Deadwood — Stadt der Särge], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3008984 Die Grabräuber], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3016229 Die Kreuzweg-Legende], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3038691 Die Vampir-Polizei], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3029975 Drei Gräber bis Atlantis], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3000479 Dämonenfalle Rom], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3034865 Geisterdämmerung], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3040487 Der Jetset-Dämon] and all their associated titles (short stories, covers and chapbooks and the parents where they exist). Unless you are adding the older version of the book(s) immediately, writing notes when you change the dates are mandatory. Some of these had been changed in March and had been just sitting unsupported for 8 months... Can you please go and fix these? Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:00, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
: And I found more... Can you see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?275 this report]? If you can, please get all the titles where you got weird dates on and fix them - either add the missing edition or add notes on every title where the date does not match the publications we have. If you cannot see the report, I will be happy to pull a complete list (in addition to the ones already listed above). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:03, 14 November 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: All these associated titles were published initially in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?1533 this series] and should have been dated accordingly upon entering the respective later publications (which I didn't do). But for the sake of it, I'll work through the list. Thanks for bringing this up. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:44, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
::: That’s great that you know where the dates come from but someone else finding them won’t know what they are looking at and if someone is working this report, they may not be nice enough to come ask you and instead will just reset the dates to what the publications show this losing your work and some of the data. As a basic rule, unless you are adding the first editions as well, each title needs notes explaining the date’s provenance. That’s not “good to have” - it is a “must have”. Thanks for working on them. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 02:02, 15 November 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Stanislaw-Lem-Bibliographie ==<br />
<br />
Hi Christian, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3097650 this title] appears on the cleanup report for 'Variant Title Dates Before Canonical Title Dates'. I.m.o. the earlier version should be the parent, not the variant. Was this on purpose? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 04:18, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Yes. I did this because the later one was more complete (adding new and formerly missed out publications & titles), and also because Klaus Staemmler was involved in the later one (and he seems to have added much of his knowledge). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 10:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks. Ignored, and thus removed from the report. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 11:09, 16 November 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Can Such Things Be? ==<br />
<br />
Hi. Please, if you have time, to approve [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5493926 this submission] (5493926). It's a lot of work. Many thanks. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] ([[User talk:Terraflorin|talk]]) 02:20, 24 November 2022 (EST)</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:VNTRDFLGRQ2006.jpg&diff=647901
File:VNTRDFLGRQ2006.jpg
2022-10-24T12:15:16Z
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Terraflorin
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File:MRDCTMRTQJ2011.jpg
2022-10-24T11:11:05Z
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|ArtistId=8218
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Mai r&#259;u decât moartea<br />
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|Pub=MRDCTMRTQJ2011<br />
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|ArtistId=8218<br />
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Terraflorin
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2022-10-19T05:34:38Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
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{{CID1<br />
|Title=Discipolii zeilor de alt&#259;dat&#259;<br />
|Edition=ePublishers 2015 unknown<br />
|Pub=DSCPLZLRDL2015<br />
|Publisher=ePublishers<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
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Terraflorin
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2022-08-26T06:03:46Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Supermintea
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|Pub=SPRMNTFSNF2003
|Publisher=Editura Antet
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<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Supermintea<br />
|Edition=Editura Antet 2003 unknown<br />
|Pub=SPRMNTFSNF2003<br />
|Publisher=Editura Antet<br />
|Artist=Ion N&#259;stase<br />
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Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:MRTDBNLVSC2009.jpg&diff=635739
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2022-06-12T14:48:09Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
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<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Mort de-a binelea<br />
|Edition=Editura Leda 2009 tp<br />
|Pub=MRTDBNLVSC2009<br />
