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== PVR ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rosenkr&type=Name; Palie von is actually Palle von per contents page photo online, novel is not genre from what I can gather online, Palle Rosenkrantz story is not genre per online reviews, neither really belong here, didn't notice this until I'd already entered bio info for Rosenkrantz, cancelled my edit, I think both names should be deleted, probably other contents from 1960 omnibus and Martin Edwards anthology are not genre and should be removed, too (there's a note in the anthology's record mentioning this). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:30, 2 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Rageot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=rageot&type=Publisher; I have a PENDING edit fixing/adding stuff re: someone else's recent edit for a book published by Rageot and I noticed ISFDB has records for that name which was on the title page and the longer name, Rageot-Éditeur, which was on the copyright page. So really all books should probably be merged under one name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 3 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Science Fictional Solar System ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?32159; The UK HC & book club editions say Martin H. Greenberg on their cover, 2 eBay copies of book club don't show title page, does anyone own either edition who can verify what his name is on title page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:28, 4 November 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Brad Steiger Stories ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5805263; I didn't change the dates of Steiger's stories but I think they're both wrong. "Detroit", being a variant title, should have the date of this anthology, I think, and "Huntsman" should have a 1966 date as copyright page says. Am I right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Yes, titles are dated per first appearance of that form of the title. Updates made. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:51, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Amazon WEBP Images ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_frontimage&O_2=contains&TERM_2=w%2Fwebp&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; After I replaced one a few days ago and another one today I did a search and it seems most (all?) of the images with the weird URL Amazon switched to for a while are now broken. Is there a batch fix or will they have to be changed one by one (there's several hundred)? Most are not PV. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:09, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I see what you mean. There are 806 affected publication records, 30 of them primary-verified. I could create a script to change the URLs of the unverified pubs, then we could ask the primary verifiers to check their pubs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:25, 5 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I'm sure you've already got something that could be repurposed for this, but if not:<br />
:: https://github.com/JohnSmithDev/ISFDB-Tools/blob/master/tools/submit_edits_via_api.py<br />
:: You would need to update get_bad_pub_records() to pick up the affected records - plus any additional check to not pick up verified pubs - and the regex to fix them in the first line of generate_pubdate_imagefix()<br />
:: Then 'uncomment' the PUB_COVER_EDITS code in the __main__ section. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:01, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: There have been quite a few scripts to mass change URL structures over the years, e.g. [https://sourceforge.net/p/isfdb/code-svn/HEAD/tree/trunk/scripts/amazon_urls_to_https.py this one from 2022]. I plan to use it as a template later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I was adding an Amazon author image for Maggie Allen and the URL is weird so I did a search, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_image&O_1=contains&TERM_1=m.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FW&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author], and these are also broken. I don't know if the batch will fix these, too. EDIT: This URL was fine, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806113, which I got by searching for Amazon and the author's name in Google Images; however, on the author's Amazon page, https://www.amazon.ca/-/fr/Maggie-Allen/e/B00DXZNLOG, the URL is the broken one. I don't know what's up with all this but I'm sure someone else does. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have now manually fixed the "WEBP" author URLs. All but 2 were broken. Removing the "WEBP" part fixed all of them, although a few were "S" images, so they will be caught by the cleanup reports when they next run. I think it's safe to say that we should be able to removed "WEBP" from the affected cover scans programmatically. I'll work on it later today. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks. I added an image to Maxwell Alexander Drake's record and of the 4 images on his Amazon page (I think at least some people must be aware by now that only certain regional Amazon pages display all author images at the moment in the scroll bar or whatever it's called, Amazon.com and many others just show the main photo, and they seem to be getting fewer and fewer as time goes by; I find Amazon Canada and Amazon France are still good) 2 are WEBP and 2 are regular; it figures that the one I had to use wasn't as good as the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome -- WEBP images converted ===<br />
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All 806 "WEBP" images have been converted. Please let me know if you come across any issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:17, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== St. Martin's The Light Fantastic ==<br />
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https://colinsmythe.co.uk/terry-pratchett/discworld/discworld-novels/light-fantastic/; I was doing some edits for the few St. Martin's editions of Terry Pratchett's novels and I think this last one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?43074, doesn't exist. It should probably get the unpublished code for the date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Untouched by Human Hands ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5806259; Actual price was a bit different than what Tuck supposedly said but since Bluesman is gone if anyone else has the Tuck book and it really says 12/- then a note about difference on flap can be added after my edit is approved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: There is a price shown here: www.ebay.com/itm/115568098201 [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 22:07, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Faerie Tale ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=faerie-tale&sort=title&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22&and%5B%5D=firstTitle%3AF; While doing an edit for Raymond E. Feist (adding a note that he was born Gonzales, not Feist, and fixing his day of birth) I saw that, despite the dozens of editions of his great horror/fantasy novel Faerie Tale the only one archived is a Doubleday Book-of-the-Month Club edition which isn't on ISFDB! Open Library claims there are 2 previewable copies but whichever edition the other one was, it's gone now. So if anyone has one of those club indexes or wherever people get the dates/ID # from, you may want to enter this edition so at least there'll be one copy people can read easily. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 6 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I've added the BOMC edition [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?978095 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:23, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Alan Burns ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?18958; I added cover image to Dreamerika a while ago and today added archived link to US Babel edition; SFE says "Babel" in New Worlds is an excerpt so I've added that word to the title. The issue now is SFE thinks all the other short stories are by a different Alan Burns (and probably the poems and essay, too). Does anyone know for sure? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:31, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Connecting books in an unnamed series ==<br />
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I'm currently adding two books where one is the sequel to the other, yet they are not part of a named series. Should I still add series to them (and if so what should I call it), or should I only make a not about it in the title note? /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 14:34, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:What are the books? Can you provide a link to them? Or have you not added them yet? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: One thing that we often do when two or more titles -- or two or more series -- are part of a larger, unnamed, setting is create a new series (or super-series) and use the word "universe" in its name. One example would be the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42997 Baba Yaga Universe]. It contains 2 sub-series and one collection. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::: This is only two books {{t|3244057|Domens dag}} and {{t|978127|Råttorna}}. Calling it a universe feels a bit like giving it more credit than it is due =) /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 18:01, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Hi! If you can't find a naming of the series or a general theme, I'd suggest to use in this case the title of the first novel, like it was done for the two novels in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?34751 this series]. (The second link you provided leads one to a piece of interior art ;-) ) Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:48, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::: If the two novels do share the same main character, there'd be the additional possibility to name the series after it, like it was done [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19161 here]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:10, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks for the many suggestions! I'll go with the ''title of the first novel'' suggestion as the main characters are not given a last name (if memory serves) and Peter & Anna is way to generic =). Appologies for the erroneous second link (that was the pub-id not the title-id), the intended one is {{t|3244058|Råttorna}}. /[[User:Lokal Profil|Lokal]][[Special:Contributions/Lokal Profil|_]][[:User talk:Lokal Profil|Profil]] 16:53, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pied Pipers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1428017; I left Chavey a message about a city missing in their note about imprint on title page of Routledge edition (which I'd just added an Archive.org link to) but later saw that there was a more pressing problem; the title was wrong, missing a word and misspelling another. I later added another note about Warne edition also likely being wrong based on cover image. Looking further, I think the other 2 editions also have the wrong title; Rand McNally 1937 edition (Chavey's note says 1927, that may be yet another mistake) is on Archive.org and it says The Pied Piper of Hamelin on title page while there's no edit history for Harrap edition but notes are in Chavey's style. Problem is Chavey hasn't responded to any messages since May of last year. Any suggestions? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:28, 7 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Their last activity in the database was on 2023-11-04, so only a few days ago. I suggest giving it a little more time for them to respond to the questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:33, 8 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Geta ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17102; I added a link to 1984-00-00 in a PENDING edit; 1985 2nd printing was edited by Hauck, hater of ISFDB, while RTrace cloned the 1984-06-00 but that date can't be right because the price is higher than 1985. There are 2 identical notes about name of publisher in 1984-00-00 and 1985 but neither was edited by the same person/people so some cloning/copying happened there, too. So publisher should either be Granada or Panther / Granada for all 3 and 1984-06-00 should either have a new date or all 0's for unknown; it also says TP, not PB, and likely has the same cover as the others so cover artist should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:48, 9 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Arthur Barker Edition of The Restaurant at the End of the Universe ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5809217; No idea why that obviously incorrect cover artist data was approved by a mod but I removed Kay and the word "Illustrations" from Litherland's credit. I assume the Amazon cover is the correct one because there's a few non-Amazon sites that show the same cover for that ISBN but the problem is Open Library has a 1985 date for the Arthur Barker edition (the only one out of 85 editions) but editor here has 1980 and ISFDB page for that publisher ends in 1980. This edition seems rare so if anyone owns it can you check to make sure date, price, page count (Open Library says 188, not 187), etc. are correct? I left PV a message but they don't seem to answer any questions. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:01, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Letter From A Teddy Bear On ? ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:J-Sun#Letter_from_a_Teddy_Bear_on_Veteran.27s_Day; I doubt this editor will respond so if anyone else wants to say what the right way to do this is, chime in. I could have sworn this discussion took place much earlier but I see it was only last December and yet I added some weird image to my message, which I don't do, so not sure why I did that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Varianted. Most common version used as parent per standard. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:26, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Who Is Lewis Pinder? ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?976273; MLB recently PV Signet PB and I just replaced faded Amazon cover with nice Bookscans cover but I can't find a cover for the HC anywhere. If anyone else can, can you upload it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:29, 10 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Request to add German fantastic literature price: ==<br />
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Hi all, <br />
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after adding the German "DSFP" award, I would like to add now the "Phantastikpreis der Stadt Wetzlar", another German fantastic price:<br />
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Translation: The “Fantasy Prize of the City of Wetzlar” has been awarded since 1983. The prize is a literary prize endowed with 4,000 euros and is awarded annually for a novel. The prize honors works from all types of fantasy, from magical realism to fantasy science fiction, utopia and horror. Particular emphasis is placed on the fact that the fantastic element - similar to Goethe's “Magician's Apprentice” - also allows real life connections to appear in a new light. The prize is awarded by the city of Wetzlar in cooperation with the Wetzlar Fantastic Library. The jury consists of literary experts from Wetzlar and the surrounding area who have a close connection to fantastic literature.<br />
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Source (in German): https://www.phantastik.eu/ausschreibungen-und-preise/phantastikpreis-der-stadt-wetzlar.html<br />
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Forgot to sign it: [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 08:39, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: I do think it should be perfectly eligible. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:06, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: I agree that it appears to be eligible. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have created a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?115 new Award Type] and an Award Category for this prize. Please let me know if there are any issues with the new records, otherwise have fun entering the awards :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: Thats great! Thanks a lot Ahasuerus, I will add the books & authors of last winners of this price, and later link the price to their works. [[User:Jannis|Jannis]] ([[User talk:Jannis|talk]]) 05:16, 18 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pro Se ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=pro+se&type=Publisher; If anyone knows whether these are all by the same publisher some altering to bring them under the same publisher name would be helpful. They publish pulp-style stuff in all genres; neither of the books on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=pro-se-press&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222016%22, are on ISFDB, Sushi Bar... likely has some genre-related stories, probably other eligible books by them out there. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:46, 12 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: If memory serves, I used Amazon's Look Inside to look into "Pro Se" publishers/publication series at one point. Their books used a number of different forms of attribution and I couldn't figure out the logic behind it. Someone would need to do more digging to sort it all out. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:55, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Cyrano and Jules Verne ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=airborne+alan-c; I added 2 anthologies recently, imported genre stories into Skyriders in a PENDING edit, imported 3 genre stories (Kipling, T. L. Thomas, O'Flaherty) into Airborne but there's a couple of ancient excerpts (?) that are a problem. The Cyrano title doesn't match the one on ISFDB and there is no such title by Verne here. Searching for Verne title online only got 1 hit, https://www.mwbooks.ie/pages/books/307419/alan-c-jenkins/airborne-compiled-by-alan-c-jenkins, an Irish bookseller's page for Airborne. Typing a line of text from Verne's story got nothing online. I doubt this book found some long-lost Verne story so I assume it's just a novel excerpt. Does anyone know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:41, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Anna's Archive has a downloadable copy. According to the Acknowledgements page, the Cyrano title is a "passage from Other Worlds by Cyrano de Bergerac, translated by Geoffrey Strachan". The Verne title is a "passage from ''From the Earth to the Moon'' by Jules Verne, translated by Jacqueline Baldick". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:15, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: The submission has been approved. The two titles discussed above have been added. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:38, 13 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bellows ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?97465; I added FantLab photo in a PENDING edit, findagrave.com says Jeffrey, not Jeffery, and has "Kent" in quotes like it's a nickname but the grave says Kent Bellows, and what does the G. stand for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:24, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bizarrocast ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=title_webpage&O_1=contains&TERM_1=bizarrocast&C=AND&USE_2=title_title&O_2=exact&TERM_2=&USE_3=title_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=title_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=title_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=title_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=title_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=title_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=title_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=title_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=title_copyright&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Title]; I was going through the old horror webzine Rosewort, adding links (yes, I found ANOTHER D. F. Lewis story, "Aspen"), and the Ken Goldman story "Going Potty" had a dead link. Then I noticed that the Bizarrocast link in that story's record leads to a log-on page because the original site is gone, but the archived site hardly has any archived pages; I tried one from 2013, "How the Isle of Cats Got Its Name", and after waiting a long time for the page to load all I saw was Arabic (?) writing so even that seems to have been captured after the site was already dead. My link above searched for all title webpages with Bizarrocast in their URL and there's quite a few so if anyone knows whether there's a new site, say here. Otherwise, all those links should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book storage and moving boxes ==<br />
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When I packed my book collection for an interstate move last year, I mostly used the 1 cubic-foot book boxes sold by U-Haul. There were a total of about 135 boxes. I have just finished unpacking the last of them and no damage occurred to any of the books. I particularly liked that they stacked nicely and were easy to hold onto while moving them around. They were especially useful for moving and storing paperbacks. Since there always a need to put some books into storage, I recommend using these boxes. Cheers! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 17:16, 14 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Bloodlust and Fangers ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655; Today I was adding links to any stories on the old Bloodlust-UK horror site that are on ISFDB and they seem to have redesigned the site some time after 2005 because there were a couple of links that had different URL's for the same stories. I did get quite a few links, including at least one that was published earlier on Bloodlust than what the note on ISFDB says and two by the same author that were supposedly original to one of her collections but were actually published on Bloodlust more than 10 years earlier, and was feeling pretty good about all that until tonight when I decided to see if the authors who got links had any other stories online nowadays, non-archived, and while looking for stories by Denise Sodaro this site came up, https://fangersinc.wordpress.com/tag/short-stories/, where they dumped most/all of the original site's stories without any note that I can see that these stories are nearly 2 decades old. I nearly cried at how much faster I could have added links from Fangers instead of trawling through the old site. Anyway, it seems they were collected in some recent Fangers anthologies; I feel bad for people paying money for these old stories that mostly shouldn't have been published the first time when online editors were hungry for content and would accept almost anything. However, there is one thing that could lead to something interesting; this guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?118655, seems to have plagiarized at least one story, "Jumpers", which I added a note to some time ago with an explanation of who actually wrote the story. His other ISFDB story is in an anthology that I read via Interlibrary Loan years before I was an editor here and I can't remember a word of it so no way to tell if that's original. Bloodlust had a story by Michael Steinberg, "Life, or Something Like It", but this Fangers site calls him M. O. Steinberg even though he was already using the M. O. name back when the original site was active so why he went by Michael is anyone's guess. I typed a line of text from "Life..." on Google but got no hits so I'm not sure if it's original or another plagiarism. So if anyone owns the anthology Dreaming of Angels and can read Steinberg's story or reads "Life..." and recognizes it as being by someone else, can you let us know? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Mark Powers - two different people ==<br />
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Currently for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22424 this author] we have a bunch of UK juvenile titles, and some Jim Butcher/Dresden Files comics. I'm reasonably sure these are two different people: [https://www.theshawagency.co.uk/mark-powers here] is the agency page for the former, and [https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Mark-Powers/202304451 here] a publisher page for the latter, with neither page acknowledging the other work.<br />
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Unless anyone objects, I propose to split these off, probably making the second one "Mark Powers (comics)" unless there are better suggestions. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:54, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:I agree. [https://dresdenfiles.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Powers This] is a page showing a pic of the ''Dresden'' comics writer. Definitely not the person shown in the two Twitter/X profiles on our author page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:: The Dresden Files comics should now all be switched over to the new author record. Thanks for confirmation! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:59, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twitter changed to "X/Twitter" ==<br />
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I am seeing more and more references to "X" instead of "Twitter". I have changed the way third party links appear on bibliographic pages from "Twitter" to "X/Twitter" to reflect this. It's a trivial change, so we can always tweak it again if the name changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:46, 17 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Darrell Awards ==<br />
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https://web.archive.org/web/20120908050157/http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~timgatewood/sf/darrell/DarrellWinners_Categories_96to12.pdf; I came across that while looking for something else entirely and since some here like entering new awards and this doesn't seem to be on ISFDB I thought I'd link it in case anyone wants to enter it if it's eligible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Final Frontier Cover ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?13334; I noticed there was a Greg and Gregory Brodeur here, made Gregory an alternate, made variant of one of his essays and merged 3 into 1 for the other essay (a variant will need to be made of that result after, I think), noticed 1st printing of Final Frontier '88 US PB was on Archive.org so added a link, finally noticed BORIS VALLEJO is credited for a foreign edition but not for any of the others even though they have the same art, Bluesman who was PV of 2 editions is long gone so if active PV of US PB agree with PV, Welo, that added art (they didn't mention where they got it in their notes) then cover credit can be added to all with date of US PB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:00, 19 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The German translation states Boris Vallejo as cover artist on the copyright page. But, i wouldn't take this as given for every other release without another source to verify. At the time the german publishers weren't the reliablest for infos on the copyright pages, they had sometimes wrong infos (copied from previous pubs, but not correct). I've stumbled over a few wrong ones over time. [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 12:31, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== SFWA Bulletin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?951170; I was doing Bruce McAllister edits and there's 1 Bruce McAllaster credit here (along with a correct spelling elsewhere in it) but SFWA.org says McAllister so probably a misprint by PV. Also, Gatherng should be Gathering, Nores should be Notes, etc. If anyone can see a real copy all of those can probably be fixed. I assume there are many other mistakes in the other issues of this bulletin since the same PV worked on most/all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Book of Ballads Dates ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Book_of_Ballads; Does anyone agree with me that the 2004 contents should be November instead of October? They say they're original to this book in their notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:39, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Lecrivain ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+last+swan+prince&type=All+Titles; 2017 zine has no period after the C in her name, 2020 webzine does, story's title page will need to be seen to determine if 2017 really doesn't have it, then there should be a merge or a variant. Her other story in that zine doesn't have a period, either, according to ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ormazoids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816628; Since PV is deceased if anyone wants to add/fix anything mentioned in my note to mod, feel free. EDIT: Seems logical UK edition would have been first for a Who book so title date should probably be 1986-00-00 unless anyone can determine exact UK date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Patterns of the Fantastic II ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22patterns+of+the+fantastic%22&sort=title; Copyright page says December 1984, title page says 1986 in roman numerals, ISFDB says May 1985. If anyone knows what's the deal here they may want to add the link where appropriate and fix dates if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:22, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:The title page date is on a sticker that has been applied after printing. That sticker also has "Borgo Press". So it could be Borgo was selling copies for Starmont House or they made a photographic reprint and stuck their sticker on it. May 1985 is the date Locus1 has so that might have been the source for the {{P|287993|ISFDB record}}. Rtrace has secondary verified it with Clute/Nicholls and Reginald3. I will ping him to see if either of those might has some info to shed light on the situation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:53, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Neither {{Reginald3}} nor Clute/Nicholls mention Borgo. The former has a 1985 date while the latter has 1984. {{P|283739|Chalker/Owings}} has the 1984 date. {{P|320234|BP 300}} has 1985. This is probably due to the difference between copyright and publication dates. Also from ''BP 300'', Borgo acquired Starmont in March 1993 after having purchased Starmont's Contemporary Writers Series in 1991. If I had to guess, the sticker is likely a cancel of the Starmont publisher and perhaps the 1986 date is due to a typo (VI vs IV). With that scenario, the sticker was likely added sometime after 1993 when Borgo purchased Starmont. Chalker/Owings does note that the purchase included Starmont's back stock. Regardless, if we decided to add a new publication record for the Borgo cancel of Starmont, I don't think we can date it exactly and I'd recommend using the unknown date. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:13, 23 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:::I made the following changes:<br />
:::*Updated the Starmont House editions with the stated publication date as per ISFDB standards. I also included a pub note on the secondary source dates and a statement that it was likely not out until after the stated publication date.<br />
:::*Cloned an undated Borgo Press edition with a statement regarding Borgo Press buying Starmont House backstock & the uncertainty of the Roman numeral date's meaning.<br />
:::*Added the contents.<br />
:::--&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Philip K. Dick Reader ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1365790; I cloned an 11th printing and publisher is Citadel+Kensington like 2016 but cover is same as 1997 which says publisher is Citadel Twilight; does anyone own a 1st printing who can say whether it says Twilight or if 1997 should be changed to Kensington? Twilight books had a certain bluish look about their covers and they say Twilight on the cover which this book doesn't. Per note on ISFDB Twilight ended in 2000 so it's possible it was a Twilight book and it was only mentioned inside. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ASIN ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441; Clicking US ASIN leads to a different magazine; I don't know if that happens often or not but I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:07, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There are two ISFDB records sharing the same ASIN, "B0CDQWPL1Z":<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966441 Dark Hall Press Cosmic Horror Anthology]<br />
:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?966438 Savage Realms Monthly, August 2023]<br />
: Their respective Edit Histories show that the 2 pubs were manually entered by the same editor on the same day. Most likely it was a copy-and-paste error. I have corrected the erroneous ASIN; thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Salt Is Not For Slaves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=salt+is&type=All+Titles; I can't find a copy of 1931 Ghost Stories issue where it says E. W. supposedly, can confirm it's G. W. in Book of the Living Dead (added link in a PENDING edit from OL-only no-search copy). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:19, 25 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rustin Parr ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36131; Title was entered in 2011, I've made 3 edits (one in each of the last 3 years), and only today noticed the title was wrong; it's Confession, not Confessions. Fixed that in a PENDING edit and while doing so noticed there are 2 foreign editions, https://archive.org/search?query=%22rustin+parr%22+stern&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=year%3A%222000%22, in case anyone fluent wants to enter those. I also have an edit adding UK Boxtree 4th printing of The Blair Witch Project: A Dossier by the same author; there is a HC book club (?) edition of the Onyx edition on Archive.org but I didn't bother with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 26 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Khaw & Kadrey's ''The Dead Take the A Train'' ==<br />
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Re. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3070028 this title], I propose deleting the pub dated 2022-09-27. That was the original publication date, which was pushed back a full year. I have added this detail to the notes for actual pub when it was released (2023-10-03), so the earlier pub record is now redundant. Any objections from anyone? [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 07:43, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
: Would it not be better to make [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Date the pub date 8888-00-00], rather than deleting the record? That way the ISBN is still in the database in case anyone else tries adding it in future? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:36, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
::Yeah, that sounds sensible. Done. [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== ayaz daryl nielsen ==<br />
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Are there any objections to using lowercase for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?162023 Ayaz Daryl Nielsen]. I have never seen him credited any other way. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:01, 27 November 2023 (EST)<br />
:Hearing no objections, the change has been made. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:31, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Eichner ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=m.+eichner&type=Name; While adding links and other stuff to E. Everett Evans books I noticed Eichner shows up twice as an illustrator and I assume those are the same people which would mean a variant is needed. Also, Eichner's birth date is off by 10 days from Wikipedia and most sites seem to agree it's 9, not 19, so the day may need changing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:38, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Disabling the Synopsis field for Variant Titles ==<br />
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Back in April 2022 "Make This a Variant Title" [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive52#Make_Variant_and_Synopsis_data 2022-04-30 was modified] to move VTs' Synopsis data to their parent titles. A new cleanup report, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?328 Variant Title with Synopsis Data], was created at the same time.<br />
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The original plan was to:<br />
* clean up any titles found by this cleanup report (1,600+ at the time)<br />
* confirm that there were no scenarios where a VT needed to have Synopsis data<br />
* change "Edit Title" to disable the Synopsis field for VTs<br />
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The first step was never completed, so the process stalled. I have now processed/corrected around 50 (out of 1546) affected title record. It is as we suspected. Most just needed their synopsis data to be moved to the parent titles. Some needed two synopsis entries reconciled. A few were in error, e.g. there was Notes data in the Synopsis field or vice versa. A few Synopsis values were using a language other than English, which is explicitly not allowed in Help.<br />
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Based on the above, I think it's safe to change the software to disallow entering Synopsis data for VTs. If there are no objections, I plan to work on it over the next few days. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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:Will this block adding a synopsis to a serial title? In at least [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 this case], each of the serial titles is a separate novella that could justifiably have its own synopsis. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:57, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: That's right, the proposed change would prevent Synopsis values from being added to SERIAL titles. I don't think it should cause significant issues since semi-standalone SERIALs are rare and could be handled the way we handled {{A|George Lowther}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?16699 ''Superman'']:<br />
::* Chapters 1-2 describe Superman's planet of origin, Krypton. Chapters 3-5 deal with Clark Kent's childhood with his adoptive parents. In chapter 6, Clark goes to Metropolis and gets a job with the Daily Planet. The remaining eleven chapters deal with a mystery involving ghost ships and Nazi spies.<br />
:: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:53, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::That's what I thought. Hmmm. I don't think that would work in the case of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3129077 Last Stand] since each of the installments (Episodes) are approx. 20,000 word novellas which have differing focus characters within the pseudo-TV series framework and the summaries should be more than a couple of words each. I'm not convinced it is truly a serial anyway. [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Anniemod Anniemod] set this up initially and I've been following suit since. I could just as well see this as a series called <i>Last Stand</i> with the individual novellas as normal Chapbooks/Shortfiction titles. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:52, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: If they have different focus characters and different plots requiring different synopses, then I agree that they sound more like linked stories than a serialization. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:09, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::::I'm the only PV for these. On deeper examination, I believe they are linked stories, not serials. I'm going toss a note to Annie and then convert these from serials to shortfiction, unvarianting the titles, and grouping them under the series <i>Last Stand</i>. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 3 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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=== Outcome: Software has been changed ===<br />
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Hearing no further objections, I have changed "Edit Title" to disallow entering Synopsis data for variant titles. [[Template:TitleFields:Synopsis]] has been updated as follows:<br />
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* A synopsis can only be entered for canonical titles. The software won't let you add a Synopsis to a variant title.<br />
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If you come across any issues, please let me know. All that's left is cleaning up the remaining 1400+ VTs which still have Synopsis values. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:15, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: There was a minor bug in the associated cleanup report. It was causing three valid title records to appear on the report. The bug has been fixed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Nightly cleanup reports fixed ==<br />
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It turns out that the recent addition of a Notes template with an apostrophe in its name -- [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Using_Templates_and_HTML_in_Note_Fields "Achevé D’Imprimer"] -- broke the automated nightly process which regenerates cleanup reports. The software was fixed a few minutes ago and everything should be back to normal tomorrow morning. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 30 November 2023 (EST)<br />
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== New superseries for Glynn Stewart's Castle Federation ==<br />
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Would anyone object if I create a new superseries named <i>Castle Federation Universe</i> which would have the existing series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?42767 Castle Federation] as subseries #1 and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?65374 Dakotan Confederacy] as subseries #2? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:14, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: No objection -- book covers and Goodreads reviews confirm it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:09, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Done. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 21:52, 1 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Julie Novakova/Nováková ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?195102 The page for this author] has "Novakova" in her name, and states '''uses accentless spelling of her surname for foreign publications.'''. However I just checked [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ship-Whisperer-Julie-Nováková-ebook/dp/B08F3S7J9L/ her collection] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rosetta-Archive-Notable-Speculative-Translation/dp/195106402X an anthology she contributed a story to], and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Beyond-Us-Original-Anthology-ebook/dp/B0BNZ7M4F7/ an anthology she co-edited], and all use "Nováková". I assume these should at least be a variant, but I don't have the privileges to see who might have added that author note, in case they can shed any further light?<br />
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(Also, "foreign publications" seems a bit Anglocentric, especially in conjunction with a Czech author?) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:38, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ghosts of the Chit-Chat ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869953; Contents #1, #4-7, #9, and #12 are not original; they're much older stories with at least one (Tatham) being under a different name (H. F. W.) and title ("Phonograph Bewitched"), plus a couple of authors that are not already on ISFDB (although J. K. Stephens may be James Stephens who is). If anyone owns this or knows where to get a look at the full text some fixing/merging is needed after determining what names and titles are actually used in it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:02, 2 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best of John W. Campbell ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1212025; I have a PENDING edit adding Archive.org link to '76 US PB and another edit adding month to intro but the afterword has a variant with neither having a month. PB doesn't actually say afterword on that essay's title page so this may be a false variant that needs merging into one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:26, 4 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Romantic Fantasy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29658; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5827168; Re: this series, I don't think #3 was ever published like a lot of announced Juno books. There's almost no info online, nobody ever entered contents, etc. I think it should get an unpublished date here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:58, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sanjulian ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?914; Should this be changed to Sarjulian and made a variant of his parent name? Because it's supposed to be what's on the page, not what PV thinks it should be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dutch Plot ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?28987; '79 Plot doesn't belong with the others. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Very Special People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5828417; A copy of the rare 1977 horror novel The Soul of Anna Klane was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year and I just came across it, it's a second impression so I cloned it, uploader messed up because the jacket is from an awesome book about circus people (or freaks as they were called back in the day) that anyone my age probably remembers reading or at least looking at the photos. Would anything by the author, https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL529624A/Frederick_Drimmer, qualify to be on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:59, 6 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Is "Frederick Drimmer" the author of ''The Soul of Anna Klane''? The covers say the author is Terrel Miedaner. The only one from the list of Frederick Drimmer's works that looks like it might be includable is ''The Body Snatchers'', but it depends on what it's about. All his other works seem to be nonfiction about non-genre topics. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Other works by Miedaner that might be includable include [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181242.The_Mind_s_I ''The Mind's I'', in which he has a story or essay (not sure which as the book contains both). It has a work by Stanislaw Lem in it. I couldn't find anything else by Miedaner that could be included. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:40, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Miedaner wrote the novel, Drimmer wrote dozens of non-fiction books including some about genre-related topics that I thought might qualify. Maybe someone will find one or two with something in them that can be entered. The novel seems to have had a lot of other editions not on ISFDB including some foreign editions with weird covers so maybe someone fluent could enter those. Also, the Mind's I book you mentioned is on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=terrel+miedaner, in case you think that qualifies to be entered here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:55, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Gary Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?87741; The author of None Dare... died long before the other works on his page were written so obviously by a different Allen; he has his own Wikipedia. However, I don't think there should be a variant but rather the novel removed because it's not really a novel, it's an anti-Communist diatribe by a member of the John Birch Society that's been reprinted endlessly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:42, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Book has been deleted. Clear nongenre, nonfiction by a different author than the speculative fiction Gary Allen. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Twice Twenty-Two ==<br />
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https://openlibrary.org/works/OL103175W/Twice_twenty-two?edition=key%3A/books/OL26558953M; 2 copies, one searchable and one not, searchable one has a gutter code on p. 405, "03 N", which is not in the book club edition's note about gutter codes on ISFDB. Non-searchable one has no code. So if anyone knows how to identify dates from the code they may want to enter at least the copy that has a code. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 8 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Schrecksekunden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404; Does anyone recognize the cover I added? I'm almost sure I've seen it before on an English-language book; if so, artist is likely on ISFDB for that and can be added to this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:https://www.michaelwhelan.com/galleries/emergence/ and that conveniently also has [https://www.michaelwhelan.com/wp-content/uploads/fromtheheartofdarkness-cover.jpg From the Heart of Darkness cover]. Looks like we have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1727716 this]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:05, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The PV of the affected pub is active and a moderator, so I pointed him at this. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:10, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::The cover of [[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5830404 Schrecksekunden]] is correct. Regards Rudolf [[User:Rudam|Rudam]] ([[User talk:Rudam|talk]]) 05:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::Submission approved. Cover credit added to Schrecksekunden with a publication note specifying the secondary source & new cover art record varianted to the prior one. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:19, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Aiken's World Well Lost ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?915733; I don't think Joan published a book with this title but rather it was her brother, John, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135, so Joan's record for that book should probably be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 9 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:24, 10 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pan Mystery Walk ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?556649; Someone just uploaded a foreign cover for Baal, one of Robert R. McCammon's novels, which led me to do some edits for other of his books (there's a lot left to do even though I've done many previously). There's a $75 Subterranean Press signed limited edition of The Night Boat which has been on Archive.org since April of last year which I somehow never noticed before so I added a link to that but the Pan edition of Mystery Walk only has a 2nd printing uploaded; the question is whether the 1st printing also says Stephen Crisp on back cover instead of Steve Crisp, which is what's on ISFDB. So if anyone owns a 1st printing (I don't see anything online except 1 eBay auction where they took photos of everything EXCEPT the copyright page) and it says Stephen then that needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:38, 11 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== International Polygonics Edition of Liars and Tyrants and People Who Turn Blue ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20274; I've made a few edits for this before but noticed today a copy was uploaded to Archive.org earlier this year so I added a link, replaced postage stamp-sized Amazon cover with their cover, and added LCCN (their site screwed up entering the title). However, the copy has a big thick sticker obscuring the cover art credit on the back; it seems to start with Kev so probably Kevin; no other books on ISFDB from the publisher have that in the artist's name so if anyone has/can find a copy can you let us know what the artist's name is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:51, 12 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Brennan's Riddle ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?308567; Been doing some Joseph Payne Brennan edits and this one is odd; there's no content. Is it possible that it contains his 1964 poem "Riddle"? It's likely not a collection but a chapbook or something similar. I added cover image and FantLab ID in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Dedications in Poems ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5817418 this submission] to alter the title of {{T|1337626|this poem}} based on [https://www.sfpoetry.com/sl/edchoice/34.2-2.html this web page] from the magazine's web site. My question is whether "(For Edgar Allen Poe)" should be considered as part of the subtitle, or whether that is a separate dedication that should not be included in the title field. If we go with the latter, it could be added to the notes. My recollection is that poems occasionally have "For XXX" listed in a smaller typeface under the title though usually without the parenthesis. I don't think we usually include these as part of the title field. How do other folks feel about this. If there is disagreement, we can move this to the rules and standards page. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Personally, I wouldn't include this as part of the title. It is somewhat similar to the way some sources treat additional information, for example for series - like in The Death of a Hero (Star Wars), and it ''is'' a dedication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: Dedications are a common occurrence, I never include them in the title. If someone wishes to put then in the note section, I would not object. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:25, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::Hearing no differing opinions, I will reject the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 15:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pocket Pulse ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?269828; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?251391; Should these very old entries by the late PV be changed to Pocket Pulse as the publisher so they merge with all the many others on ISFDB? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Martha Wells / All Systems Red - Code P1 ==<br />
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Some copies of the original tp of All Systems Red have a code "P1" underneath "First Edition: May 2017" on the copyright page. Other copies have no code; the corresponding area is blank. Does anyone know the meaning of this code? Some online booksellers says this code denotes the first printing (or first state of first printing) but this seems to be their opinion. Is there any independent, documented, verifiable evidence of its meaning? Secondly, how should this be recorded in the ISFDb? We have two records: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?723225 PoD] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?608522 non-PoD]. Should I create a new pub record for the P1 code version or should I just add a pub note to an existing record stating that some copies have this code? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:41, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Rich Grote ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?176753; I added, in a PENDING edit, archived site (online now is dead) richgrote.com and Behance page and wickedlocal.com article which revealed he's from New Jersey. There is a Rick Grote credit, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112933, but his bio at various sites online says he started in 1976 while this book is from 1975. Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?123700, where one actually says Grote in the book while the other was not named but editor entered it from cover signature. So if anyone can say for sure that Grote or Rick Grote are Rich Grote then those can be made variants. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:42, 14 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Ash of Stars ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102752; I was doing a bunch of James Sallis edits recently (links to several short stories, archived link to Shores Beneath, adding a massive collection from 2007 titled Potato Tree) and noticed this book about Delany. I don't do many edits for Delany because I can't stand him personally but I'm sure many people here like his work so I'll mention that the copy on Archive.org, https://archive.org/search?query=sallis+delany, the copy on Amazon.com and the copy on Google Books all have the same ISBN on back cover with the barcode saying 53950 which means price is $39.50 but ISFDB says $42.50. Also, ISBN is for HC supposedly but archived copy looks like TP to me. So if anyone wants to add a link to the copy and fill in anything else or change anything, please feel free. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:58, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Scheduled server maintenance - 3pm 2023-12-15 ==<br />
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== Brian Keith Evenson = Brian Evenson? ==<br />
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Any thoughts/objections on making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224599 Brian Keith Evenson] a variant of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ch.cgi?6382 Brian Evenson]? The former has just 2 pieces of short fiction in 1986 and 1989 (both with difficult to Google titles), which slightly predates the earliest work of the latter. Howevever (a) "K." is listed as the middle initial of the legal name of "Brian Evenson" (with [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/evenson_brian SFE] saying this it is "Keith"), and (b) the 1989 story was published by Brigham University, which Wikipedia says is where Brian Evenson got a degree and was later employed. Evenson's site doesn't have any detailed bibliography that might help clarify those two early stories are his. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:39, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The source given for {{P|654878|The Leading Edge, September 1989}} is FictionMags Index. Checking them, they have these as the same author. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:50, 15 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks - I've now set up variants/alternates for the author and two title records. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Conan the Valiant ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?982255; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5836070; Added a few archived links to some of Roland Green's Conan novels, went backwards so first novel was looked at last, it already had a link added by someone last year, as can be seen in my edit above the cover is not the same as the later editions, any Ken W. Kelly experts who know his style can say if both are his work in which case art needs unmerging or if Tor mistakenly carried over Kelly's credit for the later art by someone else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 16 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== F. Piatti ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=co+piatti&type=Name; 2 credits for each, one should be parent assuming credits are correct; maybe they're all really spelled the same and someone just entered one or the other name wrong here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done. Thanks for this find! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:36, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Abridged editions? ==<br />
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Do we include abridged editions? I know we don't include dramatizations but the help doesn't seem to say anything about abridged editions. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:02, 17 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Sure we do! It's possible to add them to the general title (and add a note to the publication), or if the abridgement does alter the story in a major way to add it as a variant, or if another hand is credited for the abridgement to add it as a stand-alone title, like in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2918952 this title]. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:44, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::Thanks for the clarification. I've started to run across a number of audio items that have abridged versions but haven't been sure if I should add them. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:37, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I have been told that abridgements are certainly accepted, but that they are never added as variants. How to deal properly with them was incorporated when dealing with translations, which are made variants but the difference in language makes it possible to distinguish them from name/author variations. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:39, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: That's certainly true for audio versions/readings: here it is quite a regular case that they are abridged, so they should just be added with a note under the respective title. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:33, 18 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Abridged editions are included. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#How_does_the_ISFDB_deal_with_.22Portions_of_this_story_originally_appeared_in....22.3F FAQ says]:<br />
* If an individual story is rewritten or revised, then we create a Variant Title for it and add the nature of the changes, e.g. "expanded", "abridged" or "restored", in the Notes section. Please note that these conventions are likely to change in the foreseeable future as we beef up our software in this area. <br />
: The [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Feature:90155_Add_an_optional_%22nature_of_the_relationship%22_field_to_the_Make_Variant_screen original Feature Request to change the software] to display "relationships" between titles was created back in 2008, but it hasn't been implemented yet.<br />
: Of course, when dealing with drastically changed titles, e.g. novels reduced to excerpts or short stories expanded to novel length, we create separate title records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To the original question - abridgements are in. I am questioning the varianting advice. I also once noted the lack of documentation on abridgements specifically. The original place I was told not to variant abridgements was in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive46#Abridgements this] conversation. The argument was that variants were for title / author variations or translations as a special case due to limitations in the software. Only one moderator said so, but no one contradicted, so have been going by this since. There were [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_25#variant_or_independent_work.3F earlier] and [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Adaptations_and_Abridgements later] discussions (I doubt I found them all) with varying degrees of agreement but no resolution. <br />
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:: And the FAQ reference above was answering a question about portions of a story appearing earlier in a novel that is expanded or created from a series of shorter stories. The [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:MakeVariant HELP on variants] says at the beginning that they are only for title and author variations, but later talks about how to deal with translations (with a link to how-to details). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: [[Help:Screen:MakeVariant]] says:<br />
:::* Two title records are variants if they are in fact the same story, but have either a different title, or use alternate names for the author.<br />
::: Translations are effectively "the same story" for our purposes, but I agree that it's not made clear in the statement above. We should probably update it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: It sounds like abridgements should not be varianted. But there's no help on how to document the relationship to the original - be it in the Notes or a linking template. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 23:50, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::I'm following this closely since most audio abridgements are significantly shorter than their unabridged brethren (should they exist for comparison). Often 2-3 hours compared to 8+ hours. The source novel is often in the 270 page range. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:57, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:::: I would expect a version that contains only 25-33% of the original material to be considered a separate derivative work. Kind of like {{A|E. Nesbit}}'s juvenile adaptations of {{A|William Shakespeare}}'s works are listed as separate works with the word "(abridged)" appended to the end of the title: "A Midsummer Night's Dream (abridged)", "The Tempest (abridged)", etc. Except, of course, there would be no additional co-author. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:52, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::To me, this makes the most sense. If it's significantly abridged, it should be a separate work (for example, I think the abridged audio releases of ''{{T|7577|The Courtship of Princess Leia}}'' should be separate as they are only 3 hours as opposed to the {{P|983542|unabridged version}} of 14 hours (finally being released in January)). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::::::Based on this guidance, the title above has now been split into [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?7577 The Courtship of Princess Leia] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3258106 The Courtship of Princess Leia (abridged)]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Présence du Futur ==<br />
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Ex-editor Hauck entered some entries in this endless French series but only basic info. I came across a manual which I added as a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837420, although I have no idea if it contains anything useful, then I entered several missing bits of info for Gravité à la manque from Open Library, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5837421. I then came across a title with an actual copy, but rather than stumble my way through entering info from books in a language I'm not fluent in I'm just going to list this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22une+collection+d%27inedits+au+format+de+poche%22&sin=TXT&and%5B%5D=collection%3A%22inlibrary%22, so if anyone can find anything useful to enter from those they can do so. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:34, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Crash Override ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?659223; I added archived link and a few other things in a PENDING edit to the other book by the publisher, the novel The Secret. Publisher actually has no space between the 2 words in its name so I fixed that and then was going to check online to see if it was the same for this much later book but realized this probably shouldn't be here since it's not by a known author and it really has nothing to do with genre. So should it be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I was advised some time ago and it is my understanding that any works shortlisted for a genre award (in this case a Hugo) are considered in. This exception is called out in [[ISFDB:Policy|our policy page]] but only for online publications. Perhaps we should be more specific. Aside from that, my recollection from reading the book in 2018 is that it is chiefly about the Gamergate event which is tightly coupled with the Sad/Rabid Puppies movements. I don't recall how much Quinn went into the latter, but if at all, it would certainly qualify this as a book about speculative fiction. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:51, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::OK. It's PublicAffairs in Amazon look inside so I'm going to fix that so both books on ISFDB will be by the same publisher. EDIT: There's 1 archived copy which was uploaded in May, 2021 but wasn't added until January, 2023 (?!?) so I also added a link to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:14, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Napoleon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?31091; I added archived links to Minstrel Boy and ...Overhead and fixed formats to TP for both; publisher was also changed to Napoleon Publishing for those 2 and ...Yard because Napoleon & Company, as explained on the copyright pages, is a parent company and Publishing is the actual imprint. The problem now is the 2 e-book Gargoyle editions don't actually show a copyright page on Amazon and, more importantly, Time Thief's beautiful Napoleon cover is nowhere online and ISBN defaults to the Dundurn Press edition's less beautiful cover. Looking at Dundurn's Wiki page they bought Napoleon in 2011 which makes sense because Blogspot page linked in Napoleon's record on ISFDB ends in February, 2011, a month before their Time Thief edition was supposedly published. So maybe someone can say whether Time Thief Napoleon edition should get an unpublished date of 8888-88-88 and whether that and the 2 e-books should have their publisher changed to Napoleon Publishing just to keep everything together. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== John Allen ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186482; Likely 3 or 4 different authors on the same page in case anyone can find info to separate some or all of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:32, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:I split the entry into three. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:18, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Stateham Banners ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?3575; Archived copy uploaded in 2020 so I added a link in a PENDING edit; note about frontispiece is wrong as it is credited on copyright page (an editor of Canadian edition noted this correctly) so maybe one of the active editors (Willem, GlennMcG, Spacecow) can fix note so it says the same as Canadian edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:23, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Speedy In OZ ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?366452; Oz fans, a request. I saw a lot of Oz edits in the queue recently and discovered many of R.P. Thompson's books were reprinted in PB in the eighties. I added archived links to the 4 I found but Speedy has a missing cover and most online ones are of the weird $19.00 reprint that nobody seems to know much about; the archived cover sucks because it has 3 huge stickers on the bottom obscuring things and a cover on Biblio.com is shot too far away, has a Barbed Wire Books business card in front of it, and has some plastic holder or something at the bottom of it. So if anyone can find a clear and clean cover, can you upload it? Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 21 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Dread ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?22179; Year and subtitle (Allen, seen on sfpoetry.com) different than other ISFDB record; poem here, https://poetrynz.net/pdf/PNZ48.pdf, says Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Knock on Wood ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-04070-7+&type=ISBN; Cover says Vornholt; why is Friesner credited for the same book? EDIT: Also Witchopoly, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=0-671-02806-5&type=ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Deleted the two Friesner ones. All reliable sources show these two ISBNs as by Vornholt which matches cover. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:06, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Yesterday We Saw Mermaids ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55736; Cover is the Tor edition but it's on the Wiki so the Pan cover would need uploading to replace it; problem is I can't find it because all eBay copies are Tor. So either it's rare or vaporware. Help, if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:00, 25 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Finding forgotten horror story ==<br />
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Hi, all. I hope you all had merry Christmases (if you celebrate). <br />
Someone on Goodreads is trying to find a horror story he or she read in the '70s about gentle hand-shaped creatures who live in a forest near a town or village. But then several people are found strangled with hand-shaped bruises on their throats. (Spoilers ahead.) <br />
The creatures are rounded up and killed. But the killings continue, and the townspeople realize the creatures were all shaped like left hands, while the bruises on throats are from a right hand (or vice versa).<br />
Does this story sound familiar to anyone? Thanks! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 01:40, 26 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Sidgwick & Jackson Prices ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5843103; I was looking at the Science Fiction Specials (added a couple more links because a few of them were hiding on Archive.org using a title of one of the contents instead of the overall title) and also am adding links and other stuff to books from the publisher by the authors in the Specials. I've noticed their prices on the front flaps are a mess with some being old pre-decimal prices and others being stickered with decimal prices. In this Asimov case you can see a pre-decimal price under the sticker that looks like 35s to me but I can't find any copies online that show the flap. So if anyone knows what the original price was, thinks it should be cloned, etc. let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:29, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Silverberg and Neverness ==<br />
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:SFJuggler#The_Time_Travelers; Linking this here in case anyone else might own a copy of the Donald I. Fine edition of Neverness. Also, should we make the Silverberg thing a pub. series? There's got to be more than 2 books in it; Archive.org search isn't the most accurate and there could be books not archived that are part of the series. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I have the Donald I. Fine 1st hc edition of Zindell's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23681 Neverness]. It does state "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" on rear flap and also "RS/SF" on spine of dj. I have also discovered that Sturgeon's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?15623 Godbody] has the same features. Looks like a pub series to me, even if it didn't last very long and didn't have many books in it. I have Godbody so I will PV both these pubs and edit them to create and add the pub series. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:40, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Great, thanks! A search for the exact series title on Google only finds the ISFDB record for Godbody and my message on the SFJuggler board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Where the Southern Cross the Dog ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326635; Does anyone own the August 2002 issue of Locus? I added cover/interior artist and intro by S. R. Tem but I can't find the titles of the stories anywhere, 3 supposedly, and it was reviewed by Edward Bryant in that issue. Maybe he mentioned them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:05, 27 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Ah ha, I recently added a link to 40+ years' worth of microfilmed Locus issues on Archive.org and vaguely remembered that I had asked about an issue of Locus recently. I checked that 2002 issue and yes, all 3 stories were mentioned. The one original, "Black Angel Blues", doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere at all online (until now). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Siergiejew ==<br />