|Publisher=Editura Leda<br />
|Artist=Lisa Desimini<br />
|ArtistId=8218<br />
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Terraflorin
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2022-05-24T05:58:27Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
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<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Castelul mi&#537;c&#259;tor al lui Howl<br />
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|Pub=CSTLLMCTRL2006<br />
|Publisher=Editura RAO<br />
|Artist=Tim Stevens<br />
|ArtistId=30972<br />
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Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Terraflorin&diff=629596
User talk:Terraflorin
2022-03-18T07:41:20Z
<p>Terraflorin: /* Флот вторжения */</p>
<hr />
<div>== Archives ==<br />
[[User_talk:Terraflorin/Archive1|Archive 2019]], [[User_talk:Terraflorin/Archive2|Archive 2020]], [[User_talk:Terraflorin/Archive3|Archive 2021]]<br />
<br />
== Le cycle des légendes ==<br />
<br />
Hello, I've accepted your submission, but had to make the following changes:<br />
* Publisher should have been {{pubr|1822|Presses Pocket}}. That publisher was renamed to just 'Pocket' in 1993 - see [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket here], but we still record all publications under the publisher's original name.<br />
* Changed 13-digit ISBN to 10-digit ISBN for a pre-2005 publication<br />
* Changed format from tp to pb - all Presses Pocket - Science Fiction publications are pb<br />
* Added pub series and pub series ID - see the {{ps|251|pub series}}, and [https://www.worldcat.org/title/chroniques-de-tenebreuse-1-le-cycle-des-legendes/oclc/859048285&referer=brief_results here] for the pub series ID<br />
* Corrected an Author typo: Elleen Ledbetter --> Eileen<br />
* Added note to indicate that publication date was coming from Goodreads (and I added that Amazon.FR had it as 1998-07-02) <br />
* Also added WorldCat reference while I was at it.<br />
I haven't added any title series info (as I didn't check very thoroughly), but I guess you could add these and other titles in the ''Chroniques de Ténébreuse'' series. Have a look [https://www.worldcat.org/title/chroniques-de-tenebreuse/oclc/937574863&referer=brief_results here].<br><br />
The only thing left to do for you is to variant the individual stories to their English original. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 08:49, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
Oh and I've also added NooSFere reference and cover artist :). [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:03, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Ok, great! Thanks, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]]! About Elleen Ledbetter --> Eileen - [https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Le_Cycle_des_l%C3%A9gendes&diff=175188393&oldid=159519914 I corrected Author typo at fr.wikipedia] after I send this submission on isfdb. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 09:55, 7 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Source notes ==<br />
<br />
Just a gentle reminder again that every book which is not primary verified needs to have a note with its source. While we can figure it out and add based on the external IDs and links you added, this adds an additional step for any moderator working on your submission (which is partially why some of them stay in the queue for longer than necessary). Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:45, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: And please use the Tr template when adding translators. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:52, 8 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Working language ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
Despite us being an international site, the working language is English and all the notes and non-title/author names should be in English. So when adding a birth place, please use the English name of the city/town, i.e. Bucharest and not București. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:31, 11 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Hi, [[User:Anniemod|Annie]]!<br />
:București not Bucharest - confusion with Budapest is avoided :D Ok, next time is Bucharest. Please approve My Pending Edits [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4794078 4794078], 4794079, 4794081, 4794082 and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4794083 4794083]; I have to correct [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8708 Pub Series Armada (Editura Nemira)] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8952 Young Adult], and for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4794081 4794081] Publication Web Page is [https://nemira.ro/partea-intunecata-a-magiei-seria-culorile-magiei-partea-i].<br />
:Thanks! --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 01:19, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: I just approved a boatload of yours -- so these should give you something to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:47, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== The Last Safe Place ==<br />
<br />
I approved this one but it needed a lot of work (you do not add a lot of English publications and they do have their own specifics):<br />
* We do not credit CreateSpace as a publisher even when Amazon does. We use the author name (or the actual publisher if Look Inside shows one)<br />
* 8x5 inches paperback means "tp".<br />
* $57.99 is an extremely high price unless we are talking about a very special edition. It is not a list price for sure so in such cases just add the currency symbol.<br />
* The ISBN10/ASIN Amazon link does not go into the external sites.<br />
* Add a date into the notes<br />
* Don't forget to add the story to chapbooks or add a moderator note if you are going to be importing<br />