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https://readfrom.net/michael-aronovitz/364512-the_voices_in_our_heads.html; It's Marius Siergiejew in that link, no z in first name but also no "Noistromo", I checked Unlikely Entomology issue and it is Mariusz, so both should be variants assuming all the ones under Marius "Noistromo" actually have the correct name entered; now that the link above shows there's at least one with just Marius maybe that should become the parent after name is fixed and the nickname should be the variant. I added a Blogspot link to the Marius record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:47, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:Alternate name created. I would not consider that site reliable enough to change a verified pub. Unfortunately, the verifier is no longer active so we will have to wait for someone else to re-verify it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:58, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Webs of Time ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?54122; Does anyone think the replacement cover I used is better than the old one? Mod didn't agree. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 29 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Well, the overall quality (= colour likeness) seemed better with the amazon source, ''and'' I do assume that this source will be more stable than Fantlab (and presumably that's the line of thought Chris_J also tended towards). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 06:26, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::I guess; anyway, my replacement cover will still be in edit history so that's something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:53, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Fanni S. ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fanni+s&type=Name; Probably the same person, maybe entries under the first name really don't have the special "u" or maybe editors didn't enter it that way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:The three records with Suto all had Amazon Samples available which showed they should have been Sütő. Only one was verified and that verifier is showing as not active in several years. I made the changes. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:46, 30 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Pandora Effect ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?45062; I added Archive.org link in a PENDING edit, do any of the active PV think an August month should be added to dates as notes say? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Great Tales of Action and Adventure ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5846199; Cover question about this '67 10th printing I just added. It says Richard Powers on copyright page but Robert Shore on back, Powers credit possibly left over from earlier printings? Should Shore be entered instead? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 31 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:My copy doesn't have the credit to Shore on the back, but the cover is different than the Powers original. Seems like we should have a Richard Powers (in error) created as an alias to Shore. [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] ([[User talk:Taweiss|talk]]) 18:43, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Through the Budgerigar ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Top Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pachter ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Star Gors ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==<br />
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Barn Owl ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pat Frank Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Sue Robinson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Peter Goodfellow ==<br />
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== French Swastika ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== UK Omni ==<br />
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tiret-Bognet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-01-15 at 3pm EST ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Katerli ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Terry Venables ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Alchemy Magazine ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==<br />
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? ==<br />
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Late Mods ==<br />
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: I think there are two sides to this issue.<br />
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".<br />
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moll/Head Virgin Planet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== One Hundred Years of Science Fiction ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? [[User:Mellotronman|Mellotronman]] ([[User talk:Mellotronman|talk]]) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tom Palmer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lone Star Law ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The Note field says:<br />
:* Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.<br />
: Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Recording plagiarized work ==<br />
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A couple of days ago [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-19-24-all-these-pixels-are-someone-elses-fault/ File 770 reported] (item 5) that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3221864 "After the Flood" by John Kucera] was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks all! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570478 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3205023 Summer 1993]" and what the original title was. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up [https://eunoiareview.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/fanlight-and-ice/ this] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123001032/https://www.silverblade.net/tag/john-siepkes/ archive]), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: [https://web.archive.org/web/20230604133528/https://thewildword.com/poetry-john-kucera/ Wild Word], [https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html Lothlorien Poetry Journal] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004257/https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html archive]), [https://twitter.com/OneArtPoetry1/status/1747732242581876815 One Art Poetry on X], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230922115703/https://oneartpoetry.com/2023/09/11/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ One Art Poetry], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230530004119/https://www.fictionalcafe.com/spare-parts-poetry-by-john-kucera/ The Fictional Cafe], [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122101438/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2024/01/17/it-was-bound-to-happen-eventually/ Sparks of Calliope] (see also [https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004746/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2023/09/22/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ this page]), [https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 New Reader Magazine] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123005036/https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 archive]), [https://bsky.app/profile/wnwagner.bsky.social/post/3kj5gwyptla2o Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky], and I'll add more later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:<br />
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* word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers<br />
* more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works<br />
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The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4950 ''Casca'' series] were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.<br />
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Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/18v1d5e/attention_authors_of_rr_there_has_been_a_spree_of/ this episode over the Christmas holidays]. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bard II ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Galactic Central Images ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== German Playboy ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Brian Ames Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Merged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2148942 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK? ==<br />
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The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.<br />
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The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::I also agree. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help. <br />
::::: And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other. <br />
::::: If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.<br />
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:::::: It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.<br />
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:::::: If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::::: You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::::: Good point! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.<br />
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I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me. <br />
: I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.<br />
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:: However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:<br />
::* The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.<br />
:: This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?<br />
:: If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: OK, {{FR|1592}}, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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=== Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome ===<br />
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{{FR|1592}} has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Moondust ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? here] for more details. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to [https://www.gutenberg.org/help/copyright.html Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files], which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.<br />
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::::However, reading the copyright statement on the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page]:<br />
::::* This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase. <br />
:::: I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the [https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html "fair use" doctrine] which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::: Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.<br />
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:::::: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: I have started a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Linking_to_third_party_Web_pages_--_defining_.22legally_posted.22 Rules and Standards discussion] to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Reactor?!? ==<br />
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I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
: And the [https://reactormag.com/tor-com-to-become-reactor-debut-new-site-on-january-23rd/ announcement] and [https://reactormag.com/answering-your-questions-about-tor-coms-change-to-reactor/ Q&A] about it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:<br />
::* SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.<br />
:: So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Chinese Godzilla? ==<br />
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https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Magic German Cats ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ZOLTAR ==<br />
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Zoltar&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== verification email ==<br />
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I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? {{unsigned|Starman99}}<br />
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: I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_don.27t_receive_the_confirmation_email.3F discuss in the ISFDB FAQ]:<br />
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:* Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.<br />
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:* Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.<br />
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: Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ace Dates ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Berthon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I'm looking for a book title ==<br />
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Hello everyone,<br />
I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. {{Unsigned2|19:21, February 1, 2024| Firefighterbgrg }}<br />
:If no one here is able to help you, we have a [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|section in our FAQ]] that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Darrah Chavey ==<br />
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I learn via [https://news.ansible.uk/a439.html Ansible] today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Yes, indeed. There was a brief [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Darrah_Chavey.27s_Passing Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11] and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures" ==<br />
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Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that {{A|Gardner F. Fox}} published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic ''Strange Adventures'' #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".<br />
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The whole thing is available [https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html online], illustrations included. Should we treat ''Strange Adventures'' as a non-genre periodical and list this story? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the {{Series|Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol}} series that originally appeared in {{Series|Captain Marvel Adventures}} comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lost Ark Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Rise of the Silver Surfer ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea ==<br />
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https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Pranks ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Felix Kelly ==<br />
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I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Adventure of the Peerless Peer ==<br />
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Are there any objections to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11929 this] to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from {{A|Kim Newman}}'s ''Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles''. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Termush - convert to novella ==<br />
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Another recent reprint shows [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1443797 this one] as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== John Stanley ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Doolin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Uncorrected Proofs ==<br />
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5870146 this submission] to update {{P|29328|this record}}. I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added. More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents/Project Scope Policy|scope]]. The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public. Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope? This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted. If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the <i>announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")</i> part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Comparing this publication record with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3379 other, published, editions of the book], I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book. However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents. The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things. How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published? I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication. We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year." I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist. I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database. If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.<br />
:::::Further notes and suggestions:<br />
:::::1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.<br />
:::::2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.<br />
:::::3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.<br />
:::::4) I'm ambivalent about importing the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?950860 coverart record]. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.<br />
:::::5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above. I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof. I'll reject the held edit. Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== N. Carroll ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373877 Noel Carroll]. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name Here] is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Karen Simmons ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/04sAAOSw1Mdltkv~/s-l1600.jpg], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Wesso ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring ==<br />
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I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.<br />
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Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. {{Unsigned2|17:38, February 8, 2024| Martycohen36 }}<br />
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== Black Christmas ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Riddle of the Exodus ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from {{A|James D. Long}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from {{A|James D. Long}} as it is more than likely a different person. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mutant Chronicles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N. ==<br />
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I need to make several changes to the pub records for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126730 Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.]. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus1 Secondary Verifications ==<br />
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Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197293 David Brin / Sundiver]. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace/Archive15#David_Brin_.2F_Sundiver this explanation]. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".<br />
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The most recent one I have encountered is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."<br />
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So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.<br />
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However, if we do allow them then this Help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources Reference:Verification_Sources] needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:<br />
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a) The relevant fields for Locus1 should be changed from "All" to "Some" (or maybe "Most").<br />
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b) A note should be added to the page explaining Locus1 indirect listings and clarifying that the values in the matrix for Locus1 only apply to full listings.<br />
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I prefer solution b).<br />
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Opinions please. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?2 50,000 Locus1 verifications] and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.<br />
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: As far as cases like {{A|David Gerrold}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 Chess with a Dragon] go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.<br />
::I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of [[Reference:Verification Sources]]. Thanks for identifying this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Thank you. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Necronomicon in Sweden ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Garland Library of SF ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Lou J. Berger ==<br />
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The author has requested we change his canonical name from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186596 Lou J. Berger] to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878281 here]. Any objections? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Locus on Microfilm ==<br />
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I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Server maintenance 2024-02-18 at 11am EST ==<br />
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== Sword of the Samurai ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide.... I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have. Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material. Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Sounds good, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards ==<br />
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The current pre-release cover of {{A|Samantha Mills}}'s debut novel [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:<br />
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* [https://samtasticbooks.com/2024/02/17/rabbit-test-unwins-the-hugo/ “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo]: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.<br />
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This may not be an isolated occurrence since, as Samantha Mills wrote (among other things):<br />
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* On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on Genre Grapevine] and [https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ File770]. ... we also got a look at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCwKLMydCto6HvXvcqjR553DqrhTfBu/view the validation list itself], aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: ''not a single fiction winner'' (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.<br />
* There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”<br />
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From our perspective, this means that we will need to:<br />
* Update the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78890 “Rabbit Test” Award record] to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this award record] explains that {{A|Judy-Lynn del Rey}}'s posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband {{A|Lester del Rey}}.<br />
* Keep an eye on [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.<br />
* Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.<br />
* Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued [https://www.wsfs.org/2024/01/31/announcements-from-worldcon-intellectual-property/ a statement] censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.<br />
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Earlier today {{A|Adrian Tchaikovsky}} disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on [https://adriantchaikovsky.com/ his Web site]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78915 award record] has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think. If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.<br />
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::: For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:<br />
:::* Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided<br />
::: Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the [https://www.thehugoawards.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Hugo-Award-Stats-Final.pdf voting statistics] released [https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/2023-nominating-and-final-ballot-statistics-published/?ref=astrolabe.aidanmoher.com on 2024-01-20], there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot. I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Everything looks good, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Yes, indeed. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I've updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this] and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy-Lynn_del_Rey Wikipedia article]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kater-Bound ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles. All should be listed in my opinion. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Miriam Allen de Ford ==<br />
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Per the ''Spaces in Names'' subsection of [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as {{A|Miriam Allen deFord}}. However, we have a {{A|Miriam Allen de Ford}} alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).<br />
:::No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 {{unsigned|Debolestis}}<br />
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== Ruben De Anda ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I don't know. But [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107431 The Galaxy Primes] (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Steve Miller: RIP ==<br />
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For those who may not have seen an announcement, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214 Steve Miller], co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?418 Sharon Lee], posted [https://korval.com/2024/02/21/steven-richard-miller-1950-2024/ this obituary]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Last User Activity ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith? ==<br />
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One of my friends pointed me at [https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Oopsla/Oopsla10.pdf#view=Fit issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla], specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says:<br />
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Third goes to another brand-new author, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1254 Evelyn E. Smith] ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266764 Ermengarde Fiske].<br />
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As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be. Any objections to varianting these author records? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: This is now done. Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record. However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== J. Watson ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: See [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]] for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Tem Title ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Hole of the Pit ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Series sort order? ==<br />
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I was looking at a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2278 page for a series] and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The only order that the display software enforces is as you described above: all numbered sub-series are displayed first and the rest are displayed randomly. I think it would be fairly easy to display unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: (after edit conflict) A more thorough review discovered that Summary pages were already sorting unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. I have adjusted the software to do the same on Series pages. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::Since series tend to be written in order, displaying the unnumbered titles in chronological order may make more sense. Although, sub-series wouldn't have a date and extrapolating the date from the earliest contained title would be more complex. Perhaps, numbered items followed by unnumbered sub-series followed by everything else in chronological order. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: Could you please clarify what you mean by "items" in this case? Series may contain both title records and sub-series records. They use different, unrelated, numbering systems. For example, a series may contain 3 titles numbered "0.5", "1" and "2", as well as two sub-series numbered "1" and "2". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::I intended items to mean both title records amd sub-series records, either of which may be numbered. What I was suggesting is that within a series (parent), each numbered item would display based on the numbering. In your example, there would be a conflict as there are both titles numbered "1" and "2" and sub-series numbered "1" and "2". Ideally, we would never assert that both a title and a sub-series should occur first in the parent series. Clearly, numbering only applies within the parent series. I believe that for numbered "items", I am not suggesting any changes to how things currently work. I had suggested a chronological sort for the remaining items based on your now corrected statement that they were displayed randomly. Given that we're already sorting alphabetically, it's probably fine to leave things as they are, unless others think a chronological sort would be preferable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 28 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== BattleTech Universe ==<br />
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1991 BattleTech Universe] series and it's sub-series all list having an Issue Grid, which suggests they are Serials / Magazines. They look like books to me. Is it a mistake in the software or entry? Might the existence of one Serial in the series propagate? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:12, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yep - if there is one magazine series somewhere in the sub series inside of a bigger series, the whole set and any sunsets of it shows the grid links. It is how the software is built. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:00, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|842}}, "Extraneous 'View Issue Grid' links on series pages", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 29 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Database Backup ==<br />
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Can you please save the database with InnoDB utf8mb4 so accented and Chinese characters will show up correctly? As it now with MyISAM utf8, Иван Константинович Айвазовский shows up as &#1048;&#1074;&#1072;&#1085;&#1050;&#1086;&#1085;&#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1085;&#1090;&#1080;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1080;&#1095; &#1040;&#1081;&#1074;&#1072;&#1079;&#1086;&#1074;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081;. It makes it hard to work with the database and makes it a lot larger than it has to be. {{unsigned|Catpoolfan}}<br />
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: For historical reasons -- the ISFDB project started in 1995 -- ISFDB tables use "latin1_swedish_ci". You can see it if you run "SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, TABLE_COLLATION FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES" in MySQL. Non-Latin-1 Unicode characters are stored in the database as HTML entities. When you see "&#1081;" (i.e. "&#1081") displayed, that's because that's what's stored in the database.<br />
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: There are plans to migrate from HTML entities to native Unicode, but it will be a major project with a number of dependencies. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== I Stole You ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?60942+2017; A copy of Tripping... was recently uploaded so I added a link and the stories' numbers, there's also supposedly a copy of Ringman's collection but when I saw the red hardcover I knew that couldn't be right and it wasn't; it's a copy of some old romance novel by Jane Aiken Hodge. I checked all the usual sites but can't get contents page of TP so if anyone can or owns a copy fill in the page numbers if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mandarin ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905095; Is anyone familiar with Mandarin paperbacks who can say why ISBN on back cover doesn't match any other Mandarin PB on ISFDB which (almost) all start with 0-7493? This book's ISBN, 0-09, seems to have been used by Cresset per online searching but there is no mention of them anywhere in it; a couple of Cresset Editions books on ISFDB do have an ISBN which starts with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Donkerste Dag ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905146; Nico Richter has 1 credit on ISFDB for a German Neil Gaiman edition but here he's credited for design. Sheila Metzner is a famed artist and I don't know what Ortikol is so if anyone thinks any of them should be entered as cover artist they can do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Shadow Regions ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295434; The woman who ran the publisher whose imprint put out this anthology, Tammy Perron, apparently was a crook who didn't pay most of the authors or even give some of them copies which is detailed in the link from Absolute Write that I added some time ago. In September 2023 some mysterious person uploaded a copy on Archive.org and it was finally added a few weeks ago (I stumbled on it completely by accident) so I've added a link in a PENDING edit along with the price and the stories' numbers. Maybe it was one of the authors using their own copy because this seems a very rare book with WorldCat not finding any copies; there's only 1 sad review on Goodreads where one of the authors crows about having a story in it...little did he know. According to ISFDB only 3 of the 20 stories have been reprinted since it came out nearly two decades ago so if anyone was interested in reading it you should do so because you never know if old Tammy may crawl out of the woodwork to have it taken down. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Adam L. G. Nevill canonical name ==<br />
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I think it is time to swap the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?134040 here] to Adam L. G. Nevill. Any objections? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: We have 8 book-length works as by {{A|Adam Nevill}} and 8 book titles as by {{A|Adam L. G. Nevill}}. All books published over the last 5 years have appeared exclusively as by "Adam L. G. Nevill". SHORTFICTION: 8 as by "Adam Nevill" and 27 as by "Adam L. G. Nevill".<br />
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: Given the numbers and the timeline, I think it's fair to say that "Adam L. G. Nevill" is the most recognizable form of his name within the genre as of 2024. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:19, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Under-People ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3046564; https://archive.org/search?query=the-under-people&sort=-addeddate; No reason for this to be here, it's one of dozens of junk science "non-fiction" books by Norman/Steiger published back in the day. I think it should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:52, 4 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Collection contents question ==<br />
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When adding contents to a collection which is authored using a variant name, if there is no indication to the contrary, should all the content titles be attributed to the variant author name and then be made a variant of the canonical author name titles if they do not exist? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?804222 The Witching Hour]. The collection author is James Gunn. The copyright page shows the content copyrights as by James Gunn. The included content titles only exist as by the canonical name James E. Gunn. Should these be changed to being authored by James Gunn and then made into variants? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:28, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
: Yes. Remove the three fiction titles, add the three new titles and variant to the canonicals. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:57, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Done. Thanks.[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Hautala Covers ==<br />
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I was entering edits for Rick Hautala books, found Jacobus signature on Moon Walker so Tim Jacobus was entered as the artist; Little Brothers, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20465, has a name or initials on the lower right, can anyone find out who that is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== ISFDB Server downtime -- 2024-03-06 at 6pm ==<br />
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-03-06 between 6:00pm and 6:15pm EST. Both the database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:13, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Simulacrum ==<br />
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Tonight I accidentally ended up on the archived SpecFicWorld site which used to be a major hub of speculative fiction but seems to have entirely disappeared from the modern web (whatever you do, don't type specficworld.com on Google and click the link whose description is "Daftar Situs Agen Judi Slot Online Terpercaya Resmi 2023"; that will NOT lead you to what you're looking for). Only issue #9 of Simulacrum, edited and published by the guy who ran the site, Doyle Eldon Wilmoth, Jr., has an archived PDF link but while searching, as I usually do, for random text from an archived story on Google to try and find out if there are any modern sites that still include it I got one hit, the late Tanith Lee's site daughterofthenight.com, because that issue included a reprint of a story by her from Interzone Magazine. That led me to this, https://archive.org/details/@zatoichi01?query=simulacrum&sort=title, which, according to Galactic Central, is the entire 14-issue run. I rarely enter magazines but any self-moderators who don't have to wait for approval can probably do these quickly without much trouble since the contents are a mixture of reprints which will need importing and originals (or at least they're not on this site). There are many well-known authors and artists included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:48, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I have through issue 10 entered. I'll finish up with the remaining four later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:35, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've entered all 14 issues now. You can see them [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?72797 here]. I did not combine the years into editor series because there are only 14 issues so leaving them all separate makes it easier to get to them (one less click-through). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Neglected moderation ==<br />
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Last time I changed something in ISFDB it took days to get a single non-controversial change accepted with hundreds of pending changes. Now it takes weeks with thousands of pending changes. When looking a the recent changes I see lots of self acceptance and accepted automatic changes, but only little moderator activity.<br />
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Remembering that it takes at least 4 or 5 rounds to add all information for a translated book that amounts to waiting multiple months for a single book.<br />
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If you don't want contributors anymore then say so clearly! ATM I'd wonder if you find people sticking with ISFDB for a longer time with that situation.<br />
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To give you an indication how this should go: I added a new word to Wiktionary, it took 4 minutes for first reaction and 1:15 to reach the final entry.<br />
--[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 16:31, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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: Longer approval times have definitely been a problem lately. Currently we have 1976 pending submissions, 1137 of them by [[User:Username]] (many are straightforward additions of archive.org links to publication records), 124 by [[User:Fixer]] (a robot account) and the remaining 715 are by other editors.<br />
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: That said, the ISFDB editing process is very different from what Wikipedia and its offshoot projects use. The latter are much easier to edit, but the quality of the end product varies tremendously. I wrote/rewrote dozens of Wikipedia articles in the mid-2000s, but eventually concluded that trying to keep articles accurate and coherent was going to be prohibitively time-consuming. I occasionally peek to see what has happened to them and their current state is pretty bad. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks is full of confused nonsense.<br />
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: We added the ability to self-approve a few years ago and we are slowly expanding the number of editors who can do so. Hopefully it will help matters going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Well, my request to do so was simply ignored. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:10, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: Nominations require support from other editors/moderators before they can be approved. If a nomination doesn't gain enough support, it is not approved. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Which is an endless loop. Because moderators don't care I want self-moderation. But for that I need moderators to care which they don't. An unreachable goal. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:05, 23 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Heide Oberheide ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127989; I left a PV a note telling them that a T. Canty credit for Parke Godwin's novel Beloved Exile was actually by Oberheide so that will need fixing but another problem I found is that her page at The Paperback Palette says she was born in Canada in 1957, both very different than what ISFDB says. So does anyone know what the real info is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Found [https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/arts/heidi-oberheide.php this] and [https://www.arts.wa.gov/artist-collection/?request=record;id=2193;type=701 this], which both agree on 1943 and Germany and have enough differences that neither seems to be the source for the other. They both strike me as fairly authoritative, especially that first one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:23, 10 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Tales of Terror ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291626; I added a link to the back cover image on Bookscans in a PENDING edit and noticed there are some copies on eBay which show the first page, 5, with "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar" as a title, which means this shouldn't really be a novel but rather a collection of Poe stories adapted by Sudak. Does anyone own a copy who can verify the page numbers of the other stories so they can all be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Cover artist data entry rules updated ==<br />
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Please note that the "Artist" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] has been updated to reflect current practices. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:02, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Message ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1471825; Obscure author and publisher but not obscure enough that it didn't get a Chinese translation, https://archive.org/search?query=brockman-robin&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that; just don't title it The MASSAGE like the uploader did. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:37, 14 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== YouTube audiobooks in or out? ==<br />
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5852793 this submission] on hold because I'm unsure if YouTube audiobooks should be included here since they are generally not downloadable (instead being streamed). The [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|rules]] include audiobooks, but also exclude "[w]orks published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" (which is pretty much what a YouTube video is), and they say nothing about podcasts. Thoughts? Should this be a [[RS|Rules and standards]] discussion? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:42, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: They are out under the exclusion as they are not downloadable. However we need to extend the Audio-book section of the inclusion section to match the ebooks/electronic publication one above it a bit - especially around podcasts which are not considered magazines for example. So maybe starting a discussion to clarify what audio-materials we want to index is the best choice (while keeping that one on hold until we decide what we want to do) :). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:09, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Okay, moved it [[ISFDB:RS#Clarifying the Audiobooks entry|over there]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:33, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Barcodes with prices hiding in plain sight ==<br />
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A lot of printed books have prices on their back covers hiding in plain sight. If you look at a barcode on the back cover, next to the ISBN, usually over the smaller barcode next to the ISBN one, there is a number sequence - for example 51595 or 51699. That means $15.95 / $16.99 (5 is the code for $, the rest is the price). The first example is from a book I pulled from my shelf (not genre), the second is from [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0982095031 an Amazon book]. As back covers are very often visible in Amazon (separately or as part of Look Inside), that may help with adding prices (with an appropriate note) even when Amazon and other retailer have their own ideas on what the price may be (or at the very least it can serve as a confirmation for the Amazon price). It is not there for all books (90000 is a very common code up there) but for the books that have it, it is as good as the old printed prices. <br />
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I propose to add this tidbit of information to the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price Price field help]. Meanwhile, I am leaving it here for information :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:21, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Good idea to add this to the Help. I have sometimes used this for prices. You might like to expand the note to explain other currencies. The smaller 5 digit barcode is the supplementary section of the barcode and contains a EAN-5 code. The first of the five digits is a currency code. If the first digit is 9, that means the supplementary section does not contain price information. It's explained in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAN-5 this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:28, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:: Yep - we should add all the codes when we are adding the note to the help page. Thanks for the link to the Wiki page - I knew it was there, I did not think to look it up earlier today :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:41, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: I agree that adding a section about EAN-5 codes to [[Template:PublicationFields:Price]] would be useful. We could list the commonly used first digits:<br />
:::* 0 and 1 -- UK<br />
:::* 3 - Australia<br />
:::* 4 - New Zealand<br />
:::* 5 - US<br />
:::* 6 - Canada<br />
::: and explain special pseudo-price values, i.e. that "9999" means "100.00 or more" while "90000" means "no price given". We could then link to the Wikipedia article or an industry Web page for other scenarios. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Webzines to include? ==<br />
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Hello. I have two new pub submissions on hold as they pertain to new webzine entries. Do we want to include these?<br />
* Small World City: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776649], [https://smallworldcity.com/ website].<br />
* Kalpabishwa: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884972], [https://www.kalpabiswa.in/ website].<br />
Looking through the contents, I say we can include those. Not sure how long-lived these are going to be though... Comments/suggestions from other editors & moderators whether to include or not? (didn't look for past discussion where webzine inclusions were debated...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: Both produce issues and both are genre -zines. So they are eligible under the "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." rule. How long they survive is irrelevant - even if they produce a single issue, they are in. However, these records will need some massaging post approval :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:41, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:: Thought so. The help text says to post and query the editor community - we may want to update that and instead clarify that if a webzine has distinct issues, it is in by default? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 16:09, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::: Probably an oversight (we forgot it was there?) after we changed the ROA awhile back to include these. Which of the help pages? <br />
::: PS: Note that awhile back we even dropped the requirement for the webzine to be genre allowing non-genre ones to be added as any other non-genre periodical (with only genre contents indexed). So yep - a webzine with issues is always in under the genre magazine rules or the non-genre periodical ones. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:22, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Format Here] - see '''webzine''' in that section. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: Ah, the one place I did not look at. :) Yep - that needs an update. I will start a discussion so we can get the language crafted. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Formats_help_pages Here we go] - the proposed new language. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:26, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] has it as you mention above - we may want to add non-genre periodicals role there explicitly. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: We do not have them called out in the print periodicals section either but if you think we should clarify that across the board, I won't object. Let's finish the audio-formats discussion we are currently having about changes in the same section of the ROA over in R&S and then I will initiate a discussion about this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: As an aside, I must say that I couldn't find the ROA immediately - I think it is an important section of the rules. Shouldn't we be adding a link on the main help page? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: I know to look under Policy but you are right, it needs to be a lot more visible [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page here] - either as a sublink under the ISFDB Policy link or on its own in the same section. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::::I've added a specific link to it on [[Help:Contents]], which is found at the top of most help pages. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:18, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== ISFDB:Verification requests ==<br />
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The [[ISFDB:Verification requests]] board is not used much anymore. It seems [[ISFDB:Help desk]] and this board have pretty much supplanted it. Do we want to discontinue it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: How about we can turn it into a broader board instead: "Assistance needed/Project Assistance Required/Something along these lines" for example - when an editor starts a project and notices other things that need adding/fixing or finds a source that may be useful and is unable/unwilling to work through it, they can request assistance there. Looking at CS, about half of the posts there in the last couple of years are from that nature and they choke the actual discussion threads and make it very hard for people to notice that something was posted in the discussions. It will be the counter-part of the Help Desk - come to the Help Desk if you want help getting the work done and learning how to do it; come to this board to post a project that needs work but you cannot/don't want to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:59, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::I'd be fine with that. I agree this board has gotten rather full lately, making it hard to keep track of things. So maybe change the title to [[ISFDB:Assistance requests]] or something? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:11, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: I like the idea. "Assistance requests" may be a bit too narrow for what we are trying to define, but it's the closest that I can think of at the moment. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:46, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::: I like "Assistance Requests". If we ever come up with a better name, we can rename and forward. And we have the text under it to add a sentence that describes the scope better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:53, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::: "Help Wanted" ? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:47, 23 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: I think that there is potential for confusion between "Help desk" and "Help Wanted". Ideally, whatever name we come up with should clearly differentiate between the two boards. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 23 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::Maybe "Research Requests" or "Research Assistance"? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: I like "Research Assistance". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:13, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Jim/James Burns ==<br />
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I just added a link and did a few other things for the 33rd YBSF edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2012677, and searched for others with James Burns as cover artist; only 34th came up, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2209443, but as can be seen PV of TP and HC entered it differently. So maybe consensus about which is "better" should be reached and credits merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 27 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Lovecraft Collaborations Book ==<br />
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I was starting to add the audio book edition of {{T|2610309|this title}} and discovered that publisher has provided a copy of the pdf version of the book. While we don't have a record for the pdf (it has a different ISBN than the eBook), there are several discrepancies between it and our records. I also have questions other questions about how this title is reflected and while none of the publications are primarily verified, there have been several editors who have touched these records. I thought I'd reach out for comments before proceeding with changes.<br />
# We have the title as an ANTHOLOGY and list both the editor and Lovecraft. All the stories are credited to Lovecraft with various co-authors. Personally, I feel that these sorts of collection of collaborations are better typed as COLLECTION as was done with {{T|34634|this title}}.<br />
# The title page lists the credits as "By H.P. Lovecraft" over "Edited and Annotated by Finn J.D. John" in smaller type. We have both names in the author field. Since we have this as an ANTHOLOGY, this labels them both as "Editors". Lovecraft clearly didn't edit this book. As I feel this should be listed as a COLLECTION, I also feel that only Lovecraft should be listed in the author field. If the consensus is that it's an ANTHOLOGY, then we only list John.<br />
# The stories are listed with both Lovecraft and his co-author on their title pages, whereas we have them all listed by the collaborating author alone. So I intend to swap out which variant of these titles is included. I don't thin this is controversial.<br />
# There is a short essay before each section giving biographical details of each co-author. I intend to add these. While not signed, I think we can safely attribute them to John by virtue of his annotation credit.<br />
#The PDF lists 5 different formats each with their own ISBN including the "Interactive PDF". Should we add the PDF as a separate title record, or should the PDF ISBN be added in the notes for the {{P|765112|ebook}} edition? I'll also note, that my understanding is that we do list page numbers for pdfs whereas we do not for ebooks.<br />
# I'm fairly comfortable that these changes should apply to the 2018 publications based on the 2018 pdf. I'm less certain whether I should make changes to the 2017 edition, or the 2019 omnibus, i.e should we assume the story credits and biographical essays are present in the other editions not listed in the pdf?<br />
# I assume adding a note about the PDF being included with the audio book is sufficient rather than duplicating the contents showing the story exists twice (audio and text).<br />
I'd appreciate other's thoughts on these questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 28 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:BFRCLNLSBH2020.jpg&diff=682855File:BFRCLNLSBH2020.jpg2024-03-28T01:44:17Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=By Force Alone
|Edition=Macmillan Audio 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=BFRCLNLSBH2020
|Publisher=Macmillan Audio
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=By Force Alone<br />
|Edition=Macmillan Audio 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=BFRCLNLSBH2020<br />
|Publisher=Macmillan Audio<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:DDLDCTNVWV2020.jpg&diff=682854File:DDLDCTNVWV2020.jpg2024-03-28T01:32:13Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=A Deadly Education
|Edition=Random House Audio 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=DDLDCTNVWV2020
|Publisher=Random House Audio
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=A Deadly Education<br />
|Edition=Random House Audio 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=DDLDCTNVWV2020<br />
|Publisher=Random House Audio<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THCTWBCMDQ2020.jpg&diff=682853File:THCTWBCMDQ2020.jpg2024-03-28T01:27:16Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=The City We Became
|Edition=Hachette Audio 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=THCTWBCMDQ2020
|Publisher=Hachette Audio
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The City We Became<br />
|Edition=Hachette Audio 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THCTWBCMDQ2020<br />
|Publisher=Hachette Audio<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THTRBLWTHL2020.jpg&diff=682851File:THTRBLWTHL2020.jpg2024-03-28T01:17:07Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=The Trouble with Peace
|Edition=Orbit (US) 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=THTRBLWTHL2020
|Publisher=Orbit (US)
|Artist=Sam Weber
|ArtistId=118024
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Trouble with Peace<br />
|Edition=Orbit (US) 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THTRBLWTHL2020<br />
|Publisher=Orbit (US)<br />
|Artist=Sam Weber<br />
|ArtistId=118024<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:BLLSTCDWKS2020.jpg&diff=682847File:BLLSTCDWKS2020.jpg2024-03-27T23:40:15Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=Ballistic
|Edition=Brilliance Audio 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=BLLSTCDWKS2020
|Publisher=Brilliance Audio
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Ballistic<br />
|Edition=Brilliance Audio 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=BLLSTCDWKS2020<br />
|Publisher=Brilliance Audio<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:LLRNDTHMNK2020.jpg&diff=682846File:LLRNDTHMNK2020.jpg2024-03-27T23:33:12Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=All Around the Moon
|Edition=Bookstream Audiobooks 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=LLRNDTHMNK2020
|Publisher=Bookstream Audiobooks
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=All Around the Moon<br />
|Edition=Bookstream Audiobooks 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=LLRNDTHMNK2020<br />
|Publisher=Bookstream Audiobooks<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=682843User talk:Rtrace2024-03-27T23:11:05Z<p>Rtrace: /* An Informal History of the Hugos */</p>
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! style="background: #66CCFF; border: 2px solid; text-align: left; vertical-align: top; "| <br />
<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
|}<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:I think that both changes are essentially fine. I can convert the first essay to an interview, or you can work with the submitter on how that is accomplished if you would prefer. For the second edit, it was a little confusing as the title page has "Art and Additional Comments by Lorena Azpiri" which did not make it clear that she was also interviewed. I would recommend cloning the interview for the Spanish version. There is not a separate Spanish title listed, so maybe make the Spanish a variant of the English. Although, the interview itself is printed side by side with Spanish on the left, so I could go either way with which title should be canonical. Let me know if you'd like me to work on these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:27, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Since you have the pub, I will unhold these and let you work them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Annie and Jack in London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1969250<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922621<br />
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hiya Ron i didnt ask you about this first because your pv was transient. I can scan the pages and get them to you if that would help. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:05, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:I still have the book handy. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Reading footnote 7, makes it clear that "Little Ella" is the name of the mirror reversed reproduction by Currier and Ives of "My First Sermon" which is the illustration appearing on page 171 (it is also identified as such in {{P|558606|this later edition}} of the Annotated Alice). The other Millais painting, "My Second Sermon" is described as the same girl sleeping, which does not fit either illustration. Therefore, the remaining illustration on page 172 has to be the one from ''Little Annie and Jack in London''. Let me know if you have a different interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the current title is correct. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::sorry Ron but i still think i'm right on this one. The bottom pic is the millais painting "MY First Sermon" https://victorianweb.org/painting/millais/paintings/43.html the top pic is "Little Ella" https://www.americanantiquarian.org/514163.htm Its note number 4 in my book not No 7 so maybe the notes are different? Or even the pics are different? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:13, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::OK, our books have different illustrations. It does appear that what mine label as "My First Sermon" is in fact "Little Ella", though the note does not make this clear. However, the second illustration in the QPB edition is neither of the images you linked. I'm going to reject your edit and update the title record to change "My First Sermon" to "Little Ella". For your book, if it has both the Millais painting and the Currier and Ives version, you should adjust the altered title to the correct page and add "My First Sermon". Let me know if that makes sense. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::righto mate - its a bit misleadin in my book as well as he gives the impression that the first pic is millais and the one underneath is the mirror reversed copy when its actually the other way round - he was taking the looking glass theme too seriously. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:33, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Ron while were on it does your book have a picture not listed in the contents thats in mine. Its in the tweedledum chapter just after the Tenniel picture with the rattle on the ground. its a tenniel drawing from "Punch" of a boy on a gate with a gun and waving a rattle. also in the wool and water chapter next to the tenniel drawing of alice and the sheep shopkeeper theres a photo of "Alice's shop" in oxford not in the toc. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:51, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, both the Punch drawing and the photo of the shop are present. I hadn't bothered with the drawing as there is no good way of giving it a title. I omitted the photo as it is uncredited and I don't usually include photos. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::i put in a edit a few days ago adding the tenniel drawing to my book and its just been signed off. I called it "Punch Cartoon". i'm happy to take it out to keep the different editions as consistent as possible. I left the shop one out as i figured it might be because it was a photo. cheers Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:07, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::No need to remove or delete the new drawing. I was just explaining why I hadn't originally added that item. I'll go ahead and import it in my copies. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:30, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
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Hi. There may be an error in the contents of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283627 publication] you've PV'd. Could you check & chime in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Faustus#Lort_of_the_Flies_review here] with what you've got in your copy? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:26, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== An Informal History of the Hugos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672377<br />
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Ron Ive just pv'd this and theres a couple of walton's reviews in my copy not in the db contents. my book has a review of "A Canticle for Leibowitz" on p69 and a review of "Dying Inside" on p214. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:14, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz -<br />
:I don't know how those were missed. Please feel free to add them, or let me know if you'd like me to do so. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::i'm happy to do it mate but i'm not 100% sure about the second one. thats the only review that doesnt have a surtitle (right word?) so should that just go down as a review and not a review and an essay? Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:43, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::For the Silverberg review, you only need to add the review without a separate essay. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::Ron one of the reviews isnt showing up as hypertext, is that something ive done - I cant see anything wrong with how it was added? Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:24, 27 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::I can explain what happened. When a new review title record is created, the software attempts to match the reviewed title and author to an existing record in the database. In this case, you entered the review author as "Walter M. Miller". {{T|2283|A Canticle for Leibowitz}} has only ever been published as by "Walter M. Miller''', Jr.'''" Thus the software couldn't match your new review title to an existing title record. I would recommend updating the review author in the {{T|3297174|review title record}} to "Walter M. Miller, Jr.". Unfortunately, the software only attempts to link the review when it is first created, so that won't cause the hyperlink to appear. To make that happen there is another step. From the review title, you'll want to use the "Link Review to Title" tool. You'll need the title number for A Canticle for Leibowitz which is 2283. Once that edit is approved, the link will appear. Hope this helps, but let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:10, 27 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:MDNGHTSCHL0000.jpg&diff=682771File:MDNGHTSCHL0000.jpg2024-03-27T11:16:18Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
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|Title=The Relentless Moon
|Edition=Audible Studios 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=THRLNTLSSH2020
|Publisher=Audible Studios
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Relentless Moon<br />
|Edition=Audible Studios 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THRLNTLSSH2020<br />
|Publisher=Audible Studios<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THLSTMPRXC2020.jpg&diff=682764File:THLSTMPRXC2020.jpg2024-03-27T01:07:13Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=The Last Emperox
|Edition=Audible Studios 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=THLSTMPRXC2020
|Publisher=Audible Studios
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Last Emperox<br />
|Edition=Audible Studios 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THLSTMPRXC2020<br />
|Publisher=Audible Studios<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:NCMRPNTMBS2020.jpg&diff=682763File:NCMRPNTMBS2020.jpg2024-03-27T01:01:44Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=Once More Upon a Time
|Edition=Audible Studios 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=NCMRPNTMBS2020
|Publisher=Audible Studios
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Once More Upon a Time<br />
|Edition=Audible Studios 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=NCMRPNTMBS2020<br />
|Publisher=Audible Studios<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=682762User talk:Rtrace2024-03-27T01:00:10Z<p>Rtrace: /* An Informal History of the Hugos */</p>
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<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
|}<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
<br />
When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
<br />
Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
<br />
Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
<br />
Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
<br />
Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
<br />
I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
<br />
Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
<br />
You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
<br />
BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
<br />
I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
<br />
Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
<br />
Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:I think that both changes are essentially fine. I can convert the first essay to an interview, or you can work with the submitter on how that is accomplished if you would prefer. For the second edit, it was a little confusing as the title page has "Art and Additional Comments by Lorena Azpiri" which did not make it clear that she was also interviewed. I would recommend cloning the interview for the Spanish version. There is not a separate Spanish title listed, so maybe make the Spanish a variant of the English. Although, the interview itself is printed side by side with Spanish on the left, so I could go either way with which title should be canonical. Let me know if you'd like me to work on these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:27, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Since you have the pub, I will unhold these and let you work them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Annie and Jack in London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1969250<br />
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hiya Ron i didnt ask you about this first because your pv was transient. I can scan the pages and get them to you if that would help. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:05, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:I still have the book handy. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Reading footnote 7, makes it clear that "Little Ella" is the name of the mirror reversed reproduction by Currier and Ives of "My First Sermon" which is the illustration appearing on page 171 (it is also identified as such in {{P|558606|this later edition}} of the Annotated Alice). The other Millais painting, "My Second Sermon" is described as the same girl sleeping, which does not fit either illustration. Therefore, the remaining illustration on page 172 has to be the one from ''Little Annie and Jack in London''. Let me know if you have a different interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the current title is correct. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::sorry Ron but i still think i'm right on this one. The bottom pic is the millais painting "MY First Sermon" https://victorianweb.org/painting/millais/paintings/43.html the top pic is "Little Ella" https://www.americanantiquarian.org/514163.htm Its note number 4 in my book not No 7 so maybe the notes are different? Or even the pics are different? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:13, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::OK, our books have different illustrations. It does appear that what mine label as "My First Sermon" is in fact "Little Ella", though the note does not make this clear. However, the second illustration in the QPB edition is neither of the images you linked. I'm going to reject your edit and update the title record to change "My First Sermon" to "Little Ella". For your book, if it has both the Millais painting and the Currier and Ives version, you should adjust the altered title to the correct page and add "My First Sermon". Let me know if that makes sense. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::righto mate - its a bit misleadin in my book as well as he gives the impression that the first pic is millais and the one underneath is the mirror reversed copy when its actually the other way round - he was taking the looking glass theme too seriously. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:33, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Ron while were on it does your book have a picture not listed in the contents thats in mine. Its in the tweedledum chapter just after the Tenniel picture with the rattle on the ground. its a tenniel drawing from "Punch" of a boy on a gate with a gun and waving a rattle. also in the wool and water chapter next to the tenniel drawing of alice and the sheep shopkeeper theres a photo of "Alice's shop" in oxford not in the toc. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:51, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, both the Punch drawing and the photo of the shop are present. I hadn't bothered with the drawing as there is no good way of giving it a title. I omitted the photo as it is uncredited and I don't usually include photos. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::i put in a edit a few days ago adding the tenniel drawing to my book and its just been signed off. I called it "Punch Cartoon". i'm happy to take it out to keep the different editions as consistent as possible. I left the shop one out as i figured it might be because it was a photo. cheers Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:07, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::No need to remove or delete the new drawing. I was just explaining why I hadn't originally added that item. I'll go ahead and import it in my copies. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:30, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
<br />
Hi. There may be an error in the contents of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283627 publication] you've PV'd. Could you check & chime in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Faustus#Lort_of_the_Flies_review here] with what you've got in your copy? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:26, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== An Informal History of the Hugos ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672377<br />
<br />
Ron Ive just pv'd this and theres a couple of walton's reviews in my copy not in the db contents. my book has a review of "A Canticle for Leibowitz" on p69 and a review of "Dying Inside" on p214. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:14, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz -<br />
:I don't know how those were missed. Please feel free to add them, or let me know if you'd like me to do so. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::i'm happy to do it mate but i'm not 100% sure about the second one. thats the only review that doesnt have a surtitle (right word?) so should that just go down as a review and not a review and an essay? Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:43, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::For the Silverberg review, you only need to add the review without a separate essay. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 26 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:FRGTNTHNGL2020.jpg&diff=682758File:FRGTNTHNGL2020.jpg2024-03-26T23:20:19Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=Forget Nothing
|Edition=Audible Originals 2020 digital audio download
|Pub=FRGTNTHNGL2020
|Publisher=Audible Originals
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Forget Nothing<br />
|Edition=Audible Originals 2020 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=FRGTNTHNGL2020<br />
|Publisher=Audible Originals<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THCHRNCLSJ2019.jpg&diff=682757File:THCHRNCLSJ2019.jpg2024-03-26T23:07:00Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=The Chronicles of Narnia
|Edition=HarperAudio 2019 digital audio download
|Pub=THCHRNCLSJ2019
|Publisher=HarperAudio
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Chronicles of Narnia<br />
|Edition=HarperAudio 2019 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THCHRNCLSJ2019<br />
|Publisher=HarperAudio<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THMSTRSFDC2012.jpg&diff=682756File:THMSTRSFDC2012.jpg2024-03-26T22:51:04Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=The Mysteries of Udolpho
|Edition=Audible Inc. 2012 digital audio download
|Pub=THMSTRSFDC2012
|Publisher=Audible Inc.