The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?800480 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 02:52, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Series names ==<br />
<br />
When a series name is a common string as "Young Adult", please do not forget to add the name of the publisher to it, even if it seems to be the first one -- the only reason it is the first one is because every other series has the publisher name. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:55, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: PS: on the question you deleted: if you click on the radio box for publisher as a source, the system will add "Data from the publisher site" automatically :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 04:55, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
: Yes, is ''Young Adult (Editura Nemira)''. About "Data from the publisher site", I understood, that's why I deleted last message. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 04:57, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:: Yup - I changed it :) One more thing on adding translators. The "and/or" when you are not sure which translator did what works for the stories themselves but on the collection/anthology level, it should be "and" only -- they all ARE the translators of the whole book :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 05:43, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Ok, this is a copy-paste error. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 05:50, 12 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
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== Limitele spiritului ==<br />
<br />
Hello. I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4811691 your submission] on hold, as the ISBN 9789731022598 is the same as for {{p|804330|Inițierea}}. Same issue with [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?4811695 this one]. Could you check? <br />
<br />
Additionally, you should not create a new cover art record that then has to be merged afterwards. It is better to import the art record (if it pre-exists of course), one less edit required that way. Use 'Import Content' from the left-hand menu and use the second option. Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 09:20, 26 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
: Hi, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]], is a mistake or two at https://www.targulcartii.ro/, [https://www.amazon.com/Limitele-spiritului-Academia-vampirilor-Romanian/dp/9731023089/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Limitele+spiritului&qid=1603776536&s=books&sr=1-1 here] ISBN for ''Limitele spiritului'' (2010) is 978-9731022659; and [https://www.amazon.com/Atingerea-umbrei-Academia-vampirilor-Romanian/dp/9731022686/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Atingerea+umbrei&qid=1603776643&s=books&sr=1-1 here] ISBN for ''Atingerea umbrei'' (2010) is 978-9731022680. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 01:32, 27 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
::Accepted and corrected. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 03:43, 27 October 2020 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Translators template ==<br />
<br />
Just a reminder - when adding translators, please use the Tr template and not the full sentence. See how I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2904508 this one]. We also do not need the original title in the notes unless it is cited differently to what the book is varianted to. Thanks! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:25, 26 August 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== ''Rock me Adolf Adolf Adolf'' ==<br />
<br />
Hi. I accepted your {{P|855304|Rock me Adolf Adolf Adolf}} and decided to make a few changes. If you object to any of this, please alter it (or reply here that you disagree, and I can do the altering).<br />
<br />
* I changed it from OMNIBUS to COLLECTION. As far as I am able to tell, "'Da Noiz" was not published separately. It is ok to have a novel-length story in a COLLECTION. We mostly want OMNIBUS for collections containing something previously published as a standalone book.<br />
* I changed the year from 2008 to 2009. The various secondary sources (including the web page you provided and also Worldcat) all use 2009.<br />
* I changed "'Da Noiz" from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION + NOVELLA. I found several sources describing it as either "mini-novel" or "novella", so I think NOVELLA is probably more likely the length.<br />
* The ISBN-10 had a checksum error. It looked like you used the ISBN-13, but without the leading "978". Since the secondary sources all use an ISBN-13, I added the 978 instead of correcting the ISBN-10.<br />
<br />
While I was doing all of that, I found it on Worldcat and did that verification, and I grabbed a copy of the cover image from Goodreads and added that. I hope it looks good. Please review. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] 09:01, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Cătălin Teniță ==<br />
<br />
A quick note about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5072882 this submission]. [[Template:AuthorFields:BirthPlace]] says:<br />
<br />
* For locations whose name is transcribed differently in different languages, use the English version, e.g. "The Hague" rather than "Den Haag", "La Haye" or "L'Aia"<br />
<br />
so I have changed "București" to "Bucharest". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 17:42, 5 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== New Weird ==<br />
<br />