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Mysteries of Udolpho<br />
|Edition=Audible Inc. 2012 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THMSTRSFDC2012<br />
|Publisher=Audible Inc.<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:PRBLFTHTLC2008.jpg&diff=682754File:PRBLFTHTLC2008.jpg2024-03-26T22:36:27Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=Parable of the Talents
|Edition=Recorded Books 2008 digital audio download
|Pub=PRBLFTHTLC2008
|Publisher=Recorded Books
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Parable of the Talents<br />
|Edition=Recorded Books 2008 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=PRBLFTHTLC2008<br />
|Publisher=Recorded Books<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=682753User talk:Rtrace2024-03-26T22:32:46Z<p>Rtrace: /* An Informal History of the Hugos */</p>
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<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
<br />
When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
<br />
Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
<br />
Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
<br />
Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
<br />
Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
<br />
I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
<br />
Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
<br />
You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
<br />
BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
<br />
I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
<br />
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:I think that both changes are essentially fine. I can convert the first essay to an interview, or you can work with the submitter on how that is accomplished if you would prefer. For the second edit, it was a little confusing as the title page has "Art and Additional Comments by Lorena Azpiri" which did not make it clear that she was also interviewed. I would recommend cloning the interview for the Spanish version. There is not a separate Spanish title listed, so maybe make the Spanish a variant of the English. Although, the interview itself is printed side by side with Spanish on the left, so I could go either way with which title should be canonical. Let me know if you'd like me to work on these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:27, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Since you have the pub, I will unhold these and let you work them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Annie and Jack in London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1969250<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922621<br />
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hiya Ron i didnt ask you about this first because your pv was transient. I can scan the pages and get them to you if that would help. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:05, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:I still have the book handy. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Reading footnote 7, makes it clear that "Little Ella" is the name of the mirror reversed reproduction by Currier and Ives of "My First Sermon" which is the illustration appearing on page 171 (it is also identified as such in {{P|558606|this later edition}} of the Annotated Alice). The other Millais painting, "My Second Sermon" is described as the same girl sleeping, which does not fit either illustration. Therefore, the remaining illustration on page 172 has to be the one from ''Little Annie and Jack in London''. Let me know if you have a different interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the current title is correct. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::sorry Ron but i still think i'm right on this one. The bottom pic is the millais painting "MY First Sermon" https://victorianweb.org/painting/millais/paintings/43.html the top pic is "Little Ella" https://www.americanantiquarian.org/514163.htm Its note number 4 in my book not No 7 so maybe the notes are different? Or even the pics are different? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:13, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::OK, our books have different illustrations. It does appear that what mine label as "My First Sermon" is in fact "Little Ella", though the note does not make this clear. However, the second illustration in the QPB edition is neither of the images you linked. I'm going to reject your edit and update the title record to change "My First Sermon" to "Little Ella". For your book, if it has both the Millais painting and the Currier and Ives version, you should adjust the altered title to the correct page and add "My First Sermon". Let me know if that makes sense. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::righto mate - its a bit misleadin in my book as well as he gives the impression that the first pic is millais and the one underneath is the mirror reversed copy when its actually the other way round - he was taking the looking glass theme too seriously. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:33, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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(undented)<br />
Ron while were on it does your book have a picture not listed in the contents thats in mine. Its in the tweedledum chapter just after the Tenniel picture with the rattle on the ground. its a tenniel drawing from "Punch" of a boy on a gate with a gun and waving a rattle. also in the wool and water chapter next to the tenniel drawing of alice and the sheep shopkeeper theres a photo of "Alice's shop" in oxford not in the toc. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:51, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, both the Punch drawing and the photo of the shop are present. I hadn't bothered with the drawing as there is no good way of giving it a title. I omitted the photo as it is uncredited and I don't usually include photos. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::i put in a edit a few days ago adding the tenniel drawing to my book and its just been signed off. I called it "Punch Cartoon". i'm happy to take it out to keep the different editions as consistent as possible. I left the shop one out as i figured it might be because it was a photo. cheers Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:07, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::No need to remove or delete the new drawing. I was just explaining why I hadn't originally added that item. I'll go ahead and import it in my copies. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:30, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
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Hi. There may be an error in the contents of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283627 publication] you've PV'd. Could you check & chime in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Faustus#Lort_of_the_Flies_review here] with what you've got in your copy? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:26, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== An Informal History of the Hugos ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?672377<br />
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Ron Ive just pv'd this and theres a couple of walton's reviews in my copy not in the db contents. my book has a review of "A Canticle for Leibowitz" on p69 and a review of "Dying Inside" on p214. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:14, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz -<br />
:I don't know how those were missed. Please feel free to add them, or let me know if you'd like me to do so. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 26 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:WTRSHPDWNR2019.jpg&diff=682740File:WTRSHPDWNR2019.jpg2024-03-26T11:24:20Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=Watership Down
|Edition=Blackstone Audio 2019 digital audio download
|Pub=WTRSHPDWNR2019
|Publisher=Blackstone Audio
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Watership Down<br />
|Edition=Blackstone Audio 2019 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=WTRSHPDWNR2019<br />
|Publisher=Blackstone Audio<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THMDWCHCCB0000.jpg&diff=682739File:THMDWCHCCB0000.jpg2024-03-26T11:10:26Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=The Midwich Cuckoos
|Edition=Audible Studios Unknown year digital audio download
|Pub=THMDWCHCCB0000
|Publisher=Audible Studios
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Midwich Cuckoos<br />
|Edition=Audible Studios Unknown year digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THMDWCHCCB0000<br />
|Publisher=Audible Studios<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THSSHWLSTF2019.jpg&diff=682738File:THSSHWLSTF2019.jpg2024-03-26T10:46:33Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=This Is How You Lose the Time War
|Edition=Simon & Schuster Audio 2019 digital audio download
|Pub=THSSHWLSTF2019
|Publisher=Simon & Schuster Audio
|Artist=Greg Stadnyk
|ArtistId=304464
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=This Is How You Lose the Time War<br />
|Edition=Simon & Schuster Audio 2019 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THSSHWLSTF2019<br />
|Publisher=Simon & Schuster Audio<br />
|Artist=Greg Stadnyk<br />
|ArtistId=304464<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:TBTGHTFFRF2019.jpg&diff=682737File:TBTGHTFFRF2019.jpg2024-03-26T10:36:54Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=To Be Taught, If Fortunate
|Edition=HarperAudio 2019 digital audio download
|Pub=TBTGHTFFRF2019
|Publisher=HarperAudio
|Artist=Dave Seeley
|ArtistId=37244
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=To Be Taught, If Fortunate<br />
|Edition=HarperAudio 2019 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=TBTGHTFFRF2019<br />
|Publisher=HarperAudio<br />
|Artist=Dave Seeley<br />
|ArtistId=37244<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=682736User talk:Rtrace2024-03-26T10:30:38Z<p>Rtrace: /* Little Annie and Jack in London */</p>
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<center>PLEASE NOTE:</center><br />
If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:I think that both changes are essentially fine. I can convert the first essay to an interview, or you can work with the submitter on how that is accomplished if you would prefer. For the second edit, it was a little confusing as the title page has "Art and Additional Comments by Lorena Azpiri" which did not make it clear that she was also interviewed. I would recommend cloning the interview for the Spanish version. There is not a separate Spanish title listed, so maybe make the Spanish a variant of the English. Although, the interview itself is printed side by side with Spanish on the left, so I could go either way with which title should be canonical. Let me know if you'd like me to work on these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:27, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Since you have the pub, I will unhold these and let you work them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Annie and Jack in London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1969250<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922621<br />
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hiya Ron i didnt ask you about this first because your pv was transient. I can scan the pages and get them to you if that would help. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:05, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:I still have the book handy. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Reading footnote 7, makes it clear that "Little Ella" is the name of the mirror reversed reproduction by Currier and Ives of "My First Sermon" which is the illustration appearing on page 171 (it is also identified as such in {{P|558606|this later edition}} of the Annotated Alice). The other Millais painting, "My Second Sermon" is described as the same girl sleeping, which does not fit either illustration. Therefore, the remaining illustration on page 172 has to be the one from ''Little Annie and Jack in London''. Let me know if you have a different interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the current title is correct. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::sorry Ron but i still think i'm right on this one. The bottom pic is the millais painting "MY First Sermon" https://victorianweb.org/painting/millais/paintings/43.html the top pic is "Little Ella" https://www.americanantiquarian.org/514163.htm Its note number 4 in my book not No 7 so maybe the notes are different? Or even the pics are different? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:13, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::OK, our books have different illustrations. It does appear that what mine label as "My First Sermon" is in fact "Little Ella", though the note does not make this clear. However, the second illustration in the QPB edition is neither of the images you linked. I'm going to reject your edit and update the title record to change "My First Sermon" to "Little Ella". For your book, if it has both the Millais painting and the Currier and Ives version, you should adjust the altered title to the correct page and add "My First Sermon". Let me know if that makes sense. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::righto mate - its a bit misleadin in my book as well as he gives the impression that the first pic is millais and the one underneath is the mirror reversed copy when its actually the other way round - he was taking the looking glass theme too seriously. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:33, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Ron while were on it does your book have a picture not listed in the contents thats in mine. Its in the tweedledum chapter just after the Tenniel picture with the rattle on the ground. its a tenniel drawing from "Punch" of a boy on a gate with a gun and waving a rattle. also in the wool and water chapter next to the tenniel drawing of alice and the sheep shopkeeper theres a photo of "Alice's shop" in oxford not in the toc. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:51, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, both the Punch drawing and the photo of the shop are present. I hadn't bothered with the drawing as there is no good way of giving it a title. I omitted the photo as it is uncredited and I don't usually include photos. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::i put in a edit a few days ago adding the tenniel drawing to my book and its just been signed off. I called it "Punch Cartoon". i'm happy to take it out to keep the different editions as consistent as possible. I left the shop one out as i figured it might be because it was a photo. cheers Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:07, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::No need to remove or delete the new drawing. I was just explaining why I hadn't originally added that item. I'll go ahead and import it in my copies. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:30, 26 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
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Hi. There may be an error in the contents of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283627 publication] you've PV'd. Could you check & chime in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Faustus#Lort_of_the_Flies_review here] with what you've got in your copy? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:26, 25 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=682728User talk:Rtrace2024-03-26T02:03:22Z<p>Rtrace: /* Little Annie and Jack in London */</p>
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:I think that both changes are essentially fine. I can convert the first essay to an interview, or you can work with the submitter on how that is accomplished if you would prefer. For the second edit, it was a little confusing as the title page has "Art and Additional Comments by Lorena Azpiri" which did not make it clear that she was also interviewed. I would recommend cloning the interview for the Spanish version. There is not a separate Spanish title listed, so maybe make the Spanish a variant of the English. Although, the interview itself is printed side by side with Spanish on the left, so I could go either way with which title should be canonical. Let me know if you'd like me to work on these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:27, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Since you have the pub, I will unhold these and let you work them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Annie and Jack in London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1969250<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922621<br />
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hiya Ron i didnt ask you about this first because your pv was transient. I can scan the pages and get them to you if that would help. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:05, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:I still have the book handy. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Reading footnote 7, makes it clear that "Little Ella" is the name of the mirror reversed reproduction by Currier and Ives of "My First Sermon" which is the illustration appearing on page 171 (it is also identified as such in {{P|558606|this later edition}} of the Annotated Alice). The other Millais painting, "My Second Sermon" is described as the same girl sleeping, which does not fit either illustration. Therefore, the remaining illustration on page 172 has to be the one from ''Little Annie and Jack in London''. Let me know if you have a different interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the current title is correct. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::sorry Ron but i still think i'm right on this one. The bottom pic is the millais painting "MY First Sermon" https://victorianweb.org/painting/millais/paintings/43.html the top pic is "Little Ella" https://www.americanantiquarian.org/514163.htm Its note number 4 in my book not No 7 so maybe the notes are different? Or even the pics are different? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:13, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::OK, our books have different illustrations. It does appear that what mine label as "My First Sermon" is in fact "Little Ella", though the note does not make this clear. However, the second illustration in the QPB edition is neither of the images you linked. I'm going to reject your edit and update the title record to change "My First Sermon" to "Little Ella". For your book, if it has both the Millais painting and the Currier and Ives version, you should adjust the altered title to the correct page and add "My First Sermon". Let me know if that makes sense. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::righto mate - its a bit misleadin in my book as well as he gives the impression that the first pic is millais and the one underneath is the mirror reversed copy when its actually the other way round - he was taking the looking glass theme too seriously. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:33, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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Ron while were on it does your book have a picture not listed in the contents thats in mine. Its in the tweedledum chapter just after the Tenniel picture with the rattle on the ground. its a tenniel drawing from "Punch" of a boy on a gate with a gun and waving a rattle. also in the wool and water chapter next to the tenniel drawing of alice and the sheep shopkeeper theres a photo of "Alice's shop" in oxford not in the toc. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:51, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Yes, both the Punch drawing and the photo of the shop are present. I hadn't bothered with the drawing as there is no good way of giving it a title. I omitted the photo as it is uncredited and I don't usually include photos. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 22:03, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
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Hi. There may be an error in the contents of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283627 publication] you've PV'd. Could you check & chime in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Faustus#Lort_of_the_Flies_review here] with what you've got in your copy? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:26, 25 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THDPMNJKGZ2019.jpg&diff=682726File:THDPMNJKGZ2019.jpg2024-03-26T01:50:51Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=The Deep
|Edition=Simon & Schuster Audio 2019 ebook
|Pub=THDPMNJKGZ2019
|Publisher=Simon & Schuster Audio
|Artist=Micah Epstein
|ArtistId=248557
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Deep<br />
|Edition=Simon & Schuster Audio 2019 ebook<br />
|Pub=THDPMNJKGZ2019<br />
|Publisher=Simon & Schuster Audio<br />
|Artist=Micah Epstein<br />
|ArtistId=248557<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:PRBLFTHSWJ0000.jpg&diff=682725File:PRBLFTHSWJ0000.jpg2024-03-26T01:42:46Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=Parable of the Sower
|Edition=Recorded Books Unknown year digital audio download
|Pub=PRBLFTHSWJ0000
|Publisher=Recorded Books
|Artist=John Jude Palencar
|ArtistId=10256
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Parable of the Sower<br />
|Edition=Recorded Books Unknown year digital audio download<br />
|Pub=PRBLFTHSWJ0000<br />
|Publisher=Recorded Books<br />
|Artist=John Jude Palencar<br />
|ArtistId=10256<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=682723User talk:Rtrace2024-03-26T01:25:43Z<p>Rtrace: /* Little Annie and Jack in London */</p>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:I think that both changes are essentially fine. I can convert the first essay to an interview, or you can work with the submitter on how that is accomplished if you would prefer. For the second edit, it was a little confusing as the title page has "Art and Additional Comments by Lorena Azpiri" which did not make it clear that she was also interviewed. I would recommend cloning the interview for the Spanish version. There is not a separate Spanish title listed, so maybe make the Spanish a variant of the English. Although, the interview itself is printed side by side with Spanish on the left, so I could go either way with which title should be canonical. Let me know if you'd like me to work on these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:27, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Since you have the pub, I will unhold these and let you work them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Annie and Jack in London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1969250<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922621<br />
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hiya Ron i didnt ask you about this first because your pv was transient. I can scan the pages and get them to you if that would help. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:05, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:I still have the book handy. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Reading footnote 7, makes it clear that "Little Ella" is the name of the mirror reversed reproduction by Currier and Ives of "My First Sermon" which is the illustration appearing on page 171 (it is also identified as such in {{P|558606|this later edition}} of the Annotated Alice). The other Millais painting, "My Second Sermon" is described as the same girl sleeping, which does not fit either illustration. Therefore, the remaining illustration on page 172 has to be the one from ''Little Annie and Jack in London''. Let me know if you have a different interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the current title is correct. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::sorry Ron but i still think i'm right on this one. The bottom pic is the millais painting "MY First Sermon" https://victorianweb.org/painting/millais/paintings/43.html the top pic is "Little Ella" https://www.americanantiquarian.org/514163.htm Its note number 4 in my book not No 7 so maybe the notes are different? Or even the pics are different? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:13, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::OK, our books have different illustrations. It does appear that what mine label as "My First Sermon" is in fact "Little Ella", though the note does not make this clear. However, the second illustration in the QPB edition is neither of the images you linked. I'm going to reject your edit and update the title record to change "My First Sermon" to "Little Ella". For your book, if it has both the Millais painting and the Currier and Ives version, you should adjust the altered title to the correct page and add "My First Sermon". Let me know if that makes sense. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:25, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
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Hi. There may be an error in the contents of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283627 publication] you've PV'd. Could you check & chime in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Faustus#Lort_of_the_Flies_review here] with what you've got in your copy? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:26, 25 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:FTFLLJQVJC2010.jpg&diff=682720File:FTFLLJQVJC2010.jpg2024-03-26T01:04:08Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=Footfall
|Edition=Audible Frontiers 2010 digital audio download
|Pub=FTFLLJQVJC2010
|Publisher=Audible Frontiers
|Artist=Michael Whelan
|ArtistId=1804
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Footfall<br />
|Edition=Audible Frontiers 2010 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=FTFLLJQVJC2010<br />
|Publisher=Audible Frontiers<br />
|Artist=Michael Whelan<br />
|ArtistId=1804<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:FTFLLJNGTB2010.jpg&diff=682719File:FTFLLJNGTB2010.jpg2024-03-26T00:57:55Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=Footfall
|Edition=Audible Studios 2010 digital audio download
|Pub=FTFLLJNGTB2010
|Publisher=Audible Studios
|Artist=Unknown
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Footfall<br />
|Edition=Audible Studios 2010 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=FTFLLJNGTB2010<br />
|Publisher=Audible Studios<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:THTNTHSNDG2019.jpg&diff=682717File:THTNTHSNDG2019.jpg2024-03-26T00:45:59Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
|Title=The Ten Thousand Doors of January
|Edition=Hachette Audio 2019 digital audio download
|Pub=THTNTHSNDG2019
|Publisher=Hachette Audio
|Artist=Lisa Marie Pompilio
|ArtistId=178227
|Source=Scanned by User:Rtrace}}</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Ten Thousand Doors of January<br />
|Edition=Hachette Audio 2019 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THTNTHSNDG2019<br />
|Publisher=Hachette Audio<br />
|Artist=Lisa Marie Pompilio<br />
|ArtistId=178227<br />
|Source=Scanned by [[User:Rtrace]]}}</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Faustus&diff=682716User talk:Faustus2024-03-26T00:38:42Z<p>Rtrace: /* Lort of the Flies review */</p>
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<div>{{welcome}}[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 00:11, 21 May 2022 (EDT)<br />
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== HTML tags ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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When adding notes in html format, make sure that the ul/li tags are properly arranged: I just approved a few of your later submissions and they are all missing the leading ul tag. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:00, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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To Annie<br />
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I'm sorry for all those mistakes. You're probably not used to dealing with someone as bewildered as myself. I didn't know I'd even been adding notes in hmtl format never mind jumbling up the togs whatever they are. <br />
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As I don't know my arse from my elbow I am going to knock the entries on the head before an irate mod boots me into touch.<br />
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Ps this is a lovely site and the mods and contributors do a very nice job.<br />
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All the best from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:05, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
: You are doing very well actually - these are normal mistakes when you are not used to the formatting and the way things work around here. You don’t need to use HTML but when an existing note already has html, it may confuse people when adding an extra note. Think of ul tags as brackets - if you open one, it needs to get closed (and if a closing one is there, you need an opening one at the top). The “make me an entry in this tag” li does not need a closing partner. So when you make lists, the tags go ul li li li /ul. If you want to nest lists inside of lists (you had a few of these), they will go ul li li ul li li /ul li /ul for example (with as many li as lines you want). Hope that helps a bit. You also can click edit on a publication where you like the formatting of the notes and copy and change the note from in there. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:16, 23 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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To Annie<br />
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Cheers for the ncouragement. You have the patience of a saint. I think I've got an small inkling about some of the stuff I was doing wrong. Having a shufti at the way the experts do it sounds like a good idea. I will print off this page and staple it to the curtains so I can keep an eye on it.<br />
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All the best from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:23, 29 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Dr Faustus: The A- and B- Texts (1604, 1616) ==<br />
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Hello again, <br />
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A book of two stories make a collection and not a chapbook unless the second story a bonus short story, poem or short serial installment, but only if the publication's title page lists only the main title and the main title's author(s) (See the help page [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:PubType here]. So [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?926824 this one] is a collection - both are listed after all :) In addition, when you have a generic title such as introduction, foreword and so on, always add the name of the title it belongs to in brackets. That way when you open someone's page, you won't end up seeing 100 essays called Introduction. I fixed both things in this one - let me know if you have any questions. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:05, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Mission of Gravity ==<br />
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About your note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5511389 here]: Clone our record and create yours with your ISBN. I think that our record is a faulty mixed up record from Amazon but some more digging needs to be done just in case it is a different printing or something weird like that so just add your book and if you want, once yours is added, add a note in this one explaining the existence of the other record. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:10, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Gunslinger ==<br />
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A few notes about [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?302039 this one]:<br />
:* We have an import function. Look at the left menu when you have a publication open. <br />
:* When adding pages, keep in mind that all of them go in order. In this case you had IX|1 and XIX|2 but also 1 in the stories. The result was that the site orders IX|1 and 1 as duplicates (so either can end up first depending on the default order), then the other of them and then XIX|2. In such cases the easiest way is to use |0.1, |0.2 and so on - this will put them at the top of the list :) <br />
Let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:16, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== The Fabulous Clipjoint ==<br />
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When you add a page number such as "1|2", people tend to get very confused. So instead, use decimals :) i becomes i|0.1 and then the 1 can stand on its own. See how I did it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925553 here]. I also fixed the introduction (as mentioned above). <br />
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PS: About your note: No need to apologize - people learn things by doing them multiple times :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:20, 22 December 2022 (EST)<br />
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== Cover Image Uploads ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add an licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 15:11, 15 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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Got it, cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:02, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Deletion of May's The Golden Torc ==<br />
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Hi Faustus<br />
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I'm holding your edit to delete Julian May's '' [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?798722 The Golden Torc]''. There are a couple of problems with this edit. The most important one is that you didn't check with the active primary verifier (i.e. me) before attempting to delete the publication. Any substantive edit made to a publication that has active primary verifiers should be discussed with the verifiers before the edit is submitted. The second issue with this submission is why you chose this record, of the two supposed duplicates to delete. This record was created by me on 2020-10-05 by cloning one of the other records. At that time, the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310906 other publication record] did not specify a printing number. This can be seen examining the edit history. The notes at the time I created the first publication only included "Month from amazon.uk." I suspect this record was originally meant to indicate the 1st Pan printing. It includes the British Library number and we know that the first Pan printing was also 1982 from the note in the 4th printing. [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] verified the second record in 2015 but did not expand the notes at that time. They ultimately added notes to the second record indicating that it was for the 4th printing on 2022-04-18. So now we have two records indicating a 4th Pan printing and no records for printings 1-3. There's a couple of questions that need to be answered here. Do we know which printing number the July 1982 date from Amazon.uk (which now reports Jan 1, 1982 for this ISBN) refers to? If it refers to the 4th printing, how do we know this? The month is not listed in the book. Depending on that, we can decide who should move their verification to the other record. I'm going to have a discussion with Mavmaramis so we can figure out how to proceed with this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 24 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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To Ron -<br />
Cheers m8 I'll do that in future.<br />
All the best from Gaz<br />
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== White Jenna ==<br />
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Hi Faustus -<br />
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I'm holding your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5556461 submission] to clone Yolen's ''White Jenna'' to create a record for the second printing. I have a couple of questions. Your notes include "First mass market edition August 1990. [This Publication Record]." but also include "Second printing by number line." You also have the date as "1990-08-00". I think you should probably remove "[This Publication Record]". While I'm certain that "First mass market edition August 1990" appears on the copyright page, and technically this would be a second printing of the first edition, I think that "[This Publication Record]" will confuse people. My other concern is how you arrive at the date. Is there a notice that the second printing was made August, 1990? If not, we probably can't determine the actual date and it should be entered as "0000-00-00". Please let me know. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:55, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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Spot on there mate it should be unknown date for 2nd printing. Cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:33, 25 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:I've approved the edit. You noted that you were planning to add a cover scan. You can make the changes to the date and the note in the same edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:20, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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To Ron<br />
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ok mate I'll have a bash at that next time. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:43, 26 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Star Trek Log Three ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5550925 this submission]. Would you mind double-checking the ISBN? You submitted '0552100459' which is invalid. Might it be '0552100455', which is a valid Corgi ISBN? Also, are you planing on providing a primary verification since you own the book? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:37, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:yes mate the number on the spine its 0 552 10045 9. On the copyright page it says 0 5521 10045 9 ie 11 digits. Does primary verification mean sending in the pictures with the numbers on? Cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:19, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
:Ive just seen the number is on the cover as well. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:29, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: To verify, go to the publication. Select 'Verify This Pub' from the 'Editing Tools:' navigation bar. In the upper section of the 'Verify Publication' page, the 'Permanent verification' should have the radio button marked. Select 'verify'. Your name will now show on the publication page under Primary Verifications. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:53, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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got it, All the best from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:08, 30 January 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: I updated your verified publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?425852 Star Trek Log Three] by correcting the ISBN field. My source was WorldCat, notice I added another external id. I put my source note in the notes to moderator because I thought you would want to add it to pub notes in your own words. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:53, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::ok mate ive done it Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:36, 8 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== More Than Human ==<br />
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When you uploaded a new image to the previously linked [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:BKTG17812.jpg Wiki page], it immediately replaced the prior image. Therefore [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5571231 this submission] is not necessary and I rejected it. Let me know if you are satisfied with the result and I'll delete the old image to save space. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:34, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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Sorry mate didn't know that. Yeah go ahead with that. Cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:03, 2 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower ==<br />
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Don't forget to verify [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561 The Dark Tower VII: The Dark Tower] since the source of your edit is the book. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:02, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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: Done it mate. Should I be doing that for every edit that a mod has ok'd as they're all from my own books. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:37, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: You should always provide a verification when the source of your edit is the actual book. You can also verify a publication record that you haven't edited if it agrees with your copy. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Getting_Started:Verify_a_Publication Read this]. Notice how we use colons to indent posts to a thread. It makes the threads much easier to follow. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:03, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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::: Got it mate every days a school day. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:08, 6 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Uploading images ==<br />
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Gaz, I approved your submission adding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934145 The Best of Saki]. You have been uploading images and then including the links in your new publication submissions. Let me make a suggestion. Create the publication first. After approval, use the 'Upload new cover scan' on the newly created publication. This will automatically create the license tag with the publication information and fair use rationale. I have been adding the tags as I approve your submissions. See the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:A05224fe5857f2f5967336e7851444341587343_v5.jpg tag information] below the cover image?<br />
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[https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_upload_images_to_the_ISFDB_wiki Here] is the related help. You have been using procedure 2 but only the first few steps. I'm asking you to use procedure 1. It will be easier for you and save time for the reviewer. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 21:01, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:sorry mate I'll do that in future. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:06, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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:: No worries. Apologies for the bad link showing you the tag for 'The Best of Saki', it's fixed now. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 22:12, 7 February 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Best SF of the Year 15 ==<br />
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Regarding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5599190 this submission]: I mistakenly hit approve on this one. The note has been moved from the pub note field to the {{T|1011588|title note field}}. This is because the note is applicable to both publications under that title and is relevant to the variant record. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 16:08, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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cheers mate for putting that right. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 16:42, 5 March 2023 (EST)<br />
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== The Quantum Thief ==<br />
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Hi Faustus -<br />
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I approved your addition of {{P|939736|The Quantum Thief}}. Your notes indicate both the first and the fourth printing. I expect you meant the fourth based on the date you supplied. Could you please take a look at the notes and adjust as necessary. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:59, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:cheers mate, done it [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:25, 14 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== John Gray o' Middleholm ==<br />
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I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607725 this submission] adding the date of original publication. I massaged the note so it's clear to a casual observer where you got the information. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3156707 Here] is the updated title record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:20, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: cheers m8 [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:34, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Matheson - I Am Legend ==<br />
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Hello Faustus, you uploaded a cover scan for {{P|109741|this publication}} so I'm assuming you have that book. If so, could you please confirm that there is no Introduction or Afterword in it. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 18:16, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: no mate not a sausage [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:38, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Great, no sausages! Thanks. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:17, 18 March 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Revenger's Tragedy ==<br />
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Hi, and apologies that it has taken so long for someone to get to your [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5586428 The Revenger's Tragedy] submission. I have placed it on hold. Can you explain what makes this speculative fiction? Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:39, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: hiya mate its non-supernatural horror if i remember right. The work's already in there under Cyril Tourneur but this book is under middletons name and most of the boffins think that he was the sick pervert responsible [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:: Oh, I missed that. Ok, then following precedent, I accepted it. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?945014 here]. But a chapbook needs to have a shortfiction content record for the actual story (an ISFDB chapbook is sort of like a one-story collection, although it's permitted to have supplementary material such as essay). So I added one and put it on p. 3 -- you'll need to correct that if it's a bad guess. With that much supplementary material, chapbook may be a bit of a stretch, but I don't have a better idea. I also made the Middleton-credited shortfiction title a variant of the Tourneur-credited title. We might want to swap those around at some point, but it doesn't seem clear that Middleton is the definitively accepted author, at least not yet. Feel free to take issue with anything I did and/or to raise discussions of any points on the community portal or moderator notice board. I won't be insulted! Thanks. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:25, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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::: cheers mate Ive changed that page number and everything else looks spot on. Ill remember that chapbook content info for next time [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:05, 4 April 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Paperview WitW ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5657835; Added the art you mentioned in your notes plus the cover by the same artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:28, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:cheers mate i thought I'd knocked that one off back in january [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:48, 7 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Clean, Bright and Slightly Oiled ==<br />
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Hi Faustus. If this is one long piece of nonfiction than the nonfiction titles(chapter headings) will have to be moved into notes if there just chapter headings. If I make the title and publication both nonfiction it will not display correctly. What I can do is change the pub & title back to nonfiction & move all the chapter headings into notes, this will be quicker as a moderator. If this is what you want let me know. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 22:57, 19 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: Hiya Mate can you not just delete them all as theyr just chapter names. I tried to do at first but it wasnt allowed. If not then im happy to go with your suggestion. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:30, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
::Best just put the chapter headings in notes. I'll do it now since I'll be away next week. Thanks.13:31, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::cheers mate [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:50, 20 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Other Worlds ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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I rejected the creation of the variant - if it is approved but a book is not added, the title can be deleted based on the overnight reports (the report does not get worked daily - so sometimes books survive). The better order is to first add the book you want to add and then variant it where it belongs. I made the variant in this case once I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?952212 the book]. Let me know if you have any questions and thanks for adding the book. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:39, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:cheers i had a inkling there was summat not rite about that [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:16, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== The Monk ==<br />
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When adding page number to one element, you usually need to add pages to all of them (visible or hidden - the hidden are done by hiding them behind a | (so |10 for example). See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261873 this book] now - the novel which does not have a page number floats to the top :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:42, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:Im well flummoxed now Annie theres no poles or numbers in the page number box for the novel. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:30, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:: That's the point. If there are none, they go to the top of the list. You need to add a number to send it after the Introduction in the contents list. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::cheers you got us there in the end! [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:53, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
:::: Things like 1|2 tend to be very confusing to editors and someone down the road will change that to something weird. So instead, use a decimal for the pages before 1 :) See how I did it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?261873 here]: vii|0.1. Achieves the same but without confusion. Thanks for updating it!<br />
:::: PS: If you own the book, you may want to verify it -- the link is on the left. That tells the next editor or visitor who sees the record that the book was updated from the actual book - and links you to the record so if there are questions about the book, people know who to ask. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:06, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:::::thank you i think I have now officially explored every permutation of page numbering cock ups! [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Raising the Stones ==<br />
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Hello. I got hold of a copy of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?357747 this]. Rear flap has "Jacket illustration by Mark Posen" - obviously a misprint for Mike (or Mick). Just a heads up incase you wanted to check your copy has the same. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 11:28, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:mine's the same mate well spotted. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:34, 9 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Knock Three-One-Two cover artist ==<br />
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I imported the 1960 Barye Phillips cover art title into the Bruin Books [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?936171 Knock Three-One-Two] and added the note: "The cover reprints the Bantam edition's, with the Baryé signature removed." [[User:MOHearn|MOHearn]] ([[User talk:MOHearn|talk]]) 11:11, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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: cheers mate [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:52, 15 June 2023 (EDT)<br />
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== Moore - Bring the Jubilee ==<br />
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Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding the publisher Orion to your {{P|936263|PV here}}. Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 16:02, 18 July 2023 (EDT)<br />
: rightho mate<br />
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== Atomised ==<br />
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Hi Faustus<br />
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I'm about to approve your edit adding Houellebecq's ''Atomised''. Regarding your question in the moderator notes, it is true that we can't make a title a variant of another variant. What you want to do here is to make your new title a variant of the parent title of the other variant, i.e. {{P|1454209|this title}}. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:46, 5 October 2023 (EDT)<br />
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:cheers Ron will do it later on<br />
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== Piped page number sort ==<br />
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Hi Faustus -<br />
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I've noticed that you have submitted a number of edits where you are adding a piped sort number to the page number field. e.g. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5813186 here]. That isn't necessary when the normal order of the page numbers will have things in the correct order, as it would have in the example given. Your edits will still display things in the correct order, but, aside from being unnecessary, could cause problems if new content needed to be added later, i.e. adding something between the two items you added in the example would require adjusting the existing item's page numbers. The piped sorts are useful when we have multiple items on the same page (1|1.1, 1|1.2), or when items appear in a region of unnumbered paged or when the page numbers restart in the middle of a book. I'm not going to correct the ones you've added, but you should refrain from using the piped sorts, except when it is necessary. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:14, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:cheers ron the reason i did it was i thought it would actually make it easier if new stuff was added as if that was out of order they would all have to be piped anyway and if they were already piped then you could lube up the new one and slip it in with a decimal point number if itwas between n and n+1. Prob not making much sense but the upshot is ill follow your instructions as your the gaffer and you know what your talking about unlike yours truly. cheers mate from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:56, 7 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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::I'm still seeing your edits added after the above discussion with piped sorts. The thing is that when the content has page numbers, there is no need for the piped sort operators. The software will put the items in page number order. You only need to add piped sorts if the items being added have no page numbers, or if the page numbering is restarted in the publication record. Neither of these apply to the magazines you've been working on. Going forward, please refrain from adding the piped sorts (unless it is actually needed). Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:10, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::ok anything with a page number dont pipe, got that. the other bit about "if the page numbering is restarted in the publication record" havent a scooby what that means. best just to refrain totally presumably. Do you want me to delete the ones wating to be checked? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:39, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::An example of a publication that restarts the numbering would be {{P|718096|this}} which has 3 volumes each numbered individually. Thus the contents in the first volume just have regular numbers without any piped sort. For the pages in volume 2, piped sorts are used to add 2000 to the page number i.e. page 3 in volume 2 is entered as "3|2003". Thus everything in volume 2 appears after the contents in volume 1, but also shows the page number as it appears in the book. No need to delete your pending edits. With the piped sorts, things do appear in the correct order. It just makes future edits more difficult as any content inserted has to take the piped sort into account, which would not ordinarily need to be done. The existing (and pending) piped sorts can be removed the next time those records are touched (if ever). Thanks and let me know if I can explain further. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:02, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: cheers mate appreciate you explaining in detail this for us non-boffins. Ill have a good study of that before risking it again. "If in doubt leave the piping out" will be my watchword henceforth. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:16, 4 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Steel Magic ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?935566; All other credits on ISFDB for the artist are as Robin Jacques including several for other editions of this book with the same art. Is it really Jaques in your copy in which case a variant is needed or is it Jacques in which case a merge is needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 19 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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:cheers mate - schoolboy mistake missing the C off, thanks for spotting it -you couldnt give us some more tips on how to fix it could you i don't want to make a horlix of it and get the mods twitchy [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:25, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::Ask on the moderator board, they'll help you, it'll be good to learn in case you have to do it again sometime. Also, I'd advise you to do so without the fake Cockney slang or whatever that is you're doing because people are having trouble figuring out what you're saying. I think it's horlicks, not horlix. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:16, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::crikey your a little charmer no wonder your so popular with the mods. Says a lot about you that you didnt want to help with the edit but only too happy to lecture us on posting style. Incidentally born and bred in the durham coalfield (fake cockney lol)<br />
::::Mods would better be able to explain the specifics of variants and merges than I would as a non-mod. I've fixed thousands and thousands of other editors' edits, both current ones and those who left long ago, so I have no problem helping. The problem is I can barely understand what you're saying and, as with one of your other responses to another editor that I saw recently, https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hifrommike65#The_Year.27s_Best_Science_Fiction:_Volume_2, your rude reply calling them "lazy" and such caused them to remove their reply to you which is why your name is now in that message twice with nothing in between. You may really be from the UK but many of us are not so you should try to answer in plain English so we can understand you. You should also use proper capitalization, grammar, punctuation, and remember to sign your replies as you forgot to do for your last one. As I've said before, popularity doesn't matter; this isn't high school. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:41, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
:::::that chap deleted his post cos it was embarrasing. he read my polite request and then waited a fortnight before replying by saying he had 17 edits (gosh so many!) waiting for approval and he wasnt going to lift a finger until they were signed off. after i told him to stop behaving like a spoilt schoolboy he deleted his post and his pv. A back seat moderator whingeing about the backlog - remind you of anyone? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:24, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
::::::I tried to help you twice. Do whatever you want. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 20 December 2023 (EST)<br />
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== Milton! Thou Shouldst Be Living at This Hour ==<br />
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I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5844809 this submission] because I had already made the same edit when I came across your first submission regarding this title. That's also why you see a "forced" rejection for your edit removing the incorrect title. Your original note to mod didn't spur me to look at the submission queue for these two subsequent edits. Sorry. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:08, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:cheers mate thanks for explaining - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:16, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Variants and flags ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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When changing one of the flags (juvenile, non-genre, novelization, graphic) on a title such as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1554868 here] and the title has variants and/or parents, they all need to be changed manually. We do not do it automatically so that we do not propagate a mistake when one is made - that allows a second set of eyes while setting the remainder. I fixed the parent on this one but wanted to drop you a note for the future. <br />
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PS: Horror can be particularly hard to figure out until someone reads the book - and when someone adds from a list, we get a few non-genres. Thanks for updating this one. You may want to add a summary (you could not because you were updating the variant) or a note up on the parent level so people know why it is non-genre. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:38, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:cheers annie I Should have noticed that. I had a go at a synopsis once for a novel on LT and it ended up nearly as long as the book... Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 16:51, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Been there, done that with the summary. If not a summary, a note similar to what you had in the moderator note or with some other details to help understand why the flag was set. Also PV-ing (if you had not yet) the copy that you read is also useful so it is clear who can be asked for details eventually. Neither of these are mandatory of course - if you rather not, we are good. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::ive done a quick note Annie hope thats sufficinet Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:17, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Oh theres another edit (5886294) with the pub details and I was going to pv it after that was signed off chhers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:27, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::: Approved both and edited the note a bit - technically being in the book does not make it eligible - it explains why it is added but the reason we keep it and mark is non-genre as opposed to just deleting it is because the author has a metric ton of genre stories (or so it seems) - so can be considered above threshold (if you squint really hard anyway). Keeping the "too close to call until read" in the DB makes sense but if you check the Rules of Acquisition, they are actually out unless they squeeze in under the threshold rule or the "published in a genre magazine" rule.<br />
:::: PS: I know you have a lot of pending - we had been somewhat short handed in the last months. I will see if I can get your queue cleared a bit tomorrow. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:38, 12 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::got it. might be an idea to have a default setting of "undetermined" alongside genre and non-genre cos of the stacks of stories like that chaps currently labelled as genre which aren't because nobodys read them. annie mate dont worry about my pending pile I dont want to jump any queues - I partiularly don't want to be associated with certain elements here who whine about the backlog {{unsigned|Faustus}}<br />
::::::I "whine" about the backlog because most of the time the majority of the queue is made up of edits by me. The only time it's gone down to just a few hundred edits in recent memory is when I went on a "vacation" for a few weeks last fall and the mods were able to sort of catch up. It's easy to wait around for the mods to approve your edits when you only have a few handfuls of them pending but when, as of tonight, I have 1,600 of the 2,200 current edits in the queue, nearly 3 times all the other editors on this site combined, it starts to get annoying. But no worries, mate, checking the Top Contributors section, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi, I see that I currently sit at 68,000+ edits approved (which doesn't include my first few weeks here when I would send in a lot of info but didn't know I was supposed to enter it myself so mods made their own edits based off of my info until one of them set me straight and I started doing my own, nor does it include the several hundred edits at least made based off of my messages on the boards to other editors who got credit because I had no interest in making those particular edits myself) in just a little over 3 years of editing which, as I've probably mentioned before, makes me the most prolific active living non-mod/non-self-approver editor in the nearly 20 years this site has been open to the public, not counting Fixer because that's a robot. The only one who may surpass me one day if they remain active is Swfritter but even that is unlikely because they don't seem to do much editing anymore. Not bad for someone with no bibliographic credentials at all who just stumbled on the fact, after using this site for years, that they let anyone edit here and started doing it as a way to pass the time productively during the pandemic. Probably the main reason I've kept forcing myself to keep going despite the backlogs and the unpleasantness from others here is because I know that after I'm gone for good it's very unlikely that anyone will take up the slack and do nearly as many edits as I do, specifically for older print books which are what I mostly edit since the majority of the editors, both new ones and ones who have been here for years, seem to not care much about those anymore and spend their time editing e-books and other ephemeral formats even though there is clearly a huge need for more editors working on print books judging by the fact that I have edited here nearly every day for more than 3 years and never run out of things to edit. I can only imagine how many thousands of edits more I would have done if I had ever campaigned to be a self-moderator and could approve the less complicated edits myself immediately without having to wait for mods to come back from vacation/get out of hospital/finish unpacking after a move/etc. but that would entail the kind of embarrassing sucking-up in order to get that status that I've seen way too many times and I'm not willing to do that. Many of the people who have been approved clearly should not have been based on the quality of their editing. I am a bit heartened by the fact that, after our recent chat, you do seem to have dropped some of the Brit slang and your messages are now mostly comprehensible to us Yanks but I still must remind you that if you ever hope to be a self-approver one day, which I'm guessing you do, you really need to improve your language skills. In your last message there are several words that should be capitalized, lots of missing punctuation, and at least one misspelled word. You also forgot to sign your message which you've been told to do but keep forgetting. If this was some social media site or something it wouldn't matter but the whole point of ISFDB is entering information accurately and I've had to do way too many edits cleaning up other editors' shoddy notes or wrong info they entered into a record. I may not always follow/understand the rules here about how exactly to enter things because many of the people who have been here much longer than me don't always, either, since so much of it is unclear, but one thing I know is I rarely see anyone correcting one of my edits for language-related reasons because I actually take pride in entering things properly and take the time to look over my edits after they're done to make sure everything looks right. OK, I think I've said more than enough so I'll sign off now. God Save the King. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:36, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Re: "language skills", some ISFDB editors use their smartphones to respond to Wiki messages. Unfortunately, smartphones still make typing long sentences challenging and their "autocorrect" features leave much to be desired. One of these days the technology will (hopefully) get there.<br />
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::::::: Re: becoming a self-approver, we have a list of [[Moderator Qualifications]], but at this time we don't have a list of self-approver qualifications. Presumably it's a subset of Moderator Qualifications, but the specifics haven't been spelled out yet. Nominations are currently handled on a case-by-case basis. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:05, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::: Re: working on "older print books" vs. "editing e-books", different editors have different priorities and it's hard to tell which activities are more important. For example, back when the ISFDB database was converted from 1.0 to 2.0 (2004-2006), I had to make tens of thousands of edits to delete non-genre and non-fiction entries like comics, RPG games and other items which an early generation of ISFDB robots had carelessly added to the database before we had a moderation system in place. Was it more important than adding new content? It's hard to tell since both types of edits were important.<br />