I have [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5073222 your submission] on hold as it has the same ISBN as [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?222821 the English edition]. This seems weird for a Romanian book to have the same ISBN as the English original. Can you check? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 12:21, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: See here: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod#New_Weird_.28in_Romanian.29 --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 15:49, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:: Approved and ISBN deleted :) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] 16:05, 6 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
: Thanks! --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 14:29, 8 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
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== Variant vs. Merge ==<br />
<br />
Hello! I hold your submissions, because you want to variant the titles. But if the the title's name and the name of the author are identical, we merge them. By opening the site of an author, you will find in the left bar the option ''Check for Duplicate Titles'' and there you can merge identical titles. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] 08:02, 11 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
:Ok. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5079821] [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5079820] --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 12:42, 11 September 2021 (EDT)<br />
<br />
== Флот вторжения ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
<br />
You submitted a mix between two different editions: the 2007 complete novel and the first volume of the 2001 2-volume set (the cover, cover artist and the year belonged to this one; the ISBN and the title belonged to the 2007 edition). Please be careful when there are multiple editions. In addition, the author name was incorrect for both (Гарри Тертлдав instead of Гарри Тартлдав). I cleaned it up and will add the other edition later. The result is [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?888421 here]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:18, 16 March 2022 (EDT)<br />
: Ok, Annie, many thanks for help. --[[User:Terraflorin|Florin]] 03:41, 18 March 2022 (EDT)</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:SCRBLNMRMJ2009.jpg&diff=618783
File:SCRBLNMRMJ2009.jpg
2021-11-27T07:20:41Z
<p>Terraflorin: uploaded a new version of "Image:SCRBLNMRMJ2009.jpg"</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
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Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:SCRBLNMRMJ2009.jpg&diff=618782
File:SCRBLNMRMJ2009.jpg
2021-11-27T07:20:14Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
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Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:GRSFZTQKWZ2010.jpg&diff=618553
File:GRSFZTQKWZ2010.jpg
2021-11-24T07:16:21Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=E greu s&#259; fii zeu
|Edition=Paralela 45 2010 tp
|Pub=GRSFZTQKWZ2010
|Publisher=Paralela 45
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=E greu s&#259; fii zeu<br />
|Edition=Paralela 45 2010 tp<br />
|Pub=GRSFZTQKWZ2010<br />
|Publisher=Paralela 45<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:STBCLGJLHX1994.jpg&diff=616100
File:STBCLGJLHX1994.jpg
2021-10-26T05:54:09Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Steaua &#537;i biciul
|Edition=Editura Loreley 1994 tp
|Pub=STBCLGJLHX1994
|Publisher=Editura Loreley
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Steaua &#537;i biciul<br />
|Edition=Editura Loreley 1994 tp<br />
|Pub=STBCLGJLHX1994<br />
|Publisher=Editura Loreley<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CZSPDBNNSK1999.jpg&diff=614415
File:CZSPDBNNSK1999.jpg
2021-10-11T07:41:28Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Czasopodobna niesko&#324;czono&#347;&#263;
|Edition=Zysk i S-ka 1999 unknown
|Pub=CZSPDBNNSK1999
|Publisher=Zysk i S-ka
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Czasopodobna niesko&#324;czono&#347;&#263;<br />
|Edition=Zysk i S-ka 1999 unknown<br />
|Pub=CZSPDBNNSK1999<br />
|Publisher=Zysk i S-ka<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:STRNBRWCGQ1990.jpg&diff=612220
File:STRNBRWCGQ1990.jpg
2021-09-21T08:21:41Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Strania iubire
|Edition=Editura Globus 1990 tp
|Pub=STRNBRWCGQ1990
|Publisher=Editura Globus
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Strania iubire<br />
|Edition=Editura Globus 1990 tp<br />
|Pub=STRNBRWCGQ1990<br />
|Publisher=Editura Globus<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CSTLLGRZFD1990.jpg&diff=612219
File:CSTLLGRZFD1990.jpg
2021-09-21T08:20:54Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Castelul groazei
|Edition=Editura S&#259;get&#259;torul 1990 tp
|Pub=CSTLLGRZFD1990
|Publisher=Editura S&#259;get&#259;torul
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Castelul groazei<br />
|Edition=Editura S&#259;get&#259;torul 1990 tp<br />
|Pub=CSTLLGRZFD1990<br />
|Publisher=Editura S&#259;get&#259;torul<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:PVSTLLSXMF2021.jpg&diff=612218
File:PVSTLLSXMF2021.jpg
2021-09-21T08:20:05Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Povestea Lui Lisey
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2021 tp
|Pub=PVSTLLSXMF2021
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Povestea Lui Lisey<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2021 tp<br />
|Pub=PVSTLLSXMF2021<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:MXCNGTHCMH2021.jpg&diff=611985
File:MXCNGTHCMH2021.jpg
2021-09-19T06:53:07Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Mexican Gothic
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2021 tp
|Pub=MXCNGTHCMH2021
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Mexican Gothic<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2021 tp<br />
|Pub=MXCNGTHCMH2021<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:PVSTLLSSGC2007.jpg&diff=611983