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::::::: At the time, ebooks were still new and -- we thought -- too ephemeral to include in a bibliographic database. Over time it became clear that ebooks were here to stay and they slowly grew to be an important part of the field. The same things then happened with downloadable audio books and other formats. We had to constantly adjust our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents.2FProject_Scope_Policy|Project Scope Policy]] to reflect the changes and decide what was included and what was excluded, e.g. we decided that "readings, but not dramatizations" were included. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:32, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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(unindent) The DB is slanted towards inclusion - if we are not sure it is ours, we add it and then deal with it when we know more. Undecided/undetermined sounds like a great idea but it will open the door for a lot more misreadings (as it is, we get enough submissions from people who think that the non-genre flag allows pretty much anything). So we keep it simple and just clean whatever needs cleaning. No worries about the rest and thanks for the understanding! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:07, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:yes i can see the genre/non-genre issue is a tricky one. oh can you tell the gaffer that the zx81 keyboard is to blame for dodgy language skills not autocorrect. caps lock started playing up in 1987 and apostrophe is hit and hope at the best of times. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:43, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Impressions of Africa ==<br />
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About [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5816003 this one]: If I approve it with the 0000-00-00 date, I will also have to add a 2011 book - because we do know that there is at least one there and 0000 titles are never fun. And Dalkey is a bit peculiar with their dating so your book is indistinguishable from the 2011 one - which makes it a bit of a problem for the DB. So how about I approve that one, change its date to 2011-00-00 with a source in Amazon.com and Amazon UK (different dates in both Amazons so using only the year) and [https://search.worldcat.org/title/668193861 Worldcat] and leave your note that the book itself does not have a date. If it turns out that a real first edition has a date, we untangle these later. Any concerns with this approach? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:13, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:its a while back but I think the plan was to have the title date as 2011 which is the date of the translation but i couldnt see how to do that seperately from the publication until its approved. also I never know what to enter for these print on demand books. do you put 0000-00-00 for the pub date or when it first becomes available ie 2011 for this one? Either way im happy with whatever you think is the right way to do it. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:37, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Unless we know that the 2011 book was not POD, we simply use the first known date and add a note that it is a POD and unknown printing. Otherwise we need to date half the DB as 0000 :) Otherwise we add two records - one for the POD and one for the non-POD (Tor.com used to do that a lot on their novellas for example), with the POD one being 0000 and the other one carrying the actual date. I will approve it and adjust the date and the note. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:51, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: And done. One more note - the translator can be added to the publication note but is always needed in the title note - I copied it there. That way we do not need to open each book separately to figure out which is which. I will let you make the parent here - let me know if you need assistance. Meanwhile the book is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?994891 here]. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:56, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::sorry Annie I need assistance re "make the parent", not sure what I need to do ie make what the parent of what?<br />
::::: Go to the title record [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3283169 here] and look at the left menu. Click on "Make This Title a Variant". Scroll to Option 2. Fill in the French title (Impressions d'Afrique), the French date (1910-00-00), change the language to French and I would also copy the note on the publication in the Notes field ("Originally published as Impressions d'Afrique by Alphonse Lemerre, Paris, in 1910"). Then submit. When approved, the French text will show up in the author list. We cannot use Alphonse Lemerre for the parent (if I understand your note correctly?) because all parents carry the canonical name. However, if you want to find the French book in BNF for example and add it, it will go under Alphonse Lemerre and then we will pseudonym and variant. Let me know if you would like to try or if you want me to. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:06, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::got it. sorry that alphonse lemerre was the original publisher which is stated in the book, Ill change that so its not misleading. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:17, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Ah, that makes sense. So ignore the part about the author above (well, remember it for when you get an author with a pseudonym or where their name is different across languages). :) If the title was already here, we would have used Option 1 with its ID number. As it does not, you basically are creating it with Option 2 - then if you want to add the original edition from somewhere (BNF for example), you can do addPub. The other way, if you were adding the French book, would be to add both books and then connect the two titles. Technically, both ways work and require the same number of submissions and waiting times. Let me know if I can assist further and thanks for adding it again. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:41, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Storm of Swords: One: Steel and Snow ==<br />
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Greetings, Are you planning on adding the titles mentioned in this note? 'Unnumbered pages before the start of the novel includes "A Note on Chronology" by the author and four maps signed by "R.G."' If not, there is no need for [12]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:yes mate i'll add those bits and bobs. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 15:50, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Souvenir Playboy Book ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?959619; A few points about this. The blue-covered copy on this page, https://archive.org/search?query=playboy-book+suspense&sort=-addeddate, is the Souvenir edition and it has 405 pages, not 406, as does the original 1966 HC Playboy Press edition of which there are 2 copies on that page. Cover you added is actually the 1968 Playboy PB, seen on that page, which has a US price on it; this seems to be the right cover, https://www.biblio.com/book/playboy-book-crime-suspense/d/619855434, which is the same as the US HC judging from a photo on this page, https://reachareader.com/products/humor-and-satire-playboy-press. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:49, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:dunno where the blue marbled boards come from, my copy has black boards with the playboy indetation at the bottom right the same as the third one. Youre right about the cover though - go ahead and change it [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:23, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Nonborn King ==<br />
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Gaz, I approved [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5879478 this submission] with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?931670 this result]. You don't put brackets around the content page numbers. From the help section under [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Regular_Titles Regular Titles]<br />
* Pages without a printed page number - For contents starting on pages which do not have a printed page number, the following rules apply.<br />
:* Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages - Quite often in book publications and occasionally in magazines, the publisher/designer chooses not to print a number on the page on which a story, artwork, or essay begins. If the page is not numbered, and is within a range of numbered pages (i.e. the pages which follow the first numbered page within a publication), its page number can be derived from the nearest numbered page.<br />
The only time you use brackets around a content title page number is when it falls in a range of unnumbered pages <b>before page one</b>. Let me know when you submit a correction and I'll approve it. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:54, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::sorry john i just saw a couple of other pubs on that page that did it that way and went off that instead of having a proper read of the help page. Ill redo that one and remember for future jobs. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:52, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::: No apologies necessary. Whenever you see this problem, fix it or point it out. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:58, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: John i've been swotting up on the pages mullarkey and I think i redid that edit wrong again. Am i right in saying that the pages field should still have had the brackets ie 388+[5] with the page numbers of the extra content unbracketed? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:27, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::: Yes, if 389 is the highest numbered page. I missed your change when I approved the initial correction. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:33, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::::cheers mate i'll do it again. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Continent ==<br />
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Gaz, Best First Novel for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?579877 Continent]? I approved the submission because it is listed [https://www.costa.co.uk/docs/cba-past-winners.pdf here]. You need to add an explanation or someone is sure to delete the note. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:24, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:sorry John, what do i need to do, say the whitbread award later changed its name to the Costa?<br />
:: Explain why the award for 'Best First Novel' was awarded to a COLLECTION. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:45, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::: got it mate, i'll bung something in about the judges not knowing their arses from their elbows (just kidding!)<br />
:::: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:34, 21 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Claw of the Conciliator ==<br />
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Gaz, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885828 this submission]. You only need the "+[1]" if there is a title record for the "About the Author". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:33, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
: sorry John i was led up the garden path by the existing note, that "about the author" page is neither here nor there the pages field should be just 301. ive cancelled it and will redo it cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:58, 23 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Demons and Dreams: The Best Fantasy and Horror 1 ==<br />
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Re: the note to moderator [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5887673 here]. I recommend either of the following<br />
* A pub note "Published simultaneously with the hardcover".<br />
* Date change to 1989-04-13 and a pub note "Date from Amazon.co.uk 2024-02-25". (use the date you submit the edit) EDIT: or a different secondary source.<br />
[[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:23, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:hiya John ive looked it up on locus and it says apr89 so I'll bung that in the notes. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:01, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Best New Horror 3 ==<br />
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Gaz, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5889254 this edit] to your verified publication [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297519 Best New Horror 3]. We don't throw away data unless it contradicts the publication. While the publication doesn't state the month, at least one secondary source does. Redo the submission. leave the month and add a note stating that the month of publication is from Amazon.co.uk. Cheers, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:58, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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And [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5889280 this one]. Cite Locus if you prefer. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:34, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:No probs John i didn't know about that rule. theres probanly a few more in the queue so if you see them just chuck them in the bin and i'll redo them from there. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:33, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: I'll hold any others I see, cancel them as you resubmit. The applicable help is the 3rd bullet point under <b>General Publication Date Policy</b> [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Date here].<br />
::* "The base date optionally may be made more precise (e.g., supplying the month or day of publication) using information from a secondary source, if that source's date is otherwise consistent with publication's stated date. The source, and which details of the date were obtained from that source, must be recorded in the publication notes. See Secondary Sources of Dates.". [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:49, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::::i think theres something i'm not understanding here mate cos I only changed ones i was the only pv for, had no secondary verification and had nothing in the notes about the month. That being the case how can the existing date entry be valid? cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 12:59, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297519 Best New Horror 3] - resubmit [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5889254 this edit] without changing the month and adding "Month of publication from Locus1" to your proposed notes. <br />
*[https://www.locusmag.com/index/b254.htm#A3606 Here] is where Locus1 shows the October publishing date for the Robinson edition.<br />
Does this help? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:22, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:i wasnt denying that locus or anywhere else might have the date just that as it stood I thought that pub date was invalid because whoever entered it didn't prvide any verification. I already redid the edit yesterday and just left the date unchanged ie with the month intact and month not stated in the notes. I'll try and find any more in the pile and tweak them in the same way. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:40, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: Sorry, now I understand. I approved your new submission and tweaked the note. Now anyone who looks at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297519 this record] knows [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] verified everything except the month of publication. You will find many records where sources are not properly documented. Whenever you work on one, correct the fault. I'm not criticizing you. You're an active participant so I'm trying to make your edits as complete as possible. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:03, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::no probs mate the best way of learning stuff is thru criticism. I can read those help pages till the cows come home without it sticking but a ticking off from a mod can work wonders. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:21, 2 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Game of Thrones ==<br />
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Re [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?933856 A Game of Thrones]. <br />
# I added pipes to the maps to put them in their proper position, the softwire interprets 1 & [1] as the same value.<br />
# For content before page 1, you count the total number of pages starting from the beginning of the book. For example: If there are 6 pages before page 1, the pages field would be [6]+835+[19] and the maps would be [4] & [5].<br />
The pipes would not change. No need "to retire...". You have the content after the last numbered pages down pat. Now you will have the content before page 1 handled properly. Without a doubt, this is one of the most mishacled concepts in the database. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:18, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?935819 Same here]. If I come across more, I won't list them. Review subsequent approvals for the same problem. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:28, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::cheers John i'll sift thru the pending pile and try and catch any more and redo them. Ta for clarifying Re pt 2 i think that is something that could be cleared up in the help sections. The "counting additional content" only deals with stuff at the end of the book and it would be better if it had cases for the start as well. The "pages" section is a bit iffy as well where it says "There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded" which could (and was by me) interpreted to mean dont include them in the number of pages as well as the content. Have unloaded the webley cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:15, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Waste Lands (interior art) ==<br />
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A whole pub interior art title takes it name from the publication. On the surface [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5899829 this submission] is correct (variant's date is wrong). The problem is [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_Talk:Linguist Linguist] included the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?442418 publication title] which flowed to both the cover art and interior art titles. However, the publication still uses the canonical NOVEL title record which doesn't include the series! I would contact him and ask if you can correct the publication title, cover art and author's note titles. Then you can delete your variant submission and just merge.<br />
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Project: This is not the only publication which should be changed. Take a look at the canonical [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2163 NOVEL] title record. Notice there are are many pubs using 'The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands'. I suspect they will have cover art and/or other content titles which will need to be changed. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:54, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:ok mate i think ive got it, i'll give linguist a shout. i noticed that the int art entries are a right dogs breakfast - is it safe to assume that the int art is the same for all editions of the title? Cheers for suggesting that as a project (reloads the webley) - Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:49, 11 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: I approved your three submissions. You missed the cover art title, I changed it for you. You could have edited all four titles at once while editing the publication. Whenever a title record is only associated with one publication it can be edited from 'edit publication'. Merge as necessary and ping me. Let me know if you want to clean them all up, I have a couple suggestions. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:22, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::every days a school day on here. Right i've merged the essays and int arts. The bob warner cover art has the same name as another one but theyre different works as can be seen from the cover scans so they cant be merged. This begs the question which i mentioned earlier re the interior art - how do we know if it's the same set of drawings in two different editions? I'll have a go at cleaning them up so long as you dont mind facepalming your way thru the submissions. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:22, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::: Interior art is always the hardest. Subsequent printing can safely be merged. Different formats of the same edition can be merged. Checking with active verifiers can help. If you aren't reasonably sure, don't merge. Future/other editors may be able to shed some light.<br />
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# You don't need to contact all the active verifiers. These are "housekeeping" edits. Just put "Removed series from publication and title records" in the note to mod field. Now when the PV's get a change notification, they won't have to hunt to see what you actually changed. Submit all your edits, ping me and I'll approve. <br />
# Now submit your merges. Ping me and I'll approve.<br />
# Identify any records which need "Do Not Merge" warnings. I'll help.<br />
After we finish with this title, decide if you want to continue with the other titles in the series. Thanks for cleaning this up, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:47, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:Brill - not having to ask the pvs makes it a lot easier, most of them are sweeties like linguist but you get the odd mr grumpypants... When you say ping you do you mean just leave a message here or on your page or summat else? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:08, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: Here, I'm monitoring your talk page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:11, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::done "The waste Land" titles - none of the contents needed changing. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:49, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::: You missed the COVERART titles again. Changing the publication title doesn't flow to the publication type or cover art tittles. The only time they are connected is when creating a new publication. After they are created , you have to edit them separately. As I said above, if only one pub is associated you can change it in the edit pub screen, but you must scroll down and physically change it. Hope that makes sense. I went ahead and removed the series from the cover art titles. Go ahead and do step 2 and 3 above. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:06, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::: sorry mate I just forgot about the covers. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:31, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::ive just seen some of the reviews have the series in the name - should I just leave those alone? Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 08:41, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::::: From the help section [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Reviews Reviews]:<br />
::::::* "Title - The title of the work being reviewed. If the review uses a non-canonical title which is already recorded in the ISFDB as a variant of the canonical title for this work, simply enter the title used in the review. If the review uses a title which differs from any of the known titles for this book, but which still serves to unambiguously identify the book (e.g. if the review has a misprint, or abbreviates the name of the book), then enter a corrected title, but make a note in the notes field for the publication that the review title was spelled incorrectly, and give the form of the title actually used in the review"<br />
::::::Remove the series from the reviews as well. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:54, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:::::::got it. here's another one - when you've got a case like the bob warner covers ie 2 different covers with the same name should you add a (1) and a (2) to the names to distinguish them? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 09:01, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::: Nope, we only do that with "generic" titles. This situation is number 3 above. We disambiguate real titles with notes. Take a look at what I did with the Bob Warner [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/find_pub_dups.cgi?442418 COVERART titles]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:59, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::::::: its a little goldmine this thread i'm printing all this off for reference. Theres the last review to be signed off and then I think that's the lot for this book? the others in the series should be a piece of piss after this (nervous chuckle) cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:21, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Re: the reviews. Extracted from the above help "...but make a note in the notes field for the <b>publication</b>". Remember for future reference. You can let these stand as is. Well Done! [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:32, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::::::::::cheers mate i'm disgruntled I missed that, still its all grist to the mill Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:42, 13 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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(undented) John Ive just done all the books for the first in the series (plus the coverart for a couple that were only in that pub). I thought i'd submit them to you before cracking on with the int art , reviews merging etc.<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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=== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?49990 The Gunslinger] ===<br />
: I have approved your publication level submissions. Go ahead with the title corrections. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:42, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: John i thought i'd better have a chat about this before ploughing in. I'm trying to sort out Michael whelan's cover art for the gunslinger ie remove the series name. There's more than one which'll need the do not merge. that's ok but the earliest one - https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?381381 - has got a load of interior art variants with different names. do these need a name change as well. one of them with '88 in the name could be a variant of the other cover which was first seen on the 1988 editions and maybe should be moved to that title? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:04, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: Don't rename any INTERIORART variants of a COVERART title. They are individual works usually titled as in the publication. Whole publication INTERIORART titles should have the series removed. When the variant is linked to the wrong parent title move it. 'Use Make this title a variant' and substitute the correct title number in section 1. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:02, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::: John I thinks thats the gunslinger ones done. i left the interiorart that may be variant of the wrong coverart as there isn't any proof. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:48, 16 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::: Approved, Well done Gaz. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:07, 17 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::::::cheers mate [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 12:41, 17 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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=== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2162 The Drawing of the Three] ===<br />
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Easy one John, just 3 covers and a review to take the series out. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:16, 17 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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oops forgot about the actual book names, done them now [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:35, 17 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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: Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:35, 18 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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=== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2164 Wizard and Glass] ===<br />
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this one and the calla one done mate -Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 18:48, 18 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:11, 18 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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=== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33010 Wolves of the Calla] ===<br />
Approved. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:11, 18 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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=== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?151677 Song of Susannah] ===<br />
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just 6 more book names for the last 2 in the series - I think thats the lot mate [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 19:03, 19 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
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Gaz, I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5901398 this submission] because you are trying to add REVIEW titles for non-genre titles. Non-genre titles are entered as ESSAY type. I usually spell out the reason in the title, although it is not mandatory. Some examples:<br />
* Review of the non-genre novel "title" by author.<br />
* Review of the film "title" by director.<br />
I rejected [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5901404 this one]. Cancel the held submission and resubmit without adding the REVIEW tiles. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:34, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:ah that explains it. Ive cancelled the other one and ill redo it with just the page numbering. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:41, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::John should i change the titles the way you suggested? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:49, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: If you look at the edit histories, you'll see that submissions changing to REVIEW type were allowed and then corrected, name changes were allowed and reverted (also in other pubs in this title). Let's leave it. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 10:55, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Content title page numbers ==<br />
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I saw this note to mod in one of your submissions. "extra content on unnumbered p567, scifibones said i should correct any case where the page numbers of content are bracketed except when they're at the start of the book." Your edit was correct and I approved it. Your explanation was not correct. The only time you have a bracketed page number, for for a content title, is when it occurs in an unnumbered section <b>before page 1</b>. You might have a novel which begin on page 13 with a content title beginning 5 pages earlier. The content page number 8 would be unbracketed because it is part of the main series. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:43, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
: P.S. In the submission referred to above, I suggest this note to mod "no bracket is necessary since the page number is a continuation of the main sequence" [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:02, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:ok mate, thats another one to print off. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 13:58, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Lort of the Flies review ==<br />
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Hi. I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5918068 your submission] on hold because it's not clear to me what you want to achieve; do you mean to say that the review is wrongly attributed in your "Horror: 100 Best Books" publication, and should have been attributed to Joe Haldeman? If so, then you should change the review author into "Richard Christian Matheson (in error)" and variant that to Joe Haldeman (assuming Haldeman is the actual author?). And it should only be your publication record - unless you are 100% sure it pertains to all publications. <br><br />
Or conversely, do you imply that it is a typo in the DB, and that Haldeman is correctly attributed as reviewer in the publication(s)? Either way, are you sure that the other publications have the same issue as your copy? I recommend checking with Rtrace & Mavmaramis - both contributors are active, so you should not have any trouble getting their input. Regards, [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 12:51, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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: sorry for not being clearer about this. the db records are wrong and my edit is correcting it for the pub that i pv'd. The 53rd review (p117) is of "Lord of the Flies" and its written by joe haldeman not richard christian matheson. the 54th entry (p119) is of "I am legend" by Richard Matheson and that one is written by matheson jr. 2 of the publications have LOTF wrongly attributed and another 2 have the wrong LOTF and miss out the "i am legend " altogether. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: There may be differences between the different editions. Hence, I've posted a request on the PV's of the other books to check & comment here. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:29, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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::: Pointed to this discussion via my talk page so chiming in here. Can confirm 53red review (p.117) William Golding Lord of the Flies is by Joe Haldeman and 54th review (p.119) Richard Matheson I am Legend is by Richard Christian Matheson. Hope that helps. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] ([[User talk:Mavmaramis|talk]]) 15:08, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::::The Credits in the 1998 Carroll & Graf are as [[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] describes above for the limited Xanadu edition. I'm still confused as how the reviewers are credited in the Xanadu trade edition. If all copies have the reviewer of ''Lord of the Flies'' as Haldeman, then Gaz's edit is correct. If any of them credit the reviewer as Matheson, we're going to need variants. Also if any of them credit the reviewer of ''I Am Legend'' as "Richard Matheson, Jr." then we will need variants for that title. I too, hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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I have both of your submissions [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922237], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922265] on hold; could you confirm that the five title records you're adding are titled in the book exactly as you've submitted them [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922265 here]? ie each repeating "Appendix 1: Prefaces to Vathek"? If not, can you explain exactly how they are printed in the book? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 13:04, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:hiya mate yeah i wasn't sure how to do these (4 added 1 removed). In the book it has at the start of the section "Appendix I". underneath that it has "Prefaces to Vathek". underneath that it has "Henley's English translation, 1786" followed by the essay. after that it has "The French edition published at Lausanne, 1786" followed by that essay and the same format for the other two. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:14, 21 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: I was afraid you'd say that. Don't know myself, so let's keep them as you submitted them for now, and add your explanation to the notes. Result [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?361546 here]. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:13, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:::righto mate i'm happy. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:41, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Magazines yearly records ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
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When building a yearly record for a magazine, don't forget to change the date of the record to be just the year. I fixed it [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3274671 here] post approval. Thanks for moving these specific issues notes down into the publication notes where they belong! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:40, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:hiya annie i just realised i'd forgotten to do that when your message popped up. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:43, 22 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:: No worries. It takes awhile for the pure muscle memory to start working well :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:46, 22 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace&diff=682712User talk:Rtrace2024-03-25T23:35:57Z<p>Rtrace: /* Little Annie and Jack in London */</p>
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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Rtrace/Changes_to_Verified_Pubs&action=edit&section=1 HERE] and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)<br />
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See <br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive]] (2007-2009 [1])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive2]] (2009 [2])<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive3]] (2010)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive4]] (2011)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive5]] (2012)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive6]] (2013)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive7]] (2014)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive8]] (2015)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive9]] (2016)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive10]] (2017)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive11]] (2018)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive12]] (2019)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive13]] (2020)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive14]] (2021)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive15]] (2022)<br />
* [[User talk:Rtrace/Archive16]] (2023)<br />
for older discussions.<br />
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== Cover Image Licenses ==<br />
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When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985361 Starman Jones] audio reading ==<br />
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Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their [https://www.audible.com/pd/Starman-Jones-Audiobook/B002UZQYN0 current listing] and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Kioga Titles ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Amazing Stories, October 1960 ==<br />
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Regarding {{P|56651|Amazing Stories, October 1960}}: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::OK by me.--[[User:Swfritter|swfritter]] ([[User talk:Swfritter|talk]]) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7 ==<br />
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Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5838401 5838401].<br />
I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?67858 magazine series page] in the 2023 December slot.<br />
Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?<br />
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Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Pugno<br />
:Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is {{T|3180646|here}}. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title ({{T|3265222|here}} with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Rtrace<br />
::I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856081 #5856081]) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.<br />
::In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. {{A|Mario Cavalcanti}}. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856083 5856083] and #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856084 5856084] to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857813 5857813] - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! [[User:Pugno|Pugno]] ([[User talk:Pugno|talk]]) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa ==<br />
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I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? [[User:Hyju|Hyju]] ([[User talk:Hyju|talk]]) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, {{T|743875|La guerre des mondes}} is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Exhalation ==<br />
In Your pv pub [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?788223 CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention] there is an interiorart [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2763640 Exhalation (cover)] as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2780439 here], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2777439 here] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2553590 here]. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary ==<br />
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Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow<br />
<br>All of the publications: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?49137 The Universe Next Door] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29062 The Trick Top Hat] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29063 The Homing Pigeons] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?985980 Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy] have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?656785 glossary] and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin ==<br />
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You've PVed the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?934729 2023 Under My Skin] collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3160540 Relics], which seems like [https://csfdb.cn/works/34951 it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022]. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!<br />
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BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3107243 This] is Fungi Song according to [https://csfdb.cn/works/37152 CSFDB]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::: Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 a title record] for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3272563 this "stub" award entry], but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?<br />
::: Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.<br />
::::For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::: Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.<br />
::::: Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found [https://www.everand.com/read/653149574/Residual-Light a very weird 2023 English language pub] that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::::: Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.<br />
::::::: Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?297700 Stranger in a Strange Land] and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5865682 here]. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Girl in a Swing ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== SF Writer's Workshop ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== First Men in the Moon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of [[Rules and standards discussions#Linking to third party Web pages -- defining "legally posted"|this discussion]]. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
::::There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:::::It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction ==<br />
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Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5874311] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks, I'll make the changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)<br />
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== once more with footnotes ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Spock Storybook ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Deryni Magic ==<br />
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Hello, <br />
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As you are the PV of both works, can you look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740941 this submission] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5740946 this submission]. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Annie<br />
:In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take ''King Kelson's Bride'' out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group ''Deryni Magic'' with ''Codex Derynianus''. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] added the Deryni Magic series to {{T|102600|Codex Derynianus}}. The edit history for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:: Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::: I am looking at the Title History page for {{T|17013|Deryni Magic}} and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing ''something'' in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.<br />
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:::: Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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:::::Thanks. I've approved the two edits in question. I've counted 15 active verifiers of Deryni books, and I think maybe a community discussion is warranted before restructuring the rest of the series. I'm going out of town on Saturday, so I don't really want to start that discussion until I get back. I'd rather not try to participate in a discussion using a tablet. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 14 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Art of the Pulps ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5892306; Notes say copyright page date is September 2017 with actual date from Amazon but date entered here is September; was some more exact date supposed to be entered and wasn't? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:It was entered but was changed back to the date from the book. I'll remove the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:00, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== WFR #3 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/submitpub.cgi; Page count was added by other PV who often adds pages to the count that shouldn't be but since this is a magazine shouldn't all pages, including covers, be counted and count changed to 236? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:06, 15 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1986 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?56983<br />
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hiya Ron your the only pv still hewing at the coalface for this one. just to let you know that he contents are missing another int art by hank jankus for "picaper" on p104. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 21:29, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I see you've verified it as well. I'm about to go out of town for a bit, so please feel free to add the missing item. If you're not comfortable with that, I can take care of it when I get back. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::righto mate Ill have a pop at it. [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 22:03, 16 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / Without Sorcery ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?55088 Without Sorcery] and propose to 1) change Pages to xi+355. 2) change start page of Introduction to v. 3) change start page of Preface to viii. 4) add pub notes. 5) upload high res cover scan from my copy (existing image is a thumbnail). Is all this ok with you? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:30, 17 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:All those changes sound good. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Theodore Sturgeon / E Pluribus Unicorn ==<br />
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I am editing and PVing [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?268135 E Pluribus Unicorn] and will correct two of the titles in the Contents section:<br />
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"The Silken-Swift" should be "The Silken-Swift..." (existing variant)<br />
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"The Professor's Teddy-Bear" should be "The Professor's Teddy Bear" (existing variant)<br />
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The pub record currently shows the titles as they appear in the ToC. I will add a pub note about the ToC discrepancies. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:46, 18 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:As above, all these changes are fine. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook ==<br />
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I added the price and ASIN to this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 Mona Lisa Overdrive audiobook] record. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:40, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:I backed out the changes for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993892 this edition] and applied them to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?993893 this edition] where they belonged. Sorry. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:48, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Disclosures in Scarlet ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5895461; Pasted $6.00 sticker on flap in case you want to add a note about that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:17, 19 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:There is no evidence that that price sticker is from the publisher, so no need to add a note. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:46, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Are you sure? It's mentioned several times here, https://www.abebooks.com/book-search/title/disclosures-scarlet/author/jacobi-carl/first-edition/. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:00, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== The SFWA Handbook ==<br />
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Ron, I'll leave [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_review.cgi?5883345 this submission] for you. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?865674 This pub] was ignored when [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?879426 this one] was created. Don't know if you want to move your SV's or import and ask Michaelc to move his PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Catamount ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?233737; Archived link, +[1] to page count/[283] author's note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:46, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== A Praed Street Dossier ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5900107; There's no note about copies so you may want to enter it from the colophon at the end like you usually do for these AH/M&M books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:05, 24 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Vathek ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2892553<br />
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Ron ive just been reading the introduction and bibliography by Roger Lonsdale in the OUP edition (1983) where he talks about the 1787 french editions and he says that the theory that they were retranslated from the english back into french is wrong. He says "Professor Parreaux's careful investigation finally disposed of this theory in 1960. The 1787 Lausanne text undoubtedly represents Beckford's own French text, from a manuscript which he must have had with him, in a slightly earlier state than that translated by Henley" He says that the 1787 Paris edition is a revised version of the Lausanne one but this one does contain some of Henley's notes for the English translation, retranslated into french. The bibliography indicates the first translation from the english back into french was in 1819.<br />
:All that might not be the final word and im sure you've dug into deeper than me but i thought you ought to know with regard to the notes for the title. I can scan the relevent pages and send them to you if youre interested. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:18, 25 February 2024 (EST)<br />
::Hi Gaz<br />
::I haven't done any special research on this. I do see that [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vathek Wikipedia] sticks with the original composition in French. You could certainly add to the notes in the title record. However, I'd note it as an alternate theory and cite your sources. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 20:54, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
:::righto mate ill have a stab at it. Yeah Beckford wrote it in french and Henly was commisioned to do the english translation but he was cheesed off that beckford wouldnt let him publish and the rapscallion jumped the gun, published it without mentioning beckford and said it was translated from some old arab text. The dispute is about the french versions published shortly after the english one. I couldn't find anything in the wikipedia that says the first french versions were retranslated from henley's english version back into french which was what people originally believed and which lonsdale says has been refuted. Ill see if i can find any other source for the double translation theory. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 23:34, 27 February 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Grandon ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?21045; I just added edits with HathiTrust links to 333 and Werewolf of Ponkert, I checked online and all 6 books say The Grandon Company on the title page, I'm thinking of changing publisher's name to that, you PV 4 of them so if yours say the same let me know and then I'll make the change. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:They all say "The Grandon Company" and it would be fine to change the publisher's name. Just make sure you update the publisher instead of individually updating all the publication records. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 1 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::I can't do that; I'm not a mod. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Swear by Apollo ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291019; This is the book club edition (Random House / BCE) going by the page count but the record has trade price; your Reginald SV may be affected by that. There's a copy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1292726176/swear-by-apollo-by-shirley-barker-1958, that shows trade with price on front and cover artist on back + LCCN on copyright page; eBay has nothing but club editions except for 1 seller who shows LCCN on copyright page but didn't bother with photos of the flaps. LoC site says 306 pages, not 307. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Trade copy here, https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/006592863. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:34, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
::Well, the Reginald verification is from [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]], not me. I also see that you effectively converted the publication record of the trade edition to that of the book club edition with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5022497 this edit] in 2021 while not adjusting the publisher to indicate the book club. Both the Reginald number and the Worldcat number refer to the trade edition. I would guess the page count in the record was 306 before you changed it, which would match Worldcat. What I'd recommend is that you back out your edit and restore the data for the trade edition. That would be easier than creating a new record for the trade, fixing the publisher of the BCE, removing the external IDs and then getting two other editors to move their verifications to a new trade record. After you've restored the trade edition, then you could clone it to create the BCE. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're asking me about this record. I'm not in the edit history and have no verifications, aside from marking the ones that are not applicable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:17, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5908165; OK, so I went back and did it the way it was before and then improved it with lots of other info which the previous editors apparently didn't care to look up. As I've said before, the only reason I ask you is because you're around more often than some of the others (at least until recently when you're doing mostly your own audiobook edits) so when I see your name in a record I default to you. Mr. Hutchins hasn't really been actively editing for years and barely responds to anything, anyway, so no use asking them. Rudam is the one who approved my nearly 3-years-old previous edit and I believe he's the one who I asked to slow down on the approvals because I was finding things that needed fixing that they were not noticing because they were just running through dozens of approvals in the space of a few minutes just to get the queue down to size, I guess. They went off in a huff after that. So, you know, it's really difficult dealing with all the personalities here and figuring out who's around and who's mad at who and whatever so if I get a little confused sometimes I think it's understandable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 5 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Futuristic Tales, No.1 ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?995232<br />
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hiya ron sorry to bother you I just wanted to pick your brains about how to handle cases like this re the alternate names of the authors. Theres the 3 names which are all psuedonyms. The authors real name is not on the db - presumably if it was on the db then those 3 would be made alternate names of it. as the real parent name isnt listed then one of the others has been made the parent name (Stacker). Did you do that because it was the earliest one in the contents or was there some other reason? There's some more like that for later issues of this mag so i want to get on top of it before trying to sort them out myself. cheers from gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:35, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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Ron ive just noticed that you linked them by doing a variant title. Does using the alternate name route have the same outcome? [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I recall these edits from earlier today. I went ahead and adjusted things to get the records in order, as you have noticed. The first thing I did was to add "Abu Khattub" as the legal name for the three pseudonyms (or rather "Khattub, Abu" which is the proper format for the legal name. In order to get those three stories under the same bibliography, there are two sets of edits that have to be done. First the authors must be linked. We ordinarily select whichever name the author is best know as in the field as the canonical name. Since we had three names with one story using each pseudonym, there was no way to give any name preference for the canonical, so I just chose one, Garry Stacker. If we find more publications by this author, we may need to adjust which name is canonical. I should also note that because there are no publications with the "Abu Khattub" credit, we cannot us that one as a canonical name. So, choosing Stacker as canonical, I then made the other two names into pseudonyms by navigating to each author and using the "Make/Remove Alternate Name" tool. The other set of edits is to make the title records under the alternate names into variants of a parent title using the canonical name. Again, I went to each title record and used the "Make This Title a Variant" tool, selecting Option 2 with "Garry Stacker" as the author name to make the new parent title. I hope this answers your question, but let me know if you need me to expand on any steps in the process. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:11, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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::cheers mate, a bit more in it than i thought, i'm glad I asked else i would have only tried to do one or the other of those. Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:46, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== New York 2140 Audiobook ==<br />
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Hello, question about the ISBN from audiobook download {{P|994420|New York 2140}}; where did you source it from? It doesn't match the one listed on the Hachette site (9781549128141). Thanks! [[User:Albinoflea|Albinoflea]] ([[User talk:Albinoflea|talk]]) 22:10, 6 March 2024 (EST)<br />
:Hi Albinoflea<br />
:Sure, I got that from the linked Worldcat record and the same ISBN is used for the three eAudiobook records I can find in Worldcat. I did find a different ISBN, 9781478941224, listed in [https://www.audiofilemagazine.com/reviews/read/127281/new-york-2140-by-kim-stanley-robinson-read-by-suzanne-toren-robin-miles/ this review], however, searching that in Worldcat returns a record for the print book which doesn't actually list that ISBN. Worldcat does not have the ISBN from the Hachette site. I'll admit that I'm finding audiobook ISBNs a bit puzzling. Audible doesn't list them and they do not appear in the book, nor in the metadata that I can see when I import them in iTunes. Worldcat can list multiple ISBNs, though it doesn't in this instance. That review site will sometimes list library edition ISBNs in addition to trade, but again, not in this instance. For ''New York 2140'' I suppose that we could list them all in the current record and cite the source of each. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:44, 7 March 2024 (EST)<br />
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== Scream for Jeeves ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?487698; Starting number of first story is wrong, title of essay is wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:25, 12 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Dark Tower ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?63665<br />
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hiya ron i'm having a look at the int art for my book (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?167561) to see if the existing int art title can be added to the contents. The hodder hb has 12 named colour plates listed on an illustrations content page. just wanted to check if the american editions have the same pictures. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 14:27, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:Hi Gaz<br />
:I replaced the {{P|63665|trade edition}} above with the {{P|770401|Artist Signed Edition}}, which is why I marked the former verification as transient. You may try reaching out to [[User:Willem H.|Willem H.]] who has a permanent verification on that edition. I can tell you that the Artist Signed Edition also lists twelve color plates on the illustration contents page. There are also several monochrome spot illustrations and illustrations for section headings in addition to pictorial end-papers. Hope this is helpful for you. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:: sorry mate i didnt notice it was a transient, thanks for the info cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 20:07, 15 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023 ==<br />
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Please see [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847952 this edit] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5847960 this edit] which impact your verified {{P|984332|The Baum Bugle, Spring 2023}}. Let me know how I should respond to submitter on first one and whether I should accept the second one. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 10:10, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
:I think that both changes are essentially fine. I can convert the first essay to an interview, or you can work with the submitter on how that is accomplished if you would prefer. For the second edit, it was a little confusing as the title page has "Art and Additional Comments by Lorena Azpiri" which did not make it clear that she was also interviewed. I would recommend cloning the interview for the Spanish version. There is not a separate Spanish title listed, so maybe make the Spanish a variant of the English. Although, the interview itself is printed side by side with Spanish on the left, so I could go either way with which title should be canonical. Let me know if you'd like me to work on these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 11:27, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
::Since you have the pub, I will unhold these and let you work them. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Little Annie and Jack in London ==<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1969250<br />
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5922621<br />
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hiya Ron i didnt ask you about this first because your pv was transient. I can scan the pages and get them to you if that would help. cheers from Gaz [[User:Faustus|Faustus]] ([[User talk:Faustus|talk]]) 10:05, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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:I still have the book handy. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. Reading footnote 7, makes it clear that "Little Ella" is the name of the mirror reversed reproduction by Currier and Ives of "My First Sermon" which is the illustration appearing on page 171 (it is also identified as such in {{P|558606|this later edition}} of the Annotated Alice). The other Millais painting, "My Second Sermon" is described as the same girl sleeping, which does not fit either illustration. Therefore, the remaining illustration on page 172 has to be the one from ''Little Annie and Jack in London''. Let me know if you have a different interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the current title is correct. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:35, 25 March 2024 (EDT)<br />
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== Horror: 100 Best Books ==<br />
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Hi. There may be an error in the contents of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283627 publication] you've PV'd. Could you check & chime in [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Faustus#Lort_of_the_Flies_review here] with what you've got in your copy? Thanks! [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 14:26, 25 March 2024 (EDT)</div>Rtracehttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:MDDLGMWNKV2019.jpg&diff=682679File:MDDLGMWNKV2019.jpg2024-03-25T11:28:51Z<p>Rtrace: {{CID1
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|Edition=Macmillan Audio 2019 digital audio download<br />
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|Title=The Light Brigade
|Edition=Simon & Schuster Audio 2019 digital audio download
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
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|Title=The Light Brigade<br />
|Edition=Simon & Schuster Audio 2019 digital audio download<br />
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|Publisher=Simon & Schuster Audio<br />
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|Title=Gideon the Ninth<br />
|Edition=Recorded Books 2019 digital audio download<br />
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
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|Title=Emergency Skin<br />
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
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|Title=The Tales of Beedle the Bard<br />
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|Pub=THTLSFBDLT2020<br />
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|Title=The Picture of Dorian Gray
|Edition=Audible Frontiers 2017 digital audio download
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|Publisher=Audible Frontiers
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Picture of Dorian Gray<br />
|Edition=Audible Frontiers 2017 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THPCTRFDRC2017<br />
|Publisher=Audible Frontiers<br />
|Artist=Unknown<br />
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|Title=Elantris
|Edition=Recorded Books 2016 digital audio download
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=Elantris<br />
|Edition=Recorded Books 2016 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=LNTRSCDSMQ2016<br />
|Publisher=Recorded Books<br />
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Blind Assassin<br />
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|Publisher=Random House Audio<br />
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|Title=The Science of Sci-Fi: From Warp Speed to Interstellar Travel
|Edition=Audible Originals 2019 digital audio download
|Pub=THSCNCFSCF2019
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
{{CID1<br />
|Title=The Science of Sci-Fi: From Warp Speed to Interstellar Travel<br />
|Edition=Audible Originals 2019 digital audio download<br />
|Pub=THSCNCFSCF2019<br />
|Publisher=Audible Originals<br />
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|Title=The Hero of Ages
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
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|Title=The Hero of Ages<br />
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|Pub=THHRFGSDBC2007<br />
|Publisher=Macmillan Audio<br />
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