File:PVSTLLSSGC2007.jpg
2021-09-19T06:50:54Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Povestea Lui Lisey
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2007 tp
|Pub=PVSTLLSSGC2007
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Povestea Lui Lisey<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2007 tp<br />
|Pub=PVSTLLSSGC2007<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CRCLDFCSPR2020.jpg&diff=611982
File:CRCLDFCSPR2020.jpg
2021-09-19T06:46:46Z
<p>Terraflorin: uploaded a new version of "Image:CRCLDFCSPR2020.jpg"</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Cercul de foc. Supravie&#539;uirea unei civiliza&#539;ii<br />
|Edition=Editura Creator 2020 A5<br />
|Pub=CRCLDFCSPR2020<br />
|Publisher=Editura Creator<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CRCLDFCSPR2020.jpg&diff=611981
File:CRCLDFCSPR2020.jpg
2021-09-19T06:46:24Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Cercul de foc. Supravie&#539;uirea unei civiliza&#539;ii
|Edition=Editura Creator 2020 A5
|Pub=CRCLDFCSPR2020
|Publisher=Editura Creator
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Cercul de foc. Supravie&#539;uirea unei civiliza&#539;ii<br />
|Edition=Editura Creator 2020 A5<br />
|Pub=CRCLDFCSPR2020<br />
|Publisher=Editura Creator<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:RLDNFRTMPL2011.jpg&diff=611980
File:RLDNFRTMPL2011.jpg
2021-09-19T06:45:03Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Ora&#537;ul din afara timpului
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2011 tp
|Pub=RLDNFRTMPL2011
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Ora&#537;ul din afara timpului<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2011 tp<br />
|Pub=RLDNFRTMPL2011<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CRNFLCRJRB2021.jpg&diff=611892
File:CRNFLCRJRB2021.jpg
2021-09-18T10:03:59Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=C&#259;r&#539;i în fl&#259;c&#259;ri
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2021 tp
|Pub=CRNFLCRJRB2021
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=C&#259;r&#539;i în fl&#259;c&#259;ri<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2021 tp<br />
|Pub=CRNFLCRJRB2021<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CLSPRSTLXZ2020.jpg&diff=611891
File:CLSPRSTLXZ2020.jpg
2021-09-18T10:02:36Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Calea spre stele
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2020 tp
|Pub=CLSPRSTLXZ2020
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Calea spre stele<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2020 tp<br />
|Pub=CLSPRSTLXZ2020<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:FCMSTTRGKL2020.jpg&diff=611890
File:FCMSTTRGKL2020.jpg
2021-09-18T10:02:03Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Foc mistuitor
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2020 tp
|Pub=FCMSTTRGKL2020
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Foc mistuitor<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2020 tp<br />
|Pub=FCMSTTRGKL2020<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:RLMSCTRLTW2020.jpg&diff=611889
File:RLMSCTRLTW2020.jpg
2021-09-18T10:00:36Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Ora&#537;ul mascat
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2020 tp
|Pub=RLMSCTRLTW2020
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Ora&#537;ul mascat<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2020 tp<br />
|Pub=RLMSCTRLTW2020<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:CLFLGRLZDP2020.jpg&diff=611888
File:CLFLGRLZDP2020.jpg
2021-09-18T09:59:33Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Calea fulgerului
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2020 tp
|Pub=CLFLGRLZDP2020
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Calea fulgerului<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2020 tp<br />
|Pub=CLFLGRLZDP2020<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:MRTLDTRRWD2018.jpg&diff=611885
File:MRTLDTRRWD2018.jpg
2021-09-18T05:52:10Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Mort la datorie
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2018 tp
|Pub=MRTLDTRRWD2018
|Publisher=Editura Nemira
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Mort la datorie<br />
|Edition=Editura Nemira 2018 tp<br />
|Pub=MRTLDTRRWD2018<br />
|Publisher=Editura Nemira<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:NVZXTRTRST2019.jpg&diff=611818
File:NVZXTRTRST2019.jpg
2021-09-17T15:25:28Z
<p>Terraflorin: uploaded a new version of "Image:NVZXTRTRST2019.jpg"</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Invazia extraterestr&#259;. Conspira&#539;ia t&#259;cerii<br />
|Edition=Editura Darclee 2019 hc<br />
|Pub=NVZXTRTRST2019<br />
|Publisher=Editura Darclee<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:NVZXTRTRST2019.jpg&diff=611817
File:NVZXTRTRST2019.jpg
2021-09-17T15:25:02Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Invazia extraterestr&#259;. Conspira&#539;ia t&#259;cerii
|Edition=Editura Darclee 2019 hc
|Pub=NVZXTRTRST2019
|Publisher=Editura Darclee
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Invazia extraterestr&#259;. Conspira&#539;ia t&#259;cerii<br />
|Edition=Editura Darclee 2019 hc<br />
|Pub=NVZXTRTRST2019<br />
|Publisher=Editura Darclee<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin
https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:JRNLLSFWTF1993.jpg&diff=611352
File:JRNLLSFWTF1993.jpg
2021-09-13T09:56:21Z
<p>Terraflorin: {{CID1
|Title=Jurnalul SF, #27
|Edition=Intact 1993 bedsheet
|Pub=JRNLLSFWTF1993
|Publisher=Intact
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Terraflorin}}</p>
<hr />
<div>{{CID1<br />
|Title=Jurnalul SF, #27<br />
|Edition=Intact 1993 bedsheet<br />
|Pub=JRNLLSFWTF1993<br />
|Publisher=Intact<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Terraflorin]]}}</div>
Terraflorin